The Lie of the Hadith

[Profileid]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVCZ4FjYL0g

[al-Bosni]

All I will say is that Islam has been the same for 15 centuries. If you couldn't change it back then, what makes you think that you can change it now.

[TEUTORIGOS]

All I will say is that Islam has been the same for 15 centuries

You say that like it is a good thing rather than showing just how primitive and inferior it is since scientific knowledge has progressed significantly in that time, yet, Islam remains the same : a dumb as dogshit primitive barbaric religion for people with low IQs.

[crazyladybutterfly]

well it s quite suspicious how according to boukari aisha was a child while other hadiths indicate she was older

not saying that mohammad , if he ever existed, was a saint

[al-Bosni]

well it s quite suspicious how according to boukari aisha was a child while other hadiths indicate she was older

not saying that mohammad , if he ever existed, was a saint

Again with the lies. There is no hadith that says her age was not 6-7 at the time of marriage and 9-10 at the time of consummation.

[Arduti]

Only the Lord is responsible for who can see and who is blind.
Your hate-spreading is worthless because you can't make those who are already blind more blind, and you can't make those who can see blind.

The Council of Nicea decided which books would comprise the Christian Testament, omitting the Nazarene (Jewish) texts, preferring instead the Greek (non-Jewish) texts. This Council also decided that Trinitarian views would be the preferred belief of the Christian church and not Unitarian beliefs. This was in the 300s, long after Jesus had ascended. So the Christian church was formed, and manipulated, long after Jesus was gone.

And the belief system that was eventually manipulated into Christianity was much influenced by the already-existing pagan myths that were (at least somewhat) shared by the Roman, Greek, and Germanic/Norse/Slavic pagans -- and was DESIGNED to manipulate them into accepting the new organized religion known as Christianity. If you want me to elaborate on the pervasiveness of Odinic beliefs into the Roman and Greek Jesus narrative, I will.

[Ghazi]

from youtube comment


أولا :
اسمه محمد بن اسماعيل بن المغيره بن بردزبه البخاري ، وليس محمد الجعفي .
ثانيا :
كون ناس يمدحونه وناس يذمونه من أهل زمانه ليس طعنا حقيقيا فيه ولكتابه ، لان الناس لا يجتمعوا على رجل بعد رسول الله ، أما قول عمه عنه فمجرد قول مرسل ، لا يطعن في قدراته ولا في صدق كتابه ، أي لا علاقة بين الاثنين .
ثالثا :
قوله الساقط كيف سافر الى كل هذه الدول وأنهى كتابه في 16 سنه ، مردود عليه ، بأنه لو استغرق عدة شهور للسفر من دوله الى أخرى ، وعدة شهور للإقامه في كل دوله ، فانه لا يحتاج الى 16 سنه للانتهاء من كتابه بل أقل من ذلك بكثير ، أي أن 16 سنه أكثر مما يحتاجه .
رابعا :
قوله بأن المعجزات التي نسبت للنبي هي مثلها اللتي نسبت الى الانبياء السابقين ، فقد قلنا لكم بأن محمد عليه الصلاة والسلام قد أعطي مثل معجزات الأنبياء السابقين ، بس ما تتذكرون هذا الكلام لانكم فاضيين للطعن بس .
خامسا :
يقول ليش الله لم يحمي مكه مباشره بمعجزه كما فعل مع جيش أبرهة سوى مره واحده ؟ الجواب يا عزيزي هو لان الانبياء السابقين اخبروا اممهم بأن هذه العلامه على بعثة محمد فكان لا بد من أن تكون .
سادسا :
اختلاف القصه والروايات في مسلم والبخاري ليست طعنا في صدقهما ، بل دليل على إخلاصهما وأمانتهما ، وحرصهما على نقل الأمانه ،،، لان اختلاف الروايات بسبب اختلاف الراوي اللذي روى القصه ، وكلها قصص صحيحه ، ولكن الاختلاف لا يكون في أصل القصه بل فيما رآه الراوي وقصه ، فتكون القصه بحسب رؤية الراوي وقصه .
،،، أسلوب الهجوم من غير إنصاف والطعن من غير فهم أسلوب ساذج وركيك وفاشل ، لن يفيدك كثيرا إلا فيمن اتبعوك

[crazyladybutterfly]

Again with the lies. There is no hadith that says her age was not 6-7 at the time of marriage and 9-10 at the time of consummation.

no there is none which specify her age but there are many which indicate how old were her relatives/aquitances , the years of difference between them and aisha , and what they experienced at a certain age in a certain year

[crazyladybutterfly]

al bosni dont be triggered at me :cool:

[al-Bosni]

no there is none which specify her age but there are many which indicate how old were her relatives/aquitances , the years of difference between them and aisha , and what they experienced at a certain age in a certain year
That modern crap has been debunked.

https://islamqa.info/en/122534

[al-Bosni]

al bosni dont be triggered at me :cool:
OK

[crazyladybutterfly]

That modern crap has been debunked.

https://islamqa.info/en/122534

was albani hadith written before or after boukari?

[crazyladybutterfly]

who is right ? considering how absurd the circumstances around boukaris are?



