SPANISH SURNAME BALLIU

[Cristiano viejo]

I wanted to post in the thread of Iván Balliu but it has been closed, unfortunately.

I posted this same information in the thread that I made about that footballer some time ago.


Apellido catalán, muy poco frecuente y registrado casi en su totalidad en la provincia de Barcelona, con casas en su capital, Igualada, Jorba, L´Hospitalet de Ll., Cerdanyola del Vallès, Premià de Mar, Granollers, L´Ametlla del V., etc.

Algunas familias Baliu/Balliu viven en la provincia de Girona, con casas en Sant Feliu de Guixols, El Port de la Selva, Lloret de Mar, etc. Dos son los orígenes que sugiere el filólogo don Francesc de Borja Moll, en su obra “Els Llinatges Catalans”, para este apellido, del que señala que también aparece escrito como Balliu, Balil, Valius, etc. En primer lugar, propone que procede del nombre personal germànic Balik, y en segundo lugar, que puede ser una variante del “substantiu català batlliu”, “governador”.

No indica Moll, sin embargo, que ya en el censo catalán de hogares del año 1553, se documentaron dos lugares llamados Balliu, de los que también puede proceder el apellido. Dichos lugares eran: Balliu, en la “colecta de Pallars”, y Son Balliu, en la “colecta d´Agramunt”, todo ello dentro de la hoy provincia de Lleida. Una antigua casa de este apellido hubo en Castelló d' Empúries (Girona), donde nació Jacinto Baliu, que participó, como miembro del grupo de síndicos de ciudades y villas habilitados por el Brazo Real, en las Cortes catalanas del año 1640.

Armas.- El "Repertorio de Blasones de la Comunidad Hispánica" recoge para Balliu/Baliu: En azur, un acueducto, de oro.



Catalan surname, infrequent and registered almost in its entirety in the province of Barcelona, with houses in its capital, Igualada, Jorba, L´Hospitalet of Ll., Cerdanyola del Vallès, Premià de Mar, Granollers, L´Ametlla del V., etc.

Some Baliu/Balliu families living in the province of Girona, houses in Sant Feliu de Guíxols, El Port de la Selva, Lloret de Mar, etc.

Two are the origins that suggests the philologist don Francesc de Borja Moll, in his work "Els Llinatges Catalans", for this surname, which points out that also appears written as Balliu, Balil, Valius, etc. Firstly, it proposes that proceeds from the Germanic personal name Balik , and secondly, that may be a variant of the "substantiu batlliu Català" ("governor).

It does not indicate Moll, however, that already in the Catalan census of households in the year 1553, were documented two places called Balliu, which can also be surname comes. These places were: Balliu, in the "collection of Pallars", and are Balliu, in "d´Agramunt collects the", all within the now province of Lleida.

An ancient House of this surname in Castelló d' Empúries (Girona), where he was born Jacinto Baliu, who participated as a member of the Group of Trustees of towns and villages enabled the Real arm in the Catalan courts from the year 1640.

Weapons.-the "Repertoire of coats of arms of the Hispanic community" collects Balliu/Baliu: in Azure, an aqueduct, of gold.

https://www.misapellidos.com/significado-de-Baliu-79151.html

Ie dear desperate Albanians, that this surname is already documented in OH, THE SAME AREA FROM WHERE THIS FOOTBALLER IS, WHAT A COINCIDENCE, in the year 1553.

This guy is a mediocre player. He knows he never would play for Spain. Albanian Federation is nationalising quite non-Albanian players for the Albanian national team. There are some examples that all of us know. They called this boy and with the excuse of a same Albanian surname they offered the chance to play with a national team. I remember him saying he had not Albanian origins, by the way.

So hard is this to understand? I think it is not. All of you know by faaar this guy is 0% Albanian.


Some other Ballius in Catalonia:
http://balliuexport.com/
http://balliusl.com/

For last, a big LOOOL at the Liberia argument (based in nothing) about this guy comes from Albanian diaspora in Spain from 5 centuries ago... :lightbul::lightbul::lmao well, no one Albanian diaspora documented in Spain EVER, fortunately. Let alone in that small Catalan area.

[Dick]

So this guy was tricked into playing for the Albanian national team? why didn't they just test his y-dna first xD

[Cristiano viejo]

So this guy was tricked into playing for the Albanian national team? why didn't they just test his y-dna first xD

Because r1bs can not play with Albania :lol:

[Sokoli]

Balliu sounds Albanian, because balli means forehead and the last "u" is the definite article, so balliu = the forehead.
What does it mean in Spanish?

[Cristiano viejo]

Balliu sounds Albanian, because balli means forehead and the last "u" is the definite article, so balliu = the forehead.
What does it mean in Spanish?

Read the first post and you will know it.

[Damião de Góis]

No idea why it is closed btw. I have the last post there, but i didn't close it.

[Sokoli]

Read the first post and you will know it.

Its meaning is not explained anywhere. Anyway, you have even people named Albano, or does it have a Spanish meaning too?
https://www.google.com/search?dcr=0&source=hp&q=Albano+Narciso+Pereira&oq=Albano+Narciso+Pereira&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i39k1j0i22i30k1l2.2509.12415.0.13478.6.3.2 .0.0.0.135.266.0j2.3.0.dummy_maps_web_fallback...0 ...1.1j2.64.psy-ab..1.5.411.6..0i30k1j0i10i30k1.137.IMNmgpH3zFk

[Damião de Góis]

Its meaning is not explained anywhere. Anyway, you have even people named Albano, or does it have a Spanish meaning too?
https://www.google.com/search?dcr=0&source=hp&q=Albano+Narciso+Pereira&oq=Albano+Narciso+Pereira&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i39k1j0i22i30k1l2.2509.12415.0.13478.6.3.2 .0.0.0.135.266.0j2.3.0.dummy_maps_web_fallback...0 ...1.1j2.64.psy-ab..1.5.411.6..0i30k1j0i10i30k1.137.IMNmgpH3zFk

Albano is a given name of latin origin. I looked its etymology and it means something like "from Alba".

