Is the East Med phenotype european?

[Decius]

Is it european? what is it a mixture of?

https://i.imgur.com/e0WApfM.jpg

[Mortimer]

It exists in Sicily and Greece but also in Middle East/Levant/Anatolia. So its a pan-caucasoid phenotype.

[Decius]

It exists in Sicily and Greece but also in Middle East/Levant/Anatolia. So its a pan-caucasoid phenotype.

Do you think it might have existed among the ancient greeks?

[Dick]

Subraces don't exist.

[catgeorge]

Yes - Minoan and Helladic culture was made of East Med types and Athens was built by Ionians from Asia Minor.

Dorians came later.

[Mortimer]

Do you think it might have existed among the ancient greeks?

yes it was very common i think. most common.

http://quatr.us/greeks/people/pictures/boys.jpg

[Sikeliot]

It doesn't exist as a separate type -- you are going by some sort of do-it-yourself website made by someone with little knowledge of phenotypes.

Anthropologists used "East Med" to mean Pontid, not the large-eyed, prominent nose types found in places like Sicily.

[decordoba]

Eastern Mediterran is European - but there is an overlap to Orientalid or West Asian, also Pontid (Black Sea tribes).

Eastern Mediterran have high % on Alpine-Med - their ancient roots are unknown - maybe Asiatic Alpine and paleolithic immigration during Ice-age

[Decius]

It doesn't exist as a separate type -- you are going by some sort of do-it-yourself website made by someone with little knowledge of phenotypes.

Anthropologists used "East Med" to mean Pontid, not the large-eyed, prominent nose types found in places like Sicily.

So east-med is Pontid?

[Hudayar]

If you put an East Med in a Central-European or Northern European country locals would easily notice him/her. But the phenotype can pass very easily in Southern European countries. Btw one of my uncles look like this. But i'm far from that phenotype.

[Sikeliot]

So east-med is Pontid?

By proper definition, yes. The "East Med" seen above is a made up type and is basically people who look like extreme southern Italians. But this isn't its own type, it's just mixtures of Med, Armenoid, Dinarid, Alpine.

[Decius]

By proper definition, yes. The "East Med" seen above is a made up type and is basically people who look like extreme southern Italians. But this isn't its own type, it's just mixtures of Med, Armenoid, Dinarid, Alpine.

Its also a common type in Greece

[Sikeliot]

Its also a common type in Greece

I dispute that. Greeks do not look like far southern Italians no matter how much people on here wish that was otherwise.

[Mortimer]

So east-med is Pontid?

pontid is east med + northern i think

[Sikeliot]

pontid is east med + northern i think

Only in pseudo-scientific online forums.

[DarknessWin]

It doesn't exist as a separate type -- you are going by some sort of do-it-yourself website made by someone with little knowledge of phenotypes.

Anthropologists used "East Med" to mean Pontid, not the large-eyed, prominent nose types found in places like Sicily.

East Med is not Phenotype but a term meaning many different types of east meditteranean.
So East Med term include european (Pontids) and middle east (Orientalids)

The only european East Med is PONTID
the others are Levantine Orientalids and they are not European and not even Meditteranean phenotypes

So East Med is false term and need to stop

[Sikeliot]

East Med is not Phenotype but a term meaning many different types of east meditteranean.
So East Med term include european (Pontids) and middle east (Orientalids)

The only european East Med is PONTID
the others are Levantine Orientalids and they are not European and not even Meditteranean phenotypes

So East Med is false term and need to stop


Yes, I agree. And the Orientalid type and Pontid are not even related... the Levantine look does not exist in Greece nor any Balkan nation and is only present on a few islands and places like Calabria.

[DarknessWin]

If you put an East Med in a Central-European or Northern European country locals would easily notice him/her. But the phenotype can pass very easily in Southern European countries. Btw one of my uncles look like this. But i'm far from that phenotype.

What type of East Med ??
Pontid can pass but Orientalids of course not

[Decius]

East Med is not Phenotype but a term meaning many different types of east meditteranean.
So East Med term include european (Pontids) and middle east (Orientalids)

The only european East Med is PONTID
the others are Levantine Orientalids and they are not European and not even Meditteranean phenotypes

So East Med is false term and need to stop

Do these morphs look oriental influenced

https://i.imgur.com/e0WApfM.jpg

[DarknessWin]

Yes, I agree. And the Orientalid type and Pontid are not even related... the Levantine look does not exist in Greece nor any Balkan nation and is only present on a few islands and places like Calabria.

