Rethel's DNA: actually, I have pan-european results, if not pan-Indoeuropean...

[Rethel]

67766

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=67766&d=1506184650

[Ülev]

Germano-Sarmatian as f@#$%ck!!!

[Ülev]

here is mine

edited

[Rethel]

Once I wrote on Anthrogenica such hypothesy: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11287-R1-M458-could-it-be-spread-by-Sauromats-and-Alans&p=259448&viewfull=1#post259448

It could fit, especially, that lastly I got to know, that sarmatians were settled by Romans also in Italy.

R1-M458 - could it be spread by Sauromats and Alans?


1. M458 is widly spread in Central and Eastern Europe. Could be even a remain of Cordeds.
2. Small clades scattered across whole Europe suggest that it is pre-slavic hg.
3. Only two clades are main, but they are +/- 2000 years old, so potentially, only they could be slavic.
4. Rest is very doubtfull.
5. The oldest clades are find in such places like Wales, Sardinia, Kosovo, Balkaria and Vyat'ka.
6. One in Poland of unknown origin, and mine which actually is not from Poland, but from the West.
It could be from the Brandenburgia, Swabia/Bavaria or even Latium/Apulia or something between.
7. So I belive, that M458 is rather of preslavic origin in general, and these examples could be
spread even in deep antiquity, for example with first IE migrations or by many other possibilites,
like the Goths, Völkerwanderung, relocations of people during Roman period, slave trade, single
personal migrations, even with Vikings (where Slavs were as well) and so on, many events fit
to almost all of that distant locations.
8. But lastly I started wondering if this could not be spreaded by Sauromatians and/or Alanians.
9. Why? Becasue:

a) High frequences of M458 are outside of core slavic lands like caucasian Karachays (27,5%),
Balkars (23,5%) where is one of the oldest clades probably close to mine, 7,8% among Black
(Kara)Nogays, 3,4% among Abazins -also from the northern Caucasus.

b) And these generally are former lands of Alania. It is quite unprobable, that all of it is from
Russians, especially, that M458 is not their main clade, and that caucasian nations are quite
hermetic groups, not happy about mixing with others (at least they claim such thing).

c) Traditionaly part of Slavs is descendning from Sauromatians, and even historically it is/was
quite serious possibility and hypothesy. Lastly was even found scythian settlement in Poland,
so later sauromatian influence, combined with serbian and croatian potential sauromatianess,
can explain easly, why M458 is spread among Slavs.

d) Even this guy from Viat'ka not necessarly has to be originaly from Slavs, becasue that area
(or at least it's direct southern neighbours) was settled by Sauromatians when they existed.

e) M458 on Sardinia, can be also easly explain by patricipation of Alans in Vandalian Kingdom in
northern Africa, which did include in it's realm also the Sardinia island... It can also explain totaly
hypothetical origin of mine from Italy, based on onomastic ties and historical timing.

f) Guy from Wales can be also easly explained, especially by these who did watch "King Arthur"
2004 But historically it was confirmed that some Sauromatians did serve as militaries in Britain.

g) Guy from Kosovo could be a remains of such romanized Sauromatians or
came with Serbs - who are consider in their past as sarmatian subtribe per
se, and in addition trace back themselves from... Caucasus...

h) Guy from Poland - a remains of Serbs, Croats or other "polish" slavicized Sauromatians.

10.So, what do you think about such possibility?

Alan and Sarmatian Settlements:

http://www.marres.nl/afb/Vestigingen%20Noord-Italie.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Germano-Sarmatian as f@#$%ck!!!

Why Sarmatian, as i know their examples were R1b

[Pahli]

Why Sarmatian, as i know their examples were R1b

Sarmatians were mix of R1a, R1b and even J1 lol.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

But why Rethel Sarmatian.. i don't get it..

[Eridon]

Once I wrote on Anthrogenica such hypothesy: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11287-R1-M458-could-it-be-spread-by-Sauromats-and-Alans&p=259448&viewfull=1#post259448

It could fit, especially, that lastly I got to know, that sarmatians were settled by Romans also in Italy.