The marriage of Sayyida Aisha was consummated after the Hijrah. Hadith specialist, alrence points for other events. Despite the ‘six-nine’ hadith mentioned in the introduction, most eminent early Muslim historians either state explicitly or imply that Aisha -Nawawi, places it definitively in the second year, after the Battle of Badr.[7] This provides a good example of how memorable events, in this case, the Battle of Badr, were used as refewas born prior to prophecy, which commenced thirteen years before the Hijrah. Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalláni states in al-Isábah, citing al-Wáqidi, on the authority of al-`Abbás (uncle of the Prophet ), that “Fatima was born while the Ka`ba was being built… and the Prophet was thirty-five years of age… and she [Fatima] was about five years older than Aisha.”[8] We can assume that this statement of al-`Abbas is reliable as he remembers the birth of his nephew’s daughter taking place while the Ka’ba was being rebuilt. This was an event of major spiritual significance for Quraysh, and thus firmly etched in their memories. For example, most people can tell you what they were doing the day President Kennedy was assassinated (if they are old enough), the first man walked on the moon or, to take a more recent event, the day the September 11th attacks in New York took place. This report indicates that Aisha was born approximately when the Prophet was forty, ie at the commencement of prophecy. Therefore, she would have been at least fifteen when the marriage was consummated in the second year after Hijra. Early Islam’s most renowned historian, al-Tabari, states: “In the Age of Ignorance [pre-Islamic period], Abu Bakr married Qutaila daughter of `Abd al-`Uzza…and she bore for him `Abdullah and Asmaa…he also married, in the Age of Ignorance, Umm Ruman daughter of `Amir…she bore for him `Abd al-Rahman and `Aisha. All four of these children were born in the pre-Islamic period.”[9] This statement of al-Tabari, a scholar renowned for his accuracy and critical methodology[10], clearly asserts that Aisha was born before the beginning of prophecy. However, we know that al-Tabari is aware of the ‘six-nine’ hadith as he quotes it in the same book.[11] This apparent contradiction can be understood when the methodology of the early hadith scholars is taken into account. Early works, like al-Tabari’s, were careful to differentiate between transmitted reports from earlier authorities and the compiler’s own opinion. For example, in his famous tafsir work, Tabari’s format is to cite the opinions of earlier scholars (with the corresponding chain of narrators) before giving his own opinion on the quranic verse in question. Often he will agree with one of the transmitted reports and give his reasoning as to why he believes it is stronger than other opinions.

http://hameem.org/index.php/multimedia/articles/89-articles/149-proof-that-aisha-was-over-15-years-old-when-she-married-the-prophet-peace-be-upon-him

[al-Bosni]

was albani hadith written before or after boukari?
Useless question.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Useless question.

how is it useless? some ruler might have asked some writer to invent that aisha was 9 years old so that he could abuse a little girl exploiting the religion , even at that time child abuse was looked down

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Again with the lies. There is no hadith that says her age was not 6-7 at the time of marriage and 9-10 at the time of consummation.

I would give you credit for acknowledging Muhammad fucked a child except that you don't think it was immoral.

"Stop slandering our God with accusations that he was not a pedophile."

[crazyladybutterfly]

I would give you credit for acknowledging Muhammad fucked a child except that you don't think it was immoral.

"Stop slandering our God with accusations that he was not a pedophile."

but we can never know if he did that
it s weird how his other wives/slaves were adults and adolescents then he picked up a child

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Only the Lord is responsible for who can see and who is blind.
Your hate-spreading is worthless because you can't make those who are already blind more blind, and you can't make those who can see blind.

The Council of Nicea decided which books would comprise the Christian Testament, omitting the Nazarene (Jewish) texts, preferring instead the Greek (non-Jewish) texts. This Council also decided that Trinitarian views would be the preferred belief of the Christian church and not Unitarian beliefs. This was in the 300s, long after Jesus had ascended. So the Christian church was formed, and manipulated, long after Jesus was gone.

And the belief system that was eventually manipulated into Christianity was much influenced by the already-existing pagan myths that were (at least somewhat) shared by the Roman, Greek, and Germanic/Norse/Slavic pagans -- and was DESIGNED to manipulate them into accepting the new organized religion known as Christianity. If you want me to elaborate on the pervasiveness of Odinic beliefs into the Roman and Greek Jesus narrative, I will.

Judaism is also based on a blending of previously held pagan beliefs as well. A number of stories were taken from other groups in the Middle East (such as the flood and Noah's ark). Judaism was also heavily influenced by Egypt's brief spell with monotheism.

None of it is real, Arduti. You might as well worship my god, Crom. Crom is mighty. He slayed giants.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

but we can never know if he did that
it s weird how his other wives/slaves were adults and adolescents then he picked up a child

That's the thing about pedophiles: they can have normal tastes but also a taste that diverges from the norm. I assume his pedophilia was outside of the norm. For all I know there can be a strong tendency towards pedophilia among Arabs. It's not like pedophilia is taboo in Saudia Arabia today. So the question is whether Muhammad was a pedophile because of a mental glitch in his mentality and people were all like, "Dude, Muhammad is banging a 9 year old. She's a couple of years away from puberty. That's sick, brah." or sex before puberty wasn't frowned upon by the locals.

[crazyladybutterfly]

That's the thing about pedophiles: they can have normal tastes but also a taste that diverges from the norm. I assume his pedophilia was outside of the norm. For all I know there can be a strong tendency towards pedophilia among Arabs. It's not like pedophilia is taboo in Saudia Arabia today. So the question is whether Muhammad was a pedophile because of a mental glitch in his mentality and people were all like, "Dude, Muhammad is banging a 9 year old. She's a couple of years away from puberty. That's sick, brah." or sex before puberty wasn't frowned upon by the locals.

but he never had a relationship with other children??? someone attracted to female children would have taken more than 1 girl at his place

how do you know if pedophilia is accepted by saudis? most child brides are not children but adolescents

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

but he never had a relationship with other children??? someone attracted to female children would have taken more than 1 girl at his place

how do you know if pedophilia is accepted by saudis? most child brides are not children but adolescents
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/51376/saudi-pedophile-chronicles-jamie-glazov

It's only natural that if like al-Bosnia (a fan boy for Wahhabism) sees nothing wrong with having sex with a child and Wahhabism is the interpretation of the Koran that is accepted, then the pedophiles will come out of the wood work and where there is a high demand there will be someone to meet that demand.

[crazyladybutterfly]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/51376/saudi-pedophile-chronicles-jamie-glazov

It's only natural that if like al-Bosnia (a fan boy for Wahhabism) sees nothing wrong with having sex with a child and Wahhabism is the interpretation of the Koran that is accepted, then the pedophiles will come out of the wood work and where there is a high demand there will be someone to meet that demand.

HOW IS WAHHABISM the only accepted islamic interpretation? by isis maybe .