[Sokoli]

Viejo is slowly realizing that Spain was once ruled by Albanians. https://www.heraldrysinstitute.com/lang/es/cognomi/Alban/Spain/idc/603701#history

[Cristiano viejo]

Its meaning is not explained anywhere. Anyway, you have even people named Albano, or does it have a Spanish meaning too?
https://www.google.com/search?dcr=0&source=hp&q=Albano+Narciso+Pereira&oq=Albano+Narciso+Pereira&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i39k1j0i22i30k1l2.2509.12415.0.13478.6.3.2 .0.0.0.135.266.0j2.3.0.dummy_maps_web_fallback...0 ...1.1j2.64.psy-ab..1.5.411.6..0i30k1j0i10i30k1.137.IMNmgpH3zFk

It is explained, boy. There are two possible meanings, in fact. One coming from the Germanic name Balik and the other meaning is governor.

No idea about Albano.


Viejo is slowly realizing that Spain was once ruled by Albanians. https://www.heraldrysinstitute.com/lang/es/cognomi/Alban/Spain/idc/603701#historyNice try but in the link you can read clearly the surname is Aragonese.

[Sokoli]

Albano is a given name of latin origin. I looked its etymology and it means something like "from Alba".

If it came from Latin, it would have been something like albanus. That's what Latins did, take existing words and append an "us" to make them "Latin".

[Sokoli]

It is explained, boy. There are two possible meanings, in fact. One coming from the Germanic name Balik and the other meaning is governor.

No idea about Albano.

Nice try but in the link you can read clearly the surname is Aragonese.

You see Viejo, there are not merely Albanian words in Spanish, but there is the word Alban itself. While in Albanian, that was ruled by Spanish according to you, there are no Spanish words. How do you explain that?

[Cristiano viejo]

You see Viejo, there are not merely Albanian words in Spanish, but there is the word Alban itself. While in Albanian, that was ruled by Spanish according to you, there are no Spanish words. How do you explain that?

In what moment did you prove the surname Alban comes from Albania??

damn, you even call portucal to oranges.

[Damião de Góis]

If it came from Latin, it would have been something like albanus. That's what Latins did, take existing words and append an "us" to make them "Latin".

There are no names ended in -us here. Albano is just a given name like David. It means nothing, doesn't mean people named Albano are from Albania or that people named David are jews.

I have to say it's an uncommon name though. Here is an example, actor Albano Jerónimo:

https://mundoalice.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/albano.jpg

[Sokoli]

In what moment did you prove the surname Alban comes from Albania??

damn, you even call portucal to oranges.

Portugali - Portugal
Portokalle - oranges

^ Not the same thing.

The word alban is made up of two other Albanian words, al + ban, and those words explain even the Italian word alba. So not only it's our name, but it has a meaning only in Albanian.

[Dick]

If it came from Latin, it would have been something like albanus. That's what Latins did, take existing words and append an "us" to make them "Latin".

The Celts, Greeks and Romans called Britain Alba/Albion and is based on the Indo-European root for "white". Albanians don't call their country Albania but then again you know this. Sokol means falcon in all Slavic languages. What does it mean in Albanian?

[Cristiano viejo]

Portugali - Portugal
Portokalle - oranges

^ Not the same thing.

The word alban is made up of two other Albanian words, al + ban, and those words explain even the Italian word alba. So not only it's our name, but it has a meaning only in Albanian.

Please boy... seriously, stop with this stupidity. There are a lot of Spanish words that start with al-...
Do you know the city Albacete? is an Albanian word or comes from an Albanian word perhaps? :rolleyes:

[Damião de Góis]

The Duke of Alba -> Albanian :laugh:

[Cristiano viejo]

By the way, Portucalli (oranges in Albanian language) comes from Portugal, yes, because it were Portuguese who introduced the oranges in Europe. Did you not know this??? :D

[Cristiano viejo]

The Duke of Alba -> Albanian :laugh:

:lol: re for you

[Sokoli]

There are no names ended in -us here. Albano is just a given name like David. It means nothing, doesn't mean people named Albano are from Albania or that people named David are jews.

I have to say it's an uncommon name though. Here is an example, actor Albano Jerónimo:



The people named David don't need to be Jews, but the name originates with them. Not every nation that uses it re-invented it independently. The same for Alban.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Word Sokol is borrowed word in Albanian from Slavic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokol

Soko (Sokol) in Serbian means falcon https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Interesting about albanians

[Sokoli]

Please boy... seriously, stop with this stupidity. There are a lot of Spanish words that start with al-...
Do you know the city Albacete? is an Albanian word or comes from an Albanian word perhaps? :rolleyes:

Albancete doesn't mean anything in Albanian and I'm not claiming that any word that stars with al- is related to Albanian (al jazeera or the member al-Bosni aren't). However, in Albanian alban has a meaning that explains eve the Italian word alba. And unless you find another language that has this word native, and meaningful, it's reasonable to assume that are loans of the same alba Albanian original word.


By the way, Portucalli (oranges in Albanian language) comes from Portugal, yes, because it were Portuguese who introduced the oranges in Europe. Did you not know this??? :D

Of course. And we got mandarina (tangerines) from Chinese mandarin.
https://translate.google.com/#sq/en/portugali%0Aportokalle%0Amandarina

[Sokoli]

Word Sokol is borrowed word in Albanian from Slavic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokol

Soko (Sokol) in Serbian means falcon https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko

It means the same in Albanian:
https://translate.google.com/#sq/en/sokol

[Сербо Макеридов]

@ Sokoli

A lot of toponyms in the Serbian ethnic area is about Soko/Sokol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokolska_planina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokolović

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_Grad(Sokobanja)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_Grad_(Ljubovija)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokolovo_(Lazarevac)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokolac

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banatski_Sokolac

[Cristiano viejo]

Albancete doesn't mean anything in Albanian and I'm not claiming that any word that stars with al- is related to Albanian (al jazeera or the member al-Bosni aren't). However, in Albanian alban has a meaning that explains eve the Italian word alba. And unless you find another language that has this word native, and meaningful, it's reasonable to assume that are loans of the same alba Albanian original word.
Then what part of "we also use words which start by al-" dont you understand?
I never heard that surname, Alban, the same than I dont know all the fuckin meanings of all the surnames we have in Spain.



