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Chev Chelios
09-22-2017, 05:45 AM
Religion? Old traditions? Hillbilly mindset? Tribalism? or Bloodline preservation?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Global_prevalence_of_consanguinity.svg/1280px-Global_prevalence_of_consanguinity.svg.png

Oneeye
09-22-2017, 05:57 AM
Shit happens when the men in your family have to escort you everywhere.

Nurzat
09-22-2017, 06:01 AM
I have some absolutely gorgeous cousins I would inbred with

Selurong
09-22-2017, 06:06 AM
Eew. That's fucked up.

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Oneeye
09-22-2017, 06:06 AM
Canada, Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Belgium.. wtf?

Petalpusher
09-22-2017, 06:25 AM
Canada, Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Belgium.. wtf?

Well known historical inbreeding :


https://tof.cx/images/2017/09/22/e0cdaa58eb80e9a15cfc259140e24174.png

Drenica
09-22-2017, 06:31 AM
Shit happens when the men in your family have to escort you everywhere.

Yeah they are all inbred as I told ypu before

AphroditeWorshiper
09-22-2017, 06:49 AM
I think the answer is pretty easy to know :rolleyes:

Chev Chelios
09-22-2017, 12:03 PM
7 replies and still no serious answer

crazyladybutterfly
09-22-2017, 12:14 PM
dating is forbidden in islam , and i guess there is a lot of slutshaming even by religious minorities if a woman dates someone .. in some parts of this region , and the young people even agree with that
so the young adults allow their parents to arrange a marriage or suggest them someone to marry .. it just happens that it is easier that this someone is related to this family because the parents want to know this person well , and so do the future spouses , then there is the horrible practise of forced marriage and to make close family ties nd interests it s a relative.

islam doesnt forbid cousin marriage , even when if she s your first grade cousin.

Pahli
09-22-2017, 12:29 PM
Inbreeding has happened in basically all cultures and races lol, the question is just how much; There also isn't any inbreeding in my family, neither maternal or paternal

Petalpusher
09-22-2017, 12:44 PM
Inbreeding is bad with close cousins, but with 3rd and 4th cousins it is okay:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080207140855.htm

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-incest-is-best-kissi/

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/behavior/mating/third-cousin-marriages-fertility-2008.html



No inbreeding in Iceland? Sorry but this map is total bullshit.

Why Iceland would be inbred, while you apparently understand what's inbreeding? It's not discovering someone you ve just married is your distant cousin like it's sometimes the case there because of the low population, it is fucking your siblings, and to some extent first cousins. Nobody does that in Iceland.

Drenica
09-22-2017, 12:53 PM
Why Iceland would be inbred, while you apparently understand what's inbreeding? It's not discovering someone you ve just married is your distant cousin like it's sometimes the case there because of the low population, it's fucking your siblings, and to some extent first cousins. Nobody does that in Iceland.

I guess Albanians then have never been inbred because marrying siblings or first cousins never was part of Albanian culture or practiced and I don't know where you heard this. Marriage with people you are distantly related to but didnt know you are could of happened and did happen though.

Tietar
09-22-2017, 02:58 PM
Canada, Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Belgium.. wtf?

in Spain there has always been a low density of population, concentrated in cities, but with many villages semi isolated by orography, where marriage between cousins or some kind of family relationship was normal, but this more of necessity than culture. At present I do not think there are cases

Hudayar
09-22-2017, 03:00 PM
In Turkey, inbreeding is most common in Eastern Kurdish majority places and villages where people don't want to share their farmlands with other people. Other parts of Turkey are okay.

Luca
09-22-2017, 03:47 PM
this. Iceland was pretty much inbreeding paradise due to no outside contact for a long time

zhaoyun
09-22-2017, 03:51 PM
Because of the strict division of the sexes, you really only have exposure to your female relatives.

Dandelion
09-22-2017, 03:52 PM
Canada, Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Belgium.. wtf?

It's frowned upon here, though.

Egyptian
09-22-2017, 07:12 PM
My family is very mixed from many cultures but i'm not against inbreeding, why would I be against it? neither my religion nor my culture forbids it, plus it preserve the bloodline.

Arduti
09-22-2017, 07:21 PM
My family is very mixed from many cultures but i'm not against inbreeding, why would I be against it? neither my religion nor my culture forbids it, plus it preserve the bloodline.

I agree with you. But the word "inbreeding" is not a good word to use if you support this practice as it carries an entirely negative connotation.