[Shelby]

Lol might as well say the same thing about al albani and other scholars

[Fractal]

You say that like it is a good thing rather than showing just how primitive and inferior it is since scientific knowledge has progressed significantly in that time, yet, Islam remains the same : a dumb as dogshit primitive barbaric religion for people with low IQs.

Agree about Islam and Muslims, but Christians are dumb low IQ people too. As I write this millions of Christians from Mexico, Central America, and Africa are invading the state of California.

Christianity, Islam, Judaism = three sides of the same coin

[crazyladybutterfly]

Lol might as well say the same thing about al albani and other scholars


yes , mohammad probably never existed

[Fractal]

yes , mohammad probably never existed

I don't think he did, but I also believe Jesus never existed either.

[crazyladybutterfly]

I don't think he did, but I also believe Jesus never existed either.

probably like many other prophets

[Shelby]

yes , mohammad probably never existed

People who are non believers even believe in him there is no denying he lived

[crazyladybutterfly]

People who are non believers even believe in him there is no denying he lived

I WANT THE HISTORICAL PROOF

[Shelby]

I WANT THE HISTORICAL PROOF

https://www.quora.com/Was-Muhammad-a-real-historical-figure-What-is-the-evidence-for-his-existence-What-is-the-most-verifiable-indisputable-archaeological-evidence-for-his-existence

[TEUTORIGOS]

Judaism is also based on a blending of previously held pagan beliefs as well. A number of stories were taken from other groups in the Middle East (such as the flood and Noah's ark). Judaism was also heavily influenced by Egypt's brief spell with monotheism.

None of it is real, Arduti. You might as well worship my god, Crom. Crom is mighty. He slayed giants.

Exactly, religion is all man made whether there is a God or not is a totally seperate question and if he does exist he would have to be more of a non-interventionist Deist type God. Religion is low IQ bullshit.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Exactly, religion is all man made whether there is a God or not is a totally seperate question and if he does exist he would have to be more of a non-interventionist Deist type God. Religion is low IQ bullshit.

Also, I dunno why monotheism is seen as an historical advancement over polytheism. There maybe a committee of Gods rather than just one God, many distinguished civilizations have believed as much. And you can’t say there are aspects of the natural world—I’m thinking of pandas here—that seem more likely to have resulted from grudging bureaucratic compromise than from the mind of an all-knowing deity with total creative control.

[Profileid]

Did anyone actually watch the video?

[al-Bosni]

Did anyone actually watch the video?
Yea, just some Quranist crap. He thinks without hadiths there would be no slavery, no jihad, no child marriage. But all of this is also in the Quran, we don't need hadiths for that. A dumb video by an ignorant man to say the least.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Yea, just some Quranist crap. He thinks without hadiths there would be no slavery, no jihad, no child marriage. But all of this is also in the Quran, we don't need hadiths for that. A dumb video by an ignorant man to say the least.

doesnt the quran say that you should treat nicely your wife? then how is child rape allowed? at least child rape of your wife , slave is another thing ...

[Profileid]

Yea, just some Quranist crap. He thinks without hadiths there would be no slavery, no jihad, no child marriage. But all of this is also in the Quran, we don't need hadiths for that. A dumb video by an ignorant man to say the least.

How did Bukhari manage to memorize over 500x the amount of info as an autistic savant in the modern age?
Makes me think.

[Profileid]

doesnt the quran say that you should treat nicely your wife? then how is child rape allowed? at least child rape of your wife , slave is another thing ...

STOP TALKING ABOUT CHILD RAPE

[crazyladybutterfly]

STOP TALKING ABOUT CHILD RAPE

but it s the WORST thing accepted by extremists

[Profileid]

but it s the WORST thing accepted by extremists

That's not what this thread is about. We're talking about the hadiths and the things the man discusses in the video. You need to take this to a relevant thread.

[crazyladybutterfly]

That's not what this thread is about. We're talking about the hadiths and the things the man discusses in the video. You need to take this to a relevant thread.

it started with me talking about aisha age question as some other hadiths indicate that she was much older than 9

of course my intent was to butthurt al bosni , but i still got a point

the boukari hadiths about aisha contradict other hadiths which one to trust?

[al-Bosni]

How did Bukhari manage to memorize over 500x the amount of info as an autistic savant in the modern age?
Makes me think.
That's a sign from Allah. For you disbelievers. He had a good memory.

[Profileid]

it started with me talking about aisha age question as some other hadiths indicate that she was much older than 9

of course my intent was to butthurt al bosni , but i still got a point

the boukari hadiths about aisha contradict other hadiths which one to trust?

Either discuss the video or post elsewhere.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Either discuss the video or post elsewhere.

but the video is about how unreliable the boukari are

[crazyladybutterfly]

That's a sign from Allah. For you disbelievers. He had a good memory.

anything to believe aisha was a child , right?

[Profileid]

but the video is about how unreliable the boukari are

You weren't discussing that,you were carrying on about your fixation with child rape as usual.
This is exactly why I don't post about Islam bc you do it to EVERY SINGLE THREAD and we can never have any decent discussion on the matter.

[al-Bosni]

anything to believe aisha was a child , right?

You are obsessed with young kitty sex. What's wrong with you. Just stop it and get a new life.

[Profileid]

https://youtu.be/qVCZ4FjYL0g?t=912
Why did the slave say "may Allah save me from you"?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Muhamadas forté of warlord-ism.

PART 1

And Ibn Qudāmah (ra) said, “As for killing the women and children of Dār Al-Harb, then there is no need for compensation for killing them; and this is because they do not have Faith [Īmān] or covenant [Amān]. And the only reason it is forbidden to kill them is due to the benefit derived from them for the Muslims, by enslaving them and becoming the slaves of the Muslims. And also similar, is the killing of those whom the Da’wah has not yet reached- there is no need for compensating for killing them. And it is for this reason [i.e. because of them having neither Islām nor covenant], nothing is required from those who kill them 45. So they are similar to those whose killing is permissible [Mubāh].”

“Al-Mughni” (8/67).