Of course. And we got mandarina (tangerines) from Chinese mandarin.
https://translate.google.com/#sq/en/portugali%0Aportokalle%0Amandarina
So you do have some Iberian words in Albania at the end, eh :D

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

This is interesting. Albanian presence in spain. But got assimilated to spainish ethnicity. Perhaps many of the J-L283 subclades in spain are albanian

[Sebastianus Rex]

Its meaning is not explained anywhere. Anyway, you have even people named Albano, or does it have a Spanish meaning too?
https://www.google.com/search?dcr=0&source=hp&q=Albano+Narciso+Pereira&oq=Albano+Narciso+Pereira&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i39k1j0i22i30k1l2.2509.12415.0.13478.6.3.2 .0.0.0.135.266.0j2.3.0.dummy_maps_web_fallback...0 ...1.1j2.64.psy-ab..1.5.411.6..0i30k1j0i10i30k1.137.IMNmgpH3zFk

Albano is a name used in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese; Alban in French and English. Here's its meaning and origin translated into english:


https://www.dicionariodenomesproprios.com.br/albano/

It originates in the Latin Albanus, an adjective used to designate the inhabitants of Alba Longa, thus, means "Albanian, of Alba Longa". Alba Longa was a legendary city, located in Lazio, Italian region where the capital Rome was founded.

Contrary to some sources, the name Albano has no etymological relation with the adjective albus, which means white, but rather with the Indo-European root alb, which means mountain. Because of this confusion, it can often be seen as a variant of Albino, which should be discarded.

The english version Alban was adopted occasionally during the Middle Ages, increasing its popularity in the eighteenth century, although it is still uncommon. It appeared in Portugal in documents dated from 1773, still through the original in Latin Albanus.

It is named after an English saint, lived in the fourth century, known for harboring a fugitive priest in his house. Having had his house searched for the priest, Saint Albano disguised himself as a priest and ended up imprisoned in the place of the fugitive, being decapitated. From this history, Saint Alban became the patron saint of converts, tortured and refugees.

[Sokoli]

@ Sokoli

A lot of toponyms in the Serbian ethnic area is about Soko/Sokol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokolska_planina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokolović

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_Grad(Sokobanja)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_Grad_(Ljubovija)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokolovo_(Lazarevac)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Sokolac

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banatski_Sokolac

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokol_(Gračanica)

Those are derivations from sokol, and when it becomes Slavic, it looks like a Slavic word, that is: Sokolović. That "vic" in the end is the Slavic hallmark.

[Dick]

Perhaps many of the J-L283 subclades in spain are albanian

https://j2-m172.info/2015/10/j2b2a1-l283-origins-by-diversity-and-subgroups-focus-jewish-lineages/

[Cristiano viejo]

This is interesting. Albanian presence in spain. But got assimilated to spainish ethnicity. Perhaps many of the J-L283 subclades in spain are albanian

The only Albanian presence in Spain are recent criminals like Astrit Bushi
http://estaticos03.elmundo.es/elmundo/imagenes/2010/12/09/madrid/1291906593_0.jpg

Dritan Rexhepi
http://www.albeu.com/dokumenta/foto/dritani1.jpg

or some footballer like Enis Bardhi (the short guy on the middle)
http://mm.servidornoticias.com/photos/w_871/2ef/13199917w.jpg

continue dreaming, nigga :D

[Sokoli]

Then what part of "we also use words which start by al-" dont you understand?
I never heard that surname, Alban, the same than I dont know all the fuckin meanings of all the surnames we have in Spain.



So you do have some Iberian words in Albania at the end, eh :D

Claiming that every word that starts with al- is Albanian would be similar to claiming that every word that starts with sp- is Spanish. That's plain stupid. Such idea never passed to my mind. But claiming that a name or surname Alban is related to Albanian is as reasonable as claiming that a name "spain" if present in Albanian would be related to Spain. That would be a reasonable claim. After all, you even claimed that two unrelated words like port-okalli and port-ugali have a historical connection. Do you see the double standard?

[Cristiano viejo]

Claiming that every word that starts with al- is Albanian would be similar to claiming that every word that starts with sp- is Spanish. That's plain stupid. Such idea never passed to my mind. But claiming that a name or surname Alban is related to Albanian is as reasonable as claiming that a name "spain" if present in Albanian would be related to Spain. That would be a reasonable claim. After all, you even claimed that two unrelated words like port-okalli and port-ugali have a historical connection. Do you see the double standard?
Have you read the Sebastianux post perhaps?


Albano is a name used in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese; Alban in French and English. Here's its meaning and origin translated into english:

https://www.dicionariodenomesproprios.com.br/albano/

It originates in the Latin Albanus, an adjective used to designate the inhabitants of Alba Longa, thus, means "Albanian, of Alba Longa". Alba Longa was a legendary city, located in Lazio, Italian region where the capital Rome was founded.

Contrary to some sources, the name Albano has no etymological relation with the adjective albus, which means white, but rather with the Indo-European root alb, which means mountain. Because of this confusion, it can often be seen as a variant of Albino, which should be discarded.

The english version Alban was adopted occasionally during the Middle Ages, increasing its popularity in the eighteenth century, although it is still uncommon. It appeared in Portugal in documents dated from 1773, still through the original in Latin Albanus.

It is named after an English saint, lived in the fourth century, known for harboring a fugitive priest in his house. Having had his house searched for the priest, Saint Albano disguised himself as a priest and ended up imprisoned in the place of the fugitive, being decapitated. From this history, Saint Alban became the patron saint of converts, tortured and refugees.