R1-M458 - could it be spread by Sauromats and Alans?


1. M458 is widly spread in Central and Eastern Europe. Could be even a remain of Cordeds.
2. Small clades scattered across whole Europe suggest that it is pre-slavic hg.
3. Only two clades are main, but they are +/- 2000 years old, so potentially, only they could be slavic.
4. Rest is very doubtfull.
5. The oldest clades are find in such places like Wales, Sardinia, Kosovo, Balkaria and Vyat'ka.
6. One in Poland of unknown origin, and mine which actually is not from Poland, but from the West.
It could be from the Brandenburgia, Swabia/Bavaria or even Latium/Apulia or something between.
7. So I belive, that M458 is rather of preslavic origin in general, and these examples could be
spread even in deep antiquity, for example with first IE migrations or by many other possibilites,
like the Goths, Völkerwanderung, relocations of people during Roman period, slave trade, single
personal migrations, even with Vikings (where Slavs were as well) and so on, many events fit
to almost all of that distant locations.
8. But lastly I started wondering if this could not be spreaded by Sauromatians and/or Alanians.
9. Why? Becasue:

a) High frequences of M458 are outside of core slavic lands like caucasian Karachays (27,5%),
Balkars (23,5%) where is one of the oldest clades probably close to mine, 7,8% among Black
(Kara)Nogays, 3,4% among Abazins -also from the northern Caucasus.

b) And these generally are former lands of Alania. It is quite unprobable, that all of it is from
Russians, especially, that M458 is not their main clade, and that caucasian nations are quite
hermetic groups, not happy about mixing with others (at least they claim such thing).

c) Traditionaly part of Slavs is descendning from Sauromatians, and even historically it is/was
quite serious possibility and hypothesy. Lastly was even found scythian settlement in Poland,
so later sauromatian influence, combined with serbian and croatian potential sauromatianess,
can explain easly, why M458 is spread among Slavs.

d) Even this guy from Viat'ka not necessarly has to be originaly from Slavs, becasue that area
(or at least it's direct southern neighbours) was settled by Sauromatians when they existed.

e) M458 on Sardinia, can be also easly explain by patricipation of Alans in Vandalian Kingdom in
northern Africa, which did include in it's realm also the Sardinia island... It can also explain totaly
hypothetical origin of mine from Italy, based on onomastic ties and historical timing.

f) Guy from Wales can be also easly explained, especially by these who did watch "King Arthur"
2004 But historically it was confirmed that some Sauromatians did serve as militaries in Britain.

g) Guy from Kosovo could be a remains of such romanized Sauromatians or
came with Serbs - who are consider in their past as sarmatian subtribe per
se, and in addition trace back themselves from... Caucasus...

h) Guy from Poland - a remains of Serbs, Croats or other "polish" slavicized Sauromatians.

10.So, what do you think about such possibility?

Alan and Sarmatian Settlements:

http://www.marres.nl/afb/Vestigingen%20Noord-Italie.jpg

Alan's and Sarmatians? Why do people make up this deluded nonsense. I am literally looking up many cities here and I can't find any founders other than Celtics/Italics.

I am really trying hard to find a Non-Italic/Celtic founded settlement here but it is difficult. This is the closest thing to Germans you will get in this region perhaps, a tiny abandoned village.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alagna_Valsesia

Perhaps many cities were sacked by German invaders but no significant influential city was ever founded by Germans in Italy. They were refugees settled in Italy perhaps, a minority but the map implies these obscure tribes actually founded these cities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padua#History Founded by Trojans supposedly.

This map is not detailed enough, it implies these cities are founded by these tribes.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Sarmatians were mix of R1a, R1b and even J1 lol.

Is it known which branch of R1a they were mainly?

[Pahli]

Is it known which branch of R1a they were mainly?

R1a1a1b2 (R1a-Z93) most likely

[Vlatko Vukovic]

R1a1a1b2 (R1a-Z93) most likely

As i know Rethel is R1a-M458.