Dandelion
09-22-2017, 07:25 PM
But aren't you worried that it increases homozygosity, as that's also a consequence of generation after generation of cousin marriages?

Arduti
09-22-2017, 07:26 PM
I would marry a cousin, even a first cousin.

In the Middle East, there is no familiarity with cousins like you have in the West. It is completely formal like with strangers.

Egyptian
09-22-2017, 07:26 PM
I agree with you. But the word "inbreeding" is not a good word to use if you support this practice as it carries an entirely negative connotation.

we use the term (zawag El-Aqareb) = relatives' marriage to indicate to this behavior.

crazyladybutterfly
09-22-2017, 08:16 PM
dating is forbidden in islam , and i guess there is a lot of slutshaming even by religious minorities if a woman dates someone .. in some parts of this region , and the young people even agree with that
so the young adults allow their parents to arrange a marriage or suggest them someone to marry .. it just happens that it is easier that this someone is related to this family because the parents want to know this person well , and so do the future spouses , then there is the horrible practise of forced marriage and to make close family ties nd interests it s a relative.

islam doesnt forbid cousin marriage , even when if she s your first grade cousin.

my explainATION IS SHITTY

it s both to preserve family property and lack od dating though the previous can push parents in forced marriages

Oneeye
09-23-2017, 06:10 AM
It's frowned upon here, though.

Oh no, frowning Belgians.

Dandelion
09-23-2017, 06:35 AM
Well known historical inbreeding :


https://tof.cx/images/2017/09/22/e0cdaa58eb80e9a15cfc259140e24174.png

West Flanders, no surprises there. ;) Strange how it doesn't correspond with the other map. France is supposed to be more inbred here. Just shows how unreliable those maps are.

Doggit
09-26-2017, 09:59 PM
Well known historical inbreeding :


https://tof.cx/images/2017/09/22/e0cdaa58eb80e9a15cfc259140e24174.png

Does anybody here know the origin of this map and the studies used its conclusions? It seems very detailed down to regions.

Jehan
09-29-2017, 11:56 AM
My family is very mixed from many cultures but i'm not against inbreeding, why would I be against it? neither my religion nor my culture forbids it, plus it preserve the bloodline.


It strikes me.
Even with all the proofs that inbreeding cause genetic sickness and low mental capacity, you will still suport it because your religion isn't against?
It's just crazy. Am I the only one who are shock by it?

Incal
09-29-2017, 01:12 PM
dating is forbidden in islam

This.

turbosat
09-29-2017, 01:43 PM
Religion? Old traditions? Hillbilly mindset? Tribalism? or Bloodline preservation?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Global_prevalence_of_consanguinity.svg/1280px-Global_prevalence_of_consanguinity.svg.png

The map is poor for India. Inbreeding levels are not the same in all communities in India or all across India as shown.

Chev Chelios
09-29-2017, 03:30 PM
The map is poor for India. Inbreeding levels are not the same in all communities in India or all across India as shown.

Because it's average.

Laberia
09-29-2017, 06:16 PM
Does anybody here know the origin of this map and the studies used its conclusions? It seems very detailed down to regions.

A good question. Probably some anonymous blogger. But, nobody care today about this insignificant details mentioned in your post. Just post something and start to discuss about it.

FreudianSlip
09-29-2017, 06:34 PM
Because headscarves.

Drenica
09-29-2017, 06:49 PM
What exactly is considered inbreeding?

Jehan
09-29-2017, 06:50 PM
Incest is Wincest.

turbosat
09-29-2017, 07:24 PM
Because it's average.

I know, but that makes it misleading.

cosmoo
09-30-2017, 09:06 AM
Well known historical inbreeding :


https://tof.cx/images/2017/09/22/e0cdaa58eb80e9a15cfc259140e24174.png
Terrible map. Apparently my country, where clan organisation was strong and where a couple could not marry if they were related by direct lines in last nine generations, had "more inbreeding" than some western countries where practices of decadent nobility made it popular to an extent even among commoners? Get out.

Jehan
09-30-2017, 09:21 AM
Terrible map. Apparently my country, where clan organisation was strong and where a couple could not marry if they were related by direct lines in last nine generations, had "more inbreeding" than some western countries where practices of decadent nobility made it popular to an extent even among commoners? Get out.

