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Birka
02-11-2009, 07:52 PM
http://patdollard.com/2009/02/new-hampshire-fires-first-shot-of-civil-war-resolution-immediately-voids-several-federal-laws-threatens-counterstrike-against-breach-of-peace/

They are saying that they will not honor any federal law they deem is unconstitutional. What isn't unconstitutional these days in Washington, DC?

If only this bill has a chance of passing.

SPQR
02-11-2009, 10:45 PM
By the gods, a gleam of hope..

If only everyone would stand up and voice themselves like this..

Birka
02-11-2009, 11:25 PM
New Hampshire got the ball rolling, now folks like the Ron Paul supporters need to keep it going.

Ulf
02-11-2009, 11:50 PM
I think Arizona is doing something similar...

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

Whereas, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"; and

Whereas, the Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the United States and no more; and

Whereas, the scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be an agent of the states; and

Whereas, today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government; and

Whereas, many federal laws are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment assures that we, the people of the United States of America and each sovereign state in the Union of States, now have, and have always had, rights the federal government may not usurp; and

Whereas, Article IV, section 4, United States Constitution, says in part, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government", and the Ninth Amendment states that "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people"; and

Whereas, the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and

Whereas, a number of proposals from previous administrations and some now pending from the present administration and from Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States.

Therefore

Be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the State of Arizona, the Senate concurring, that:

1. That the State of Arizona hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.

2. That this Resolution serves as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.

3. That all compulsory federal legislation that directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanctions or requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed.

4. That the Secretary of State of the State of Arizona transmit copies of this resolution to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate of each state's legislature and each Member of Congress from the State of Arizona.

Birka
02-11-2009, 11:55 PM
Arizona ought to ask the Federal government to protect its southern borders as directed by the Constitution.

SPQR
02-12-2009, 12:11 AM
Very interesting. Any other states proposing civil war :D?

The border situation is getting better, there's tons of volunteers who patrol the southern borders.

Ulf
02-12-2009, 02:20 AM
Mississippi too.

Infowars
February 11, 2009

Mississippi lawmakers have passed a bill to protect the state’s residents during martial law. On the Office of the Lieutenant Governor of Mississippi website, Phil Bryant announces the passage of SB 2036. The legislation “restricts the power of a peace officer to confiscate firearms and ammunitions in an emergency or during a time of martial law,” according to the website.

It is significant that Lieutenant Governor Bryant mentions the law applies to martial law.

Mississippi senator Merle Flowers authored the bill and referred it to the Judiciary on January 6. It passed the Senate on February 4. According to the Mississippi bill status website, the act amends Section 33-7-303 of Mississippi Code of 1972 and “explicitly restrict the power to confiscate firearms and ammunitions in an emergency.”

Mississippi passes the law reaffirming the Second Amendment at approximately the same time a number of states are introducing and passing resolutions and bills declaring sovereignty from the federal government and buttressing the Tenth Amendment.

http://www.infowars.com/mississippi-passes-legislation-protecting-gun-owners-during-martial-law/

Sol Invictus
02-12-2009, 09:49 AM
Yup, these states are declaring their "right to revolt" clause.. We're now witnessing the begining of the Balkanization of the U.S right before our very eyes, as predicted in the Novel Civil War 2: The Coming Breakup of America.. In California Aztlan flags are going up just as the California economy is going to collapse entirely, La Raza graffiti is everywhere and it's happening RIGHT NOW..! This is almost too unbelievable to even comprehend.. And Obama is working hard to outlaw Militias and so on.. This is HUGE..!

9 States Quietly Declare Their Independence
Freedom Arizona (http://freedomarizona.org/2009/02/05/9-states-quietly-declare-their-independence/)
January 5th, 2009

Occasionally, I’ll receive an email from Eric Nordstrom. He seems to change the name of his newsletter every few months, usually to whatever is fitting at the time, or dependent of the current events.

Tonight, I received an email newsletter entitled, “Patriot Network Alert 020409″ from Eric Nordstrom’s email address.

Before I go any further, I’d like to say I appreciate and respect this patriot’s level of passion and persistence to communicate his message to as many people as humanly possible. With that said, I’m puzzled about the opening of his email. In fact, I’ll re-post exactly what he said, then make comments after you read what he sent my way.

Good information to pass on to the sleeping public. It is preaching to the choir for most of you. Redistribute to the sleepers.