[Sokoli]

The only Albanian presence in Spain are recent criminals like Astrit Bushi
Dritan Rexhepi

or some footballer like Enis Bardhi (the short guy on the middle)

continue dreaming, nigga :D

Well, if this area of the Globe showed in the following map was called Albania until a few centuries ago, then it's likely that the name has spread from there, given the historical influence that that area had in ancient world.
And of course those people had slaves too, that spoke their language, so no surprise that there will be Albanian speaking south-slavs today, the ones that you used as Albanian samples above
http://www.helmink.com/Antique_Map_Porcacchi_World/Scans/Porcacchi%20World%202.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Claiming that every word that starts with al- is Albanian would be similar to claiming that every word that starts with sp- is Spanish. That's plain stupid. Such idea never passed to my mind. But claiming that a name or surname Alban is related to Albanian is as reasonable as claiming that a name "spain" if present in Albanian would be related to Spain. That would be a reasonable claim. After all, you even claimed that two unrelated words like port-okalli and port-ugali have a historical connection. Do you see the double standard?


Well, if this area of the Globe showed in the following map was called Albania until a few centuries ago, then it's likely that the name has spread from there, given the historical influence that that area had in ancient world.
And of course those people had slaves too, that spoke their language, so no surprise that there will be Albanian speaking south-slavs today, the ones that you used as Albanian samples above
http://www.helmink.com/Antique_Map_Porcacchi_World/Scans/Porcacchi%20World%202.jpg


I did not understand anything about what you want to say, sorry :lol:

[Sokoli]

I did not understand anything about what you want to say, sorry :lol:

Yes, I feel sorry for you too. But don't despair, even lacking comprehending skills you can still have a fulfilled life, like here, in TA.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes, I feel sorry for you too. But don't despair, even lacking comprehending skills you can still have a fulfilled life, like here, in TA.

Dont worry, I do. I am Spanish, remember?

[Sokoli]

Dont worry, I do. I am Spanish, remember?

Of course I can read it on your profile, it's not me who doesn't understand anything. Well, peace and love Viejo.

[Cristiano viejo]

Of course I can read it on your profile, it's not me who doesn't understand anything. Well, peace and love Viejo.

Always :thumb001:

[Laberia]

This is interesting. Albanian presence in spain. But got assimilated to spainish ethnicity. Perhaps many of the J-L283 subclades in spain are albanian

There was during the history an Albanian presence in Spain. There are many information about this presence in the late middle age and later. I don`t have information what`s happened before late middle age. But, can you tell me, there is someone here among the Spaniards that we can make a normal discussion and ask information? I doubt.
As i said, there are connections between two peoples from the late middle age. The most famous moment was the war of Scanderbeg, our National Heroe and Albanians against the Ottomans. The Kingdom of Napoli(King Alfons)and Vatican supported Albanians in this war. Later, when Italy was in war, half with Spaniards and half with French, Scanderbeg arrived with a small contigent of his army and resolved this situation in favor of Spaniards. You can read it here:
Skanderbeg Italian expedition. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skanderbeg%27s_Italian_expedition)
Later, when Albania was invaded by the Ottomans, after the death of Scanderbeg, many Albanians migrated in Italy and they settled in South Italy and Sicily, with the help of Kingdom of Napoli and Vatican. Among the peoples who migrated was the wife of Scanderbeg, Donika Kastrioti. She was friend with Joanna of Aragon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_of_Aragon,_Queen_of_Naples) the second wife of Fedinand I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_I_of_Naples), sister of Ferdinand The Catholic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_II_of_Aragon) but after some years in Italy, she went in Spain, Valencia and she died there.
This is a documentary about the grave of Donika Kastrioti in Valencia, Spain. Unfortunately, the documentary is in Albanian but there are some explanations in English and the scholar is a Spanish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Xxv3QZhmc
But the connection between Spaniards and Albanians predate Scanderbeg and continued after his death. Albanians, a martial race, were considered some of the best mercenaries in Europe. The famous Albanian stratioti(please ignore the wiki page about stratioti because is a pure falsification of the greek net-warriors)introduced for the first time in Western Europe the light cavalery. Albanians were at the service of all Western and Eastern powers, from the borders between England and Scotland to Arabic Peninsula, from Belgium, Germany to Crete and Cyprus.
And of course these Albanians were part also of the Spanish Army. With "Spanish army" i mean the army of the King of Spain, understanding like the titular of the Crown of Spain with all its kingdoms and territories.
About Cavalry, during the XVII century, the Spanish Army was formed by:
- Spanish Cavalry
- Italian Cavalry
- German Cavalry
- Albanian and Croatian Cavalry.
Albanians were much appreciated by the Spaniards, for their courage, tenacity and infiltration capacity in enemy zone.
There is also an curiosity about the presence of Kyrgyz Horse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyz_Horse) in American Continent, a breed of horse very appreciated by the indigenous populations of America.
The Kyrgyz Horse was domesticated in the Pontan Steppes and to the East (including Kyrgyz). Probably Turks brought this horse in Balkans, through Albanians and Croats(they were part of Spanish cavalry), the horses arrived to Peninsula and from Peninsula to America. And from Nuevo Mexico and Texas to Montana.
From these Albanians is probably originary this Ivan Balliu.
But Albanian presence in Iberian Peninsula continued until the XIX century. Albanian in Gibraltar were a minority that came in 19th Century but not from Albania. They came from Albanian diaspora of Greece and Italy.
Unfortunately there are not many sources. I only know one in Spanish a book "Estudios sobre Gibraltar. Política, diplomacia y contrabando en el siglo XIX." Rafael Sánchez Mantero. Diputación de Cádz. 1989, but i don`t have access to this study. When i asked this retard Viejo if he could provide some information, there was no answer, because this idiot is interested in other thing, not in discussion about history.
And the last thing about this Ivan Balliu, his father declared that if Catalunya become an indipendent state, his son will play for the National Team of Catalunya.
http://konica.al/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/ivan-balliu-1.jpg
http://www.libertaddigital.com/deportes/futbol/2017-09-28/un-hijo-de-un-alcalde-independista-catalan-sera-internacional-con-albania-1276606639/

And certainly, in the match of 6 October between Spain and Albania in Alicante, his father like millions of people in Catalunya will cheer for Albania. A catalan playing against Spain is the dream of every indipendentist. And for sure this moors will become nervous in seeing one catalan playing against them and in this specific moment.