Al-Hāfith Ibn Hajar (ra) said, quoting At-Tabarānī, “Abū Sa’īd narrated, “The Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم prohibited the killing of women and
children”- and he [At-Tabarānī] commented, “(Because) they belong to those who conquer (i.e. property of the Mujāhidīn).”

“As-Sārim Al-Maslūl” Pg. 131


And Ibn Taymiyyah also said, after mentioning the incident of Usāmah Ibn Zayd (ra) killing a man who professed the Shahādah, “It is established that they had killed Muslims, (those) whose killing is not permissible- but along with this, still the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم did not
kill them (in return), nor did he punish them, nor did he obligate them to pay the blood money, nor compensate for the sake of the killed one; and this is because the killer had a Ta’wīl [misinterpretation: thinking that it was permissible to kill on the basis of merely doubting the Islām of a person who has not externalized anything nullification of Islām]- and this is the opinion of the majority of the scholars, such as Ash-Shāfi’ī and Ahmad, and others. And there are also people who say, “Rather, they had indeed believed, but they did not emigrate”- (meaning) so they have Al-‘Ismah Al-Mu’thamah

Imām Ash-Shāfi’ī (ra) said, “And it is permissible to raid the kuffār during the night or day- and if their women and children are killed in the process, then there is no need to pay blood money, nor punishment, nor expiation (kaffārah).”

“Minhāj At-Tālibīn” (4/224).



Imām An-Nawawī (ra) said, “And if there is close combat [i.e. near their homes], and the kuffār use their women and children as (human) shields, it is permissible to strike them.”

“Qawā’id Al-Ahkām Fī Masālih Al-Anām” (1/82).

Shaykh Al-Islām Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) said. “And the scholars are united that, if the armies of the kuffār shield themselves using the Muslim prisoners who are with them, and danger is feared for the (rest of the) Muslims if the kuffār are not fought- then it is permissible to fight them, even if it leads to the killing of the Muslims who were being used as shields.” 56

Refer to “Majmū’ Al-Fatāwā” 28/537-546, 20/52

Ibn Rushd (ra) said, “And the jurists are all united on the permissibility of using catapults to strike the fortresses of the kuffār, regardless of whether or not their women and children are in there; due to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم attacking the People of At-Tā’if using a catapult.”

“Bidāyat Al-Mujtahid” (1/385-386).

Imām An-Nawawī (ra) said, “And it is permissible to besiege the kuffār in their fortresses, and to drown them in water [if they are on ships], and to attack them with fire and catapults, and raiding them at night while they are unaware.” Imām Ash-Sharbīnī (ra) said in his Sharh of the above quote from An-Nawawī (ra), “and to attack them with fire and catapults”- and this also includes demolishing their homes, and throwing snakes and scorpions upon them- even if there are women and children amongst them.”

Refer to “Mughnī Al-Muhtāj Sharh Al-Minhāj” (9/72).


 
Ibn Qudāmah Al-Maqdisī (ra) said, “If a woman stands in the ranks of the kuffār, or upon their fortress, and ridicules the Muslims, or reveals her naked self [as a distraction] - then it is permissible to strike her. As it is narrated on the authority of ‘Ikrimah (ra), “When the Messenger صلى
الله عليه وسلم besieged the People of At-Tā’if, a woman came up and
revealed her naked body. So the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم ordered,
“Strike her!” So a Muslim man struck her.” And this was not a mistake from him. And it is permissible to look at her private parts- in such a situation- since it is necessary to look at the target. And similarly, it is permissible to strike anyone who is (originally) protected from killing, such as a child or an old man and such – if she (or they) prepares arrows for the enemy, gives them water to drink, or encourages them to fight; because they will be considered as fighters.”

Refer to “Al-Mughnī” (10/504).

Al-Hāfith Ibn Kathīr (ra) said while explaining the above Verse, “And from this Verse, it is understood that whosoever insults the Prophet صلى
الله عليه وسلم , or curses the Dīn of Islām, then such a person is to be killed.”
74
And Ibn ‘Abbās (ra) narrated, “A blind man had a wife 75 who used to revile the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم . So the man prohibited her, but she did
not cease; he scolded her, but she continued. So during one night, she began reviling the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and insulting him. So the
husband took a dagger and put it in her stomach till he had killed her. And a child had come to her, and the blood splattered upon everything that was there. So when morning came, this [murder] was mentioned to the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم . So he gathered the people and announced,
“Allāh has notified (me) that a man has perpetrated this. I have a right upon him! Will he not stand up?”So the blind man stood up and walked between the people, trembling, till he sat in front of the Prophet صلى الله عليه
وسلم . He said, “O Messenger of Allāh- I am her husband, and she used
to curse you and revile you; and I forbid her, but she continued, I
restrained her, but she did not cease. So I took my dagger and put it in her stomach till I had killed her.” So the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم replied,

“Nay, all of you (should) testify that her blood was worthless.” 76
Shaykh Al-Islām Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) explained this incident, and said, “And this Hadīth is a text which proves the permissibility of killing her due to her revilement of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم ; and this also is an
evidence for killing a Thimmī.”




