Post Eurogenes k15 4-way oracles results

[de Burgh II]

Curious what everyone scores. :p

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% Southwest_English @ 3.397717


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Orcadian +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.958201


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_French @ 1.857995
2 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.958201
3 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_French + West_Scottish @ 1.970779
4 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.979403
5 Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Scottish @ 1.981442
6 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.019338
7 Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.087504
8 Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 2.094502
9 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_French @ 2.098725
10 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.122670
11 French_Basque + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 2.172059
12 Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 2.195370
13 Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Scottish @ 2.197643
14 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Orcadian @ 2.205709
15 Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.219547
16 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_French + West_Scottish @ 2.234982
17 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.241977
18 Orcadian + Southwest_French + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.246790
19 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_French @ 2.250263
20 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 2.259616

[Noman]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Pathan +50% Sindhi @ 5.586679


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kalash +25% Pathan +25% Velamas @ 5.096206


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Balochi + Burusho + Kalash + Piramalai @ 4.459506

[firemonkey]

Mine

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.244315


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 2.244315


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.244315
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.292785
3 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.310510
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 2.335537
5 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.336965
6 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.403321
7 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.446400
8 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.447490
9 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.526296
10 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.594063
11 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 2.596703
12 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.609533
13 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.612100
14 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.673313
15 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.676484
16 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.689232
17 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.722258
18 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.728282
19 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.742489
20 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.785365


My father

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Southwest_English @ 2.407564


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 2.407564


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.407564
2 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.457956
3 Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.531840
4 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.556333
5 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.672271
6 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.696665
7 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.704868
8 Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.705406
9 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.707074
10 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.720165
11 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.722464
12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.729608
13 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.730817
14 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.763653
15 Irish + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.771142
16 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.778408
17 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.799910
18 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.816885
19 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.820291
20 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.826402

[Damião de Góis]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.210654


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Andalucia +25% Spanish_Andalucia +25% West_German @ 2.471154


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + West_German @ 2.471154
2 French + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.485693
3 French + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Sicilian @ 2.500721
4 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Southwest_English + Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.568001
5 French + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.570559
6 French + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.581792
7 East_Sicilian + French + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.607579
8 French + French_Basque + Portuguese + West_Sicilian @ 2.617116
9 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.621718
10 French + French_Basque + Spanish_Galicia + West_Sicilian @ 2.646872
11 East_Sicilian + French + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.647290
12 French + French_Basque + Portuguese + Tuscan @ 2.649724
13 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Southwest_English + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.652504
14 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.659588
15 French + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.669998
16 French + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.670076
17 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.671404
18 French + North_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.672831
19 French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + West_German + West_Sicilian @ 2.683242
20 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.694691

[TEUTORIGOS]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.064974


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 3.064974


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.377470
2 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.603018
3 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.744400
4 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.762994
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.777089
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.829644
7 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.862946
8 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.889061
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.926053
10 North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.937662
11 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.940629
12 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.952824
13 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.953074
14 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 2.953712
15 Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.984510
16 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.992187
17 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.993653
18 North_German + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.000836
19 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.004843
20 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.006466

[Gangrel]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Ossetian +50% Iranian @ 5.282103


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurdish +25% Azeri +25% North_Ossetian @ 4.031033


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Azeri + Georgian + Kurdish + Turkish @ 3.815503
2 Azeri + Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish + North_Ossetian @ 3.879838
3 Georgian + Kurdish + Kurdish + Turkish @ 3.881943
4 Azeri + Georgian + Iranian + Turkish @ 3.983959
5 Georgian + Iranian + Kurdish + Turkish @ 4.001495
6 Assyrian + Azeri + Kurdish + North_Ossetian @ 4.007258
7 Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish + North_Ossetian + Turkish @ 4.017277
8 Kurdish + Kurdish + Lebanese_Muslim + North_Ossetian @ 4.031033
9 Abhkasian + Azeri + Kurdish + Turkish @ 4.068022
10 Azeri + Azeri + Georgian + Kurdish @ 4.078507
11 Azeri + Azeri + Iranian_Jewish + North_Ossetian @ 4.129163
12 Azeri + Kurdish + Kurdish_Jewish + North_Ossetian @ 4.161394
13 Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish + Kurdish + North_Ossetian @ 4.161592
14 Azeri + Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish + Ossetian @ 4.171688
15 Georgian + Iranian + Turkish + Turkish @ 4.186252
16 Abhkasian + Azeri + Iranian + Turkish @ 4.199279
17 Abhkasian + Iranian + Turkish + Turkish @ 4.210316
18 Assyrian + Kurdish + Kurdish + North_Ossetian @ 4.213314
19 Georgian + Kurdish + Turkish + Turkish @ 4.224711
20 Azeri + Azeri + Azeri + Georgian @ 4.227369

[Grace O'Malley]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% North_Dutch @ 3.203073


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_Dutch +25% West_Scottish @ 3.143203


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.125094
2 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.128713
3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.143203
4 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.144938
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.150105
6 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.159487
7 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.182833
8 North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.183386
9 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.193700
10 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.195021
11 North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.202463
12 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 3.203073
13 Danish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.235043
14 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.235556
15 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.238354
16 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.248949
17 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 3.252259
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.254036
19 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.259177
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.268316

[RN97]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% Romanian @ 3.602127


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% South_Italian +25% West_German @ 2.381517


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek + North_German + Orcadian + West_German @ 1.982894
2 North_German + Norwegian + South_Italian + Southwest_English @ 2.054392
3 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Italian @ 2.118764
4 Danish + Norwegian + South_Dutch + South_Italian @ 2.137804
5 Hungarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.145657
6 Greek_Thessaly + North_German + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.145973
7 Orcadian + South_Dutch + South_Italian + Swedish @ 2.163103
8 Central_Greek + Danish + Danish + West_German @ 2.177166
9 North_Swedish + Orcadian + South_Dutch + South_Italian @ 2.192043
10 North_German + Norwegian + South_Italian + Southeast_English @ 2.192602
11 Danish + Greek + Orcadian + West_German @ 2.194911
12 North_Dutch + Norwegian + South_Dutch + South_Italian @ 2.199732
13 North_German + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.202013
14 Danish + South_Dutch + South_Italian + Swedish @ 2.212328
15 Danish + Greek + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.220259
16 Central_Greek + Danish + Irish + West_German @ 2.229550
17 Central_Greek + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.238571
18 Danish + South_Dutch + South_Italian + West_Norwegian @ 2.241624
19 Greek + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.264279
20 Central_Greek + North_German + Orcadian + West_German @ 2.274774

[oszkar07]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% North_German @ 4.415464


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% Southwest_French +25% Southwest_Russian @ 3.623405


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_German + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.058497
2 North_German + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.109894
3 North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Aragon + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.204805
4 North_German + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.259830
5 French_Basque + North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.264246
6 Finnish + French_Basque + North_German + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.264367
7 Irish + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.301687
8 North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.314255
9 Irish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.340580
10 Irish + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Aragon + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.355572
11 North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.361169
12 Belorussian + North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.368819
13 Irish + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Valencia + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.387051
14 Irish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.407312
15 North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.412208
16 Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 3.416378
17 Irish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.417198
18 Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + West_Scottish @ 3.438694
19 Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Scottish @ 3.441638
20 Estonian_Polish + North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.445118

[Coolguy1]

1 50% Cyprian +50% Hungarian @ 4.388637

[Sp_loa]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sephardic_Jewish +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.560328


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Sephardic_Jewish +25% Sephardic_Jewish +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.408692


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Lebanese_Muslim + Sephardic_Jewish + South_Italian + Tunisian @ 3.973780
2 Cyprian + Sephardic_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian @ 4.115455
3 Cyprian + Sephardic_Jewish + South_Italian + Tunisian @ 4.126684
4 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian @ 4.134971
5 Cyprian + Italian_Abruzzo + Tunisian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.160368
6 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian @ 4.215681
7 Assyrian + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 4.222076
8 Assyrian + Lebanese_Christian + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian @ 4.246647
9 Lebanese_Muslim + Sephardic_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian @ 4.286860
10 Lebanese_Muslim + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 4.294784
11 Kurdish_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 4.299366
12 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Muslim + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian @ 4.305711
13 Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Spanish_Aragon + Tunisian @ 4.311373
14 Assyrian + Tunisian + Tunisian_Jewish + West_Sicilian @ 4.330352
15 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Muslim + Tunisian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.334241
16 Cyprian + Italian_Abruzzo + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian @ 4.340736
17 Kurdish_Jewish + Samaritan + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian @ 4.356565
18 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian @ 4.376473
19 Assyrian + Samaritan + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian @ 4.389728
20 Iranian_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 4.391351


After the first 3 everything else is completely off...

[Bosniensis]

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 6.458717
2 Bulgarian @ 7.516737
3 Serbian @ 7.559724
4 Moldavian @ 7.911699
5 Croatian @ 10.352374
6 Hungarian @ 13.227408
7 Austrian @ 13.864779
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 16.422695
9 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 16.835749
10 Greek @ 16.842367
11 South_Polish @ 17.479979
12 Ukrainian @ 17.762428
13 East_German @ 18.796608
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.594086
15 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.056482
16 Southwest_Russian @ 20.395523
17 Polish @ 20.453861
18 Tuscan @ 21.367659
19 North_Italian @ 21.603508
20 Ashkenazi @ 22.643764

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Ukrainian @ 2.820392


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Ukrainian +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.136645


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek + Greek + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.136645
2 Bulgarian + Greek + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.237615
3 Greek + Greek + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.292398
4 Croatian + Erzya + Greek + Greek_Thessaly @ 2.311017
5 Central_Greek + Greek + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.334818
6 Bulgarian + Greek + Moldavian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.350666
7 Central_Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 2.425618
8 Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 2.433014
9 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Erzya @ 2.480399
10 Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.482334
11 Central_Greek + Erzya + Greek + South_Polish @ 2.500289
12 Croatian + Erzya + Greek + Greek @ 2.516266
13 Greek + Greek + Moldavian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.538654
14 Central_Greek + Erzya + Greek + Ukrainian @ 2.545602
15 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Croatian + Erzya @ 2.545655
16 Greek + Greek + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.591215
17 Erzya + Greek + Greek + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.613297
18 Central_Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.616590
19 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.618500
20 Croatian + Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.619467

[Ilma]

Using 2 populations approximation:

1 50% Spanish_Cantabria +50% West_German @ 6.080595


Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% Norwegian +25% Sardinian +25% Southwest_French @ 4.606910


Using 4 populations approximation:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

1 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Norwegian @ 4.465728
2 Norwegian + Sardinian + Southwest_French + West_Norwegian @ 4.492179
3 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Southwest_French + West_Norwegian @ 4.505866
4 Sardinian + Southwest_French + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.507370
5 Norwegian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.573940
6 Norwegian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Norwegian @ 4.599017
7 North_Swedish + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.603264
8 North_Swedish + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.603298
9 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 4.604146
10 Norwegian + Norwegian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 4.606910
11 North_Swedish + Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.607281
12 Norwegian + Norwegian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.650443
13 Southwest_French + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 4.665354
14 Sardinian + Southwest_French + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 4.666519
15 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.675532
16 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.707137
17 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 4.708811
18 Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.712852
19 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Scottish @ 4.718078
20 Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 4.718427

Feels like I'm a bridge between Norway and Spain...

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[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +50% Portuguese @ 3.727331


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Tuscan @ 3.542866


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese @ 3.180573
2 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.301125
3 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.324814
4 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.446154
5 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.462733
6 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.463382
7 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.507597
8 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.509336
9 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.520799
10 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Tuscan @ 3.542866
11 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.550134
12 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.568284
13 Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.572852
14 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.574757
15 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.588602
16 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.594914
17 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.608324
18 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.624690
19 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.636085
20 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.641564

[Ilma]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +50% Portuguese @ 3.727331


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Tuscan @ 3.542866


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese @ 3.180573
2 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.301125
3 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.324814
4 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.446154
5 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.462733
6 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.463382
7 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.507597
8 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.509336
9 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.520799
10 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Tuscan @ 3.542866
11 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.550134
12 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.568284
13 Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.572852
14 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.574757
15 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.588602
16 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.594914
17 North_Italian + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.608324
18 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.624690
19 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.636085
20 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.641564

Pure Iberian :thumb001:

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Pure Iberian :thumb001:

With a pinch of Italian, lol.

[Ilma]

With a pinch of Italian, lol.

You did score a bit of Italian in your 23andme if I remember well, makes sense :) That calculator is not too bad for both of us it seems.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

You did score a bit of Italian in your 23andme if I remember well, makes sense :) That calculator is not too bad for both of us it seems.

Yes, 10% Italian.

[Peterski]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_German +50% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.932727

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Belgorod +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod +25% West_Scottish @ 1.995475

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 North_German + South_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.635830
2 Russian_Smolensk + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.684730
3 Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.724706
4 North_German + Russian_Smolensk + South_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.734860
5 Irish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.756642
6 Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.802488
7 Irish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.824753
8 North_German + Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.832218
9 Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.858421
10 North_German + South_Polish + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.863606
11 North_German + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.882791
12 Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.944394
13 North_German + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.944447
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 1.995475
15 Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 2.006189
16 Southwest_English + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.015219
17 Russian_Smolensk + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.015573
18 North_Dutch + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.019395
19 Irish + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.035222
20 North_German + Russian_Smolensk + South_Polish + Southwest_Russian @ 2.044035

[Bosniensis]

1 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Erzya @ 2.3
2 54.1% Greek + 45.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.39
3 51.4% Greek + 48.6% Ukrainian @ 2.45

What does this mean, I actually have no idea what those 2-way or 4-way oracles are :P

[Petalpusher]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_French +50% North_German @ 3.956597


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Sardinian +25% South_Dutch @ 2.613374


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Norwegian + Sardinian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 2.323821

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Sardinian? That's quite unexpected.

[Ylla]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.963005


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Tuscan @ 4.587153


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
1 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 3.874721
2 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 3.958924
3 Bulgarian + Croatian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.022056
4 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.136835
5 Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Tuscan + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.167624
6 Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Serbian + Serbian @ 4.202082
7 Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian + Tuscan @ 4.226818
8 Croatian + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian @ 4.235386
9 Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.263589
10 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 4.263939
11 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 4.267579
12 Hungarian + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian @ 4.269557
13 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 4.303135
14 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.310381
15 Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + South_Italian @ 4.320285
16 Central_Greek + Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.356874
17 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Serbian @ 4.361001
18 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Moldavian + Sardinian @ 4.368699
19 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 4.383462
20 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.393224

[Petalpusher]

Sardinian? That's quite unexpected.

Well im not 75% Dutch on the other hand, it is balancing, like for Illma.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Well im not 75% Dutch on the other hand, it is balancing, like for Illma.

I know but from what I remember you are very northern shifted, more than average Frenchmen samples so I was kinda surprised. How much West Med do you get on this calculator?