[Cristiano viejo]

There was during the history an Albanian presence in Spain. There are many information about this presence in the late middle age and later. I don`t have information what`s happened before late middle age. But, can you tell me, there is someone here among the Spaniards that we can make a normal discussion and ask information? I doubt.
But do you read yourself?? Albanian presence in Spain?? :lol:
the horses carried to America arriving to Spain from Albanians?? :lol: (it is super well documented that the horses that Spaniards carried to America were Andalusian horses, you Albananian :lol:)

And do you talk about having a normal discussion?? :lol:

Boy, stop trying to pass ethnic Spaniards as Albanians. The presence of the surname Balliu in the zone from where this guy comes is documented at least since 500 years ago... the own surname is clearly documented as Catalan native by expert philologists... and now Albanians try to say his greatfather settled precisely in that zone?? hahahaha you can not be more ridicolous and wannabe.

I have another theory: the Balliu surname must be spread in Albania since Spain when Spaniards conquered Durres for three years in 1376 :thumb001:

[Laberia]

But do you read yourself?? Albanian presence in Spain?? :lol:
the horses carried to America arriving to Spain from Albanians?? :lol: (it is super well documented that the horses that Spaniards carried to America were Andalusian horses, you Albananian :lol:)

And do you talk about having a normal discussion?? :lol:

Boy, stop trying to pass ethnic Spaniards as Albanians. The presence of the surname Balliu in the zone from where this guy comes is documented at least since 500 years ago... the own surname is clearly documented as Catalan native by expert philologists... and now Albanians try to say his greatfather settled precisely in that zone?? hahahaha you can not be more ridicolous and wannabe.

I have another theory: the Balliu surname must be spread in Albania since Spain when Spaniards conquered Durres for three years in 1376 :thumb001:

And who give a shit about the opinion of an retard moor?

[Cristiano viejo]

And who give a shit about the opinion of an retard moor?

Normal discussion, according an Albananian... ;)

Go to steal some blond Serbian or Greek for your national team, loser :thumb001:

[Albobalboa]

Regarding Ivan Balliu:

"La selección albanesa de fútbol ha facilitado hoy la primera convocatoria de Cristian Panucci como seleccionador y ha convocado al ex azulgrana Iván Balliu, actualmente jugador del Metz. La presencia del jugador catalán ha sido la gran sorpresa de la lista y ha llamado la atención incluso a sus ex compañeros en el filial azulgrana. Iván Balliu Campeny es natural de Caldas de Malavella y sus padres también son catalanes, pero su apellido es bastante común en Albania. De ahí que los responsables de la Federación Albanesa se pusieron en contacto con él hace un año, para saber si el origen de su apellido estaba en Albania y podía ser convocado por la selección. Pese a no tener ningún antecedente o parentesco familiar directo, los dirigentes federativos rastrearon su árbol genealógico para conocer la procedencia del apellido y confirmaron sus orígenes albaneses. Balliu obtuvo así la doble nacionalidad y Panucci le ha convocado para su primer partido al frente de la selección."

http://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol...97/balliu.html

"La historia de su llamada es, cuanto menos, curiosa. Balliu desconocía sus raíces albanesas, pero la Federación de Fútbol de Albania (FSHF) descubrió en su apellido paterno una vía de nacionalización para potenciar su selección. "En abril me llamaron y tuve una reunión con el presidente [Armand Duka]. Me preguntaron por mi apellido, porque es muy típico en Albania. Luego comenzaron a rastrear y resulta que la familia por parte de mi padre tenía ascendencia albanesa, algo que yo desconocía porque perdieron el contacto", asegura a MARCA. Su debut incluso se ha retrasado más de lo esperado: "Hablé con el exseleccionador, Gianni de Biasi, antes de su marcha. Quería que jugase los partidos de junio, pero por temas de papeleo no pudo ser"."

http://www.marca.com/futbol/mundial/...b378b45f1.html

It's Albanian origin. I can understand the inner frustration, but it will only hurt you inside while giving immense pleasure to the Albanians of the forum as they see you desperately try to cling on something. I suggest finding some hobby.

As for stealing players, most top European teams have plenty of foreign origin players with only requirement being citizenship, so it isn't an uncommon thing although it isn't the case here.

[Laberia]

Normal discussion, according an Albananian... ;)

Go to steal some blond Serbian or Greek for your national team, loser :thumb001:

Have a look in the direction of Maghreb and find your friends there, little moor.
Peace and Love and FREEDOM FOR CATALUNYA.

[Cristiano viejo]

It's Albanian origin. I can understand the inner frustration, but it will only hurt you inside while giving immense pleasure to the Albanians of the forum as they see you desperately try to cling on something. I suggest finding some hobby.

No, it is not. You even dont know what you are posting in Spanish :picard1:
I already have proved that the surname Balliu exists in the same area of this player since at least 500 years ago.

Albanians are so desperate to find players for their national team that need to search among Spaniards for this :picard1:
What pathetism...

[Cristiano viejo]

Have a look in the direction of Maghreb and find your friends there, little moor.
Peace and Love and FREEDOM FOR CATALUNYA.
You would go there to steal blond Spaniards too hahaha

[Albobalboa]

No, it is not. You even dont know what you are posting in Spanish :picard1:
I already have proved that the surname Balliu exists in the same area of this player since at least 500 years ago.

Albanians are so desperate to find players for their national team that need to search among Spaniards for this :picard1:
What pathetism...

Ok I don't understand it, so go ahead and translate the text I posted for all of us non-Spanish speakers. What does it say?

