Which clade of I2a2-M223 is native to the Balkans?

[Kelmendasi]

Which was the clade found in the ancient Balkan samples? They are labelled as "I2a2a1b2" but are given no SNP so idk which clade it is although I have found out that I2a2a1b2 is also used for the clade Z161 which is weird as that clade is labelled as "Germanic" whilst the Balkan samples predate Germanic invasions

[Tschaikisten]

Most of Balkanic M223's today are from the antique/middle ages Germanic migrations to there.

In some coses it can be called reverse migrations.

[Dick]

Which was the clade found in the ancient Balkan samples? They are labelled as "I2a2a1b2" but are given no SNP so idk which clade it is although I have found out that I2a2a1b2 is also used for the clade Z161 which is weird as that clade is labelled as "Germanic" whilst the Balkan samples predate Germanic invasions

Lol at one I2 subclade, TMRCA 50 ybp. How does that happen?

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I2/

[Kelmendasi]

Most of Balkanic M223's today are from the antique/middle ages Germanic migrations to there.

In some coses it can be called reverse migrations.
Yh true, I was looking at the samples from the study about the history of Southeastern Europe and I can see that there was also I2a2a1b1(Z2054) which seems to have origins in northwestern Europe and I2a2a1b1b(apparently linked to Yamna http://eurogenes.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/steppe-invaders-in-bronze-age-balkans.html)

[safinator]

This subclade is the highest in Albanians in the Balkans.

I think only in Germany it's above 10%

[Lavrentis]

This subclade is the highest in Albanians in the Balkans.

I think only in Germany it's above 10%

Seems to be higher in Romania, if we consider it Balkan

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=project&photo_id=6000000025515455605&project_id=6944

[Lavrentis]

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=project&photo_id=6000000025515455605&project_id=6944

[Kelmendasi]

The samples seem to be Z161 meaning that Z161 people pre-date the Germanics although some of them formed the Germanic people later as the clade is today called "Germanic" although weirdly enough this clade came to the Balkans via the Goths according to eupedia which is weird as those native samples were supposedly Z161

[Tschaikisten]

Some Serbian families from miner regions are M223. Cocic family for example have a family legend about Saxon origins.

Saxons in medieval Serbia
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxons_in_medieval_Serbia)

[catgeorge]

M223 is mesolithic

go downstream

P78 is the joint Germanic/North Slavic clade

[Kelmendasi]

M223 is mesolithic

go downstream

P78 is the joint Germanic/North Slavic clade
P78 has a link to the Yamna

[safinator]

Seems to be higher in Romania, if we consider it Balkan

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=project&photo_id=6000000025515455605&project_id=6944

Not sure about that map, i saw a table years ago with many countries and i dont think there was one with higher percentage than Albania in Balkans, i will try to find it.

[catgeorge]

P78 has a link to the Yamna

Which sounds about right if it does - but think Yamna one is split to a different clade L699

[Kelmendasi]

Which sounds about right if it does - but think Yamna one is split to a different clade L699
True, "I2-L701 was formed a bit over 10,000 years ago and quickly split in two main branches: L699 and P78.

The L699 branch was found in the Yamna culture (S12195 subclade), the homeland of Proto-Indo-European speakers and of haplogroup R1b-L51. A rare subclade, it is found mostly in Hungary, Germany, Switzerland, the Benelux, France and Britain, all countries with relatively high percentages of haplogroup R1b. L699+ matches the I2 Continental 3b clade at Family Tree DNA.

The P78 branch split into two clades A427 and Y7219 some 5,300 years ago, at the time of the Yamna culture in the Pontic Steppe. It is distributed mostly across Central and Northwest Europe, particularly in Poland, Germany and the Netherlands, but also in Romania, Hungary, Scandinavia, Britain, Ireland, France and Italy. Isolated samples have also been found in Greece, Turkey and Armenia. Like the L701 clade, it might well have originated in the Yamna culture and spread with Proto-Indo-European speakers to Central Europe. One branch of A427 is found among Ashkenazi Jews with mostly German surnames, probably through the convertion of Germans to Judaism during the Middle Ages. P78+ matches the I2 Continental 3a clade at Family Tree DNA."

[Coolguy1]

My mother’s paternal line is M223, in a particular subgroup common in Sardinia and Greece.