Shaykh Al-Islām Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) explained this incident, and said, “And this Hadīth is a text which proves the permissibility of killing her due to her revilement of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم ; and this also is an
evidence for killing a Thimmī.” 77
He also narrated, “When ‘Umayr Ibn ‘Adiyy Al-Khatamī (ra) heard the revilement of ‘Asmā Bint Marwān [Al-Yahūdiyyah], he said, “O Allāh! You have an oath from me! If you return the Messenger of Allāh back to Al-Madīnah, then I will indeed kill her!” And the Messenger صلى الله عليه
وسلم was at Badr at that time.
So when the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم returned, ‘Umayr went to her in the
middle of the night, and entered into her home while some of her children were sleeping around her- and one was being breast-fed. So he removed the infant who was being breast-fed with his hands, and placed a sword into her chest till it came out of her back. He then left, and prayed the Dawn Prayer with the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم . So after the
Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم finished, he looked at ‘Umayr and asked, “Did you
kill Bint Marwān?” So he answered, “Yes, may my father be sacrificed for you O Messenger of Allāh!” And ‘Umayr was afraid that he had transgressed against the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم by murdering her, so he
said, “Do I have to pay anything for killing her, O Messenger of Allāh?” So the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied, “Not even two goats would fight
over her!” As soon as ‘Umayr heard these words from the Messenger, he said, “So please tell this to those around you.”
So the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم said, “If any of you wish to look at a man
who helped Allāh and His Messenger, without being seen- Then look at ‘Umayr Ibn ‘Adiyy.” ‘Umar Ibn Al-Khattāb (ra) said, “Look at this blind man who obeyed Allāh in secrecy!” So the Messenger of Allāh صلى الله عليه
وسلم said, “Do not call him blind, indeed he is a person with sight!.”
So after ‘Umayr (ra) returned, he found her sons burying her; so when they saw him, they came to him and asked, “O ‘Umayr! Are you the one who killed her?”
So he replied by saying, “Yes! So plot against me, all of you, and give me no respite! 78 For I swear by Him in Whose Hand lays my life! If all of you were to say what she had said- then I would strike you all with my sword till either I had been killed, or till all of you were killed!”

Refer to “As-Sārim Al-Maslūl ‘Alā Shātim Ar-Rasūl” (95-98)





Anas Ibn Mālik (ra) narrated, “Some people of the tribe of 'Ukl and 'Uraynah arrived at Madīnah to meet the Prophet and embraced Islām and said, "O Prophet of Allāh! We are the owners of milch livestock (i.e. bedouins) and not farmers (i.e. countrymen)." They found the climate of Al-Madīnah unsuitable for them. So the Messenger ordered that they should be provided with some milch camels and a shepherd and ordered them to go out of Al-Madīnah and to drink the camels' milk
and urine (as medicine) So they set out and when they reached Al-Harrah, they apostatized after embracing Islām, and killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away (with) [i.e. stole] the camels. When this news reached the Prophet, he sent some people in pursuit of them. (So they were caught and brought back to the Prophet). The Prophet gave his orders in their concern. So their eyes were branded with pieces of iron and their hands and legs were cut off and they were left away in Al-Harrah till they died in that state of theirs.”
Refer to “Sahīh Al-Bukhārī” (2/546, # 1430) and “Sahīh Muslim” (3/1296, # 1671).

[al-Bosni]

^^^ Imam Nawawi, ibn Taymiyah, ash-Shafi, ibn kathir, etc. These are legends among Islamic scholars.

[al-Bosni]

https://youtu.be/qVCZ4FjYL0g?t=912
Why did the slave say "may Allah save me from you"?
The whole story is

"...She was the most beautiful amongst women, so when the women (of Medina) learnt of her beauty they came unto her. One of them said to her, ‘You are a queen, if you wish to be closer to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him, then say to him when he comes to you, ‘I seek refuge from you’, (this way) you will become adorable to him and he will be much inclined to you."

(Tabaqat al-Kubra 8/114)


Also, another narration quoted by Ibn Sa’d says everything:

“al-Jauniyya sought refuge from the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him, for she was told this word will make her adorable to the Prophet. No one other woman sought refuge from him. This was a deception to her because of her beauty. When those who made her to say this were mentioned to the Messenger of Allah he said, ‘They are like the women of Yusuf and their treachery is great.’”

(Tabaqat al-Kubra 8/114)

[Profileid]

The woman that turns him down is deceptive? hahahaahaha

[al-Bosni]

The woman that turns him down is deceptive? hahahaahaha
No one turned him down... A woman deceived her out of jealousy.

[Profileid]

No one turned him down... A woman deceived her out of jealousy.

she clearly did

[crazyladybutterfly]

The whole story is

"...She was the most beautiful amongst women, so when the women (of Medina) learnt of her beauty they came unto her. One of them said to her, ‘You are a queen, if you wish to be closer to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him, then say to him when he comes to you, ‘I seek refuge from you’, (this way) you will become adorable to him and he will be much inclined to you."

(Tabaqat al-Kubra 8/114)


Also, another narration quoted by Ibn Sa’d says everything:

“al-Jauniyya sought refuge from the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him, for she was told this word will make her adorable to the Prophet. No one other woman sought refuge from him. This was a deception to her because of her beauty. When those who made her to say this were mentioned to the Messenger of Allah he said, ‘They are like the women of Yusuf and their treachery is great.’”

(Tabaqat al-Kubra 8/114)

so if a QUEEN refuses to be the slave of the same man who made her powerless , destroyed her people, killed her husband etc
she must have been deceived? dude wtf

[al-Bosni]

she clearly did
Sure, you can believe that if you only want to believe in parts of the story and not the whole story. It seems that you are deceiving yourself by doing the former. He he, ha ha, ho ho.

[Dandelion]

How did Bukhari manage to memorize over 500x the amount of info as an autistic savant in the modern age?
Makes me think.

Perhaps he was an autistic savant.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

^^^ Imam Nawawi, ibn Taymiyah, ash-Shafi, ibn kathir, etc. These are legends among Islamic scholars.

Damn right skipper, they're the Rockstars of Islamic theology :lightbul:

[B01AB20]

Exactly, religion is all man made whether there is a God or not is a totally seperate question and if he does exist he would have to be more of a non-interventionist Deist type God. Religion is low IQ bullshit.

Indeed.

East asian religions like buddhism, confucianism or taoism are much more mature and spiritually profound that all that crap of almigthy gods with human emotions who seem more like marvel super-heroes than spiritual beigns.

[Profileid]

Sure, you can believe that if you only want to believe in parts of the story and not the whole story. It seems that you are deceiving yourself by doing the former. He he, ha ha, ho ho.

Yet youre the one who believes he memorized an impossible amount
this story directly states she turned him down

[al-Bosni]

Yet youre the one who believes he memorized an impossible amount
this story directly states she turned him down
Nothing is impossible by the will of Allah.