[Albobalboa]

There was during the history an Albanian presence in Spain. There are many information about this presence in the late middle age and later. I don`t have information what`s happened before late middle age. But, can you tell me, there is someone here among the Spaniards that we can make a normal discussion and ask information? I doubt.
As i said, there are connections between two peoples from the late middle age. The most famous moment was the war of Scanderbeg, our National Heroe and Albanians against the Ottomans. The Kingdom of Napoli(King Alfons)and Vatican supported Albanians in this war. Later, when Italy was in war, half with Spaniards and half with French, Scanderbeg arrived with a small contigent of his army and resolved this situation in favor of Spaniards. You can read it here:
Skanderbeg Italian expedition. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skanderbeg%27s_Italian_expedition)
Later, when Albania was invaded by the Ottomans, after the death of Scanderbeg, many Albanians migrated in Italy and they settled in South Italy and Sicily, with the help of Kingdom of Napoli and Vatican. Among the peoples who migrated was the wife of Scanderbeg, Donika Kastrioti. She was friend with Joanna of Aragon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_of_Aragon,_Queen_of_Naples) the second wife of Fedinand I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_I_of_Naples), sister of Ferdinand The Catholic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_II_of_Aragon) but after some years in Italy, she went in Spain, Valencia and she died there.
This is a documentary about the grave of Donika Kastrioti in Valencia, Spain. Unfortunately, the documentary is in Albanian but there are some explanations in English and the scholar is a Spanish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Xxv3QZhmc
But the connection between Spaniards and Albanians predate Scanderbeg and continued after his death. Albanians, a martial race, were considered some of the best mercenaries in Europe. The famous Albanian stratioti(please ignore the wiki page about stratioti because is a pure falsification of the greek net-warriors)introduced for the first time in Western Europe the light cavalery. Albanians were at the service of all Western and Eastern powers, from the borders between England and Scotland to Arabic Peninsula, from Belgium, Germany to Crete and Cyprus.
And of course these Albanians were part also of the Spanish Army. With "Spanish army" i mean the army of the King of Spain, understanding like the titular of the Crown of Spain with all its kingdoms and territories.
About Cavalry, during the XVII century, the Spanish Army was formed by:
- Spanish Cavalry
- Italian Cavalry
- German Cavalry
- Albanian and Croatian Cavalry.
Albanians were much appreciated by the Spaniards, for their courage, tenacity and infiltration capacity in enemy zone.
There is also an curiosity about the presence of Kyrgyz Horse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyz_Horse) in American Continent, a breed of horse very appreciated by the indigenous populations of America.
The Kyrgyz Horse was domesticated in the Pontan Steppes and to the East (including Kyrgyz). Probably Turks brought this horse in Balkans, through Albanians and Croats(they were part of Spanish cavalry), the horses arrived to Peninsula and from Peninsula to America. And from Nuevo Mexico and Texas to Montana.
From these Albanians is probably originary this Ivan Balliu.
But Albanian presence in Iberian Peninsula continued until the XIX century. Albanian in Gibraltar were a minority that came in 19th Century but not from Albania. They came from Albanian diaspora of Greece and Italy.
Unfortunately there are not many sources. I only know one in Spanish a book "Estudios sobre Gibraltar. Política, diplomacia y contrabando en el siglo XIX." Rafael Sánchez Mantero. Diputación de Cádz. 1989, but i don`t have access to this study. When i asked this retard Viejo if he could provide some information, there was no answer, because this idiot is interested in other thing, not in discussion about history.
And the last thing about this Ivan Balliu, his father declared that if Catalunya become an indipendent state, his son will play for the National Team of Catalunya.
http://konica.al/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/ivan-balliu-1.jpg
http://www.libertaddigital.com/deportes/futbol/2017-09-28/un-hijo-de-un-alcalde-independista-catalan-sera-internacional-con-albania-1276606639/

And certainly, in the match of 6 October between Spain and Albania in Alicante, his father like millions of people in Catalunya will cheer for Albania. A catalan playing against Spain is the dream of every indipendentist. And for sure this moors will become nervous in seeing one catalan playing against them and in this specific moment.

I didn't know there were Stratioti in Spain. SMFH he made an idiot out of himself in this thread.

[Cristiano viejo]

Ok I don't understand it, so go ahead and translate the text I posted for all of us non-Spanish speakers. What does it say?

Ie that you are posting a supossed argument to debate with me... without knowing what you were posting?? hahaha

This conversation/claiming was not serious even coming from Albanians... but this is too much already :lol:

In the text that you have posted they said that the Albanian federation, when saw that that guy had a surname that also exists in Albania, called him to check if he had Albanian ancestors. He said NO (I REPEAT: HE SAID NO) and then the Albo federation looks his roots and vuolá... they discovered he had... without giving more explanations... :lol: according other informations, this is via his grandfather... what immediately invalidates the Albanian claim... because OH, WHAT A COINCIDENCE, HIS GRANDFATHER SETTLED EXAAAAAACTLY IN AN AREA WHERE THE SURNAME BALLIU IS DOCUMENTED SINCE 5 CENTURIES AGO... :rolleyes:

But dont you see this is a clear manoeuvre to "sign" this guy for your national team, and period?? so blind you are??

[Albobalboa]

Ie that you are posting a supossed argument to debate with me... without knowing what you were posting?? hahaha

This conversation/claiming was not serious even coming from Albanians... but this is too much already :lol:

In the text that you have posted they said that the Albanian federation, when saw that that guy had a surname that also exists in Albania, called him to check if he had Albanian ancestors. He said NO (I REPEAT: HE SAID NO) and then the Albo federation looks his roots and vuolá... they discovered he had... without giving more explanations... :lol: according other informations, this is via his grandfather... what immediately invalidates the Albanian claim... because OH, WHAT A COINCIDENCE, HIS GRANDFATHER SETTLED EXAAAAAACTLY IN AN AREA WHERE THE SURNAME BALLIU IS DOCUMENTED SINCE 5 CENTURIES AGO... :rolleyes:

But dont you see this is a clear manoeuvre to "sign" this guy for your national team, and period?? so blind you are??

No because they had lost contact, it was old heritage. It's not recent, and it makes perfect sense, they settled and that's why the surname Balliu is there, look at who still has the surname Balliu these days.