[Drenica]

I know but from what I remember you are very northern shifted, more than average Frenchmen samples so I was kinda surprised. How much West Med do you get on this calculator?

You surely seem to be even too much of an idiot to even understand genetics or these calculators. Lmao

[Petalpusher]

I know but from what I remember you are very northern shifted, more than average Frenchmen samples so I was kinda surprised. How much West Med do you get on this calculator?

Im not that far from the average, in ancient calculators maybe i have a mesolithic level more common in NW Europe but the rest is normal central euro.

I get 20 something west med.

Also a fit made of NW Europe with some Sardinian is a way to add some Neolithic and at the same time little West Asian / East med, not much more than N.Euro would score, it only makes you drift more West or SW, but not straight south. So in a theorical way it works well for some of us.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

You surely seem to be even too much of an idiot to even understand genetics or these calculators. Lmao

Probably, that's why I am talking with someone who does understand about genetics like Petalpusher and not you. Now let me be, you're worse than a stalking ex-girlfriend.

[Drenica]

This is mine


1 78.8% Greek_Thessaly + 21.2% Southwest_English @ 1.85
2 74.1% Greek_Thessaly + 25.9% West_German @ 1.9
3 75.1% Greek_Thessaly + 24.9% South_Dutch @ 2.08
4 71.9% Greek_Thessaly + 28.1% French @ 2.1
5 79.6% Greek_Thessaly + 20.4% Southeast_English @ 2.12
6 81.4% Greek_Thessaly + 18.6% Orcadian @ 2.13
7 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% West_Scottish @ 2.3
8 82% Greek_Thessaly + 18% West_Norwegian @ 2.33
9 80.4% Greek_Thessaly + 19.6% North_Dutch @ 2.35
10 80.4% Greek_Thessaly + 19.6% Danish @ 2.37
11 81% Greek_Thessaly + 19% Irish @ 2.42
12 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% Norwegian @ 2.42
13 79.3% Greek_Thessaly + 20.7% North_German @ 2.74
14 81.5% Greek_Thessaly + 18.5% Swedish @ 2.8
15 81.9% Greek_Thessaly + 18.1% North_Swedish @ 3.11
16 76.4% Greek_Thessaly + 23.6% East_German @ 3.34
17 72.1% Greek_Thessaly + 27.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.59
18 65.9% Greek + 34.1% West_German @ 3.62
19 74.3% Greek_Thessaly + 25.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.73
20 73.1% Greek_Thessaly + 26.9% Portuguese @

[kingjohn]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +50% Ashkenazi @ 3.456342


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Palestinian +25% Romanian @ 1.786591


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Central_Greek + Lebanese_Muslim + Sephardic_Jewish + Serbian @ 1.077364
2 Ashkenazi + Lebanese_Muslim + Sephardic_Jewish + Serbian @ 1.078224
3 Central_Greek + Sephardic_Jewish + Serbian + Syrian @ 1.110843
4 East_Sicilian + Lebanese_Muslim + Sephardic_Jewish + Serbian @ 1.1223


intresting that the Serbian is on both eurogenes k13 and k15

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

This is mine


1 78.8% Greek_Thessaly + 21.2% Southwest_English @ 1.85
2 74.1% Greek_Thessaly + 25.9% West_German @ 1.9
3 75.1% Greek_Thessaly + 24.9% South_Dutch @ 2.08
4 71.9% Greek_Thessaly + 28.1% French @ 2.1
5 79.6% Greek_Thessaly + 20.4% Southeast_English @ 2.12
6 81.4% Greek_Thessaly + 18.6% Orcadian @ 2.13
7 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% West_Scottish @ 2.3
8 82% Greek_Thessaly + 18% West_Norwegian @ 2.33
9 80.4% Greek_Thessaly + 19.6% North_Dutch @ 2.35
10 80.4% Greek_Thessaly + 19.6% Danish @ 2.37
11 81% Greek_Thessaly + 19% Irish @ 2.42
12 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% Norwegian @ 2.42
13 79.3% Greek_Thessaly + 20.7% North_German @ 2.74
14 81.5% Greek_Thessaly + 18.5% Swedish @ 2.8
15 81.9% Greek_Thessaly + 18.1% North_Swedish @ 3.11
16 76.4% Greek_Thessaly + 23.6% East_German @ 3.34
17 72.1% Greek_Thessaly + 27.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.59
18 65.9% Greek + 34.1% West_German @ 3.62
19 74.3% Greek_Thessaly + 25.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.73
20 73.1% Greek_Thessaly + 26.9% Portuguese @

You understand so much about these calculators that you couldn't even post the right oracle :lol: That's not a 4 populations approximation...

[Drenica]

You understand so much about these calculators that you couldn't even post the right oracle :lol: That's not a 4 populations approximation...

Are you happy now?

Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 2.104577
2 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Dutch @ 2.319221
3 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 2.353771
4 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Southwest_English @ 2.469218
5 French + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 2.480275
6 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Tuscan + West_German @ 2.577368
7 Hungarian + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Swedish @ 2.582985
8 Assyrian + Hungarian + Sardinian + Swedish @ 2.644868
9 Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Norwegian @ 2.758660
10 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Southeast_English @ 2.887729
11 Hungarian + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 2.889783
12 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Norwegian @ 2.891083
13 Hungarian + Iranian_Jewish + Sardinian + Swedish @ 2.897880
14 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Norwegian + South_Italian @ 2.915584
15 Hungarian + Kurdish_Jewish + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 2.929215
16 Assyrian + Hungarian + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 2.950941
17 Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Ukrainian + West_Norwegian @ 2.957753
18 Assyrian + Hungarian + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 2.967886
19 Hungarian + Iranian_Jewish + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 2.979429
20 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Southwest_English @ 3.010007

[Ylla]

compared to other albanians i have a strong lebanese shift:D

[Drenica]

compared to other albanians i have a strong lebanese shift:D

Lebanescaaaaaaaaaa :)

[Petalpusher]

Drenica is like pre Ylla invasion, ancient Greek slash i'll make you whites beyond belief.

[Drenica]

Drenica is like pre Ylla invasion, ancient Greek slash i'll make you whites beyond belief.


Care to explain more in depth?

[Petalpusher]

Care to explain more in depth?

I was just joking but you re really far north compared to other Albanians, like you could have a grand parent from NW Europe, maybe that's normal for Kosovo.

[Tchek]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.822916


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% French_Basque +25% Tuscan @ 2.359031


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Danish + French_Basque + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.206535
2 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.226156
3 French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.282824
4 Danish + French_Basque + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.322161
5 Danish + Danish + French_Basque + Tuscan @ 2.359031
6 French_Basque + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 2.367908
7 Danish + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 2.397547
8 Danish + French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.405620
9 French_Basque + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.413806
10 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.466411
11 Danish + French_Basque + Orcadian + West_Sicilian @ 2.467177
12 French_Basque + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.468765
13 French_Basque + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.471630
14 French_Basque + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.482181
15 North_German + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish @ 2.483087
16 French_Basque + Irish + West_Norwegian + West_Sicilian @ 2.485676
17 North_German + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish @ 2.486142
18 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.489488
19 Irish + North_German + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.494688
20 French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian + West_Sicilian @ 2.501492

[Ilma]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.822916


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% French_Basque +25% Tuscan @ 2.359031


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Danish + French_Basque + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.206535
2 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.226156
3 French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.282824
4 Danish + French_Basque + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.322161
5 Danish + Danish + French_Basque + Tuscan @ 2.359031
6 French_Basque + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 2.367908
7 Danish + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 2.397547
8 Danish + French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.405620
9 French_Basque + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.413806
10 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.466411
11 Danish + French_Basque + Orcadian + West_Sicilian @ 2.467177
12 French_Basque + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.468765
13 French_Basque + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.471630
14 French_Basque + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.482181
15 North_German + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish @ 2.483087
16 French_Basque + Irish + West_Norwegian + West_Sicilian @ 2.485676
17 North_German + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish @ 2.486142
18 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.489488
19 Irish + North_German + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.494688
20 French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian + West_Sicilian @ 2.501492

Pretty similar to the K13 for you !

[Drenica]

I was just joking but you re really far north compared to other Albanians, like you could have a grand parent from NW Europe, maybe that's normal for Kosovo.

You must be joking? Dema for example gets East Europe and North Europe on many autosomal tests and even said his relatives took Serbian wives while No autosomal test ever really gave me something non Balkan, yet he still he plots more south than me.

Nope , all my greatgrandparents were Albanians and I got autosomal results if you wanna see. I dont know how many Albanian results youve seen but Albanian members here show more South Albanian/Southern Balkan ancestry while also more Slavic and NorthWest.



Pure Ghegs actually plot very North, yes, many people from my area are very Northern.


Im Ali Pasha on this map. ChocolateFace is another Albanian from Montenegro. Pure Gheg AFAIK.

https://image.ibb.co/dDU39a/ali_pasha.png

I can show you much more examples that are more Northern but never bothered adding them on pca.

Many ancient Balkan samples were actually quite nortern shifted like ChocolateFace

And heres another plotting map where I plot closer than most Albanians ive seen on here who plot very south of it or very north

https://image.ibb.co/h11Mwa/ali_pasha.png

There are maps where i plot even closer

If you think an Albanian needs foreign input to plot south of Northern Italians then I feel sorry for you, where I plot is not even north, rather some Albanian members here who are extremely abnormally south and even show ashkenazi Jewish, Sardinian and Southwestern input.

They got more Near Eastern input etc which is why they are more Southern while I got more WHG, such variation is just natural... we're not all inbreds that plot right on the same spot. .and not because they are purer Albanians because autosomal results show something different.. if you wanna say they are bullshit then what makes these calcs any less bullshit.. im not the only Albanian that plots there as i showed you, its most likely due to more WHG for my case and Steppe for some others, natural variation



Some of those Thracian and Ilyrian samples were much more Northern , right next to Bulgaria, north italy.

Nope all my grandparents were Albanians, j2b2 l283 paternally and paternal mothersside ev13

You can also see my autosomal results I posted here.. youre just basing your claim off some Albanian results youve seen here and think they are the epitome of Albanianness when I can show you pure Albanians who are even much more North..


Yeah, I do get more north west but she gets more north east from my observation, does that know mean shes got a slavic grandparent? I doubt it unless its very far back. These calcs are not supposed to be taken as actual ancestry you know. They calculate you as a mixture of those populations and supposedly that mixture is you but not actual ancestry


On nmonte i was getting mostly Balkan countries like North Albania and North Italy while other Albanian members here got English, French but also more South Albania and Southern Greece, Southern Italy which obviously makes them more Southern.


you can see more genetic results to prove my point, more northern plotting Albanians were getting purer autosomal results than many Southern ones who even show more recent Northern input but whatever you say dude, if you think some retarded calculator like this is the be and all then so be it , that just proves im less Slavic influenced as Im getting more NorthWest Europe compared to some other Albanians who get more North East...


Rather Germanic ancestry than Slavic piece of shit

[Ylla]

^ it's actually my results that are atypical, yours are typical for ghegs. Eurogenes gives me really high East med,other calculators are closer to average.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://image.ibb.co/dDU39a/ali_pasha.png

Seeing where you plot in here is very likely that you have some Serbian ancestors or other Balkan Slavic population, which is normal considering they are the neighboring populations.

[Drenica]

Seeing where you plot in here is very likely that you have some Serbian ancestors or other Balkan Slavic population, which is normal considering they are the neighboring populations.


Albania was settled by Goths and Normans, hes saying I might have Germanic ancestry and not Slavic. Neither J2b2 or EV13 are Germanic unless they took Goth wives.

Where I plot there has nothing to do with it , plotting north /= Slavic ancestry. I'm sorry that your Moor brain cannot comprehend that just like its unable to understand most things.


Where I plot isnt atypical actually as I already showed you, the pca map depends on the people that have been used to make the average for each country...


Also some people from my area show Germanic ancestry and not Slavic

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Albania was settled by Goths and Normans, hes saying I might have Germanic ancestry and not Slavic. Neither J2b2 or EV13 are Germanic unless they took Goth wives.

Where I plot there has nothing to do with it , plotting north /= Slavic ancestry. I'm sorry that your Moor brain cannot comprehend that just like its unable to understand most things.

You plot closer to Macedonians, Bulgarians and Romanians than Greeks or Italians. They are populations with significant Slavic ancestry. That's not really Germanic input in my opinion but other Balkan core populations such as south Slavs. I don't get what is the big deal about it.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Albania having been settled by Goths and Normans is a silly argument. It was also settled and invaded by Slavs. Why can we assume that ones left a genetic impact on the region but the others didn't? Albanians and Serbians weren't always sworn enemies, that's actually quite recent in history.

[Drenica]

^ it's actually my results that are atypical, yours are typical for ghegs. Eurogenes gives me really high East med,other calculators are closer to average.

I dont really care , we might of mixed with Goths way back and some people from Drenica do have Germanic ancestry including some from same tribe as me but its not something recent or foreign to Albanians as even many Southern plotting Albos show North West European input and some Ghegs in bloodline project tested I1. Its more common than I2a1b. Goths came even before Slavs. My point is these calculators arent some magical tool that show the whole picture when you got Ghegs that seem more South with NorthWest European input. Its just part of the Albanian genetic makeup today. And many of these calcs tell different things.

[Сербо Макеридов]

I dont really care , we might of mixed with Goths way back and some people from Drenica do have Germanic ancestry including some from same tribe as me but its not something recent or foreign to Albanians as even many Southern plotting Albos show North West European input and some Ghegs in bloodline project tested I1. Its more common than I2a1b. Goths came even before Slavs. My point is these calculators arent some magical tool that show the whole picture when you got Ghegs that seem more South with NorthWest European input. Its just part of the Albanian genetic makeup today. And many of these calcs tell different things.

Serbs have more I1 haplogroup (Scando-Germanic) than Albanians.

Percentage of I1 haplogroup among Serbs www.macure.net/Content/Images/Genetika/I1-Srbi.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

23andme:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.52
2 West_Med 19.29
3 Baltic 16.69
4 North_Sea 12.55
5 Atlantic 10.61
6 West_Asian 9.54
7 Eastern_Euro 5.63
8 Red_Sea 3.31


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.524095
2 Greek @ 9.137400
3 Bulgarian @ 10.350962
4 Romanian @ 12.883618
5 Central_Greek @ 13.517962
6 Ashkenazi @ 13.871165
7 East_Sicilian @ 14.300804
8 Tuscan @ 14.453425
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 15.170521
10 West_Sicilian @ 15.948427
11 South_Italian @ 16.777632
12 Serbian @ 16.846382
13 North_Italian @ 18.170517
14 Moldavian @ 20.724518
15 Italian_Jewish @ 21.048826
16 Algerian_Jewish @ 22.043861
17 Sephardic_Jewish @ 22.574503
18 Croatian @ 23.226143
19 Hungarian @ 23.757563
20 Austrian @ 24.765224

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.524095


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.524095


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++
1 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.284823
2 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Christian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.381974
3 Assyrian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.508301
4 Greek_Thessaly + Kurdish_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.524454
5 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Muslim + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.559460
6 Greek_Thessaly + Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.574098
7 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.618550
8 Lebanese_Christian + Lithuanian + Romanian + Sardinian @ 5.645225
9 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.656164
10 Lebanese_Druze + Moldavian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.697638
11 Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Romanian + Sardinian @ 5.737973
12 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Samaritan + Sardinian @ 5.749734
13 Lebanese_Christian + Moldavian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.835706
14 Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.836548
15 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Syrian @ 5.841516
16 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.004978
17 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.013000
18 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + Samaritan + Sardinian @ 6.031924
19 Bulgarian + Kurdish_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 6.048082
20 Lebanese_Druze + Moldavian + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 6.048232

Done.