[Cristiano viejo]

No Spanish DNA, Polack? bad luck.

[Pahli]

As i know Rethel is R1a-M458.

Slavic branch of R1a

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Slavic branch of R1a

I know. That's why i am wondering of anything "Sarmatian" in him..

[Pahli]

I know. That's why i am wondering of anything "Sarmatian" in him..

Its possible but the Sarmatians lived in the Southern parts of Poland and Ukraine prior to assimilation, its hard to tell. One thing for sure is that the Poles adopted Sarmatian armoury and cavalry and used it against the Ottomans with great efficiency :laugh:

[Ülev]

I know. That's why i am wondering of anything "Sarmatian" in him..

man, do not listen to Pahli, he has his own agenda, I will make Rethel Sarmatian as fck!!!

look:

http://eden-saga.com/wp-content/uploads/Scythia-Parthia_100_BC-688po.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians


and now this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laba_River

Russian Laba (Elbe in Deutsch, English) was originally Sarmatian, but when Rethel came to CE, he called Elbe river the same as in his old homeland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe ---> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81aba ---> Łaba !!!

[Kelmendasi]

Sarmatians were mix of R1a, R1b and even J1 lol.
Yes although I would also include G2a as a common haplo as well going by aDNA and J2a as well was probably some what common

[Pahli]

man, do not listen to Pahli, he has his own agenda, I will make Rethel Sarmatian as fck!!!

look:

http://eden-saga.com/wp-content/uploads/Scythia-Parthia_100_BC-688po.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians


and now this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laba_River

Russian Laba (Elbe in Deutsch, English) was originally Sarmatian, but when Rethel came to CE, he called Elbe river the same as in his old homeland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe ---> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81aba ---> Łaba !!!

I'm just fucking around lol, the only way to determine if he has Sarmatian ancestry is by looking at y-dna and autosomal DNA, higher West Asian admixture could be one evidence for it :laugh:


Yes although I would also include G2a as a common haplo as well going by aDNA and J2a as well was probably some what common

I haven't read too much into Sarmatian y-dna, but those were probably not as common. They've found Scythians with the haplo G1 tho.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

man, do not listen to Pahli, he has his own agenda, I will make Rethel Sarmatian as fck!!!

look:

http://eden-saga.com/wp-content/uploads/Scythia-Parthia_100_BC-688po.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians


and now this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laba_River

Russian Laba (Elbe in Deutsch, English) was originally Sarmatian, but when Rethel came to CE, he called Elbe river the same as in his old homeland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe ---> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81aba ---> Łaba !!!

Evil Rethel. He destroyed many civilisations...

[Vlatko Vukovic]

man, do not listen to Pahli, he has his own agenda, I will make Rethel Sarmatian as fck!!!

look:

http://eden-saga.com/wp-content/uploads/Scythia-Parthia_100_BC-688po.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians


and now this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laba_River

Russian Laba (Elbe in Deutsch, English) was originally Sarmatian, but when Rethel came to CE, he called Elbe river the same as in his old homeland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe ---> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81aba ---> Łaba !!!

And... he didn't do anything bad. He just made the river Slavic, lol

[Pahli]

Yes although I would also include G2a as a common haplo as well going by aDNA and J2a as well was probably some what common

In 2015, the Institute of Archaeology in Moscow conducted research on various Sarmato-Alan and Saltovo-Mayaki culture Kurgan burials. In these analyses, the two Alan samples from the 4th to 6th century AD turned out to belong to yDNA haplogroups G2a-P15 and R1a-z94, while two of the three Sarmatian samples from the 2nd to 3rd century AD were found to belong to yDNA haplogroup J1-M267 while one belonged to R1a.[23] Three Saltovo-Mayaki samples from the 8th to 9th century AD turned out to have yDNA corresponding to haplogroups G, J2a-M410 and R1a-z94.