Pretty easy to argument against you as you argument with emotions.

The manouvre was that they called him due to his surname. He himself not knowing his ancestry far back didn't know about it, so they checked with his father and the family history and determined that it was Albanian origin. These are not my words, these are conclusions from his own family. Are you realizing how pathetic you look? Maybe you should complain to his family instead and teach them about their history? They determined that the surname was Albanian origin, and it's not difficult to see, it goes perfectly with the theory that they would've settled in Catalonia.

""La historia de su llamada es, cuanto menos, curiosa. Balliu desconocía sus raíces albanesas, pero la Federación de Fútbol de Albania (FSHF) descubrió en su apellido paterno una vía de nacionalización para potenciar su selección. "En abril me llamaron y tuve una reunión con el presidente [Armand Duka]. Me preguntaron por mi apellido, porque es muy típico en Albania. Luego comenzaron a rastrear y resulta que la familia por parte de mi padre tenía ascendencia albanesa, algo que yo desconocía porque perdieron el contacto", asegura a MARCA. Su debut incluso se ha retrasado más de lo esperado: "Hablé con el exseleccionador, Gianni de Biasi, antes de su marcha. Quería que jugase los partidos de junio, pero por temas de papeleo no pudo ser".""

If you still don't understand just let me know, it's good to educate others who are feeling insecure over something. I agree that it was a team manouvre to sign a good player, but they simply found a player with an Albanian seeming surname and they checked his family and found that he indeed did have Albanian ancestry on his father's side. Thus he was eligible to join the team. There are much worse cases with bigger international teams like Germany, France, Switzerland and others where they have zero ancestry but a citizenship and that's that. For example nordic countries often have athletes from Africa that just got Swedish citizenship do sports for Swedish flag, it is not uncommon at all.

[Albobalboa]

http://thediplomatinspain.com/en/spanish-nationality-for-the-cuban-athletes-javier-sotomayor-and-orlando-ortega/

In Spain's case that was for olympic athletes.

http://thediplomatinspain.com/en/spanish-nationality-for-the-cuban-athletes-javier-sotomayor-and-orlando-ortega/

Javier Sotomayor

http://elnacional.com.do/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sotomayor-getty-4.jpg

Orlando Ortega

http://oncubamagazine.com/wmag/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/orlando_ortega1-755x490.jpg

Walid Bujuq Badran

http://images.eldiario.es/politica/Gobierno-nacionalidad-espanola-deportistas-ciudadano_EDIIMA20150724_0489_4.jpg

Talk about throwing stones from a glass house, holy shit.

[Cristiano viejo]

No because they had lost contact, it was old heritage. It's not recent, and it makes perfect sense, they settled and that's why the surname Balliu is there, look at who still has the surname Balliu these days.

Pretty easy to argument against you as you argument with emotions.

The manouvre was that they called him due to his surname. He himself not knowing his ancestry far back didn't know about it, so they checked with his father and the family history and determined that it was Albanian origin. These are not my words, these are conclusions from his own family. Are you realizing how pathetic you look? Maybe you should complain to his family instead and teach them about their history? They determined that the surname was Albanian origin, and it's not difficult to see, it goes perfectly with the theory that they would've settled in Catalonia.

""La historia de su llamada es, cuanto menos, curiosa. Balliu desconocía sus raíces albanesas, pero la Federación de Fútbol de Albania (FSHF) descubrió en su apellido paterno una vía de nacionalización para potenciar su selección. "En abril me llamaron y tuve una reunión con el presidente [Armand Duka]. Me preguntaron por mi apellido, porque es muy típico en Albania. Luego comenzaron a rastrear y resulta que la familia por parte de mi padre tenía ascendencia albanesa, algo que yo desconocía porque perdieron el contacto", asegura a MARCA. Su debut incluso se ha retrasado más de lo esperado: "Hablé con el exseleccionador, Gianni de Biasi, antes de su marcha. Quería que jugase los partidos de junio, pero por temas de papeleo no pudo ser".""

Bullshit and not even you could believe such stupidity.
They (Albo federation and even this guy) dont say it is old heritage. The opposite. They claim it is recent, via his granfather.

Look, if this guy was let say from Madrid, or Sevilla... even so he would have 10 billions of more chances to be descendant of the Catalan Balliu than the Albanian Balliu... but being exaaaaaaactly from the area where the Catalan Balliu is native... well, no more explanations are needed :rolleyes:

LOOOL at saying the Catalan Balliu, documented from 5 centuries ago already, and explained by a Catalan expert philologist as native, comes from Albanians settled in that zone (something that for your disgrace is not documented :thumb001:).




In Spain's case that was for olympic athletes.


1- I dont say anithyng about nationalizations. I am against but at least these people got Spanish citizenship for others reasons, not because surnames, obviously.
2- The last guy you posted is Javier Sotomayor too.

[Laberia]

I didn't know there were Stratioti in Spain. SMFH he made an idiot out of himself in this thread.
Everything i said in my post is true. But it's something that can be discussed with people who really have knowledge about the history of Spain. Not with retards like viejo&Co.

[Cristiano viejo]

Everything i said in my post is true. But it's something that can be discussed with people who really have knowledge about the history of Spain. Not with retards like viejo&Co.

Spain had the delicacy to let to bury the corpse of that Albanian in Valencia (that can change and any day that tomb could be desecrated, by the way).
Your pervert mind thinks that means = Albanian presence in Spain :lol:

I insist in my theory: Balliu surname was brought to Albania by the Spanish conquistadores of Durres in 1376.

[Albobalboa]

Everything i said in my post is true. But it's something that can be discussed with people who really have knowledge about the history of Spain. Not with retards like viejo&Co.

I guess you're right, it's just a waste of time here. So probably the Balliu from medieval times through Stratioti mercenaries?

[Laberia]

Spain had the delicacy to let to bury the corpse of that Albanian in Valencia (that can change and any day that tomb could be desecrated, by the way).
Your pervert mind thinks that means = Albanian presence in Spain :lol:

I insist in my theory: Balliu surname was brought to Albania by the Spanish conquistadores of Durres in 1376.