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Ftdna:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.48
2 West_Med 20.21
3 Atlantic 14.31
4 Baltic 13.63
5 North_Sea 11.96
6 West_Asian 9.17
7 Eastern_Euro 6.44
8 Red_Sea 3.81


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.180845
2 Greek @ 6.898071
3 Bulgarian @ 9.424276
4 Tuscan @ 10.239388
5 Romanian @ 12.020452
6 Central_Greek @ 12.292795
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.552925
8 West_Sicilian @ 12.789232
9 East_Sicilian @ 12.852485
10 Ashkenazi @ 13.090527
11 North_Italian @ 13.848250
12 South_Italian @ 15.480329
13 Serbian @ 15.529095
14 Italian_Jewish @ 19.856045
15 Algerian_Jewish @ 20.820644
16 Moldavian @ 21.014046
17 Sephardic_Jewish @ 21.194511
18 Portuguese @ 21.678774
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.930956
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 22.095373

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.511574


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +25% Lebanese_Christian +25% Sardinian @ 2.589870


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.118458
2 Lebanese_Christian + Romanian + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 2.317412
3 Cyprian + Estonian + Greek_Thessaly + Sardinian @ 2.323782
4 Lebanese_Christian + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.328863
5 Lebanese_Christian + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 2.351705
6 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Muslim + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.366060
7 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.454821
8 Bulgarian + Estonian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.458737
9 Lebanese_Christian + Polish + Romanian + Sardinian @ 2.470827
10 Cyprian + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.516022
11 Belorussian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Sardinian @ 2.516107
12 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.521105
13 Romanian + Samaritan + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 2.552117
14 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian + Polish + Sardinian @ 2.553999
15 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 2.554003
16 Croatian + Hungarian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.567432
17 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 2.582036
18 Romanian + Samaritan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.582372
19 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 2.586073
20 Croatian + Croatian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.589870

Done.

Elapsed time 1.4214 seconds.

[Drenica]

You plot closer to Macedonians, Bulgarians and Romanians than Greeks or Italians. They are populations with significant Slavic ancestry. That's not really Germanic input in my opinion but other Balkan core populations such as south Slavs. I don't get what is the big deal about it.

Macedonians and Bulgarians got a lot of native Balkan blood.. even the Balkan on dna land includes Bulgarians. Some Romanians, Bulgarians etc plot even more North on other pca. How does this imply Slavic ancestry when even that other calc shows more north west european countries? On rep comment youre harassing me about being Jewish apparently, your trolling is so lame dude. Greeks have always been more Southern than Albanians. Youre just cherrypicking the pca map , Albanians plot more East than Italians.... im just slightly north than Albanian average there. on this map i plot just slight north west of Albanian average

https://image.ibb.co/h11Mwa/ali_pasha.png

Here it actually looks like i plot closer to Italians and im obviously North Western shifted and very close to Albanian average same time

As you can see, average Romanian and Macedonian is even more North here as I told you it depends on the PCA map and the average being used...

How could I possibly be closer to Slavs on that map dude?? When I obviously am western shifted and get western countries more than anything else.. i wonder what you'd think about Albanians who are actually getting more Slavic countries...


If i was originally very eastern shifted but some extra west european ancestry would pull me more west and end up with some south slavs does that imply slavic ancestry? Lol. And no you idiot, i dont plot with south slavs there, i wonder what you think about chocolateface. even some montenigrins on pca plot close to North Albanians.

No theres no big deal about it , i just get more Germanic matches than Slavic and Ghegs have more I1 from Goths than I2a1b and r1a from Slavs , including one of the tribes im from where a guy tested for I1 meaning they most likely joined the tribe as the founder was a j2b2 and i match on autosomal other I1 Balkanites and Albanians and we share Germanic matches .. this is why i thought before I had Germanic ancestry but no autosomal test has so far shown this as Goths came very early and its not something foreign for Albanians actually, I just disagreed that its recent or something foreign, thats all. I can perfectly accept it if true.

Neither is the region where im from known for Slavic ancestry but there is for sure Germanic input going by dna tests ive seen. But this exists even in other Albanians on this forum as we have seen from autosomal tests so nothing to do with plotting north etc. Ghegs actually have more Germanic input. Whats wrong with us having Germanic ancestry? Many of my relatives look Germanic rather than Slavic which is why I never identified with Slavs. Serbs etc look very different.

If my j2b2 and ev13 ancestors cucked some slavs then so be it but when Albania/Kosovo was invaded by Slavs, Albanians had already absorbed Goths and were living isolated in mountains.

Youre just a butthurt Moor calling me Jew or anything that is insulting rofllllllll but seems like you got triggered and im cool as always presenting you facts... not to mention youre OWD as fuck like a major part of your countrymen with obvious SSA and Moor ancestry

I get more english and germanic on that calc than jew or Slav but its not insulting for an OWD like you..

[Drenica]

Serbs have more I1 haplogroup (Scando-Germanic) than Albanians.

Percentage of I1 haplogroup among Serbs www.macure.net/Content/Images/Genetika/I1-Srbi.jpg

There are different type of I1.. this isnt Serbs vs Albanians you fucking owd.. a lot of the I1 Serbs got from Vlachs and Albanians that got it before that from Goths.. like Macura used to be Vlachs/,Albanians with Goth ancestry and they match other I1 Albanians and they also match Albanians on autosomal.


Macura are Serbianised Vlachs/Albanians with Goth ancestry. Deal with it and get the fuck outta my face.

Many of those I1 Serbs used to be Vlachs.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Someone got triggered, what a freaking wall text just because I said you might have South Slav ancestry :D

Who are you by the way, are you PlantP or how was your nick, the Kosovar living in Norway?

[Drenica]

23andme:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.52
2 West_Med 19.29
3 Baltic 16.69
4 North_Sea 12.55
5 Atlantic 10.61
6 West_Asian 9.54
7 Eastern_Euro 5.63
8 Red_Sea 3.31


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.524095
2 Greek @ 9.137400
3 Bulgarian @ 10.350962
4 Romanian @ 12.883618
5 Central_Greek @ 13.517962
6 Ashkenazi @ 13.871165
7 East_Sicilian @ 14.300804
8 Tuscan @ 14.453425
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 15.170521
10 West_Sicilian @ 15.948427
11 South_Italian @ 16.777632
12 Serbian @ 16.846382
13 North_Italian @ 18.170517
14 Moldavian @ 20.724518
15 Italian_Jewish @ 21.048826
16 Algerian_Jewish @ 22.043861
17 Sephardic_Jewish @ 22.574503
18 Croatian @ 23.226143
19 Hungarian @ 23.757563
20 Austrian @ 24.765224

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.524095


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.524095


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++
1 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.284823
2 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Christian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.381974
3 Assyrian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.508301
4 Greek_Thessaly + Kurdish_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.524454
5 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Muslim + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.559460
6 Greek_Thessaly + Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.574098
7 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.618550
8 Lebanese_Christian + Lithuanian + Romanian + Sardinian @ 5.645225
9 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.656164
10 Lebanese_Druze + Moldavian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.697638
11 Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Romanian + Sardinian @ 5.737973
12 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Samaritan + Sardinian @ 5.749734
13 Lebanese_Christian + Moldavian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.835706
14 Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 5.836548
15 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Syrian @ 5.841516
16 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.004978
17 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.013000
18 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + Samaritan + Sardinian @ 6.031924
19 Bulgarian + Kurdish_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 6.048082
20 Lebanese_Druze + Moldavian + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 6.048232

Done.

Elapsed time 1.9566 seconds.

Ftdna:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.48
2 West_Med 20.21
3 Atlantic 14.31
4 Baltic 13.63
5 North_Sea 11.96
6 West_Asian 9.17
7 Eastern_Euro 6.44
8 Red_Sea 3.81


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.180845
2 Greek @ 6.898071
3 Bulgarian @ 9.424276
4 Tuscan @ 10.239388
5 Romanian @ 12.020452
6 Central_Greek @ 12.292795
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.552925
8 West_Sicilian @ 12.789232
9 East_Sicilian @ 12.852485
10 Ashkenazi @ 13.090527
11 North_Italian @ 13.848250
12 South_Italian @ 15.480329
13 Serbian @ 15.529095
14 Italian_Jewish @ 19.856045
15 Algerian_Jewish @ 20.820644
16 Moldavian @ 21.014046
17 Sephardic_Jewish @ 21.194511
18 Portuguese @ 21.678774
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.930956
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 22.095373

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.511574


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +25% Lebanese_Christian +25% Sardinian @ 2.589870


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.118458
2 Lebanese_Christian + Romanian + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 2.317412
3 Cyprian + Estonian + Greek_Thessaly + Sardinian @ 2.323782
4 Lebanese_Christian + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.328863
5 Lebanese_Christian + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 2.351705
6 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Muslim + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.366060
7 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.454821
8 Bulgarian + Estonian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.458737
9 Lebanese_Christian + Polish + Romanian + Sardinian @ 2.470827
10 Cyprian + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.516022
11 Belorussian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Sardinian @ 2.516107
12 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.521105
13 Romanian + Samaritan + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 2.552117
14 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian + Polish + Sardinian @ 2.553999
15 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 2.554003
16 Croatian + Hungarian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.567432
17 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 2.582036
18 Romanian + Samaritan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.582372
19 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 2.586073
20 Croatian + Croatian + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.589870

Done.

Elapsed time 1.4214 seconds.

You also get more North Eastern countries than me but on your 23andme you got North West Europe.. but you also get more near east countries which makes you a little more Southern...anyway its obvious even the people on this forum who are considered to know a thing or 2 about genetics know jack shit, even that chocolateface is extremely north and even eastern shifted and is supposedly pure Albanian...

[Kelmendasi]

You also get more North Eastern countries than me but on your 23andme you got North West Europe.. but you also get more near east countries which makes you a little more Southern...anyway its obvious even the people on this forum who are considered to know a thing or 2 about genetics know jack shit, even that chocolateface is extremely north and even eastern shifted and is supposedly pure Albanian...
Yh I think the near east is proxy for Neolithic whilst NE or NW Euro countries are WHG and my results constantly show that I am a mix of mainly Neolithic and WHG with a little amount of Steppe which you maybe carry more of which makes you more northern, as I have said before your plot is probably due to having less Neolithic and more WHG or Steppe and nothing to do with south Slavs. Albos from Montenegro like Chocolateface did take some Slav women but idk if it is so for his case and anyways he is 100% Albo afaik

[Kelmendasi]

There are different type of I1.. this isnt Serbs vs Albanians you fucking owd.. a lot of the I1 Serbs got from Vlachs and Albanians that got it before that from Goths.. like Macura used to be Vlachs/,Albanians with Goth ancestry and they match other I1 Albanians and they also match Albanians on autosomal.


Macura are Serbianised Vlachs/Albanians with Goth ancestry. Deal with it and get the fuck outta my face.

Many of those I1 Serbs used to be Vlachs.
Yh Vlachs of Norman ancestry as most belong to P109

[Сербо Макеридов]

There are different type of I1.. this isnt Serbs vs Albanians you fucking owd.. a lot of the I1 Serbs got from Vlachs and Albanians that got it before that from Goths.. like Macura used to be Vlachs/,Albanians with Goth ancestry and they match other I1 Albanians and they also match Albanians on autosomal.


Macura are Serbianised Vlachs/Albanians with Goth ancestry. Deal with it and get the fuck outta my face.

Many of those I1 Serbs used to be Vlachs.

Keep dreaming, Macure and Drobnjaci were never been Albanians neither Vlachs.

If Macure were Albanian origin they should have genetic relatives in Albania/Kosovo, but the have genetic relatives in Ukraine, Greece, Slovakia, Czechia and Polans and not in Albania and Kosovo macure.net/en/Home#!Home/HomePage

Albanians/Vlachs with Goth ancestry :picard1::picard1::picard1::picard1::picard1:
Very funny, what is next Albanians/Vlachs with Scottish ancestry or Albanians/Vlachs with French ancestry...

Haplogoup I1-Z63 (Macure) and I1-P109 (Drobnjaci) are originated in northern Europe and have nothing to do with Albo-Vlachs, real Albo-Vlachs haplogroups are E1b, J2b2 and eastern R1b, deal with it.

Macure were Srbljaci (synonym for Serbs), they live were today live Vasojevići, and in 15th century Vasojevići came to Srbljaci land and expelled Srbljaci including Macure, after that Macure escaped in northern Dalmatia here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kistanje

Traditional meeting of Macure in Belgrade


https://youtu.be/bVNAzP64_z8

[Kelmendasi]

Keep dreaming, Macure and Drobnjaci were never been Albanians neither Vlachs.

If Macure were Albanian origin they should have genetic relatives in Albania/Kosovo, but the have genetic relatives in Ukraine, Greece, Slovakia, Czechia and Polans and not in Albania and Kosovo macure.net/en/Home#!Home/HomePage

Albanians/Vlachs wit Goth ancestry :picard1::picard1::picard1::picard1::picard1:
Very funny, what is next Albanians/Vlachs with Scottish ancestry or Albanians/Vlachs with French ancestry...

Haplogoup I1-Z63 (Macure) and I1-P109 (Drobnjaci) are originated in northern Europe and have nothing to do with Albo-Vlachs, real Albo-Vlachs haplogroups are E1b, J2b2 and eastern R1b, deal with it.

Macure were Srbljaci (synonym for Serbs), they live were today live Vasojevići, and in 15th century Vasojevići came to Srbljaci land and expelled Srbljaci including Macure, after that Macure escaped in northern Dalmatia here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kistanje


https://youtu.be/bVNAzP64_z8
The majority of I1 in Albania is Z63 which is Goth. Anyways Drobnjaci claim to originate from Vlachs afaik but they are of Norman ancestry judging by the fact that they are P109

[Drenica]

Someone got triggered, what a freaking wall text just because I said you might have South Slav ancestry :D

Who are you by the way, are you PlantP or how was your nick, the Kosovar living in Norway?

How am i triggered and how do i have south slav ancestry? I just explained to you very well why I dont. Why is that so hard to accept for you? Why does every Albanian have to have Slavic ancestry? I dont identify with Slavs. If you dont like wall of text then dont debate with me. The calculator gives me more western countries than eastern than other Albanians ive seen so far which is why Petalpusher said I might have North West European ancestry, but based on some plotting map like the idiot you are youre trying to insult me as you know Albanians dont like Serbs etc. Theres nothing else to your claim.. before you were calling me a Jew , i honestly dont give a shit..

Lmao I dont plot close to South Slavs at all dude, please take a look again

https://image.ibb.co/h11Mwa/ali_pasha.png

Im actually western shifted even for Albanian average, i noticed this on most calcs

You realize Bulgarians, Macedonians etc have a lot of native blood, just look how much more south they are on that map you quoted which is why on that other pca you posted they are more South compared to this one... even plotting with them doesnt indicate south slavic ancestry, dude. You dont even understand how these plotting maps work. Your trolling is so fucking lame. I guess ChocolateFace grandmother must of been a South Slav going by your logic. Same for other Albanians who are getting more Eastern countries.

Youre the one whos basing his claim off some retarded plotting map... when its obvious im north western shifted even on that map... a half romanian and half Norwegian according to you must be austrian if he plots there going by your logic, just fucking lol at your logic

[Drenica]

Keep dreaming, Macure and Drobnjaci were never been Albanians neither Vlachs.

If Macure were Albanian origin they should have genetic relatives in Albania/Kosovo, but the have genetic relatives in Ukraine, Greece, Slovakia, Czechia and Polans and not in Albania and Kosovo macure.net/en/Home#!Home/HomePage

Albanians/Vlachs with Goth ancestry :picard1::picard1::picard1::picard1::picard1:
Very funny, what is next Albanians/Vlachs with Scottish ancestry or Albanians/Vlachs with French ancestry...

Haplogoup I1-Z63 (Macure) and I1-P109 (Drobnjaci) are originated in northern Europe and have nothing to do with Albo-Vlachs, real Albo-Vlachs haplogroups are E1b, J2b2 and eastern R1b, deal with it.

Macure were Srbljaci (synonym for Serbs), they live were today live Vasojevići, and in 15th century Vasojevići came to Srbljaci land and expelled Srbljaci including Macure, after that Macure escaped in northern Dalmatia here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kistanje

Traditional meeting of Macure in Belgrade


https://youtu.be/bVNAzP64_z8

I explained to your Serbian brain that Macure do get Albanian relatives

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Dude chill out and forget what I said before you have an heart attack. I have Jewish populations on some of my 4-way oracles as well by the way, so mazal tov to both os us.

[Drenica]

Yh I think the near east is proxy for Neolithic whilst NE or NW Euro countries are WHG and my results constantly show that I am a mix of mainly Neolithic and WHG with a little amount of Steppe which you maybe carry more of which makes you more northern, as I have said before your plot is probably due to having less Neolithic and more WHG or Steppe and nothing to do with south Slavs. Albos from Montenegro like Chocolateface did take some Slav women but idk if it is so for his case and anyways he is 100% Albo afaik

Steppe peaks in Norwegians afaik. hunter gatherer is more common in north west europe and baltics. I get English, Dutch, German, Norwegian, Irish, etc while interesting enough you and ylla got more East. I dont know why its like that. But according to 23andme you also got northwest input.


Chocolateface also gets Norwegian etc on some calcs and he has really high steppe.

[Drenica]

Dude chill out and forget what I said before you have an heart attack. I have Jewish populations on some of my 4-way oracles as well by the way, so mazal tov to both os us.

Dude, im very chill actually. This is a discussion forum.

Getting Jewish on some retarded calc doesnt mean Jewish ancestry, i guess I must have german, dutch, English ancestry etc but heyyyyy meeeen i have jewish and south slav ancestry instead because thats more insulting to an Albanian.... ok whatever you say dude... , talk about lame trolling.. please for the love of god step up your game, as im not even trolling you.. this forum is lame when you cant even discuss genetics with people or history


The fucking calc gives me western countries compared to for example some other Albanians who seem more eastern but heyyyyyy i must be a slavvvvv meeeen hahahahaha great trolling dude, i am laughing dead.. not really... and no dude, these calcs dont mean shit , it just calculates basically the mixture you are based on those populations and doesnt mean actual ancestry ... its obvious im more western than eastern, dude... lmao

[kleenex]

For me not a very good calculator. My distance from first sample is pretty significant and not even sure where the Greek sample is from. On other calculators typically get Thessaly as a first population. This calculator does pull me West which is pretty consistent with other calculators.


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.23
2 Atlantic 19.69
3 West_Med 15.21
4 West_Asian 13.48
5 Baltic 11.49
6 North_Sea 10.38
7 Red_Sea 3.45
8 Eastern_Euro 2.92


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 6.417035
2 Italian_Abruzzo @ 7.320643
3 West_Sicilian @ 9.049511
4 Tuscan @ 9.050209
5 Central_Greek @ 9.394638
6 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.704196
7 East_Sicilian @ 10.059940
8 South_Italian @ 11.684049
9 Bulgarian @ 11.867763
10 Ashkenazi @ 12.106990
11 Romanian @ 14.551296
12 North_Italian @ 14.794969
13 Italian_Jewish @ 17.154823
14 Sephardic_Jewish @ 17.323004
15 Algerian_Jewish @ 18.497381
16 Serbian @ 18.658958
17 Tunisian_Jewish @ 21.981131
18 Spanish_Andalucia @ 22.395031
19 Spanish_Extremadura @ 22.846294
20 Spanish_Murcia @ 22.970371

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Italian_Abruzzo @ 5.288008


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% French_Basque +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.824267


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Greek + Iranian_Jewish @ 4.472631
2 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.504030
3 Bulgarian + Greek + Lebanese_Muslim + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.529099
4 Austrian + Greek + South_Italian + South_Italian @ 4.535923
5 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Greek + Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.550178
6 Bulgarian + Greek + Lebanese_Muslim + Spanish_Aragon @ 4.556534
7 Austrian + Italian_Abruzzo + South_Italian + South_Italian @ 4.658151
8 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Greek_Thessaly + Iranian_Jewish @ 4.696702
9 Assyrian + Bulgarian + French_Basque + Greek @ 4.701564
10 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Greek + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.717537
11 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.729703
12 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.734399
13 Assyrian + Bulgarian + Greek + Spanish_Aragon @ 4.750007
14 Bulgarian + Greek + Lebanese_Muslim + Southwest_French @ 4.750266
15 Bulgarian + Greek + Lebanese_Muslim + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.756169
16 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + French_Basque + Iranian_Jewish @ 4.782253
17 French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian @ 4.784722
18 Bulgarian + Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Sicilian @ 4.786828
19 Austrian + South_Italian + South_Italian + West_Sicilian @ 4.803299
20 Bulgarian + Greek + Lebanese_Muslim + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.814765

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Dude, im very chill actually. This is a discussion forum.

Getting Jewish on some retarded calc doesnt mean Jewish ancestry, i guess I must have german, dutch, English ancestry etc but heyyyyy meeeen i have jewish and south slav ancestry instead because thats more insulting to an Albanian.... ok whatever you say dude... , talk about lame trolling.. please for the love of god step up your game, as im not even trolling you.. this forum is lame when you cant even discuss genetics with people or history


The fucking calc gives me western countries compared to for example some other Albanians who seem more eastern but heyyyyyy i must be a slavvvvv meeeen hahahahaha great trolling dude, i am laughing dead.. not really... and no dude, these calcs dont mean shit , it just calculates basically the mixture you are based on those populations and doesnt mean actual ancestry ... its obvious im more western than eastern, dude... lmao

I don't get why that should be insulting to an Albanian. Serbian and Romanian appear on my top 20 clusters, I find it cool.

[kingjohn]

father

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Palestinian @ 3.528276


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Jordanian +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.274035


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Jordanian + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.274035
2 Lebanese_Druze + Palestinian + Spanish_Murcia + Turkish @ 2.365271
3 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + Palestinian + Southwest_French @ 2.373610

[Petalpusher]

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Ok breath, i said could have, like in theory, not that you must have a grand parent from somewhere else. Don't take it wrongly again but Albania is the size of a little region of a big country like Germany or France, im just always surprised to see theses kind of difference between people of the same small country, i understand there are some natural variation everywhere and even if people are from different "tribes", it's still a relatively small area... I find it surprising but interesting as well.

Besides, real inbreeding actually triggers the recombination's rate in all sorts of weird/detrimental ways and makes you drift away randomly from your kins, not closer, contrary to what people always think, it isn't cloning or twining. It can appear counter intuitive but populations with higher rate of inbreeding display faster natural genetic drifts.

[Drenica]

I don't get why that should be insulting to an Albanian. Serbian and Romanian appear on my top 20 clusters, I find it cool.

I dont get north slavic on any autosomal test but heyy man i should just accept some ancestry i dont have when its obviously im more western and get english, irish etc but i guess thats not an insult enough for you to tell me i might have such ancestry... pick the people we went at war with instead and who bombed our house.. i dont care if its cool or not, i just dont think i have such ancestry going by my genetic results but maybe north western european ancestry i have suspected before as petalpusher said but its quite common in some Albanians it almost seems.. and im not even sure if i do when not a single test has given me north west europe... i look at my genetic results to determine what ancestry that i have, if it showed obvious slavic ancestry on majority of them i would perfectly accept it but its not even the case dude. Just like I dont fully accept NW ancestry as it still really hasnt showed.


On myorigins2 , Dema gets like 19% East Europe and he even said they took Serbian wives.. while I get 100% South East yet he plots more south than me.


These autosomal tests arent total bullshit, a person with obvious slavic or northwest ancestry will absolutely show it in some of these if not most which you can see many examples for it.

Many of these gedmatch calcs and plotting maps dont go together with it at all. Itsobvious these calcs are scewed and results even vary based on what data you use




Ok breath, i said could have, like in theory, not that you must have a grand parent from somewhere else. Don't take it wrongly again but Albania is the size of a little region of a big country like Germany or France, im just surprised to see theses kind of difference between people of the same small country, i understand there are some natural variation everywhere and even if people are from different "tribes", it's still a relatively small area... I find it surprising but interesting as well.

Besides, real inbreeding actually triggers the recombination's rate in all sorts of weird/detrimental ways and makes you drift away randomly from your kins, not closer, contrary to what people always think, it isn't cloning or twining. It can appear counter intuitive but populations with higher rate of inbreeding display faster natural genetic drifts.

Many Albanians have been isolated until few hundred years ago... others are using kits with data from different companies where theres an obvious difference, especially livibgdna... im using ftdna

there is a large difference even among more Southern Albanians

maybe you should look at some autosomal results on this forum, see what Albanian seems purest or not , then take a look at plotting maps,and calcs and try to logically explain those things lol...


I got some of the purest autosomal results ive seen for any Albanian... i never got north west , north europe, north slavic, sardinian, ashkemazi etc .. i will do 23andme and that will be my last one... people with such obvious ancestry should easily get it atleast on some of these...

Im not from Albania but Kosovo. All my grandparents were Albanians. I know im paternally j2b2 and mothers paternal side ev13...Albanians could of come from many different areas of the balkans prior to the Roman empire collapsed and even absorbed different populations, not just northern but southern or maybe its as you say inbreeding shifted them from their own, who knows... i know my parents are not related. i wonder what you would say about the very Southern plotting Albanians like Era who gets sardinian if you compare her to a guy like ChocolateFace and how would you explain that as even her and that limaj plot more south and furthest away from the cluster on this forum together with some Northern Albanians who plot very North , im actually not an outcast there...Other than that, the difference is not that huge at all... or how about Dibran who for some odd reason gets Sardinian, Southwestern Europe on almost every autosomal test and plots very south. More northern Albanians dont get this Sardinian, Italian etc.

Foreign input in Albanians dont just come from the North from the looks of it.

And no, im not that north compared to Albanians like chocolateface and i can show you more like him ... or very Southern ones if you like... i think youve taken this way out of context and compared my results to one or few Albanians , they are not neccessarily closer to average Albanian than me if you wanna know... it depends on the pca maps that are being used and im far from an outcast

[Kelmendasi]

Kosovar Albanian match:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 7.858017
2 Bulgarian @ 8.357489
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.261179
4 Serbian @ 10.067049
5 Tuscan @ 10.278680
6 Greek @ 11.485444
7 North_Italian @ 12.110201
8 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.495903
9 Central_Greek @ 14.920409
10 West_Sicilian @ 15.040615
11 Ashkenazi @ 15.581485
12 East_Sicilian @ 15.741188
13 Austrian @ 17.751280
14 Moldavian @ 17.899136
15 Hungarian @ 18.226219
16 Portuguese @ 18.384001
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.484474
18 South_Italian @ 18.773899
19 Spanish_Extremadura @ 19.068371
20 French @ 19.074562

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_German +50% South_Italian @ 2.787776


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Serbian +25% West_German @ 1.624961


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + West_German @ 1.378355
2 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + North_Dutch @ 1.521030
3 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Norwegian @ 1.543253
4 Central_Greek + Greek + Greek + West_Norwegian @ 1.546073
5 Central_Greek + Greek + Romanian + West_German @ 1.576621
6 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Danish @ 1.606486
7 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + West_Norwegian @ 1.608991
8 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Serbian + West_German @ 1.624961
9 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + West_German @ 1.628780
10 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Danish + Romanian @ 1.633794
11 Italian_Abruzzo + Moldavian + South_Italian + West_German @ 1.648041
12 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + North_Dutch + Romanian @ 1.648600
13 Greek + Serbian + South_Italian + West_German @ 1.699037
14 Bulgarian + Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + West_German @ 1.708326
15 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Romanian + Southwest_English @ 1.714227
16 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 1.721038
17 Greek + Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Norwegian @ 1.726703
18 Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + West_German @ 1.726965
19 Central_Greek + Greek + Serbian + West_German @ 1.738787
20 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Serbian + South_Dutch @ 1.747831



Albo from Montenegro match(Hoti clan):
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 8.537058
2 Bulgarian @ 9.552084
3 Tuscan @ 11.496860
4 Romanian @ 12.191769
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.874350
6 Greek_Thessaly @ 13.116831
7 West_Sicilian @ 13.130096
8 North_Italian @ 14.043132
9 Central_Greek @ 15.128363
10 Serbian @ 15.330781
11 East_Sicilian @ 15.808401
12 Ashkenazi @ 16.548113
13 South_Italian @ 17.711828
14 Spanish_Andalucia @ 19.901411
15 Austrian @ 20.511583
16 Spanish_Valencia @ 20.932001
17 Spanish_Extremadura @ 20.950850
18 Spanish_Murcia @ 20.960859
19 Portuguese @ 21.480904
20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.570961