[Kelmendasi]

I'm just fucking around lol, the only way to determine if he has Sarmatian ancestry is by looking at y-dna and autosomal DNA, higher West Asian admixture could be one evidence for it :laugh:



I haven't read too much into Sarmatian y-dna, but those were probably not as common. They've found Scythians with the haplo G1 tho.
Well Alan samples were mostly R1a-Z93 and G2a-P15 and they were linked to Sarmatians so I would believe that Sarmatians too had G2a, Sarmatian samples themselves were R1a-Z93 and J1 whilst samples from the Saltovo-Mayaki cultures were G, J2a and R1a-Z93

[Kelmendasi]

In 2015, the Institute of Archaeology in Moscow conducted research on various Sarmato-Alan and Saltovo-Mayaki culture Kurgan burials. In these analyses, the two Alan samples from the 4th to 6th century AD turned out to belong to yDNA haplogroups G2a-P15 and R1a-z94, while two of the three Sarmatian samples from the 2nd to 3rd century AD were found to belong to yDNA haplogroup J1-M267 while one belonged to R1a.[23] Three Saltovo-Mayaki samples from the 8th to 9th century AD turned out to have yDNA corresponding to haplogroups G, J2a-M410 and R1a-z94.
Yep, Sarmatians themselves were just J1 and R1a-Z93 going by these tests

[Ülev]

And... he didn't do anything bad. He just made the river Slavic, lol

and those Sarmatians still do it, they are invincible, look, ponglish for example ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poglish

[Pahli]

Yep, Sarmatians themselves were just J1 and R1a-Z93 going by these tests

It would be nice if they tested the J1 Sarmatians' markers, then I could do the same and see if there is a connection :laugh:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

and those Sarmatians still do it, they are invincible, look, ponglish for example ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poglish

Evil Sarmethel

[Kelmendasi]

It would be nice if they tested the J1 Sarmatians' markers, then I could do the same and see if there is a connection :laugh:
I would believe them to be from either the Caucasian branch which is mainly found around Dagestan or the northern Iranian branch. I think you belong to the Caucasian branch

[Pahli]

I would believe them to be from either the Caucasian branch which is mainly found around Dagestan or the northern Iranian branch. I think you belong to the Caucasian branch

Most likely, it would be fun if my markers overlap with the Sarmatian ones, the Polak won't like it xD

[Kelmendasi]

Most likely, it would be fun if my markers overlap with the Sarmatian ones, the Polak won't like it xD
Obviously it will be unacceptable, those Sarmatians were R1a alpha steppe horsemen not J1 mountain niggas xD


JK

[Kamal900]

It would be nice if they tested the J1 Sarmatians' markers, then I could do the same and see if there is a connection :laugh:

Most likely it is considering that modern day Ossetians, the people who are descendants of the ancient Alans who were part of the Sarmatian people, are genetically very closely related to many Iranians in West Asia/Middle East including Kurds by their mtDNA.

[Peterski]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vboRLQoQTj4

[Kriptc06]

I did something similar, I have so few matches, It looks meaningless. What can you extract from yours?

[Kelmendasi]

Most likely it is considering that modern day Ossetians, the people who are descendants of the ancient Alans who were part of the Sarmatian people, are genetically very closely related to many Iranians in West Asia/Middle East including Kurds by their mtDNA.
Ossetians are mainly J2a and G2a in terms of Ydna iirc

[Kamal900]

Ossetians are mainly J2a and G2a in terms of Ydna iirc

Yes, because Ossetians are genetically Caucasians paternally while Iranic maternally.

[Peterski]

67766

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=67766&d=1506184650

So your R1a lived around Berlin in the 14th century (1345)?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin#Etymology

[Kelmendasi]

Yes, because Ossetians are genetically Caucasians paternally while Iranic maternally.
Even Sarmatians seem to follow that rule partially as they did have R1a-Z93 but also a lot of Caucasian haplos like J1

[Kamal900]

Even Sarmatians seem to follow that rule partially as they did have R1a-Z93 but also a lot of Caucasian haplos like J1

Indeed, which tells us that a lot of Caucasian men assimilated to the Iranic cultures of eastern Europe via cultural elite assimilation similarly on how Levantine Christian and Druze are Arabs regardless on the fact that they pretty much lack the Arabian Y-DNA haplogroups that Muslim Levantine have.

[Rethel]

So your R1a lived around Berlin in the 14th century (1345)?:

Could, but I lastly find, that there are paleographic problems.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vboRLQoQTj4

So we solve the problem of Dementieva. Pure Slavo-id. :laugh:

But people from other forums (and from TA too) often classify her as North Pontid...

[Ülev]

Demetieva is borealized woman of Scythian blood

[Peterski]

But people from other forums (and from TA too) often classify her as North Pontid...

How can someone with blond hair be North Pontid?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Demetieva is borealized woman of Scythian blood

I guess her as clear Balto-Slavoid origin :nod:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

How can someone with blond hair be North Pontid?

Well they are claiming that she dyed it. Also i saw one picture with family and her father is dark black-haired. But i don't know. Everything is possible.

It's not rare that blond babies are born of dark haired parents...

[Ülev]

Well they are claiming that she dyed it. Also i saw one picture with family and her father is dark black-haired. But i don't know. Everything is possible.

It's not rare that blond babies are born of dark haired parents...

it is called - the telegony (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegony_(pregnancy))
(in some cases)

[Dick]

As i know Rethel is R1a-M458.

His Serb match is also R1a-M458 and even looks like a Pole. We are some distant cousins.

[Peterski]

and even looks like a Pole.

What does it mean? Something like this?:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Jedziemy_do_Rzeszy.jpg

[Ülev]

His Serb match is also R1a-M458 and even looks like a Pole. We are some distant cousins.

Tamo daleko, daleko od mora,
Tamo je selo moje, tamo je Srbija (https://youtu.be/yl9WGfaos_g)

[Dick]

What does it mean? Something like this?:

No, he's a male. I meant Slavic or whatever.

[Peterski]

We are some distant cousins.

These guys in East Germany have the highest % of R1a of all Slavic populations:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEFrk_yY3PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRL_Gx-Z18w

[Dick]

These guys in East Germany have the highest % of R1a of all Slavic populations:

yeah i know, in some gedmatch cals I get like 65%+ Sorb or Kaszub + balkan in Mixed Mode Population Sharing .i I think I showed you before.

[Peterski]

Out of 235 Sorbs, 151 have R1a, so 64.26% (Behar 2003 sampled 112 Sorbs, Rebala 2013 sampled 123).

But also for example 10% of Sorbs have I1-M253, your haplogroup Dick!

[Norka]

Every autistic retard on this forum claim to be Sctho/Sarmat bunch of horse faggots who pulled the short straw and got anally raped by a stronger group of horse faggots and some swamp fiends. Why is it in every autist dream to be scytho sarmat? Because of aesthetics?
I mean I'm not surprised this is a Rethel thread the ultimate autist on this forum.

[Dick]

But also for example 10% of Sorbs have I1-M253, your haplogroup Dick!

yea, I'm pretty sure for now that some of the Suebi were absorbed by the original Serbs like an Ftdna admin told me since i only have one Big Y match for now and he is from northern Spain. Sorry Rethel, dont mean to derail your thread.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Suebic_migrations.jpg

[Rethel]

yea, I'm pretty sure for now that some of the Suebi were absorbed by the original Serbs

Maybe, but the whole area between Elbe and Vistula was called
Swabia in antiquity, so, if Serbs did wander from Poland, then
they could allready have some of them among themselves.

[Rethel]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Jedziemy_do_Rzeszy.jpg

The best proof, that even the most horrible racists did not care about au. :p

[MercifulServant]

What are your autosomal results? that determines aryaness, Haplogroup is less than 0.01% of your genome.

[Rethel]

What are your autosomal results? that determines aryaness, Haplogroup is less than 0.01% of your genome.

:picard2:

[Kouros]

What are your autosomal results? that determines aryaness, Haplogroup is less than 0.01% of your genome.

He has autism leave him alone