Why are Turks so obsessed with themselves and with stealing other people's history and culture?

[Pahli]

No offense to the Turks that have nothing to do with this, but I would like to understand this huge issue as it seems to be growing bigger and bigger :rolleyes:

[Linebacker]

Up to date picture of Syendi,a true Steppe rider.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_960x540/HT/p2/2017/03/04/Pictures/_e70b4f8e-00d7-11e7-a3af-7fa15638f741.jpg

[Teucer]

I like to give the benefit of the doubt, and pretext what I'm going to say that Turks are not the only people who suffer from this bias. Anyone who is blinded by some dogmatic sense of nationalism will choose to ignore their history in favour of ethno-centric drivel handed down by their families or governments.

Perhaps the Turks you are referring to in particular are just not well read in their own history, or perhaps they are willfully ignorant and choose not to learn because of their worldview, or even worse, they know it and argue against the truth because they are so dogmatic.

Admitting that your people, at one time, took the aspects of another culture and integrated it with their own is not an admission of weakness of your own culture. Should Greeks feel ashamed that their script is derived from Semitic? Should Italians feel insecure that they owed much to their Greek neighbours before the ascension of the Roman Empire? Should Germans feel ashamed that before contact with Rome, they were not 'civilised'? The answer is no.

In Turkey's case, there is a lot of cultural exchange or appropriation on their part. Religion, language to an extent, cuisine, etc. What else could anyone expect from a primarily nomadic society that conquered their way through lands that already had a long, entrenched history? Yes, Turkish culture, if looked at objectively, is an amalgamation of their own and their neighbours', but more so that of their neighbours. If the Turks remained nomadic and the cultural elements that that entailed and not adopt the aspects of the nations they conquered that had given them structure, they would have not been able to consolidate power the way that they did. They needed to assimilate, to a certain extent, to ensure their survival in new lands, let alone conquer. From what I have read, there weren't that many ethnic Turks that migrated anyway.

If one is being impartial, that shouldn't be hard to admit.

[jackrussell]

Nonsense ; Turks do no such a thing , history of Turks is glorious as it is .

The truth is if you leave a Bulgarian and Persian in a room with a Turk ; they will end up subordinate to Turk .

:)

It is a historical fact ; Turk subdued both of your peoples ; irony is both Kurd and Bulgar have a healthy mix of Turk in them .

:D

When you shiver and go back to your real selves ; World will become your oyster , once again , under the Leadership of Turk yet again .

History always repeats itself ; don't be a minion for his-story writers .

[Hudayar]

Up to date picture of Syendi,a true Steppe rider.



the butthurt rascal is here

[Hudayar]

also people from all ethnicities steal other people's cultures and identities. Some Europe,ans for example claim that Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Persians were all Europeans then the Arabs came and changed everything. Or what about Persians who claim that Seljuks, Safavids, anyone who ruled over Persia were actually Persian? What about Western Africans who love to claim that all important people were in fact Black or had black ancestry?

[Melki]

Up to date picture of Syendi,a true Steppe rider.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_960x540/HT/p2/2017/03/04/Pictures/_e70b4f8e-00d7-11e7-a3af-7fa15638f741.jpg

This is how I picture myself Linebacker the Cimmerian of the Black Sea befriending Siyendi the Tengrist Hyrkanian from the Karakum, somewhere in the Pontic steppe.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eWG-nHuuCRc

[Hudayar]

That music is very calming

[Proto-Shaman]

Up to date picture of Syendi,a true Steppe rider.

xxx-error

Shut up Turk.

[Böri]

Is it a crime to bring up historical facts?
F*ck you all you are all jaleous. For no reason. We just talk about the deed of various Turks. Including Turkic Bulgars, but the mongrel Slav (I dont know how much he can be considered Slav) is pissed. Then some are offended when we show that Oghuz Turks have even been as far as Badajoz in Portugal and history recorded them there in 1095. The OP hewal is constantly hurted, another story.

To summarise F*ck you all.

[Linebacker]

the butthurt rascal is here

;)

https://s25.postimg.org/83zr65m8v/l1gyxj_Eid_RCs_ZSp82_Xurcjsti_Bndgn_ym1_Nh0562_HPU .jpg

[Hudayar]

;)



the butthurt rascal unironically thinks he's related to anyone from the steppes lmao
here's a Turkmen, does he look like you or like a Turk?
http://www.kunstkamera.ru/kunst-catalogue/spf/GEwZFAcdI_h3jC41Lk1cSj9y75D5vaN1XQv46Yq_pRVLfItT_6 b8K5kSsqmVIi4ukuWQ6M15BldhHjd_Y7YvAvWd7Rm66Gv0rNxR GEsm25E1PboEPbPZ_3Dhtvp9Kr5x7WaKInpiDLYVdtGv-FQUAhunnQf2unyNHgURqccjp2A=.jpg?w=422&h=422&cl=0&ct=55&cw=1287&ch=1307
Now take away your low quality imageboard memes to your underage containment hole.