[al-Bosni]

so if a QUEEN refuses to be the slave of the same man who made her powerless , destroyed her people, killed her husband etc
she must have been deceived? dude wtf
This story is about marriage not slavery...

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

HOW IS WAHHABISM the only accepted islamic interpretation? by isis maybe .

I didn't say it was. I'm speaking of Saudia Arabia.

[crazyladybutterfly]

This story is about marriage not slavery...

it s the same given the circumstances

[al-Bosni]

this story directly states she turned him down
She was a Muslim before he even asked for her hand. Hence, she loved him more than she loves herself. When you are wrong just admit it or at least stay silent. It shows a lack of character and immaturity.

[al-Bosni]

I also think the guy in the video is a Shia. Either that or a Quranist.

[Ghazi]

I also think the guy in the video is a Shia. Either that or a Quranist.

he is an atheist, he have other videos where he support LGBT

[crazyladybutterfly]

She was a Muslim before he even asked for her hand. Hence, she loved him more than she loves herself. When you are wrong just admit it or at least stay silent. It shows a lack of character and immaturity.

this story makes no sense

[al-Bosni]

this story makes no sense
Rather, you hate the fact that she was one of his wives and is considered to be one of the mothers of believers.

[Profileid]

She was a Muslim before he even asked for her hand. Hence, she loved him more than she loves herself. When you are wrong just admit it or at least stay silent. It shows a lack of character and immaturity.

what are you talking about? She didn't want him and thought he was a cheap man

[al-Bosni]

what are you talking about? She didn't want him and thought he was a cheap man
That's his wife that you are slandering, who is also my mother and sister in Islam. The hadiths which I posted prove that you are a great liar. Now stop worshiping crosses and talking out your ass, you are making your own thread stink like the pork that you consume. :dancingpoop:

[Profileid]

That's his wife that you are slandering, who is also my mother and sister in Islam. The hadiths which I posted prove that you are a great liar. Now stop worshiping crosses and talking out your ass, you are making your own thread stink like the pork that you consume. :dancingpoop:

No.
Stop worshiping a cheap man and calling people liars just because you don't like what they say.

[al-Bosni]

No.
Stop worshiping a cheap man and calling people liars just because you don't like what they say.
Do you mean he was poor? Yes, it's true, he was poor at times, and at times he had wealth. He sometimes didn't even have any food to eat and he would tie a rock to his stomach to stop the pain. And guess what, the pagan tribes tried to bribe him, they offered him wealth, honor, dignity. They even said that they will make him their KING. But he rejected all of this. He decided to be a Prophet-slave instead of a Prophet-king.

Muslims don't worship money, and the majority of people in paradise will be the poor people.

[Profileid]

Do you mean he was poor? Yes, it's true, he was poor at times, and at times he had wealth. He sometimes didn't even have any food to eat and he would tie a rock to his stomach to stop the pain. And guess what, the pagan tribes tried to bribe him, they offered him wealth, honor, dignity. They even said that they will make him their KING. But he rejected all of this. He decided to be a Prophet-slave instead of a Prophet-king.

Muslims don't worship money, and the majority of people in paradise will be the poor people.

I don't think that's going to be stopping any pain.

Is that in the hadiths which were designed to glorify him to demi-god status whereas the Quran makes him out to be an ordinary guy?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Do you mean he was poor? Yes, it's true, he was poor at times, and at times he had wealth. He sometimes didn't even have any food to eat and he would tie a rock to his stomach to stop the pain. And guess what, the pagan tribes tried to bribe him, they offered him wealth, honor, dignity. They even said that they will make him their KING. But he rejected all of this. He decided to be a Prophet-slave instead of a Prophet-king.

Two things:

1) You're naive.

2) Tying a rock to your stomach doesn't stop hunger pangs.


Muslims don't worship money, and the majority of people in paradise will be the poor people.

Do you think heaven is a place where people hang out? How is paradise described? I'm much sure it's materialistic in how it was presented.

[al-Bosni]

I don't think that's going to be stopping any pain.

Is that in the hadiths which were designed to glorify him to demi-god status whereas the Quran makes him out to be an ordinary guy?
You are confusing Islam with Christianity. The Prophet Muhhamad :saw: is not a demigod nor God like Jesus is in Christianity. Nor does God have a wife and children.

The Prophet :saw: said in a hadith:

“Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians exaggerated in praising the son of Maryam, for I am but a slave, so say: the slave of Allah and His Messenger.”

(Sahih Bukhari)

[al-Bosni]

Two things:

1) You're naive.

2) Tying a rock to your stomach doesn't stop hunger pangs.



Do you think heaven is a place where people hang out? How is paradise described? I'm much sure it's materialistic in how it was presented.
Islam is not Christianity. I'm proud to say that Islam doesn't have God the father, God the son, the mother of God, God the holy ghost, and the whole God family. The religion is a joke. You aren't a Christian, why even associate yourself with this joke?

[Profileid]

You are confusing Islam with Christianity. The Prophet Muhhamad :saw: is not a demigod nor God like Jesus is in Christianity. Nor does God have a wife and children.

The Prophet :saw: said in a hadith:

“Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians exaggerated in praising the son of Maryam, for I am but a slave, so say: the slave of Allah and His Messenger.”

(Sahih Bukhari)

He's not yet there's ridiculous stories about him told by a man born in Uzbekistan which aren't in the Quran and look out of place. Tying a ROCK to his stomach to avoid hunger pains? I've never even heard anything remotely like that happening in real life.

And no. Muhammad is revered and venerated much like a catholic saint. It just doesn't count for some reason because...

[al-Bosni]

He's not yet there's ridiculous stories about him told by a man born in Uzbekistan which aren't in the Quran and look out of place. Tying a ROCK to his stomach to avoid hunger pains? I've never even heard anything remotely like that happening in real life.

And no. Muhammad is revered and venerated much like a catholic saint. It just doesn't count for some reason because...
Do you even know what hunger is? (fat joke for Etain). You eat with 7 stomachs instead of 1. (fat joke for Etain).