Can you trace your lineage in the last 9 generations?
It's about hundred of ancestries. I doubt common folk can possibly know it back in the times

Laberia
09-30-2017, 09:39 AM
Can you trace your lineage in the last 9 generations?
It's about hundred of ancestries. I doubt common folk can possibly know it back in the times

In his region and in my region, yes. The elders know by memory, who married, who was born, who died.

cosmoo
09-30-2017, 09:43 AM
Can you trace your lineage in the last 9 generations?
It's about hundred of ancestries. I doubt common folk can possibly know it back in the times
Of course they couldn't trace hundreds of lines, but everyone was able to trace direct paternal lineage of either father's of mother's family, and family ties were deeply known. We probably have the most words for describing types of kinship in Europe (in contrast, English language doesn't even have separate words for paternal and maternal uncle or aunt).
Anyways, inbreeding was definitely disencouraged, and I am baffled by the fact that random Paint-made map is considered as ample source by many.

Jehan
09-30-2017, 09:44 AM
If I don't mystake, and I barrelly never mystake. At 9 generations you have 512 differents ancestries. I doubt they remember all of them.

cosmoo
09-30-2017, 09:55 AM
If I don't mystake, and I barrelly never mystake. At 9 generations you have 512 differents ancestries. I doubt they remember all of them.

As I have already pointed out, generally only by paternal lineage of both sides of family, and by other lines just enough was known to avoid inbreeding (probably better than anywhere else in last few centuries).

Petalpusher
09-30-2017, 07:26 PM
Terrible map. Apparently my country, where clan organisation was strong and where a couple could not marry if they were related by direct lines in last nine generations, had "more inbreeding" than some western countries where practices of decadent nobility made it popular to an extent even among commoners? Get out.
It wouldn't matter even if you had rules tracing 250 generations instead of 3 or 9, that's not what inbreeding is about, but already the fact you had to have rules says a lot about the common practices in theses so called clans, once the population is inbred it's already too late for theses types of countermeasures. And the countrysides of montenegro having a lot of "organisation",... everybody is going to believe that.

cosmoo
09-30-2017, 07:33 PM
It wouldn't matter even if you had rules tracing 250 generations instead of 3 or 9, that's not what inbreeding is about, but already the fact you had to have rules says a lot about the common practices in theses so called clans, once the population is inbred it's already too late for theses types of countermeasures. And the countrysides of montenegro having a lot of "organisation",... everybody is going to believe that.
And arrogant subhuman like you is suddenly an expert on marital practices of my country after having seen a single Paint-made map on internet?

Petalpusher
09-30-2017, 07:42 PM
And arrogant subhuman like you is suddenly an expert on marital practices of my country after having seen a single Paint-made map on internet?

Maybe it's all a conspiracy, no inbreeding in Montenegro, the highest IQ, GDP and achievements in European history, who knows.

ÁGUIA
09-30-2017, 07:44 PM
Já dizia o povo " quanto mais prima, mais se lhe arrima"

Chev Chelios
09-30-2017, 08:06 PM
I know, but that makes it misleading.

What about Pakistan?

cosmoo
09-30-2017, 08:07 PM
Maybe it's all a conspiracy, no inbreeding in Montenegro, the highest IQ, GDP and achievements in European history, who knows.
So level of inbreeding is suddenly a most important factor in development of one country?

As for GDP- do not go full Protestant autism mode on me, as I am not someone who judges a certain people based on ability to ammass material wealth. Going by that logic, Kikes as whole should be absolutely deified.
Now, it is not that we couldn't do it, but we were severely inhibited by being isolated for over 4 centuries in constant struggle to maintain freedom.
As for history- we have surely shown ourselves, not by gold-hoarding, but by honor and martial prowess.
I'm not even going to comment on IQ part and Lynn's pseudoscience- he himself wrote that he acquired no study on our IQ, and that he once calculated it by adding up scores of our neighbors and dividing it by 3, and other time by using PISA.

Laberia
09-30-2017, 08:10 PM
It wouldn't matter even if you had rules tracing 250 generations instead of 3 or 9, that's not what inbreeding is about, but already the fact you had to have rules says a lot about the common practices in theses so called clans, once the population is inbred it's already too late for theses types of countermeasures. And the countrysides of montenegro having a lot of "organisation",... everybody is going to believe that.

How many people have been tested from the authors of the study?

Black Panther
09-30-2017, 08:36 PM
I have kissed some of my female cousins down in Brazil when I was like 13-15, but I would never even be able to imagine doing something more with them. Eww...

Colonel Frank Grimes
09-30-2017, 08:54 PM
Why Iceland would be inbred, while you apparently understand what's inbreeding? It's not discovering someone you ve just married is your distant cousin like it's sometimes the case there because of the low population, it is fucking your siblings, and to some extent first cousins. Nobody does that in Iceland.