My post was very long and i explained many arguments. But for an idiot like you is difficult to make an civilised discussion. Now, please stop quoting me for this argument, it's useless to discuss with you. And the most important thing, we are talking about a Catalan, not a Spaniard.
Peace and love and FREEDOM FOR CATALUNYA.

[Cristiano viejo]

the most important thing, we are talking about a Catalan


FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remember, not Albanian in him, not Albanian in him, not Albanian in him :thumb001:

[Albobalboa]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remember, not Albanian in him, not Albanian in him, not Albanian in him :thumb001:

""La historia de su llamada es, cuanto menos, curiosa. Balliu desconocía sus raíces albanesas, pero la Federación de Fútbol de Albania (FSHF) descubrió en su apellido paterno una vía de nacionalización para potenciar su selección. "En abril me llamaron y tuve una reunión con el presidente [Armand Duka]. Me preguntaron por mi apellido, porque es muy típico en Albania. Luego comenzaron a rastrear y resulta que la familia por parte de mi padre tenía ascendencia albanesa, algo que yo desconocía porque perdieron el contacto", asegura a MARCA. Su debut incluso se ha retrasado más de lo esperado: "Hablé con el exseleccionador, Gianni de Biasi, antes de su marcha. Quería que jugase los partidos de junio, pero por temas de papeleo no pudo ser".

[Cristiano viejo]

""La historia de su llamada es, cuanto menos, curiosa. Balliu desconocía sus raíces albanesas, pero la Federación de Fútbol de Albania (FSHF) descubrió en su apellido paterno una vía de nacionalización para potenciar su selección. "En abril me llamaron y tuve una reunión con el presidente [Armand Duka]. Me preguntaron por mi apellido, porque es muy típico en Albania. Luego comenzaron a rastrear y resulta que la familia por parte de mi padre tenía ascendencia albanesa, algo que yo desconocía porque perdieron el contacto", asegura a MARCA. Su debut incluso se ha retrasado más de lo esperado: "Hablé con el exseleccionador, Gianni de Biasi, antes de su marcha. Quería que jugase los partidos de junio, pero por temas de papeleo no pudo ser".

Thanks for proving what I am saying, Albobalboa.

Balboa, another Spanish surname that probably in reality is Albanian too according Albanian members... :laugh:
The imaginary army of Scumdenberg brought it here to Spain too from the dear Albania... :laugh:

[Albobalboa]

Thanks for proving what I am saying, Albobalboa.

Balboa, another Spanish surname that probably in reality is Albanian too according Albanian members... :laugh:
The imaginary army of Scumdenberg brought it here to Spain too from the dear Albania... :laugh:

""La historia de su llamada es, cuanto menos, curiosa. Balliu desconocía sus raíces albanesas, pero la Federación de Fútbol de Albania (FSHF) descubrió en su apellido paterno una vía de nacionalización para potenciar su selección. "En abril me llamaron y tuve una reunión con el presidente [Armand Duka]. Me preguntaron por mi apellido, porque es muy típico en Albania. Luego comenzaron a rastrear y resulta que la familia por parte de mi padre tenía ascendencia albanesa, algo que yo desconocía porque perdieron el contacto", asegura a MARCA. Su debut incluso se ha retrasado más de lo esperado: "Hablé con el exseleccionador, Gianni de Biasi, antes de su marcha. Quería que jugase los partidos de junio, pero por temas de papeleo no pudo ser".

Stay mad

[Laberia]

I guess you're right, it's just a waste of time here. So probably the Balliu from medieval times through Stratioti mercenaries?

This is my opinion. But we can learn more if the reasonable Spanish members here, consider this topic just a curiosity and not a reason for flame war. This Balliu is just an individual. Personally i am against that he is part of our team.
The Albanian presence in Spain is an interesting topic, from the middle ages until in our days. There were, among other nationalities, Albanians who participated in the Spanish Civil War, some of them were killed in the battle. One of the most important important people in the Spanish federation of soccer is an Albanian, i think is named Eduart Dervishi. So, it's a story from middle ages until in our days. A curious topic, but probably we are in the wrong place to discuss about all this.

[Albobalboa]

These are examples of people with zero family relation no matter how far back playing for a national team just due to citizenship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferenc_Pusk%C3%A1s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Kubala

kek. Both foreign players for Spain.

[Laberia]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remember, not Albanian in him, not Albanian in him, not Albanian in him :thumb001:

Of course he is an Catalan now, you dumbass. This Albanian diaspora in Spain was small and was easily assimilated. The story of Arbëreshë in Italy is an different story.

[Laberia]

These are examples of people with zero family relation no matter how far back playing for a national team just due to citizenship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferenc_Pusk%C3%A1s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Kubala

kek. Both foreign players for Spain.
Of course. I remember that recently the Spanish team had an brasilian as attacker. There is not a single foreign player in the history of our National Team of Soccer.
Every nation has it specific history. Albania is a country(for different reasons) with an important diaspora and sorrounded by Albanian lands inhabited by ethnic Albanians. Now, the National Team, first of all is a team of soccer, but also is a National Team and in a way or another this team have this possibility or obligation to represent all the Albanians, inside and outside the borders, because represent the nation and not just the Republic of Albania.

[Cristiano viejo]

Well, delusional Albanians, I gave you the chance to provide some kind of proofs or something to show this Iván Balliu does not belong to the ancient Catalan Balliu branch but you failed miserably. Not only that, but you have the need to invent there were Albanian soldiers in Spain :lol: (with zero proofs again, of course...).

Now that all of you know the truth I will ask a mod to close this thread, your contributiones are zero, like the percentage of Albanian blood in him :victory0: so makes no sense to continue this surreal discussion.

To finish my post I have to say that it has been HILARIOUS that Albanians tried to steal the identity of this Spaniard to represent the Albanian football team.
No one of them is as blond and white as this guy is :laugh: