View Full Version : Was Greek Macedonia a Greek teritory?
Impaler
09-20-2017, 01:22 PM
I know was always a dispute between Greek and Macedonia about the ancient teritory.
I have heard so many opinions.
wvwvw
09-28-2017, 07:04 PM
The FYROMians never in their history claimed any relation to the Macedonia's until General Tito invented an artificial identity for them after WW2 so as to make territorial claims on Greece. The Slavic speaking areas never referred to themselves as Macedonia at any time in history before WW2.
The Skopjians own true history is that they are Bulgarians with no connection to Macedonians who are ethnic Greeks. Btw Skopjian is not a racist term. The occupants of the Ottoman viliyat of Skopjia were called Skopjians.
The only Macedonia which has existed since Byzantine times when the Slavs came to the Balkans only included theterritory of the Greek province of Macedonia and Thrace. This area was never ruled by the Slavs who were the ancestors of the Skopjians. Skopjia was the capital of the Bulgarian Empire when the Macedonian dynasty ruled Byzantium. After that Skopjia became part of the Kingdom of Serbia and was known as Vardarska Banovina. After which it was conquered by the Turks and became the viliyat of Skopjia. The only people who referred to any territory by the name of Macedonia in Ottoman times were the Greeks who lived in the part of the Ottoman province of Rumelia (which included all of Greece) where Macedonia is today. Macedonia was liberated from the Turks by the Greeks and this is now the current Greek province of Macedonia. The Skopjians did not liberate Macedonia. The Skopjians identified themselves as Bulgarians in the Ottoman census of the time and Vardarska Banovina and the Skopjians that lived there were conquered by Bulgaria in the first Balkan War and in the second Balkan War Vardarska Banovina was annexed by Serbia remained under that name until Tito renamed it Macedonia in 1944 since 40% of it was part of the former Roman province of that name, which did not even exist when the Slavs came to live in the area, and nothing to do with the kingdom of Alexander or his successors, in order to lay claim to northern Greece which formed the bulk of that province.
The Skopjans who are ethnically Bulgarians came to the Balkans in Byzantine time and clearly differentiated themselves form the Greeks by following their own Ethnarch. The Macedons followed the Greek Church and remained Greek. Greece become independence of Rome with the advent of Christianity. To all intents and purposes the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople was the Ethnarch of ALL Greeks. ONLY ethnic Greeks including the Macedonia's followed this Ecumenical Patriarch. Ethnic Romans followed the Pope. Ethnic Assyrians followed the Patriarch of Antioch. Egypt split into two Churches with the Greeks following the Patriarch of Alexandria and the Egyptians becoming Coptic.
Ancient Macedonia lies within the borders of modern Greece, not within the fake Rep of "Macedonia", until recently known as Vardarska Banovina.
Regions of Ancient Macedonia:
http://www.macedonia.com/english/history/regions1.html
The only Macedonia that ever reached Sjkopje was the Roman Diocese of Macedonia and that, as I have noted also took in the whole of the Western Balkans (including Greece) AND that was destroyed when the Avars and Slavs tribes inundated the FYROM region where lived previously Dardanians, Illyrians, and Paeonians. The tribes called Slavs inundated the lands.....Roman Macedonia was GONE.
The ROMANS (Byzantines) fought back against invaders in the Balkans and formed a Theme of Macedonia roughly near Western Thrace in modern Greece. AND making a Theme of Bulgaria (for the conquered Bulgarians) in the current FYROM area.
The Ottomans came, found the Bulgarians there and continued to call them Bulgarians. Later, Bulgaria (where it is now) used the name as a scam to try to gain the entire region from the Ottomans....then later Tito the communist dictator used a similar scam in 1944 to debulgarize the population and try to get northern Greece into his clutches....you may remember the communist attempt in Greece after WW 11.
justme
09-29-2017, 07:06 PM
Modern Macedonia was originally called Paeonia which was of Thracian or Illyrian origin... probably both, or Thracians and Illyrians might have spoken a mutual intellectual understandable language (like Czech and Slovaks do today)they were probably kin, ancient Macedonia wasn't in modern Macedonia but rather the Northern region of present day Greece.
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