It's extremely rare for siblings to be having sex with each other anywhere in the world. When we speak of inbreeding in the context of populations we are speaking of close cousins, such as 1st cousins. It's often done to keep wealth within the family. A daughter marries a 1st cousin and the dowry technically stays within the family (in the next generation the daughter of that marriage marries her 1st cousin and part of the family wealth is shifted back to that side of the family).

Colonel Frank Grimes
09-30-2017, 09:11 PM
My family is very mixed from many cultures but i'm not against inbreeding, why would I be against it? neither my religion nor my culture forbids it, plus it preserve the bloodline.

You'd be against it if you don't want to raise the probability of your child being born with a severe medical condition or mentally retarded.

Colonel Frank Grimes
09-30-2017, 09:12 PM
I agree with you. But the word "inbreeding" is not a good word to use if you support this practice as it carries an entirely negative connotation.

You realize Hasidic Jews have high rates of children born with disabilities? Ashkenazi Jews have a higher risk for a number of genetic diseases because every unrelated Ashkenazi Jew is genetically similar as a 4th cousin would be with each other. That means an Ashkenazi Jew marrying a 1st or 2nd cousin has even harsher possible consequences than if members of other groups do.

Colonel Frank Grimes
09-30-2017, 10:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eAJDQ_SgDk

The video content is revealing about the subject. The Amish are a population descended from a few hundred people (150,000 descendants) who only marry within their community.

Chev Chelios
10-01-2017, 05:18 AM
^The Amish are among the fastest-growing populations in the world, with an average of seven children per family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish).

1920: 5,000 => 2017: 318,400

Mortimer
10-01-2017, 05:30 AM
My family is strictly against inbreeding not even with 4th degree cousin or like that. They are strictly against and are outraged and consider it disgrace and sin and evil and abomination.

Chev Chelios
10-01-2017, 05:32 AM
My family is strictly against inbreeding not even with 4th degree cousin or like that. They are strictly against and are outraged and consider it disgrace and sin and evil and abomination.

Is anti-inbreeding common among your people?

Mortimer
10-01-2017, 05:32 AM
Is anti-inbreeding common among your people?

i think it is, for the people i know it is.

Finnish Swede
10-01-2017, 05:43 AM
Why Iceland would be inbred, while you apparently understand what's inbreeding? It's not discovering someone you ve just married is your distant cousin like it's sometimes the case there because of the low population, it is fucking your siblings, and to some extent first cousins. Nobody does that in Iceland.

Same reasons as it has been more common in Sweden, Norway, Finland....what a northern one goes. Not that it has been ''supported'' anyway anymore; but just because lacks of people.

https://tof.cx/images/2017/09/22/e0cdaa58eb80e9a15cfc259140e24174.png

PS: For me that map is actually more important than all this talks/threads about haplogroups or how pure (racewise) one might be.

ÁGUIA
10-01-2017, 05:55 AM
Another map of inbreeding, some inbreeded just sent me. Maps ....

https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/inbreeding-gradient-europe-d.png

MagicLamp
10-01-2017, 06:00 AM
I have some absolutely gorgeous cousins I would inbred with

Maybe best you don't tell them.

frankhammer
10-01-2017, 06:02 AM
Say what you will but if the Balkanites are inbreds, they've got the woman just right.

Finnish Swede
10-01-2017, 06:08 AM
Another map of inbreeding, some inbreeded just sent me. Maps ....

https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/inbreeding-gradient-europe-d.png

Damn you... now I do't know which map to trust. Portugal looks anyway much better on 2. one :D).

But like I wrote above...in Scandinavia there is clear reason why it has been more common then going up (= lack/less of people). But that can not be reason between ''Western Europe'' and ''Eastern Europe''? So it just has been someway more ''accepted'' in Eastern Europe....among of slavic populations, or? Division is quite clear in both maps.

cosmoo
10-01-2017, 09:19 AM
Another map of inbreeding, some inbreeded just sent me. Maps ....

https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/inbreeding-gradient-europe-d.png

Look, another reputable source, "JayMan's blog".

Nurzat
10-02-2017, 03:18 PM
Maybe best you don't tell them.

I think they know. both the girls and the boys

Laberia
10-03-2017, 05:22 AM
Look, another reputable source, "JayMan's blog".