(ITEM 1)

9+ States have now declared sovereignty, now add Washington to the list.

In case you didn’t hear about it on the mainstream media (which you haven’t because they want to keep us asleep), numerous states are currently declaring or have already declared sovereignty, including:

Washington
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009

New Hampshire
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html

Arizona
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

Montana
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

Michigan
http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2009-HCR-0004

Missouri
http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HR212.HTM

Oklahoma
http://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/state-legislator-charles-key-wants-to-limit-federal-power

California
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sjr_44_bill_940829_chaptered

Georgia
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1995_96/leg/fulltext/sr308.htm

Possibly: Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Montana, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, Illinois.

It is interesting to note that Arizona explicitly speaks about continuity of government and the role of servicemen.

“…if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that state … individual members of the military return to their respective states and report to the Governor until a new President is elected…”

Full text: http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

“The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified.” — United States v. Sprague, 282 U.S. 716, 733 (1931).
When I read Item 1 from Eric’s email, I’m quite pleased to see Arizona, my home state, declaring their sovereignty. For years, I’ve firmly believed the federal government has grown too large and abused each State’s right and individual sovereignty. If the federal government encroaches on the independence of a State, and those elected State officials, including the Governor and Legislature, do nothing to cease the Federal Arm from violating individual human rights, then those officials should be removed from office by the people who elected them. The Governor as the Head Executive should stand up for her people, even if it means the end of her political career.

A Governor, as Head of State, should do what is ethically and morally appropriate in every situation. How can a Governor allow for the illegal search and seizure of person and property in their State? Two examples are: 1) electronic wiretapping of phone devices, computer emails, and bank accounts, or 2) federal agents searching a State citizen’s property without a proper search warrant from a judge.

It is important that our States maintain a high level of independence from the Federal Arm. We wouldn’t be the United States if it weren’t for each and every State.

This is why I was puzzled to read Eric’s email. To me, it seemed like he was bringing up this item, shinning a negative light upon it. He does provide a link to Ron Paul and Alex Jones discussing Obama’s stance on our country’s national sovereignty. The possibility does exist that our country might form a global coalitation with other nations.

But it’s the Governors, the State Legislatures, and “We the People” who will determine if we shed our national sovereignty or not. Our President doesn’t have this power. Nor does the Congress have this ability. The Governors and State Legislatures could stop any attempt of our nation joining the New World Order (or whatever they’ll call it). The 9 States that quietly declared their sovereignty have done a great service to their people; other States should follow in their steps.

I’m very proud of the Arizona State Legislature for formulating a bill that declares their state sovereignty. That same bill further details their right during martial law to call back servicemen to protect the state:

“…if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that state … individual members of the military return to their respective states and report to the Governor until a new President is elected…”
How powerful is that? Very powerful!

This shows that the President is not above any one person or state. In fact, if I were Governor of Arizona and President Obama declared martial law, I would immediately call back all Arizona servicemen to protect the state and it’s people.

UPDATE: A reader has brought it to our attention that none of these resolutions or bills have officially passed into law in the 9 listed states. Though they are not State law yet, I encourage readers in each of these states to contact their representatives and government officials. It’s a matter of principle that our individual States of this Union maintain their sovereignty, even though they’re united in the great American spirit.

SPQR
02-12-2009, 07:41 PM
Awesome! Hopefully the list grows

Allenson
02-12-2009, 08:15 PM
I might have to move back across the river into NH sometime soon. :thumbs up

SPQR
02-15-2009, 06:14 AM
So i've been reading into it, and for some reason (:rolleyes:) I can't find much information on it. But after looking at all the bills none of them have a date for a hearing. I find that kind of interesting..

There was also some theories floating that these are old bills from the 90's, but it's not true. The dates on the bills is Feb 2009

If anyone finds ANY other information, please post it up.

Ulf
02-15-2009, 05:19 PM
Most of the bills I looked at came from their respective state gov't website, so I'm assuming something is happening, would be interesting to find out if anything passed or came to fruition.

Maybe being under the radar is a good thing right now though, might encourage other states to follow suit.

Ulf
02-15-2009, 08:52 PM
Glen Beck interviews NH Representave Dan Itse regarding the states sovereignty claim

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Sol Invictus
02-15-2009, 09:35 PM
If these bills pass.. I think I may just find myself with family in PA sooner than expected..
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