Anyways, I'll believe in tying rocks to stomachs to stop hunger pain, while you believe a woman gave birth to a powerless God. Deal? You can keep your religion and I'll keep mine.

[Profileid]

Do you even know what hunger is? (fat joke for Etain). You eat with 7 stomachs instead of 1. (fat joke for Etain).
ur a butthurt fag tbqh
You lost an argument once you have to insult someone personally.


Anyways, I'll believe in tying rocks to stomachs to stop hunger pain, while you believe a woman gave birth to a powerless God. Deal? You can keep your religion and I'll keep mine.

That's the thing tho. We're not discussing Christianity right now, we're discussing Islam. Also, it's very haughty for a human being to say what God can and cannot do.

Still waiting to hear how tying a fucking ROCK to your stomach does anything for pain.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Islam is not Christianity. I'm proud to say that Islam doesn't have God the father, God the son, the mother of God, God the holy ghost, and the whole God family. The religion is a joke.

Must we go over the Holy Trinity again? You have tried to punch holes in it by ironically limiting an omnipotent being. You still can't understand how you undermine your own concept of God when you argue against the Holy Trinity. This is the great hypocrisy of Islam: Allah is the all powerful God... but Allah's powers are limited (Allah can't take a shit if Allah decides it wants to take a shit or become human because of a purpose). Either God is all powerful or God isn't.


You aren't a Christian, why even associate yourself with this joke?

I'm not a Christian but that doesn't mean I should pretend someone's criticism of Christianity is correct when it isn't.

You didn't answer my question. How is paradise defined to Muslims? You guys hang out? Bang chicks? It is odd that martyrs get to bang so many virgins. It's very odd that paradise is basically the material world with no higher conscious.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Still waiting to hear how tying a fucking ROCK to your stomach does anything for pain.

Joke is on you, woman. I won't eat for a few days and then tie a rock to my stomach. Then we'll see who the fool is. We'll ALL see who is the real fool!

[Vyasa]

ur a butthurt fag tbqh
You lost an argument once you have to insult someone personally.



That's the thing tho. We're not discussing Christianity right now, we're discussing Islam. Also, it's very haughty for a human being to say what God can and cannot do.

Still waiting to hear how tying a fucking ROCK to your stomach does anything for pain.

maybe the idea is the rock will cause so much pain, you'll pass out/die and thus be relieved from pain (temporarily or permanently)

[War Chef]

Etain would never bother watching all 27 minutes of this fucking video if there was not some hot swarthy guy babbling about pointless shit

Etain likes the swarth

[al-Bosni]

ur a butthurt fag tbqh
You lost an argument once you have to insult someone personally.



That's the thing tho. We're not discussing Christianity right now, we're discussing Islam. Also, it's very haughty for a human being to say what God can and cannot do.

Still waiting to hear how tying a fucking ROCK to your stomach does anything for pain.
"A believer eats in one intestine (is satisfied with a little food) and a non-believer eats in seven intestines (eats much)."

(Sahih Bukhari)

And yes, God can not make himself powerless just like God can not make another God. Or else he would not be God. It's common sense.

[Vyasa]

Etain would never bother watching all 27 minutes of this fucking video if there was not some hot swarthy guy babbling about pointless shit

Etain likes the swarth

Legit. Etain is an unrepentant camel rider

[al-Bosni]

Etain would never bother watching all 27 minutes of this fucking video if there was not some hot swarthy guy babbling about pointless shit

Etain likes the swarth
I remember her making a thread about being attracted to Arabs.

[al-Bosni]

Must we go over the Holy Trinity again? You have tried to punch holes in it by ironically limiting an omnipotent being. You still can't understand how you undermine your own concept of God when you argue against the Holy Trinity. This is the great hypocrisy of Islam: Allah is the all powerful God... but Allah's powers are limited (Allah can't take a shit if Allah decides it wants to take a shit or become human because of a purpose). Either God is all powerful or God isn't.



I'm not a Christian but that doesn't mean I should pretend someone's criticism of Christianity is correct when it isn't.

You didn't answer my question. How is paradise defined to Muslims? You guys hang out? Bang chicks? It is odd that martyrs get to bang so many virgins. It's very odd that paradise is basically the material world with no higher conscious.
So God's powers are limited unless he has the power to make his powers limted? But then his powers would be limited, hence he would not be God. Have some common sense. And I'm not answering your question about paradise because you can only understand with your limited human understanding. Yes, there is virgins. And there is also seeing the face of God. There is more than just virgins.

[al-Bosni]

Etain lost argument after argument. She just hates being wrong. Become a Muslim and maybe you will lose some weight. Islam is anti-fat.

[Profileid]

Etain would never bother watching all 27 minutes of this fucking video if there was not some hot swarthy guy babbling about pointless shit

Etain likes the swarth

ABSOLUTELY.

Nothing I love more than a dark fellow with a nice lean,yet muscular build. Couple that w/ broad shoulders(which this guy doesn't have) and that is a 10/10 in my book.

It's not just sandnigs tho, I like southern euros too(except for Iberians bc they're dolicocephalic closeted faggots)

[Profileid]

Etain lost argument after argument. She just hates being wrong. Become a Muslim and maybe you will lose some weight. Islam is anti-fat.

How about you get an argument besides "hurr ur fat"?
You can eat shit buddy.

[al-Bosni]

How about you get an argument besides "hurr ur fat"?
You can eat shit buddy.
The Prophet :saw: said that disbelievers eat in 7 intestines, and believers eat in 1 intestine (in general). You are my guinea pig, I use you as proof that Islam is the truth.

[Profileid]

So God's powers are limited unless he has the power to make his powers limted? But then his powers would be limited, hence he would not be God. Have some common sense. And I'm not answering your question about paradise because you can only understand with your limited human understanding. Yes, there is virgins. And there is also seeing the face of God. There is more than just virgins.

So you're saying God CANNOT give Himself a mother or a son if He wants? How would that limit anything?

[Profileid]

The Prophet :saw: said that disbelievers eat with 7 intestines, and believers eat with 1 (in general). You are my guinea pig, I use you as proof that Islam is the truth.

The "Prophet" is objectively wrong. Humans have two intestines.

[Vyasa]

ABSOLUTELY.

Nothing I love more than a dark fellow with a nice lean,yet muscular build. Couple that w/ broad shoulders(which this guy doesn't have) and that is a 10/10 in my book.

It's not just sandnigs tho, I like southern euros too(except for Iberians bc they're dolicocephalic closeted faggots)

http://static.nonmidire.it/nonmidire/fotogallery/625X0/19761/garko-gabriel.jpg

[al-Bosni]

The "Prophet" is objectively wrong. Humans have two intestines.
Not you. You eat with 7.

[al-Bosni]

So you're saying God CANNOT give Himself a mother or a son if He wants? How would that limit anything?
So his mom came before him? God is the first and last, yet you say Mary came before God, therefore limiting God. Use your head, why do I have to answer these easy questions a 10 year old can answer.

[Profileid]

So his mom came before him? God is the first and last, yet you say Mary came before God, therefore limiting God. Use your head, why do I have to answer these easy questions a 10 year old can answer.

I never said his mother had to come before him. Tell me why you think God can't do certain things.
Salafi with a rotten brain

[al-Bosni]

I never said his mother had to come before him. Tell me why you think God can't do certain things.
Salafi with a rotten brain
It's contradictory. He also can't make a rock so heavy even he can't lift it. But you will say " oh, but you are limiting his power by saying he can't limit his power" So let's say he can do that, but he would not be God with limited power.

Christians can't use their brain.

[crazyladybutterfly]

So his mom came before him? God is the first and last, yet you say Mary came before God, therefore limiting God. Use your head, why do I have to answer these easy questions a 10 year old can answer.

and this only makes you more attracted to her

[crazyladybutterfly]

The Prophet :saw: said that disbelievers eat in 7 intestines, and believers eat in 1 intestine (in general). You are my guinea pig, I use you as proof that Islam is the truth.

lol give me the verse

[crazyladybutterfly]

"A believer eats in one intestine (is satisfied with a little food) and a non-believer eats in seven intestines (eats much)."

(Sahih Bukhari)

And yes, God can not make himself powerless just like God can not make another God. Or else he would not be God. It's common sense.

i assume it is not being serious but lol
i have seen so many fat muslims and many overweight isil fighters with sqeazy tits bigger than mine

remember that obese guy who decapitated people??

[crazyladybutterfly]

Do you even know what hunger is? (fat joke for Etain). You eat with 7 stomachs instead of 1. (fat joke for Etain).

Anyways, I'll believe in tying rocks to stomachs to stop hunger pain, while you believe a woman gave birth to a powerless God. Deal? You can keep your religion and I'll keep mine.

we have all seen your squeazy tits

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

And yes, God can not make himself powerless just like God can not make another God. Or else he would not be God. It's common sense.

When has God made himself powerless? When has God made another God? God becoming man doesn't mean God is powerless. I have no idea where you got the idea God created another God except unless once again you show an inability to understand the Holy Trinity because it involves higher level thinking that is not practiced in a religion that revolves around materialism, such as your own, and so you don't have the ability to think at a higher level.

Also, you didn't answer my question.

[Dick]

Who or what the fuck is Hadith?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

So God's powers are limited unless he has the power to make his powers limted? But then his powers would be limited, hence he would not be God.

This assumes God's power is limited wen he became human. This is incorrect. Jesus raised the dead, for example. He chose not to destroy Rome because God's intent wasn't to destroy Rome but to create a new covenant with man.


Have some common sense.

Like tying a rock to my stomach to stop hunger pangs or to believe some guy is a prophet and not an opportunist when he takes what he likes from Christianity, Judaism, and paganism and reveals that he not only didn't understand either but he would change his positions based on the moment and then claim it's cool because God said it was cool?


And I'm not answering your question about paradise because you can only understand with your limited human understanding.

That's a laugh. You're trying to turn my accusation on Islam on me in that I point out it's a simplistic materialist religion with no higher level thinking. It's only attempt at moving beyond materialism is when it gets to answering questions of what one should or should not do but not because of spiritual reasons but because of Muhammad's whims that become law or local customs that are not rejected. In other words the Koran is a crappy law book and memoir that revolves around earthly pursuits and its reflected in Islam's perception of paradise.

I already knew the answer and you know I knew the answer. You fear where the conversation would lead.



Yes, there is virgins. And there is also seeing the face of God. There is more than just virgins.

Such as? And how much sex goes on in paradise? Paradise sounds very sensual.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Etain lost argument after argument. She just hates being wrong. Become a Muslim and maybe you will lose some weight. Islam is anti-fat.

No, Etain won. That response screams bitterness.

I'll even go as far as to say some doubt has crept into you but you're hammering it down. Don't be a slave to irrationality. Think and be free.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G2S5ziDcO0

[Ghazi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXIBBCcJfRc

[al-Bosni]

No, Etain won. That response screams bitterness.

I'll even go as far as to say some doubt has crept into you but you're hammering it down. Don't be a slave to irrationality. Think and be free.

I think you are trying to be a white knight.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I think you are trying to be a white knight.

I think you're trying to avoid the question out of fear. You built your life around a false religion. You don't know what you'll do with yourself if that foundation cracks. It's okay, man. You'll survive. The only risk is you'll adopt some other nonsense to give your life an anchor.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXIBBCcJfRc

Yeah, I'm going to sit through over 2 hours of video. You probably picked the video because of the title alone and not because you sat through it for over two hours and liked the cut of his jib.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I just had a vision of paradise.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGqlaBc3yKM

Biotches be kray kray.

[Jehan]

"A believer eats in one intestine (is satisfied with a little food) and a non-believer eats in seven intestines (eats much)."

(Sahih Bukhari)


Trully the best justification I ever heard, for failing to feed corectly his own people and let them starve.