[Proto-Shaman]

http://www.kunstkamera.ru/kunst-catalogue/spf/GEwZFAcdI_h3jC41Lk1cSj9y75D5vaN1XQv46Yq_pRVLfItT_6 b8K5kSsqmVIi4ukuWQ6M15BldhHjd_Y7YvAvWd7Rm66Gv0rNxR GEsm25E1PboEPbPZ_3Dhtvp9Kr5x7WaKInpiDLYVdtGv-FQUAhunnQf2unyNHgURqccjp2A=.jpg?w=422&h=422&cl=0&ct=55&cw=1287&ch=1307
This is what Carleton Coon portrays as the Corded type, closely related to Sumerian. I love anthropology :D

[Pahli]

also people from all ethnicities steal other people's cultures and identities. Some Europe,ans for example claim that Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Persians were all Europeans then the Arabs came and changed everything. Or what about Persians who claim that Seljuks, Safavids, anyone who ruled over Persia were actually Persian? What about Western Africans who love to claim that all important people were in fact Black or had black ancestry?

Like I told you before, I don't mind Turks being proud of their history, but someone like Siyendi that keeps spamming autistic shit about other non-Turkic people claiming them as his own is completely delusional

[Linebacker]

the butthurt rascal unironically thinks he's related to anyone from the steppes lmao
here's a Turkmen, does he look like you or like a Turk?
http://www.kunstkamera.ru/kunst-catalogue/spf/GEwZFAcdI_h3jC41Lk1cSj9y75D5vaN1XQv46Yq_pRVLfItT_6 b8K5kSsqmVIi4ukuWQ6M15BldhHjd_Y7YvAvWd7Rm66Gv0rNxR GEsm25E1PboEPbPZ_3Dhtvp9Kr5x7WaKInpiDLYVdtGv-FQUAhunnQf2unyNHgURqccjp2A=.jpg?w=422&h=422&cl=0&ct=55&cw=1287&ch=1307
Now take away your low quality imageboard memes to your underage containment hole.

The Irony is,when you look at the skull structure,despite pigmentation,that man has a lot more close morphology to me than any PakiDurk unibrow memebr.

https://s25.postimg.org/c1n0vk927/324344.png

[Hudayar]

The Irony is,when you look at the skull structure,despite pigmentation,that man has a lot more close morphology to me than any PakiDurk unibrow memebr.



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

This really made me laugh, thank you making me laugh.
"skull structure"
because he's Caucasoid lmao. At least phenotypically if not racially. By that logic, let's not take "pigmentation" into consideration (lmao), he's close to anyone from Scandinavia.

[Proto-Shaman]

The Irony is,when you look at the skull structure,despite pigmentation,that man has a lot more close morphology to me than any PakiDurk unibrow memebr.

https://s25.postimg.org/c1n0vk927/324344.png

Yamna was actually dark pigmented compared to European standards :picard1:

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJSUYkkXSk&t=234s

The true face of the Turkish culture. Turkish singer Seden Gürel's romantic song was clearly stolen from a memorial song dedicated to the Adana Massacres of 1909.

[Dandelion]

I wish they took it to a more comical level, like worshipping a statue of Alexander the Great with Atatürk's face on.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

;)

https://s25.postimg.org/83zr65m8v/l1gyxj_Eid_RCs_ZSp82_Xurcjsti_Bndgn_ym1_Nh0562_HPU .jpg

Not willing to ruin the fun but that modern turk looks bulgarian. example below str8 from Bulgaria. :D
http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2260628/84642374.jpg

[Kamal900]

The same reason why Afrocentric African Americans claim that they were "Kangz n Shieet".

[Kamal900]

Not willing to ruin the fun but that modern turk looks bulgarian. example below str8 from Bulgaria. :D
http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2260628/84642374.jpg

That's the future of Bulgaria right there since the ethnic Bulgarians will become a minority in their own country in the future.

[jackrussell]

The dames of intrigue, formed their cunts in a league,
To take him in turns like good folks, sir,
The young misses' plan was to catch as catch can
And all were resolved on a stroke, sir,
The cards to invite flew by thousands each night,
With bribes to the old secretary,
And the famous Eclipse was not let for more leaps
Than the great Plenipotentiary.

