Pre-Slavic inhabitants of northern Balkans

[Coolguy1]

A lot of time here is spent on Greeks and Albanians, but what about the more northern Balkan countries? What do you think their autosomal makeup was? It most certainly was not Sicilian like. In my opinion, inhabitants of the ex-Yugoslav countries as well as Bulgaria were probably slightly eastern shifted north Italians.

[Kelmendasi]

I think that the pre-Slavic inhabitants were similar to Albanians genetically and were basically slight more NE shifted Tuscans like Albanians although future admix from Celts like the Scordisci would of given them more of a northern pull

[Coolguy1]

I think that the pre-Slavic inhabitants were similar to Albanians genetically and were basically slight more NE shifted Tuscans like Albanians although future admix from Celts like the Scordisci would of given them more of a northern pull

I think the areas around Dalmatia and Montenegro were Albanian like, whereas areas like Serbia, Bosnia, and Slovenia had to be more northern shifted considering their geographic position. In regards to Thracians, probably more Greek like.

[Kelmendasi]

I think the areas around Dalmatia and Montenegro were Albanian like, whereas areas like Serbia, Bosnia, and Slovenia had to be more northern shifted considering their geographic position. In regards to Thracians, probably more Greek like.
Yh I agree 100%, Those other regions you mentioned would of been more northern shifted also due to the great numbers of Celts that settled there and mix with the natives. Thracians probably slightly more SE shifted compared to Tuscans like Greeks whilst their Dacian cousins were probably more NE shifted

[Ülev]

I guess, they have the most right to be indigenous

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Dinosauria_montage_2.jpg

[Linebacker]

The Dacian tribes were on the Northern Balkans before migrating Slavic tribes drove them out.

[Arjana]

Yh I agree 100%, Those other regions you mentioned would of been more northern shifted also due to the great numbers of Celts that settled there and mix with the natives. Thracians probably slightly more SE shifted compared to Tuscans like Greeks whilst their Dacian cousins were probably more NE shifted

Illyrians didnt allow much celts to settle in.

Dardanians drove the celts out till Vojvodina region.

Most illyrians at least were albaian like geneticaly, while dacians whee more northern shifted.

[Kelmendasi]

Illyrians didnt allow much celts to settle in.

Dardanians drove the celts out till Vojvodina region.

Most illyrians at least were albaian like geneticaly, while dacians whee more northern shifted.
The Scordisci were a tribe of Celts who settled in great number afaik and became a tribe of mixed Illyrian and Celt blood.

[Lavrentis]

The Scordisci were a tribe of Celts who settled in great number afaik and became a tribe of mixed Illyrian and Celt blood.

Where did they settle?

[Kelmendasi]

Where did they settle?
Region around Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scordisci.

http://histoiremesure.revues.org/docannexe/image/880/img-1.jpg

[Lavrentis]

Region around Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scordisci.

http://histoiremesure.revues.org/docannexe/image/880/img-1.jpg

Are there Celtic markers in today's south Serbs, Albanians and Bulgarians? Because I don't think it's unlikely some genetic input was left. Some Celtic tribes had settled in today's Nis.

[Kelmendasi]

Are there Celtic markers in today's south Serbs, Albanians and Bulgarians? Because I don't think it's unlikely some genetic input was left. Some Celtic tribes had settled in today's Nis.
Some R1b-S28(Italo-Celtic) can be found in Albania, Greece, Montenegro and Croatia although I can't be 100% sure that only Celts brought that marker to the Balkans as it is found among Italians so they could of also spread it. Haplogroup I2a2b-L38 which is connected to La tene Celts and sometimes Germanic tribes has been found in Romania, Greece and Bulgaria

[Laberia]

Fanula Papazoglu, professor of ancient history at the University of Belgrade, who has written extensively on the Illyrians (see among others, Les origines et la destinee de l'Etat illyrien - Illyrii proprie dicti, in Historia, Wiesbaden, 14, 1965, Heft 2), has also devoted a long chapter to the Dardanians in her work The Central Balkan Tribes in Pre-Roman Times...(Engl. Transl. from the Serbo-Croatian, Amsterdam, Hakkert, 1978, 664 p.). In this latter work she indicates that

Not one of the peoples with whom we have to deal in this book has such a claim to the epithet "Balkan" as the Dardanians... because they appear as the most stable and the most conservative ethnic element in the area where everything was exposed to constant change, and also because they, with their roots in the distant prehomeric age, and living in the frontiers of the Illyrian and the Thracian worlds retained their individuality and, alone among the peoples of that region succeeded in maintaining themselves as an ethnic unity even when they were militarily and politically subjected by the Roman arms...and when at the end of the ancient world, the Balkans were involved in far-reaching ethnic perturbations, the Dardanians, of all the Central Balkan tribes, played the greatest part in the genesis of the new peoples who took the place of the old (p.131).

After pointing out that the Dardanians had founded Troy, that Dardanelles is a name derived from them, that Dardanians were also encountered in Italy, Prof. Papazoglu adds that when the Dardanians reappear in our sources as a historically documented people in the central part of the Balkans, they are related to the Illyrians. Illyrian elements have also been noted among the Dardanians in Asia Minor. This all increases the probability of the theory that the Illyrians belonged to the oldest Indo-European element in the Balkan Peninsula (see pp.131-134).