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% West_Sicilian @ 7.053857


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +25% French_Basque +25% Lithuanian @ 4.891913


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian + Russian_Smolensk @ 4.285316
2 French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Russian_Smolensk @ 4.318988
3 Cyprian + French_Basque + Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian @ 4.488064
4 Cyprian + French_Basque + Greek + Russian_Smolensk @ 4.500480
5 Belorussian + Cyprian + French_Basque + South_Italian @ 4.530983
6 Cyprian + French_Basque + Greek + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.544353
7 Cyprian + French_Basque + South_Italian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.579742
8 Cyprian + Estonian_Polish + French_Basque + South_Italian @ 4.582617
9 Cyprian + French_Basque + South_Italian + Southwest_Russian @ 4.597996
10 French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.609029
11 French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.631453
12 Belorussian + French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.655184
13 Estonian_Polish + French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.673483
14 Cyprian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + South_Italian @ 4.674191
15 Cyprian + French_Basque + Greek + Southwest_Russian @ 4.681346
16 Central_Greek + Cyprian + French_Basque + Russian_Smolensk @ 4.686832
17 French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian + Southwest_Russian @ 4.694612
18 Estonian_Polish + French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.709412
19 Cyprian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.750335
20 French_Basque + Greek + Russian_Smolensk + Samaritan @ 4.774548



Albo from Montenegro or Kosovo match(Kuqi clan judging by surname):
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 8.849669
2 Bulgarian @ 10.569206
3 Romanian @ 10.797940
4 Tuscan @ 13.386779
5 Greek @ 13.450748
6 Serbian @ 13.554079
7 North_Italian @ 15.171057
8 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.185827
9 Central_Greek @ 16.633110
10 Ashkenazi @ 16.912754
11 East_Sicilian @ 17.043474
12 West_Sicilian @ 17.661890
13 Moldavian @ 18.551128
14 Hungarian @ 18.977880
15 South_Italian @ 19.902914
16 Spanish_Galicia @ 20.394527
17 Austrian @ 20.522413
18 Croatian @ 20.531738
19 Portuguese @ 20.886477
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 22.101986

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% South_Italian @ 7.101491


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Hungarian @ 5.939967


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian @ 5.939967
2 East_German + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 6.193134
3 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Tuscan + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.257645
4 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 6.275087
5 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Tuscan @ 6.277085
6 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Swedish @ 6.479280
7 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + North_Italian @ 6.563378
8 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 6.598698
9 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.632626
10 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.642247
11 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian + Swedish @ 6.669111
12 Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + South_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.719611
13 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Swedish @ 6.724737
14 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 6.748499
15 Austrian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 6.749157
16 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Swedish @ 6.753762
17 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Dutch @ 6.757144
18 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.764987
19 Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian + Spanish_Galicia + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.768410
20 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Swedish @ 6.784332


Albo from Montenegro match(Gruda clan):
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 4.571172
2 Romanian @ 6.038427
3 Serbian @ 9.893946
4 Greek @ 11.290643
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 11.494946
6 Tuscan @ 13.571347
7 North_Italian @ 14.462726
8 Moldavian @ 15.416167
9 Austrian @ 15.751988
10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.172785
11 Croatian @ 16.265081
12 Hungarian @ 16.926010
13 West_Sicilian @ 17.573225
14 Central_Greek @ 17.606489
15 Ashkenazi @ 18.271513
16 East_Sicilian @ 18.366421
17 Portuguese @ 20.453077
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 20.677473
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.810013
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 20.996946

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Bulgarian @ 4.571172


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Lithuanian +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.568468


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
1 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.178915
2 Greek + Lithuanian + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.210546
3 Central_Greek + Greek + Lithuanian + North_Italian @ 3.297521
4 Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + North_Italian @ 3.302065
5 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.312305
6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.314298
7 Greek + Lithuanian + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 3.321558
8 Greek + Lithuanian + South_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.325710
9 Bulgarian + North_Italian + Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian @ 3.366174
10 East_Sicilian + Greek + Lithuanian + North_Italian @ 3.405923
11 Greek + Lithuanian + South_Italian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.429090
12 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.482069
13 Greek + Lithuanian + South_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.486643
14 Central_Greek + Greek + Lithuanian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.487180
15 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.516985
16 Greek + Lithuanian + South_Italian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.537136
17 Belorussian + Bulgarian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.556387
18 Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + Tuscan @ 3.564427
19 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.568468
20 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.585709

[Drenica]

Kosovar Albanian match:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 7.858017
2 Bulgarian @ 8.357489
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.261179
4 Serbian @ 10.067049
5 Tuscan @ 10.278680
6 Greek @ 11.485444
7 North_Italian @ 12.110201
8 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.495903
9 Central_Greek @ 14.920409
10 West_Sicilian @ 15.040615
11 Ashkenazi @ 15.581485
12 East_Sicilian @ 15.741188
13 Austrian @ 17.751280
14 Moldavian @ 17.899136
15 Hungarian @ 18.226219
16 Portuguese @ 18.384001
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.484474
18 South_Italian @ 18.773899
19 Spanish_Extremadura @ 19.068371
20 French @ 19.074562

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_German +50% South_Italian @ 2.787776


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Serbian +25% West_German @ 1.624961


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + West_German @ 1.378355
2 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + North_Dutch @ 1.521030
3 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Norwegian @ 1.543253
4 Central_Greek + Greek + Greek + West_Norwegian @ 1.546073
5 Central_Greek + Greek + Romanian + West_German @ 1.576621
6 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Danish @ 1.606486
7 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + West_Norwegian @ 1.608991
8 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Serbian + West_German @ 1.624961
9 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + West_German @ 1.628780
10 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Danish + Romanian @ 1.633794
11 Italian_Abruzzo + Moldavian + South_Italian + West_German @ 1.648041
12 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + North_Dutch + Romanian @ 1.648600
13 Greek + Serbian + South_Italian + West_German @ 1.699037
14 Bulgarian + Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + West_German @ 1.708326
15 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Romanian + Southwest_English @ 1.714227
16 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 1.721038
17 Greek + Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Norwegian @ 1.726703
18 Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + West_German @ 1.726965
19 Central_Greek + Greek + Serbian + West_German @ 1.738787
20 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Serbian + South_Dutch @ 1.747831



Albo from Montenegro match(Hoti clan):
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 8.537058
2 Bulgarian @ 9.552084
3 Tuscan @ 11.496860
4 Romanian @ 12.191769
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.874350
6 Greek_Thessaly @ 13.116831
7 West_Sicilian @ 13.130096
8 North_Italian @ 14.043132
9 Central_Greek @ 15.128363
10 Serbian @ 15.330781
11 East_Sicilian @ 15.808401
12 Ashkenazi @ 16.548113
13 South_Italian @ 17.711828
14 Spanish_Andalucia @ 19.901411
15 Austrian @ 20.511583
16 Spanish_Valencia @ 20.932001
17 Spanish_Extremadura @ 20.950850
18 Spanish_Murcia @ 20.960859
19 Portuguese @ 21.480904
20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.570961

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% West_Sicilian @ 7.053857


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +25% French_Basque +25% Lithuanian @ 4.891913


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian + Russian_Smolensk @ 4.285316
2 French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Russian_Smolensk @ 4.318988
3 Cyprian + French_Basque + Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian @ 4.488064
4 Cyprian + French_Basque + Greek + Russian_Smolensk @ 4.500480
5 Belorussian + Cyprian + French_Basque + South_Italian @ 4.530983
6 Cyprian + French_Basque + Greek + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.544353
7 Cyprian + French_Basque + South_Italian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.579742
8 Cyprian + Estonian_Polish + French_Basque + South_Italian @ 4.582617
9 Cyprian + French_Basque + South_Italian + Southwest_Russian @ 4.597996
10 French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.609029
11 French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.631453
12 Belorussian + French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.655184
13 Estonian_Polish + French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.673483
14 Cyprian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + South_Italian @ 4.674191
15 Cyprian + French_Basque + Greek + Southwest_Russian @ 4.681346
16 Central_Greek + Cyprian + French_Basque + Russian_Smolensk @ 4.686832
17 French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Christian + Southwest_Russian @ 4.694612
18 Estonian_Polish + French_Basque + Greek + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.709412
19 Cyprian + French_Basque + Lithuanian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.750335
20 French_Basque + Greek + Russian_Smolensk + Samaritan @ 4.774548



Albo from Montenegro or Kosovo match(Kuqi clan judging by surname):
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 8.849669
2 Bulgarian @ 10.569206
3 Romanian @ 10.797940
4 Tuscan @ 13.386779
5 Greek @ 13.450748
6 Serbian @ 13.554079
7 North_Italian @ 15.171057
8 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.185827
9 Central_Greek @ 16.633110
10 Ashkenazi @ 16.912754
11 East_Sicilian @ 17.043474
12 West_Sicilian @ 17.661890
13 Moldavian @ 18.551128
14 Hungarian @ 18.977880
15 South_Italian @ 19.902914
16 Spanish_Galicia @ 20.394527
17 Austrian @ 20.522413
18 Croatian @ 20.531738
19 Portuguese @ 20.886477
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 22.101986

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% South_Italian @ 7.101491


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Hungarian @ 5.939967


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian @ 5.939967
2 East_German + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 6.193134
3 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Tuscan + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.257645
4 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 6.275087
5 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Tuscan @ 6.277085
6 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Swedish @ 6.479280
7 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + North_Italian @ 6.563378
8 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 6.598698
9 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.632626
10 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.642247
11 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian + Swedish @ 6.669111
12 Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + South_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.719611
13 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Swedish @ 6.724737
14 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 6.748499
15 Austrian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 6.749157
16 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Swedish @ 6.753762
17 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Dutch @ 6.757144
18 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.764987
19 Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian + Spanish_Galicia + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.768410
20 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Swedish @ 6.784332


Albo from Montenegro match(Gruda clan):
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 4.571172
2 Romanian @ 6.038427
3 Serbian @ 9.893946
4 Greek @ 11.290643
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 11.494946
6 Tuscan @ 13.571347
7 North_Italian @ 14.462726
8 Moldavian @ 15.416167
9 Austrian @ 15.751988
10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.172785
11 Croatian @ 16.265081
12 Hungarian @ 16.926010
13 West_Sicilian @ 17.573225
14 Central_Greek @ 17.606489
15 Ashkenazi @ 18.271513
16 East_Sicilian @ 18.366421
17 Portuguese @ 20.453077
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 20.677473
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.810013
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 20.996946

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Bulgarian @ 4.571172


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Lithuanian +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.568468


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
1 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.178915
2 Greek + Lithuanian + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.210546
3 Central_Greek + Greek + Lithuanian + North_Italian @ 3.297521
4 Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + North_Italian @ 3.302065
5 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.312305
6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.314298
7 Greek + Lithuanian + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 3.321558
8 Greek + Lithuanian + South_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.325710
9 Bulgarian + North_Italian + Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian @ 3.366174
10 East_Sicilian + Greek + Lithuanian + North_Italian @ 3.405923
11 Greek + Lithuanian + South_Italian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.429090
12 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.482069
13 Greek + Lithuanian + South_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.486643
14 Central_Greek + Greek + Lithuanian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.487180
15 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.516985
16 Greek + Lithuanian + South_Italian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.537136
17 Belorussian + Bulgarian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.556387
18 Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + Tuscan @ 3.564427
19 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.568468
20 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.585709

They must have germanic / slavic ancestry maaan..lulz... some of them seem really northern for sure but they still dont get the English which I do but they do get dutch, Norwegian etc... doesnt look like im much of an outcast but whatever

[Kelmendasi]

They must have germanic / slavic ancestry maaan..lulz... some of them seem really northern for sure but they still dont get the English which I do but they do get dutch, Norwegian etc... doesnt look like im much of an outcast but whatever
Yh they are very northern on PCA but some are really west shifted iirc. Albos who have Slav ancestry plot with Serbs and some even more north than Serbs like one Albo who has a Montenegrin parent and plots even more north than Serbs iirc

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 5.005124
2 Greek @ 6.846009
3 Tuscan @ 8.620769
4 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.408084
5 Bulgarian @ 9.880145
6 Central_Greek @ 10.271635
7 West_Sicilian @ 11.095310
8 East_Sicilian @ 11.306149
9 Romanian @ 11.819324
10 Ashkenazi @ 12.119834
11 North_Italian @ 13.283547
12 South_Italian @ 13.614226
13 Serbian @ 15.369519
14 Italian_Jewish @ 18.472992
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 20.047937
16 Algerian_Jewish @ 20.169594
17 Portuguese @ 21.376919
18 Spanish_Extremadura @ 21.851929
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.862688
20 Moldavian @ 22.059235

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% South_Italian @ 4.439384


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% South_Italian +25% West_German @ 3.390451


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
1 Greek + Greek + South_Italian + West_German @ 3.390451
2 East_German + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.427011
3 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 3.477463
4 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Tuscan @ 3.516666
5 Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + South_Italian + West_Sicilian @ 3.568246
6 Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + South_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.639370
7 Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + North_Italian @ 3.641783
8 Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Romanian + South_Italian @ 3.649660
9 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 3.659659
10 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.675280
11 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian + West_German @ 3.698413
12 South_Italian + South_Italian + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 3.710142
13 East_German + Greek + South_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.710337
14 Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Italian_Abruzzo + South_Italian @ 3.721525
15 Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.726107
16 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 3.727380
17 Greek + Hungarian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.736330
18 Central_Greek + Hungarian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.736520
19 Central_Greek + East_German + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian @ 3.738524
20 Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.753282

[The Illyrian Warrior]

compared to other albanians i have a strong lebanese shift:D

You're right, now do a belly dancing for us.