When his name was announced, how the women all bounced,
And their blood hurried up to their faces,
He made them all itch from navel to breech,
And their bubbies burst out of their laces;
There was such damned work to be fucked by a Turk,
That nothing their passion could vary
All the nations fell sick for the Barbary prick
Of the great Plenipotentiary.


-----


Each sluice-cunted bawd who'd been well-screwed abroad
Till her premises gaped like a grave, sir,
Found luck was so thick, she could feel the Turk's prick,
Though all others were lost in her cave, sir;
The nymphs of the stage, did this ramrod engage,
Made him free of their gay seminary;
And the Italian Signors opened all their back-doors,
To the great Plenipotentiary.

Then of love's sweet reward, measured out by the yard,
The Turk was most blest of mankind, sir,
For his powerful dart went home to the art,
Whether stuck in before or behind, sir;
But no pencil can draw, this great pintled Bashaw,-
Then let each cunt-loving contemporary,
As cocks of the game, let's drink to the name
Of the great Plenipotentiary!


Bitches , bitches calm down :

https://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i-w600/keep-calm-bend-over-and-take-it-4.jpg

[zarzian]

Which ever culture was the last to come of the Steppe was always dominant over settled societies, not because of superiority but because the steppe induced a warlike society. The Yamna were the first to intervene on farmers, followed by the andronovos whi pushed out the preceding Yamnaya, then the Scythians followed, after the Scythians and sarmarians settled as the the Alans they were followed by the Huns, the the Iranic white Huns, then Turks and followed by the Mongols. But no settled society dominated the Steppe invaders the way that Sassanian Persians completely destroyed the steppe turks. It was said that for every one Sassanian knight, 10 turkish cavalrymen were massacred .

[Armenian Bishop]

This Thread is a condemnation of the Turkish narcissism, and the Turkish thievery of other people's history and culture; on the other hand, Turkish military might doesn't enter into the equation very well. If a stagecoach robber robs passengers of their possessions, that thief is still a thief, whether or not the stagecoach passengers are made to look ugly with fear, destitution, and suffering. The fact remains that the guy, good with the gun, did a bad thing, and benefitted from the pain of other people.

[Proto-Shaman]

Sassanian knight/ cavalrymen
= Turkic

[zarzian]

= Turkic

Do explain.

[Proto-Shaman]

Do explain.
because the etymology of Classical Persian suwār (سوار = horseman, rider) has a stupid etymology... honestly...

[Pahli]

because the etymology of Classical Persian suwār (سوار = horseman, rider) has a stupid etymology... honestly...

"Suwār" is even used in my dialect as a word for "ride/rider", but Persian words describing a horseman would usually contain the word 'Asp-' or 'Aspa-'

[Fedora]

Why do you generalise? It's just that the users in this forum generally have weird obsessions. I doubt the average Turk knows anything about Sarmatians or whatever extinct people.

But I heard people claiming Newroz being a turkic festival though, it's propagated by nationalist as the day the Turks got out of Ergenekon. Obviously bullshit since the word itself isn't even turkish.

[zarzian]

because the etymology of Classical Persian suwār (سوار = horseman, rider) has a stupid etymology... honestly...

Lol you make zero sense

[MagnusAurelius]

Nonsense ; Turks do no such a thing , history of Turks is glorious as it is .

The truth is if you leave a Bulgarian and Persian in a room with a Turk ; they will end up subordinate to Turk .

:)

It is a historical fact ; Turk subdued both of your peoples ; irony is both Kurd and Bulgar have a healthy mix of Turk in them .

:D

When you shiver and go back to your real selves ; World will become your oyster , once again , under the Leadership of Turk yet again .

History always repeats itself ; don't be a minion for his-story writers .

History of Turkey Summed up in a few lines.

1. Hellenic Greek Culture comes to influence the indigenous Neolithic like Caucasoids
2. Seljuk Invaders invade Turkey and mix with the inhabitants, Greeks were unable to defeat them due to keeping their Slavs on a leash with fake Slav invading Bulgars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars It is safe to say the Barbarian invaders ruined the Eastern Roman Empire, it was simply too much to deal with. The Slav scum Bulgars already had earlier kinship with Turkic people.

There is nothing glorious about Turkish history. It is only a humiliating history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad_-4-zi54A

[Fractal]

History of Turkey Summed up in a few lines.