Yes, one billion of people live in the countries that show this map. Really an impressive number of people. Who knows how many governments and universities are involved in this huge study.

Petalpusher
10-05-2017, 08:16 AM
It's extremely rare for siblings to be having sex with each other anywhere in the world. When we speak of inbreeding in the context of populations we are speaking of close cousins, such as 1st cousins. It's often done to keep wealth within the family. A daughter marries a 1st cousin and the dowry technically stays within the family (in the next generation the daughter of that marriage marries her 1st cousin and part of the family wealth is shifted back to that side of the family).

First case is of course rare, 1st cousins still has many detrimental effects since technically it's like half siblings with two identical grand parents (or the equivalent of one shared parent). It's pandemic in the middle east, it even has become a serious national matter in some countries because it has a direct link with birth defects and many other health complications, which costs money... even just looking at birth defects you can tell how common it is in a region of the world, especially in decently developped countries where health issues don't come into play. Now if you listen to people it doesn't exist anywhere, but that's just how forum talks work...and "muh country"

Country Overall consanguinity (% of consanguineous marriages)
Algeria 22.6-34
Bahrain 39.4-45.5
Egypt 20.9-32.8
Egypt (Nubia) 60.5-80.4
Iraq 47-60
Jordan 28.5-63.7
Kuwait 22.5-64.3
Lebanon 12.8-42
Libya 48.4
Mauritania 47.2
Morocco 19.9-28
Oman 56.3
Palestine 17.5-66.3
Qatar 54
Saudi Arabia 42.1-66.7
Sudan 44.2-63.3
Syria 30-3-39.8
Tunisia 20.1-39.3
United Arab Emirates 40-54.2
Yemen 40-44.7

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2765422/


No smoke without fire, and the clan argument is kind of comical as very religious/clannish societies are a big flashing red sign for consanguinity, it doesn't mean it happens all the time but it has statistically a lot more chances to happen there, and it does. 2nd post of the thread sums it all up i guess.

cosmoo
10-05-2017, 08:40 AM
No one denied it being true for certain areas of Middle East, but you decided to aggressively proclaim it as so for countries which you are barely acquianted with, and for which there are absolutely no recorded cases (both in modern age and through history) of such practices.

Colonel Frank Grimes
10-05-2017, 01:21 PM
First case is of course rare, 1st cousins still has many detrimental effects since technically it's like half siblings with two identical grand parents (or the equivalent of one shared parent). It's pandemic in the middle east, it even has become a serious national matter in some countries because it has a direct link with birth defects and many other health complications, which costs money... even just looking at birth defects you can tell how common it is in a region of the world, especially in decently developped countries where health issues don't come into play. Now if you listen to people it doesn't exist anywhere, but that's just how forum talks work...and "muh country"

Country Overall consanguinity (% of consanguineous marriages)
Algeria 22.6-34
Bahrain 39.4-45.5
Egypt 20.9-32.8
Egypt (Nubia) 60.5-80.4
Iraq 47-60
Jordan 28.5-63.7
Kuwait 22.5-64.3
Lebanon 12.8-42
Libya 48.4
Mauritania 47.2
Morocco 19.9-28
Oman 56.3
Palestine 17.5-66.3
Qatar 54
Saudi Arabia 42.1-66.7
Sudan 44.2-63.3
Syria 30-3-39.8
Tunisia 20.1-39.3
United Arab Emirates 40-54.2
Yemen 40-44.7

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2765422/


No smoke without fire, and the clan argument is kind of comical as very religious/clannish societies are a big flashing red sign for consanguinity, it doesn't mean it happens all the time but it has statistically a lot more chances to happen there, and it does. 2nd post of the thread sums it all up i guess.

I don't question any of that. My issue was over the statement about siblings. Although I suspect you meant to say at first that 1st cousin marriage was common in some countries and that some instances siblings having sex with each other but had it flipped around when you wrote your post without realizing it.

Although I need to point out that if those countries put in the effort to restrict close relatives from marrying each other there can be massive improvement in the population's physical and mental health over time. I don't believe they are doomed populations.

Actually, thanks to genetic engineering the issue can be resolved sooner than we think. The question is will individuals be willing to accept genetic engineering or reject it on religious grounds. There is no doubt in my mind the Amish and Hasidic Jews will never come to accept it on those grounds unfortunately. In the US these are the two communities that would benefit the most.