[Drenica]

Yh they are very northern on PCA but some are really west shifted iirc. Albos who have Slav ancestry plot with Serbs and some even more north than Serbs like one Albo who has a Montenegrin parent and plots even more north than Serbs iirc

They must have recent slav ancestry then

It depends on Serbian average that is being used as some Serb average is very south like Montenigrin while some more north.. same with bulgarian , romanian etc... first guy i can see is very north west and almost similar to me maybe not sure but you could add him on this map if you want, i dont remember what calc but i will find it

https://image.ibb.co/h11Mwa/ali_pasha.png

[Gangrel]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.822916


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% French_Basque +25% Tuscan @ 2.359031


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Danish + French_Basque + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.206535
2 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.226156
3 French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.282824
4 Danish + French_Basque + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.322161
5 Danish + Danish + French_Basque + Tuscan @ 2.359031
6 French_Basque + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 2.367908
7 Danish + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 2.397547
8 Danish + French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.405620
9 French_Basque + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.413806
10 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.466411
11 Danish + French_Basque + Orcadian + West_Sicilian @ 2.467177
12 French_Basque + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.468765
13 French_Basque + Tuscan + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.471630
14 French_Basque + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.482181
15 North_German + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish @ 2.483087
16 French_Basque + Irish + West_Norwegian + West_Sicilian @ 2.485676
17 North_German + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish @ 2.486142
18 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.489488
19 Irish + North_German + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.494688
20 French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian + West_Sicilian @ 2.501492

Can I take your dislike virginity

[Nurzat]

me:
50% Bulgarian +50% South_Polish @ 3.921532
50% Bulgarian +25% Croatian +25% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.001152

Romanian friend #1:
50% Central_Greek +50% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.715623
50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Turkish +25% Tuscan @ 3.992666

Romanian friend #2
50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Southwest_Russian @ 2.864319
50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Kargopol_Russian +25% Lithuanian @ 2.209975

Romanians are basically half Greek half Russian, or half Old Balkan half Old East Slavic

I got Bulgarian on another Oracle, at MDLP K23b, but my other half was Lapp xD :
50% Bulgarian_ +50% Swede_Saami_ @ 2.543303
50% Frisian_ +25% Russian_Center_ +25% Turk_ @ 1.469234

[Drenica]

Yh they are very northern on PCA but some are really west shifted iirc. Albos who have Slav ancestry plot with Serbs and some even more north than Serbs like one Albo who has a Montenegrin parent and plots even more north than Serbs iirc


The map i used was eutest

You can add them and see where they plot

[Kelmendasi]

They must have recent slav ancestry then

It depends on Serbian average that is being used as some Serb average is very south like Montenigrin while some more north.. same with bulgarian , romanian etc... first guy i can see is very north west and almost similar to me maybe not sure but you could add him on this map if you want, i dont remember what calc but i will find it

[IG]https://image.ibb.co/h11Mwa/ali_pasha.png[/IMG]
His plot on K15
https://s26.postimg.org/t54l2z1sp/image_55.png

[Drenica]

His plot on K15
https://s26.postimg.org/t54l2z1sp/image_55.png

Thats almost identical to me but not sure, im more western maybe

http://i68.tinypic.com/s3kaqw.jpg


Should of added those dudes to this map, chocolateface etc


The average for different populations like south slavs on k15 is different than on eutest... serbs, bulgarians etc are more Southern here while Croatian very Northern ...

[Kelmendasi]

Thats almost identical to me but not sure, im more western maybe

http://i68.tinypic.com/s3kaqw.jpg


Should of added those dudes to this map, chocolateface etc
Yh will do :). He is slightly more NE shifted than you. Can you send me chocolateface's kit number on rep or something?

[Drenica]

Yh will do :). He is slightly more NE shifted than you. Can you send me chocolateface's kit number on rep or something?

Damn, i had both his and pjeter pans kit nr but lost them... ask them both on pm and ylu can add them later but would be cool if you added those albos on that k15 and on that eutest or that other map i posted where already me and chocolateface are, didnt dibrans friend also plot very north, an Albo from Montenegro? But add them on k15

[Kelmendasi]

Damn, i had both his and pjeter pans kit nr but lost them... ask them both on pm and ylu can add them later but would be cool if you added those albos on that k15 and on that eutest or that other map i posted where already me and chocolateface are, didnt dibrans friend also plot very north, an Albo from Montenegro? But add them on k15
All Albos from Montenegro plot really north but idk his kit number although he did plot north iirc. Idk how to do the EU test pca but will do the K15 pca

[Kelmendasi]

Damn, i had both his and pjeter pans kit nr but lost them... ask them both on pm and ylu can add them later but would be cool if you added those albos on that k15 and on that eutest or that other map i posted where already me and chocolateface are, didnt dibrans friend also plot very north, an Albo from Montenegro? But add them on k15
Their K15 plot:
https://s26.postimg.org/d4l6hhiop/image_56.png

[Drenica]

Their K15 plot:
https://s26.postimg.org/d4l6hhiop/image_56.png

Is it possible to add them on same map as those others?

Seems im in the middle of them or next to those two dots

http://i68.tinypic.com/s3kaqw.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

Is it possible to add them on same map as those others?

Seems im in the middle of them or next to those two dots

[IM]http://i68.tinypic.com/s3kaqw.jpg[/IMG]

https://s26.postimg.org/ivfy8yg2h/image_57.png

[Drenica]

https://s26.postimg.org/ivfy8yg2h/image_57.png

Yep as i thought .. chocolateface is probably even more Northern maybe than that dude north of me

[Deniz]

Grandfather

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Bulgarian @ 5.817162


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Turkish @ 4.014905


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
1 Austrian + Greek + Russian_Smolensk + Turkish @ 3.803552
2 Croatian + Russian_Smolensk + Turkish + West_Sicilian @ 3.857347
3 Estonian_Polish + Greek + Romanian + Turkish @ 3.960866
4 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek + Turkish @ 3.980745
5 Greek + Russian_Smolensk + Serbian + Turkish @ 3.983270
6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Greek + Turkish @ 4.008784
7 Austrian + Estonian_Polish + South_Italian + Turkish @ 4.013195
8 Belorussian + Greek + Romanian + Turkish @ 4.013335
9 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Russian_Smolensk + Turkish @ 4.014905
10 Austrian + Greek + Turkish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.030517
11 Austrian + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Turkish @ 4.034306
12 Greek + Romanian + Russian_Smolensk + Turkish @ 4.035275
13 Bulgarian + Greek + La_Brana-1 + Turkish @ 4.050387
14 Croatian + Croatian + Greek + Turkish @ 4.106641
15 Belorussian + Croatian + Turkish + West_Sicilian @ 4.113279
16 Estonian_Polish + Greek + Serbian + Turkish @ 4.115112
17 Belorussian + Greek + Serbian + Turkish @ 4.115908
18 Croatian + Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian + Turkish @ 4.117849
19 Croatian + Southwest_Russian + Turkish + West_Sicilian @ 4.123576
20 Croatian + Turkish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Sicilian @ 4.136069

Done.

Elapsed time 1.6416

Mother


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Bulgarian @ 6.307508


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Lithuanian +25% Nogay @ 3.406277


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
1 Belorussian + Greek + Nogay + West_Sicilian @ 2.657527
2 Cyprian + Lithuanian + Nogay + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.690034
3 Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + Nogay + West_Sicilian @ 2.817286
4 Lebanese_Muslim + Lithuanian + Nogay + Southwest_French @ 2.828003
5 Greek + Nogay + Russian_Smolensk + West_Sicilian @ 2.831414
6 Greek + Lithuanian + Nogay + West_Sicilian @ 2.886963
7 Lithuanian + Nogay + West_Sicilian + West_Sicilian @ 2.913883
8 Cyprian + Lithuanian + Nogay + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.917031
9 Cyprian + Lithuanian + Nogay + Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.923337
10 Cyprian + Lithuanian + Nogay + Southwest_French @ 2.936225
11 Estonian_Polish + Greek + Nogay + West_Sicilian @ 2.946513
12 Lebanese_Muslim + Lithuanian + Nogay + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.963693
13 Belorussian + Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Nogay @ 2.979224
14 Cyprian + Lithuanian + Nogay + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.018503
15 Lebanese_Christian + Lithuanian + Nogay + Southwest_French @ 3.025532
16 Cyprian + Lithuanian + Nogay + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.063355
17 Greek + Nogay + Polish + West_Sicilian @ 3.088380
18 Lebanese_Muslim + Lithuanian + Nogay + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.113112
19 Greek + Nogay + Russian_Smolensk + Tuscan @ 3.113707
20 Cyprian + Lithuanian + Nogay + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.124977

Done.

Elapsed time 1.3886 seconds.

Father

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.940207


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +25% Tatar +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.937454


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 Erzya + Greek + Greek + Turkish @ 4.166312
2 Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek + Turkish @ 4.341524
3 Bulgarian + Erzya + Georgian_Jewish + Greek @ 4.389073
4 Azeri + Erzya + Greek + Greek @ 4.452043
5 Croatian + Cyprian + Erzya + Turkish @ 4.463691
6 Assyrian + Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek @ 4.480687
7 Armenian + Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek @ 4.556793
8 Cyprian + South_Italian + Tatar + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.677971
9 Azeri + Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek @ 4.695949
10 Erzya + Georgian_Jewish + Greek + Romanian @ 4.711421
11 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Erzya + Turkish @ 4.713388
12 Assyrian + Erzya + Greek + Romanian @ 4.714435
13 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Tatar + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.718818
14 Cyprian + Erzya + Moldavian + Turkish @ 4.751598
15 Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek + Kurdish @ 4.805258
16 Assyrian + Croatian + Greek + Tatar @ 4.806720
17 Erzya + Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Turkish @ 4.807556
18 Assyrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Erzya @ 4.807763
19 Assyrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Chuvash @ 4.867943
20 Cyprian + South_Italian + Southwest_Russian + Tatar @ 4.872454

Done.

Elapsed time
Me

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Smolensk +50% Turkish @ 7.662053


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Kargopol_Russian +25% Turkish @ 6.174855


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian + Greek + Kargopol_Russian + Turkish @ 5.978648
2 Bulgarian + Greek + Russian_Smolensk + Turkish @ 6.032700
3 Bulgarian + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Turkish @ 6.112293
4 Azeri + Bulgarian + Greek + Russian_Smolensk @ 6.115084
5 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek + Turkish @ 6.144492
6 Belorussian + Greek + Nogay + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.170030
7 Greek + Greek + Kargopol_Russian + Turkish @ 6.174855
8 Estonian_Polish + Greek + Nogay + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.195002
9 Azeri + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek @ 6.196192
10 Austrian + Cyprian + Estonian_Polish + Turkish @ 6.214022
11 Bulgarian + Greek + Turkish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.217249
12 Estonian_Polish + Greek + Nogay + Tunisian_Jewish @ 6.231392
13 Azeri + Estonian_Polish + Greek + Greek @ 6.231436
14 Estonian_Polish + Greek + Greek + Turkish @ 6.233547
15 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Greek + Turkish @ 6.233548
16 Belorussian + Greek + Nogay + Tunisian_Jewish @ 6.240596
17 Bulgarian + Erzya + Turkish + West_Sicilian @ 6.244123
18 Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Tunisian_Jewish + Turkish @ 6.267061
19 Greek + Nogay + Russian_Smolensk + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.292002
20 Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek + Turkish @ 6.292786

Done.

Elapsed time 1.9759 seconds.

[Kelmendasi]

Yep as i thought .. chocolateface is probably even more Northern maybe than that dude north of me
The guy who plots above you is that J1 Albo from Gruda(Dinoša/Dinosha village) and hes is 100% Malsor Albo with his maternal side being the Bajraktars of Hoti, he is more southern than chocolateface as I remember that Ibericus made a PAC with him and chocolateface and chocolateface was slightly more northern

[kleenex]

1 50% Cyprian +50% Hungarian @ 4.388637

I know that you and I come from the same part of the Peloponnese what's your impression of this calculator?

[Сербо Макеридов]

I explained to your Serbian brain that Macure do get Albanian relatives

I hear that for the first time, even if that's true, it means that Albanians which are I1-Z63 have a Serbian paternal origine because Macure were know in Middle Age as Srbljaci which is synonym for Serbs.

[Dick]

I hear that for the first time, even if that's true, it means that Albanians which are I1-Z63 have a Serbian paternal origine because Macure were know in Middle Age as Srbljaci which is synonym for Serbs.

Macure subclade is downstream from a Belarussian, probably gothic in origin but came with slavic migrations i suppose.

https://i.imgur.com/8GdGxs8.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

I hear that for the first time, even if that's true, it means that Albanians which are I1-Z63 have a Serbian paternal origine because Macure were know in Middle Age as Srbljaci which is synonym for Serbs.
No that's like saying that their German matches are of Serb origin. Z63 is Germanic and was brought to the Balkans via Goths( Visigoths, Ostrogoths etc) and other Germanic tribes like the Vandals. So both Serbs and Albos who have this haplogroup are of Germanic paternal origin

[Kelmendasi]

Macure subclade is downstream from a Belarussian, probably gothic in origin but came with slavic migrations i suppose.

[ig]https://i.imgur.com/8GdGxs8.jpg[/img]
Could be directly from Ostrogoths as they had a kingdom that included Croatia or the Visigoths as they migrated through the Balkans although it is possible that it came with Slavic migrations

[Dick]

Could be directly from Ostrogoths as they had a kingdom that included Croatia or the Visigoths as they migrated through the Balkans although it is possible that it came with Slavic migrations

Either way Macure have their own subclade, related to no other family but themselves.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Macure subclade came with slavic migrations

This is probably true.

[Lavrentis]

Yh Vlachs of Norman ancestry as most belong to P109

Vlachs having Norman ancestry? That's the first time I'm hearing about that.

[MsSPF]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Mozabite_Berber +50% Mozabite_Berber @ 7.431489


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Mozabite_Berber +25% Mozabite_Berber +25% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.609960


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.609960
2 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian @ 5.806848
3 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Aragon @ 5.949088
4 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.984173
5 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Aragon + Tunisian @ 5.990492
6 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.003183
7 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Valencia @ 6.003423
8 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Tunisian @ 6.073532
9 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian @ 6.158428
10 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Valencia + Tunisian @ 6.218807
11 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Aragon @ 6.274667
12 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Aragon + Tunisian @ 6.286569
13 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Murcia @ 6.316622
14 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.325348
15 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Valencia @ 6.333530
16 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.358614
17 Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian + Tunisian @ 6.409046
18 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Tunisian @ 6.414796
19 Algerian + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.417380
20 Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Aragon + Tunisian + Tunisian @ 6.445049

[Kelmendasi]

Vlachs having Norman ancestry? That's the first time I'm hearing about that.
Not all of them. Just the one she that have I1-P109

[Lavrentis]

Macedonians and Bulgarians got a lot of native Balkan blood.. even the Balkan on dna land includes Bulgarians. Some Romanians, Bulgarians etc plot even more North on other pca. How does this imply Slavic ancestry when even that other calc shows more north west european countries? On rep comment youre harassing me about being Jewish apparently, your trolling is so lame dude. Greeks have always been more Southern than Albanians. Youre just cherrypicking the pca map , Albanians plot more East than Italians.... im just slightly north than Albanian average there. on this map i plot just slight north west of Albanian average

https://image.ibb.co/h11Mwa/ali_pasha.png

Here it actually looks like i plot closer to Italians and im obviously North Western shifted and very close to Albanian average same time

As you can see, average Romanian and Macedonian is even more North here as I told you it depends on the PCA map and the average being used...

How could I possibly be closer to Slavs on that map dude?? When I obviously am western shifted and get western countries more than anything else.. i wonder what you'd think about Albanians who are actually getting more Slavic countries...


If i was originally very eastern shifted but some extra west european ancestry would pull me more west and end up with some south slavs does that imply slavic ancestry? Lol. And no you idiot, i dont plot with south slavs there, i wonder what you think about chocolateface. even some montenigrins on pca plot close to North Albanians.