1. Hellenic Greek Culture comes to influence the indigenous Neolithic like Caucasoids
2. Seljuk Invaders invade Turkey and mix with the inhabitants, Greeks were unable to defeat them due to keeping their Slavs on a leash with fake Slav invading Bulgars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars It is safe to say the Barbarian invaders ruined the Eastern Roman Empire, it was simply too much to deal with. The Slav scum Bulgars already had earlier kinship with Turkic people.

There is nothing glorious about Turkish history. It is only a humiliating history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad_-4-zi54A

I've been up close to Turks in real life. Although I don't really think they should move to the USA in any amount of numbers, I can say without reservation they would beat the living shit out of you, any other greaser here, etc

I know of one case where they cut the balls off of some Murica acting obnoxious while in their country, at a football game I believe.

[MagnusAurelius]

History of Turkey Summed up in a few lines.

1. Hellenic Greek Culture comes to influence the indigenous Neolithic like Caucasoids
2. Seljuk Invaders invade Turkey and mix with the inhabitants, Greeks were unable to defeat them due to keeping their Slavs on a leash with fake Slav invading Bulgars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars It is safe to say the Barbarian invaders ruined the Eastern Roman Empire, it was simply too much to deal with. The Slav scum Bulgars already had earlier kinship with Turkic people.

There is nothing glorious about Turkish history. It is only a humiliating history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad_-4-zi54A


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Bulgarian_wars There is nothing to brag about taking advantage of an Empire under constant attack. They had to destroy the pathetic Bulgars who originally had kinship with Turks and were severely weakened by this.

Turks brought no benefits to Western Civilization, the Ottoman Empire had several genocides, Turks only absorbed the culture of other people and was highly influenced by Islam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire#Architecture Everything here mentions other Cultures. Claiming poetry and literature is basic and boring.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_the_Ottoman_Empire They made some industrial achievements but most of that came from Britian. At least you can feel your Turk pride for that.

[Böri]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Bulgarian_wars There is nothing to brag about taking advantage of an Empire under constant attack. They had to destroy the pathetic Bulgars who originally had kinship with Turks and were severely weakened by this.


In 811 A.D. the Bulgars killed the Byzantine Emperor Nikephoros I in a pitched battle, after the latter sacked the Bulgar capital.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Nicephorus-I

Byzantium: An Illustrated History
By Sean McLachlan
p.85
https://i.hizliresim.com/PO5Vg9.jpg

[Jabuendia]

First of all, saying that Turks look like Pakis, therefore assimilated is both wrong and racist. Turkish people aren't bound by blood or the shape of their skull, we are bound to each other with our shared history, victory and defeat alike. And Turkish people doesn't look like Pakis, not that it's anything to be ashamed of but it just isn't true. Many Kurdish people migrated to Europe to become workers for the manpower lacking European countries after WW2 and created such a prototype. There are redheads, blondes, brunettes and every kind of Turkish people. For example I'm blonde with green eyes and Turkish.

Other than that i don't see any good arguments showing we are stealing other nations' culture, only haters with no good reason and people accusing in a not hateful ways but also not giving any specific examples. Please warn me if i missed any.

[meisje]

History of Turkey Summed up in a few lines.

1. Hellenic Greek Culture comes to influence the indigenous Neolithic like Caucasoids
2. Seljuk Invaders invade Turkey and mix with the inhabitants, Greeks were unable to defeat them due to keeping their Slavs on a leash with fake Slav invading Bulgars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars It is safe to say the Barbarian invaders ruined the Eastern Roman Empire, it was simply too much to deal with. The Slav scum Bulgars already had earlier kinship with Turkic people.

There is nothing glorious about Turkish history. It is only a humiliating history.

Turks were not banged by Germanics-Spaniards-Napoleon like Italians, It is not humiliating history compared to Italian one

Turkish history should be non-understandable for an Italian whose ancestors were repeatedly kicked off by Turks in Eastern Mediterranean,

Italians and Greeks really have Humiliating History against Turks

[Pahli]

First of all, saying that Turks look like Pakis, therefore assimilated is both wrong and racist. Turkish people aren't bound by blood or the shape of their skull, we are bound to each other with our shared history, victory and defeat alike. And Turkish people doesn't look like Pakis, not that it's anything to be ashamed of but it just isn't true. Many Kurdish people migrated to Europe to become workers for the manpower lacking European countries after WW2 and created such a prototype. There are redheads, blondes, brunettes and every kind of Turkish people. For example I'm blonde with green eyes and Turkish.