Laberia
10-05-2017, 02:23 PM
Another map of inbreeding, some inbreeded just sent me. Maps ....

https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/inbreeding-gradient-europe-d.png

This map is from an article posted by a blogger JayMan. The map shows a territory that include the whole European continent, a small part of Africa and an important part of Asia. I don't know how many people live in this territory, maybe one billions or more. Making a scientific study that encompasse three continents and such a huge amount of population, must be really a hard work.
Since you have posted this map, i have some questions but of course, everyone who have some information is free to express his opinion.
Who is JayMan? What is his academic background? I can't find any kind of information about him. Can you or the others, offer some information about him?
Who are the states, governments, scientific institutions, various agencies involved in this study or that directly or indirectly have helped in this study?
Since you have posted this map, it's impossible that you have not read the description of this map made by the author himself:

This is a map of our current best guess of the rates of historic inbreeding across Europe and parts of the Near East. This map is a guestimate, and is not derived from direct measurements. However, it visualizes what areas we think are the most and least inbred, based on these regions’ histories and other pieces of evidence we have.
The part in bold are from the original and you can find it here:
How inbred are Europeans? (https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/how-inbred-are-europeans/)
Why you and the other people who usually post this map in the forum don't post the comment of the author about the map prepared by him?

I will return later, when i will find some time, to explain my point about this" famous scholar" with a nickname that remembers me a member of an rap group but not a scholar.
I don't want to offend nobody, but since low IQ is related among many other factors, with inbreeding, people who take this JM seriously, probably are product of inbreeding.

Odin
01-21-2018, 04:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImnPu-T4yfQ

Mingle
01-21-2018, 05:01 AM
Well known historical inbreeding :


https://tof.cx/images/2017/09/22/e0cdaa58eb80e9a15cfc259140e24174.png

Just curious, but do you have any idea where the data for that map came from?

Mingle
01-21-2018, 05:08 AM
My family is very mixed from many cultures but i'm not against inbreeding, why would I be against it? neither my religion nor my culture forbids it, plus it preserve the bloodline.

Because it produces genetic defects.

sean
03-22-2020, 08:46 AM
The most common marriage amongst Pakis in the UK is between first cousins. They are 3.6% of the population yet account for 40% of serious birth malformations. The situation is similar in Iraq, 50%+ inbreeding, but there the deformities are conveniently blamed on "depleted uranium." Statistically most birth defects and genetic abnormalities found within Britian are found within the Pakistani community because they are the results of multi-generational cousin fucking, everyone's in-laws are cousins and everyone shares the same grandparents who were also cousins, whose grandparents were also cousins.

https://i.imgur.com/iT7LzPE.jpg

There's a solid reason for not wanting them to migrate into your country (other than all the other reasons of course): they up the costs of healthcare by shitting out inbreds in need of intensive care for the rest of their lives.

Lemminkäinen
03-22-2020, 09:07 AM
Well known historical inbreeding :


https://tof.cx/images/2017/09/22/e0cdaa58eb80e9a15cfc259140e24174.png

Sound like this map is bullshitt. For example Iceland. But my answer is hillbill mindset, tribalism and traditions and of course isolation of a small population, like in Iceland.

Grace O'Malley
03-22-2020, 09:23 AM
Sound like this map is bullshitt. For rxample Iceland. But my amswer is hillbill mindset, tribalism and traditions and of course isolation of a dmall population, like in Iceland.

Consanguinity in Ireland was extremely low because it was banned by the Catholic Church so I doubt that map is very accurate and I'd like to see links to see where the information is from.


J.G. Masterson studied the rate of first-cousin dispensations amongst Catholics in Ireland from 1959-1968. He found a rate of 1 in 720 for the entire island, and 1 in 625 for the Republic. That is less than 0.2%. Masterson also quotes a study from 1883 that simply asked people if they were the children of first cousins. A little less than 0.6% said that they were. I imagine that the falling trend over a hundred years was partly due to decreasing isolation of local populations (i.e. easier to travel).

So we can say in general that first cousin marriages are historically low amongst our Irish ancestors within the last hundred years.

https://dataminingdna.com/how-many-cousins-do-the-irish-have-are-cousin-marriages-a-factor/

So map doesn't correspond to research at least as far as Ireland goes. A lot of maps are very dubious.

Lemminkäinen
03-22-2020, 09:54 AM
Grace O'Mall

Consanguinity in Ireland was extremely low because it was banned by the Catholic Church so I doubt that map is very accurate and I'd like to see links to see where the information is from.

It was banned also in Finland. Priests checked all possible issues from church registers. But Iceland is a diffetent case.