No theres no big deal about it , i just get more Germanic matches than Slavic and Ghegs have more I1 from Goths than I2a1b and r1a from Slavs , including one of the tribes im from where a guy tested for I1 meaning they most likely joined the tribe as the founder was a j2b2 and i match on autosomal other I1 Balkanites and Albanians and we share Germanic matches .. this is why i thought before I had Germanic ancestry but no autosomal test has so far shown this as Goths came very early and its not something foreign for Albanians actually, I just disagreed that its recent or something foreign, thats all. I can perfectly accept it if true.

Neither is the region where im from known for Slavic ancestry but there is for sure Germanic input going by dna tests ive seen. But this exists even in other Albanians on this forum as we have seen from autosomal tests so nothing to do with plotting north etc. Ghegs actually have more Germanic input. Whats wrong with us having Germanic ancestry? Many of my relatives look Germanic rather than Slavic which is why I never identified with Slavs. Serbs etc look very different.

If my j2b2 and ev13 ancestors cucked some slavs then so be it but when Albania/Kosovo was invaded by Slavs, Albanians had already absorbed Goths and were living isolated in mountains.

Youre just a butthurt Moor calling me Jew or anything that is insulting rofllllllll but seems like you got triggered and im cool as always presenting you facts... not to mention youre OWD as fuck like a major part of your countrymen with obvious SSA and Moor ancestry

I get more english and germanic on that calc than jew or Slav but its not insulting for an OWD like you..

What a retarded Nordic wannabe. You are honestly talking out of your ass and exposing yourself.

There is no recorded Germanic/Gothic migration to Albania but half of Albania had Slavic toponyms.

Honestly, what you wrote now is the desperation of a Balkan redneck trying to associate his people with 'teh Vikingz'.

"Ghegs have more Germanic input", "Albanians aborbed Goths", where is the proof for all that?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Vlachs having Norman ancestry? That's the first time I'm hearing about that.

AnaLbanian monkeys are jealous because Serbs have highest percentage of I1 haplogroup, and they talk nonsense that Serbs which are I1 are AlbaLbanian and Vlach origin. :picard1:

[Drenica]

I hear that for the first time, even if that's true, it means that Albanians which are I1-Z63 have a Serbian paternal origine because Macure were know in Middle Age as Srbljaci which is synonym for Serbs.

Goths settled in Balkans before Slavs.

Macure used to be Vlachs in Montenegro. By the middle ages they had already been Serbianised and migrated into Bosnia. For sure did not come with Slavic migrations. There are even Gothic loanwords in Albanian language and me and a Macure even share Germanic matches. Not a single Slavic match we share which is why I thought before I had Germanic ancestry but seems many Albs do. I'll screen shot it right now for you.. Macure also match other Albanians.

[Kelmendasi]

Albanian monkeys are jealous because Serbs have highest percentage of I1 happlogroup, and talk nonsense that Serbs which are I1 are Albanian ans Vlach origin. :picard1:
I didn't say all Vlachs, read properly. Who cares if you have the most I1? The Serbs with I1 are Germanic in origin

[Сербо Макеридов]

I didn't say all Vlachs read properly. Who cares if you have the most I1? The Serbs with I1 are Germanic in origin

Drenica claims that Serbs with I1 haplogroup are Albanian and Vlach origin, and that is nonsense.

[Lavrentis]

AnaLbanian monkeys are jealous because Serbs have highest percentage of I1 haplogroup, and they talk nonsense that Serbs which are I1 are AlbaLbanian and Vlach origin. :picard1:

I don't take sides, but this Albanian dude 'Drenica' is a Germanic wannabe tbh

[Dick]

This is probably true.

the name Macura is from Masuria or Mazur region of Poland. Mazura is a Polish surname too.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Prusy_historyczne.png

[Lavrentis]

There are even Gothic loanwords in Albanian language

Sources? It will be interesting to know more about this

[Kelmendasi]

What a retarded Nordic wannabe. You are honestly talking out of your ass and exposing yourself.

There is no recorded Germanic/Gothic migration to Albania but half of Albania had Slavic toponyms.

Honestly, what you wrote now is the desperation of a Balkan redneck trying to associate his people with 'teh Vikingz'.

"Ghegs have more Germanic input", "Albanians aborbed Goths", where is the proof for all that?
He does have a point, all I1 in Albania except one I1-L22 which is Norman is Z63 which is linked with Goths and other Germanic tribes. visigoths migrated through Albania.

[Сербо Макеридов]

I don't take sides, but this Albanian dude 'Drenica' is a Germanic wannabe tbh

Drenica worship Germanic people, and he probably has typical Albo-Vlach haplogroup E-V13, J2b2 or eastern R1b.

[Сербо Макеридов]

the name Macura is from Masuria or Mazur region of Poland. Mazura is a Polish surname too.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Prusy_historyczne.png

True.

Surname Macura/Macurski also exist in Poland.

[Kelmendasi]

Sources? It will be interesting to know more about this
Its true for example our word "tirq" comes from a Gothic word for breeches. "Some Gothic loanwords were borrowed through Late Latin, while others came from the Ostrogothic expansion into parts of Praevalitana around Nakšić and the Gulf of Kotor in Montenegro.

fat; "groom, husband" < Goth brūþfaþs "bridegroom"[99]
horr; "scoundrel", horrë; "hussy, whore" < Goth hors "adulterer", *hora "whore"[citation needed]
shkulkë; "boundary marker for pastures made of branches" < Late Latin sculca < Goth skulka "guardian"[citation needed]
shkumë; "foam" < Late Latin < Goth skūma[citation needed]
tirq; "trousers" < Late Latin tubrucus < Goth *þiobrok "knee-britches"; cf. OHG dioh-bruoh, Eng thigh, breeches[citation needed]"

[Lavrentis]

He does have a point, all I1 in Albania except one I1-L22 which is Norman is Z63 which is linked with Goths and other Germanic tribes. visigoths migrated through Albania.

He said some things that don't make sense. Or he didn't source them.

[Lavrentis]

Its true for example our word "tirq" comes from a Gothic word for breeches. "Some Gothic loanwords were borrowed through Late Latin, while others came from the Ostrogothic expansion into parts of Praevalitana around Nakšić and the Gulf of Kotor in Montenegro.

fat; "groom, husband" < Goth brūþfaþs "bridegroom"[99]
horr; "scoundrel", horrë; "hussy, whore" < Goth hors "adulterer", *hora "whore"[citation needed]
shkulkë; "boundary marker for pastures made of branches" < Late Latin sculca < Goth skulka "guardian"[citation needed]
shkumë; "foam" < Late Latin < Goth skūma[citation needed]
tirq; "trousers" < Late Latin tubrucus < Goth *þiobrok "knee-britches"; cf. OHG dioh-bruoh, Eng thigh, breeches[citation needed]"

But weren't they borrowed from Venetians, since it says Late Latin? In Greek islands there are Venetian and other Italian loanwords who are probably going to be found in the Gothic language too.

[Kelmendasi]

But weren't they borrowed from Venetians, since it says Late Latin? In Greek islands there are Venetian and other Italian loanwords who are probably going to be found in the Gothic language too.
Not necessarily as some didn't come from Gothic loan words in late Latin for example "Tirq". Anyways these words are of Gothic origin and probably spread by the Ostrogoths who probably put some Gothic words in Latin as they started speaking Latin later on and conquered some of the Balkans

[Dibran]

My Results:

Ancestry:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Tuscan @ 6.588394


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Moldavian +25% Sardinian @ 5.067045


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++
1 Assyrian + East_German + Greek_Thessaly + Sardinian @ 4.728332


23andme:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Tuscan @ 7.179338


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Moldavian +25% Sardinian @ 4.750075


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++
1 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Moldavian + Sardinian @ 4.750075


LivingDNA:


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 8.223285


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Sardinian @ 7.013580


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Sardinian @ 5.957054

FTDNA:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Tuscan @ 7.314105


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Moldavian +25% Sardinian @ 4.913344


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Moldavian + Sardinian @ 4.913344


Father:


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Greek @ 4.790376


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Cyprian +25% Sardinian @ 4.109517


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
1 Cyprian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + South_Italian @ 3.643088


Albanian Friend From Montenegro:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Bulgarian @ 6.321587


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Sardinian @ 5.977712


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
1 Adygei + Greek + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 4.336771

[Drenica]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macure

[Coolguy1]

I know that you and I come from the same part of the Peloponnese what's your impression of this calculator?

I would say its good, but I prefer eurogenes k36 because of more components. A test is only as good as its reference populations.

[Drenica]

Macure subclade is downstream from a Belarussian, probably gothic in origin but came with slavic migrations i suppose.

https://i.imgur.com/8GdGxs8.jpg

Albanians who are I1 belong to ancestral clade of Macura like I-y16437 and formed 2200 years ago. Y16437 was in the Balkans before Slavs most likely.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8002-Map-of-Slavic-y-dna-in-Greece-compiled-by-user-Passa/page15

[MysteriousWays]

*Very poor fits*

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurdish_Jewish +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.408911


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Muslim +25% Spanish_Valencia +25% West_Sicilian @ 4.251502


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Azeri + French_Basque + Lebanese_Druze + Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.966011
2 Ashkenazi + French_Basque + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.248455
3 French_Basque + Jordanian + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish @ 3.291992
4 French_Basque + Lebanese_Druze + Palestinian + Turkish @ 3.358918
5 French_Basque + Kurdish + Palestinian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.372267
6 Ashkenazi + French_Basque + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.390777
7 French_Basque + Lebanese_Druze + Tunisian_Jewish + Turkish @ 3.404593
8 Azeri + French_Basque + Lebanese_Druze + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.409549
9 French_Basque + Italian_Jewish + Kurdish + Palestinian @ 3.466885
10 French_Basque + Kurdish + Lebanese_Druze + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.477098
11 Azeri + French_Basque + Palestinian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.480103
12 Azeri + Cyprian + French_Basque + Palestinian @ 3.511792
13 Azeri + French_Basque + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.520836
14 French_Basque + Kurdish + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.530630
15 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + Kurdish + Palestinian @ 3.570141
16 French_Basque + Iranian + Lebanese_Druze + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.573579
17 Ashkenazi + Assyrian + French_Basque + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.581511
18 Algerian_Jewish + Azeri + French_Basque + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.599235
19 Azeri + French_Basque + Lebanese_Christian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.638844
20 Azeri + Palestinian + Sephardic_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.644903

[alnortedelsur]

Mine (from my 23AndMe raw data):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 26.47
2 West_Med 16.24
3 North_Sea 14.42
4 East_Med 13.39
5 Amerindian 6.25
6 Sub-Saharan 5.39
7 Baltic 4.32
8 Eastern_Euro 4.28
9 West_Asian 4.26
10 Red_Sea 3.12
11 Northeast_African 1.45


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.230181
2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 11.296384
3 North_Italian @ 11.662330
4 Spanish_Andalucia @ 12.072586
5 Portuguese @ 12.362797
6 Spanish_Valencia @ 12.559561
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.580061
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 13.065522
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.300130
10 Spanish_Galicia @ 14.104821
11 Tuscan @ 14.809961
12 Spanish_Aragon @ 15.180171
13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.279373
14 Southwest_French @ 16.326628
15 French @ 17.979815
16 West_Sicilian @ 19.426035
17 Serbian @ 20.051662
18 Romanian @ 20.408453
19 Italian_Abruzzo @ 20.534224
20 Bulgarian @ 20.595810

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +50% French_Basque @ 9.721892


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Andalucia +25% Tunisian +25% West_Scottish @ 8.293398


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Irish + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.677182
2 French_Basque + Tunisian + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 7.710123
3 French_Basque + Southeast_English + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.750524
4 French_Basque + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Tunisian @ 7.757102
5 Danish + French_Basque + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.758841
6 French_Basque + North_German + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.781019
7 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 7.782220
8 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 7.800812
9 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + North_German + West_Sicilian @ 7.808535
10 French_Basque + Orcadian + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.817536
11 French_Basque + Irish + Mozabite_Berber + West_Sicilian @ 7.827975
12 French_Basque + Greek + Irish + Tunisian @ 7.838893
13 French_Basque + Greek + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 7.844283
14 French_Basque + Greek + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 7.844812
15 Danish + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + West_Sicilian @ 7.846849
16 French_Basque + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Mozabite_Berber @ 7.848924
17 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 7.868407
18 French_Basque + Greek + Orcadian + Tunisian @ 7.872989
19 Danish + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Tunisian @ 7.875495
20 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Mozabite_Berber + Southeast_English @ 7.878300

[firemonkey]

Phased kit with father.


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 9.681667
2 West_Scottish @ 9.917458
3 Orcadian @ 10.310330
4 Southeast_English @ 10.893320
5 Southwest_English @ 11.646657
6 North_Dutch @ 12.257643
7 Danish @ 13.127329
8 West_Norwegian @ 14.679725
9 North_German @ 15.070918
10 Norwegian @ 15.722283
11 Swedish @ 16.772266
12 South_Dutch @ 17.128925
13 West_German @ 18.649570
14 French @ 20.087238
15 North_Swedish @ 21.100183
16 East_German @ 24.291597
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 26.115301
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 26.176266
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 27.020449
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 27.236803

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 9.681667


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Orcadian @ 9.635786


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 9.635786
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 9.681667
3 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 9.706701
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 9.718001
5 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 9.731590
6 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 9.769581
7 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 9.792450
8 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 9.836168
9 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 9.839844
10 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 9.889594
11 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 9.892642
12 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 9.917458
13 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 9.922065
14 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 9.957638
15 Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 9.958818
16 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 9.959001
17 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 9.962990
18 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 9.963019
19 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 9.980049
20 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 9.996551

[firemonkey]

Just for curiosity-evil twin. Not sure what it means(if anything) .