Other than that i don't see any good arguments showing we are stealing other nations' culture, only haters with no good reason and people accusing in a not hateful ways but also not giving any specific examples. Please warn me if i missed any.

I don't hate Turks and I acknowledge the diversity of Turks too; However if you start looking around and see what some of your "comrades" start posting its getting rather boring and repetitive. Users like; Itilvolga, Kipchak Hakan, Siyendi and Buusra are good examples of this.

Have a good day :)

[MagnusAurelius]

Turks were not banged by Germanics-Spaniards-Napoleon like Italians, It is not humiliating history compared to Italian one

Turkish history should be non-understandable for an Italian whose ancestors were repeatedly kicked off by Turks in Eastern Mediterranean,

Italians and Greeks really have Humiliating History against Turks

Not exactly.

http://archhades.blogspot.ca/2011/06/northern-italians-are-biologically.html

http://www.geocities.ws/racial_reality/padania/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_War_(535%E2%80%93554)

You can criticize the source but it is all cited information.

Don't think there is anything more humiliating than being invaded and penetrated by invading Islamized mixed race turkic people.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Oa3bBts6e3M/Ur6VH_81tpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/JGoPs1UmWyA/s1600/Lazaridis2014_EDF3_K6.png The only error on here I think is with South Asians due to the complexity of their population history.

http://racialreality.blogspot.ca/2013/12/global-admixture-analysis-at-k6.html

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2014/04/02/001552.DC3/001552-1.pdf The K6 analysis here yielded similar results.

[Hudayar]

Not exactly.

http://archhades.blogspot.ca/2011/06/northern-italians-are-biologically.html

http://www.geocities.ws/racial_reality/padania/

You can criticize the source but it is all cited information.

Don't think there is anything more humiliating than being invaded and penetrated by invading Islamized mixed race turkic people.

The only error on here I think is with South Asians due to the complexity of their population history.

http://racialreality.blogspot.ca/2013/12/global-admixture-analysis-at-k6.html

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2014/04/02/001552.DC3/001552-1.pdf The K6 analysis here yielded similar results.

I prefer gedmatch calculators over Frappe to be honest

[meisje]

Not exactly.

http://archhades.blogspot.ca/2011/06/northern-italians-are-biologically.html

http://www.geocities.ws/racial_reality/padania/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_War_(535%E2%80%93554)

You can criticize the source but it is all cited information.

Don't think there is anything more humiliating than being invaded and penetrated by invading Islamized mixed race turkic people.
The only error on here I think is with South Asians due to the complexity of their population history.
.

Nice Try, Selective Perception, If you are looking for something Disguisting, Do not go Further, Look at your MENA Shifted South Italian Brothers

Cappadocian Turks from south-Central Anatolia was taken as average Turk in this calculators who scores only 5% East-Eurasian which is not correct for all Turks similar to you

cannot take MENA Shifted Sicilians as Reference to all Italians, Turks score Turkmen Ancestry btw.25-70% by Region

http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p526826/trk.png

[BalkanTurk]

I like to give the benefit of the doubt, and pretext what I'm going to say that Turks are not the only people who suffer from this bias. Anyone who is blinded by some dogmatic sense of nationalism will choose to ignore their history in favour of ethno-centric drivel handed down by their families or governments.

Perhaps the Turks you are referring to in particular are just not well read in their own history, or perhaps they are willfully ignorant and choose not to learn because of their worldview, or even worse, they know it and argue against the truth because they are so dogmatic.

Admitting that your people, at one time, took the aspects of another culture and integrated it with their own is not an admission of weakness of your own culture. Should Greeks feel ashamed that their script is derived from Semitic? Should Italians feel insecure that they owed much to their Greek neighbours before the ascension of the Roman Empire? Should Germans feel ashamed that before contact with Rome, they were not 'civilised'? The answer is no.

In Turkey's case, there is a lot of cultural exchange or appropriation on their part. Religion, language to an extent, cuisine, etc. What else could anyone expect from a primarily nomadic society that conquered their way through lands that already had a long, entrenched history? Yes, Turkish culture, if looked at objectively, is an amalgamation of their own and their neighbours', but more so that of their neighbours. If the Turks remained nomadic and the cultural elements that that entailed and not adopt the aspects of the nations they conquered that had given them structure, they would have not been able to consolidate power the way that they did. They needed to assimilate, to a certain extent, to ensure their survival in new lands, let alone conquer. From what I have read, there weren't that many ethnic Turks that migrated anyway.

If one is being impartial, that shouldn't be hard to admit.Actually a lot of Turks migrated but were outnumbered by Anatolians and Balkan peoples.

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