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 6.934377
2 Southwest_English @ 7.151785
3 South_Dutch @ 7.340074
4 Southeast_English @ 7.763644
5 North_German @ 7.866361
6 North_Dutch @ 8.106726
7 Danish @ 8.625332
8 Irish @ 8.881914
9 Orcadian @ 9.183578
10 West_Scottish @ 9.308319
11 French @ 10.499516
12 Norwegian @ 10.832816
13 Swedish @ 11.643428
14 West_Norwegian @ 12.171702
15 East_German @ 14.007845
16 North_Swedish @ 14.277005
17 Hungarian @ 18.234888
18 Austrian @ 18.353600
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.729097
20 Southwest_Finnish @ 18.910881

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% West_German @ 5.546168


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% Orcadian +25% Romanian @ 5.044124


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French + North_German + Orcadian + West_German @ 5.043052
2 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Romanian @ 5.044124
3 North_German + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 5.074980
4 French + North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_German @ 5.164692
5 North_German + Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.166763
6 French + French + Orcadian + Swedish @ 5.211357
7 North_German + Orcadian + Portuguese + Swedish @ 5.218084
8 Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_German + West_German @ 5.218824
9 North_German + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 5.257198
10 North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.262241
11 Bulgarian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 5.265649
12 Danish + French + Orcadian + West_German @ 5.269311
13 Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_German @ 5.283887
14 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 5.288805
15 French + Orcadian + Swedish + West_German @ 5.289363
16 North_German + Orcadian + West_German + West_German @ 5.297586
17 North_Italian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 5.297713
18 Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 5.302382
19 French + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German @ 5.303303
20 French + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Swedish @ 5.312900

[alnortedelsur]

With my 23AndMe Kit:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 26.47
2 West_Med 16.24
3 North_Sea 14.42
4 East_Med 13.39
5 Amerindian 6.25
6 Sub-Saharan 5.39
7 Baltic 4.32
8 Eastern_Euro 4.28
9 West_Asian 4.26
10 Red_Sea 3.12
11 Northeast_African 1.45


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.230181
2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 11.296384
3 North_Italian @ 11.662330
4 Spanish_Andalucia @ 12.072586
5 Portuguese @ 12.362797
6 Spanish_Valencia @ 12.559561
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.580061
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 13.065522
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.300130
10 Spanish_Galicia @ 14.104821
11 Tuscan @ 14.809961
12 Spanish_Aragon @ 15.180171
13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.279373
14 Southwest_French @ 16.326628
15 French @ 17.979815
16 West_Sicilian @ 19.426035
17 Serbian @ 20.051662
18 Romanian @ 20.408453
19 Italian_Abruzzo @ 20.534224
20 Bulgarian @ 20.595810

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +50% French_Basque @ 9.721892


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Andalucia +25% Tunisian +25% West_Scottish @ 8.293398


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Irish + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.677182
2 French_Basque + Tunisian + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 7.710123
3 French_Basque + Southeast_English + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.750524
4 French_Basque + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Tunisian @ 7.757102
5 Danish + French_Basque + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.758841
6 French_Basque + North_German + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.781019
7 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 7.782220
8 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 7.800812
9 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + North_German + West_Sicilian @ 7.808535
10 French_Basque + Orcadian + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.817536
11 French_Basque + Irish + Mozabite_Berber + West_Sicilian @ 7.827975
12 French_Basque + Greek + Irish + Tunisian @ 7.838893
13 French_Basque + Greek + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 7.844283
14 French_Basque + Greek + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 7.844812
15 Danish + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + West_Sicilian @ 7.846849
16 French_Basque + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Mozabite_Berber @ 7.848924
17 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 7.868407
18 French_Basque + Greek + Orcadian + Tunisian @ 7.872989
19 Danish + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Tunisian @ 7.875495
20 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Mozabite_Berber + Southeast_English @ 7.878300

With my Ancestry DNA Kit:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 25.77
2 West_Med 16.78
3 North_Sea 14.83
4 East_Med 13.78
5 Amerindian 6.40
6 Sub-Saharan 5.09
7 Baltic 4.58
8 West_Asian 4.21
9 Eastern_Euro 3.44
10 Red_Sea 3.09
11 Northeast_African 1.61


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 10.999161
2 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.010984
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 11.044086
4 Portuguese @ 11.954279
5 Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.990067
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.342772
7 Spanish_Valencia @ 12.592248
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.898859
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.369155
10 Spanish_Galicia @ 13.648997
11 Tuscan @ 14.115171
12 Spanish_Aragon @ 15.269234
13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.282416
14 Southwest_French @ 16.476654
15 French @ 17.886450
16 West_Sicilian @ 18.911566
17 Serbian @ 20.039101
18 Italian_Abruzzo @ 20.043749
19 Romanian @ 20.232433
20 Bulgarian @ 20.371649

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Cantabria +50% West_Sicilian @ 9.545798


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Andalucia +25% Tunisian +25% West_Scottish @ 8.029889


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Irish + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.459786
2 French_Basque + Southeast_English + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.497677
3 French_Basque + Tunisian + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 7.512837
4 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 7.525376
5 French_Basque + Irish + Mozabite_Berber + South_Italian @ 7.541426
6 French_Basque + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Tunisian @ 7.541670
7 French_Basque + Orcadian + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.549674
8 Danish + French_Basque + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.552134
9 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + South_Italian + West_Scottish @ 7.561087
10 French_Basque + Irish + South_Italian + Tunisian @ 7.562525
11 French_Basque + South_Italian + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 7.571158
12 French_Basque + North_German + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.572035
13 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 7.598979
14 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Irish + Tunisian @ 7.608207
15 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + North_German + West_Sicilian @ 7.609721
16 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 7.620836
17 French_Basque + Irish + Mozabite_Berber + West_Sicilian @ 7.621203
18 French_Basque + Greek + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 7.631979
19 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Mozabite_Berber + Southeast_English @ 7.632514
20 Danish + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + South_Italian @ 7.633193

[Bosniensis]

1 Greek + Greek + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.136645
2 Bulgarian + Greek + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.237615
3 Greek + Greek + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.292398
4 Croatian + Erzya + Greek + Greek_Thessaly @ 2.311017
5 Central_Greek + Greek + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.334818
6 Bulgarian + Greek + Moldavian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.350666
7 Central_Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 2.425618
8 Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 2.433014
9 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Erzya @ 2.480399
10 Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.482334
11 Central_Greek + Erzya + Greek + South_Polish @ 2.500289
12 Croatian + Erzya + Greek + Greek @ 2.516266
13 Greek + Greek + Moldavian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.538654
14 Central_Greek + Erzya + Greek + Ukrainian @ 2.545602
15 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Croatian + Erzya @ 2.545655
16 Greek + Greek + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.591215
17 Erzya + Greek + Greek + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.613297
18 Central_Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.616590
19 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.618500
20 Croatian + Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.619467

[Vid Flumina]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% North_Italian @ 8.171267


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Sardinian +25% South_Italian @ 6.491869


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Swedish @ 6.488730
2 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Sardinian + South_Italian @ 6.491869
3 Greek_Thessaly + Orcadian + Sardinian + West_German @ 6.498601
4 North_Dutch + Sardinian + South_Italian + Swedish @ 6.504788
5 Central_Greek + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Sardinian @ 6.507730
6 Central_Greek + North_Dutch + Sardinian + West_German @ 6.509956
7 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 6.511542
8 Central_Greek + Orcadian + Sardinian + West_German @ 6.518774
9 Central_Greek + Sardinian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 6.522557
10 Greek_Thessaly + Irish + Sardinian + West_German @ 6.538229
11 Greek_Thessaly + North_Dutch + Sardinian + West_German @ 6.557736
12 North_Dutch + Sardinian + South_Italian + West_Norwegian @ 6.581842
13 Irish + Sardinian + South_Italian + Swedish @ 6.588361
14 Italian_Abruzzo + Sardinian + Swedish + West_German @ 6.589853
15 North_German + Sardinian + South_Italian + West_Norwegian @ 6.595093
16 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + Sardinian + West_German @ 6.597328
17 Central_Greek + Orcadian + Sardinian + Swedish @ 6.609507
18 Central_Greek + North_Dutch + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 6.616004
19 Central_Greek + Irish + Sardinian + West_German @ 6.625776
20 Central_Greek + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 6.626325

[GreentheViper]

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Karitiana + Spanish_Galicia + Tatar + West_Norwegian @ 6.791173
2 East_Finnish + Karitiana + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.836830
3 Karitiana + Portuguese + Tatar + West_Norwegian @ 6.858983
4 East_Finnish + Karitiana + Orcadian + Portuguese @ 6.900963
5 Karitiana + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Tatar + West_Norwegian @ 6.906452
6 Finnish + Karitiana + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.908847
7 Karitiana + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + Tatar @ 6.914353
8 Karitiana + Spanish_Cantabria + Tatar + West_Norwegian @ 6.917796
9 Kargopol_Russian + Karitiana + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.918014
10 Finnish + Karitiana + Norwegian + Portuguese @ 6.932543
11 Finnish + Karitiana + Spanish_Galicia + West_German @ 6.949434
12 Karitiana + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Tatar @ 6.989455
13 East_Finnish + Karitiana + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 6.999014
14 Finnish + Karitiana + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 7.009181
15 Karitiana + Spanish_Cataluna + Tatar + West_Norwegian @ 7.009250
16 Finnish + Karitiana + Portuguese + West_German @ 7.009536
17 Finnish + Karitiana + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 7.010749
18 East_Finnish + Irish + Karitiana + Spanish_Galicia @ 7.012252
19 East_Finnish + Karitiana + Norwegian + Portuguese @ 7.012473
20 East_Finnish + Karitiana + Southeast_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 7.017132

[Impaler]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian_Jewish +50% Swedish @ 9.981230


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Lithuanian +25% Orcadian @ 9.088300


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Orcadian @ 8.621346
2 Iranian_Jewish + Irish + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian @ 8.782998
3 Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Irish + Lebanese_Druze @ 8.799278
4 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + West_Norwegian @ 8.825630
5 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Orcadian @ 8.830052
6 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + West_Scottish @ 8.848671
7 Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + North_Dutch @ 8.871104
8 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + North_Dutch @ 8.877448
9 Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Orcadian @ 8.884945
10 Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Swedish @ 8.890347
11 Cyprian + Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Swedish @ 8.910997
12 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Southeast_English @ 8.919171
13 Assyrian + Irish + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian @ 8.929361
14 Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Southeast_English @ 8.939187
15 Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + West_Scottish @ 8.944632
16 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Norwegian @ 8.950394
17 Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Southwest_English @ 8.964709
18 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Swedish @ 8.968427
19 Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Southwest_English @ 8.969230
20 Cyprian + Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Orcadian @ 8.971877

[Kaspias]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Tatar @ 5.319022


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Mari @ 4.343272


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Mari @ 3.483465
2 Assyrian + Chuvash + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.609044
3 Armenian + Chuvash + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.642051
4 Assyrian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Mari @ 3.644495
5 Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Mari @ 3.734218
6 Armenian + Cyprian + Mari + West_German @ 3.743893
7 Chuvash + Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.780276
8 Armenian + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Mari @ 3.843467
9 Assyrian + Cyprian + Mari + West_German @ 3.883835
10 Armenian + Ashkenazi + Chuvash + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.886148
11 Assyrian + Chuvash + Cyprian + West_German @ 3.890933
12 Armenian + Chuvash + Cyprian + Hungarian @ 3.909758
13 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Mari @ 3.912473
14 Armenian + Chuvash + Cyprian + West_German @ 3.929785
15 Armenian + Cyprian + Hungarian + Mari @ 3.959517
16 Armenian + Chuvash + Italian_Jewish + Romanian @ 3.976766
17 Armenian + Central_Greek + Chuvash + Greek_Thessaly @ 4.007265
18 Armenian + Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Mari @ 4.009822
19 Assyrian + Chuvash + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.010196
20 Assyrian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Mari @ 4.018670

Done.

Elapsed time 1.4960 seconds.

[Rius]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Ossetian +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 9.200420


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Adygei +25% Bedouin +25% Greek @ 7.827223


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++
1 Adygei + Bedouin + Greek + North_Ossetian @ 7.755076
2 Adygei + Adygei + Bedouin + Greek @ 7.827223
3 Bedouin + Greek + North_Ossetian + North_Ossetian @ 7.905443
4 Adygei + Greek + North_Ossetian + Palestinian @ 7.946835
5 Greek + North_Ossetian + North_Ossetian + Palestinian @ 8.011378
6 Bedouin + Greek + Kabardin + North_Ossetian @ 8.035946
7 Adygei + Greek + Jordanian + North_Ossetian @ 8.053153
8 Adygei + Bedouin + Greek + Kabardin @ 8.054034
9 Adygei + Balkar + Bedouin + Greek @ 8.060418
10 Greek + Kabardin + North_Ossetian + Palestinian @ 8.080575
11 Balkar + Bedouin + Greek + North_Ossetian @ 8.084864
12 Abhkasian + Bedouin + Greek + Kabardin @ 8.096503
13 Adygei + Adygei + Greek + Palestinian @ 8.099793
14 Adygei + Adygei + Greek + Jordanian @ 8.109184
15 Adygei + Adygei + Greek + Syrian @ 8.122561
16 Abhkasian + Adygei + Bedouin + Bulgarian @ 8.125857
17 Balkar + Greek + North_Ossetian + Palestinian @ 8.147481
18 Adygei + Greek + Kabardin + Palestinian @ 8.179948
19 Abhkasian + Bedouin + Bulgarian + Kabardin @ 8.190846
20 Greek + North_Ossetian + North_Ossetian + Saudi @ 8.207942

[Rocinante]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 22.36
2 West_Med 19.48
3 Atlantic 18.18
4 East_Med 14.94
5 Baltic 6.23
6 West_Asian 6.09
7 Eastern_Euro 5.05
8 Red_Sea 3.94
9 Northeast_African 1.98
10 Sub-Saharan 1.10


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 8.413578
2 Spanish_Galicia @ 10.139238
3 Portuguese @ 10.635914
4 Tuscan @ 11.300996
5 Spanish_Extremadura @ 12.196728
6 Spanish_Murcia @ 13.303096
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 13.322871
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 13.848920
9 French @ 13.908291
10 Serbian @ 15.223237
11 Greek_Thessaly @ 15.474429
12 Romanian @ 15.938671
13 Spanish_Andalucia @ 16.127539
14 Spanish_Valencia @ 16.664305
15 Bulgarian @ 17.091892
16 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 17.235880
17 Spanish_Cantabria @ 17.510658
18 Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.814838
19 West_Sicilian @ 18.171789
20 West_German @ 18.261175

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.120368


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Samaritan +25% Sardinian @ 3.094140


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.147185
2 Jordanian + Sardinian + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.175794
3 Libyan_Jewish + Norwegian + Sardinian + West_German @ 2.316536
4 Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + Swedish + West_German @ 2.411580
5 Orcadian + Samaritan + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 2.445573
6 Jordanian + Orcadian + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 2.511945
7 Sardinian + Southwest_English + Syrian + West_Norwegian @ 2.517060
8 Jordanian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 2.531727
9 Jordanian + Norwegian + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 2.583121
10 Libyan_Jewish + North_Dutch + Sardinian + West_German @ 2.588546
11 Norwegian + Orcadian + Samaritan + Sardinian @ 2.589705
12 Sardinian + Syrian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.613232
13 Jordanian + Sardinian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.626718
14 Libyan_Jewish + North_German + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 2.637224
15 Danish + Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + West_German @ 2.662668
16 Samaritan + Sardinian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.673877
17 Jordanian + Sardinian + Southeast_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.681551
18 Libyan_Jewish + Sardinian + South_Dutch + West_Norwegian @ 2.705055
19 Sardinian + Tunisian_Jewish + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 2.708733
20 Libyan_Jewish + Orcadian + Sardinian + West_German @ 2.712640