Actually Orientalid type exist in Greece but in very very few numbers and mostly from gypsies and cypriot root population.
I dont understand why they call orientalids (Meditteranean type)

Actually England types are more Mediterranean than Orientalids.
Orientalids are connected to Caucasian phenotypes and not Mediterranean
so only East Med type = just Pontid

https://i.imgur.com/jNxWgDj.gif

[DarknessWin]

Do these morphs look oriental influenced

https://i.imgur.com/e0WApfM.jpg

This morphs are False,
east med not exist

East Med is all the phenotypes of east meditteranean including Pontid and Orientalids

[Сербо Макеридов]

East Med is present in souhern Italy, Sicily, Greece, Cyprus, Turkey, Syria and Lebanon, which means that East Med is in the same time European and Levantine phenotype.

[DarknessWin]

East Med is present in souhern Italy, Sicily, Greece, Cyprus, Turkey, Syria and Lebanon, which means that East Med is in the same time European and Levantine phenotype.

I told you that East Med is both Pontid and Orientalid ,
all phenotypes of East mediteranean. East Med is not Phenotype but a general term of many phenotypes

The morphs are false. East Med of European is just Pontid
And east med of Levant are only Orientalids

Pontid and Orientalid are not connected and actually Orientalids are not Mediteranean phenotypes so they
must not be part of East Med category

so East Med = just Pontid

[Sikeliot]

What we call East Med in Greece seems like a dark Pontid. In Sicilians it's really just Med-Armenoid. I don't see any unifying type that unites all of those places.

[Impaler]

What we call East Med in Greece seems like a dark Pontid. In Sicilians it's really just Med-Armenoid. I don't see any unifying type that unites all of those places.

So am I East Med, not just Pontid?

[Сербо Макеридов]

I told you that East Med is both Pontid and Orientalid ,
all phenotypes of East mediteranean. East Med is not Phenotype but a general term of many phenotypes

The morphs are false. East Med of European is just Pontid
And east med of Levant are only Orientalids

Pontid and Orientalid are not connected and actually Orientalids are not Mediteranean phenotypes so they
must not be part of East Med category

so East Med = just Pontid

You're confused bro, East Med and Pontid are different phenotypes.

[Sikeliot]

So am I East Med, not just Pontid?

You are some sort of Pontid type. You are not the same phenotype as what is found in the Levant, no.

[Sikeliot]

You're confused bro, East Med and Pontid are different phenotypes.

But there is no unifying type that is found in southern Italy, Greece, Turkey, and the Levant.

[Maria Sharapova]

Is it european?

https://i.imgur.com/e0WApfM.jpg

The simple answer: Yes.

[Hadouken]

East Mediterranids are leptomorphic/ long headed Med types from the eastern mediterranean region

there are european east meds and west asian east meds . you can often tell the difference by some nuances but they are similar . the west asian med type is the cappadocian med type which is basically the atlanto med of west asia and is to find from Lebanon to (especially north/west) Iran + somewhat in the Caucasus (especially south)


FIG. 1 (3 views). A Turk from Kharput, eastern Turkey. This moderately tall, brunet Mediterranean Turk is remarkable for his considerable head length, and especially for the great height of his upper face and nose.


https://pp.vk.me/c627623/v627623529/2326a/SVrDTWdm9GI.jpg

some non european examples

Syrian
http://s22.postimg.org/bu1a8w8q9/image.jpg

Turkish
http://www.flashaber.com.tr/Haber_foto/kadirinanirkanser.jpg
http://www.orduajans.com/images/haberler/baris_kilic_kimdir_nereli_esi_ailesi_adini_feriha_ koydum_kaptan_levent_h2467.jpg
http://d.haberciniz.biz/other/kadir-dogulu-neslihan-asik-olunasi-bir-insan-DHA-2ff51ff43a91a3659c3aa96e077080a1-3-t.jpg
http://i.radikal.com.tr/GaleriHaber/2014/01/19/fft22_mf1921310.Jpeg
http://s24.postimg.org/8d9iy1w2d/bariskilic3.jpg
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31200000/Bugra-Gulsoy-turkish-actors-and-actresses-31223033-364-500.jpg

Lebanese
http://s14.postimg.org/7bejuq10h/261enhz.jpg
Prism


Kurdish

http://up.picr.de/30500402yr.jpg

http://up.picr.de/30500403ti.jpg


European examples

Greek

https://cretadrive.gr/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/kaloutsaki-bond-03.jpg

Greek

http://up.picr.de/30500418hx.jpg


http://cyprus-mail.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/maxresdefault-770x480.jpg


there are east meds among other euros too not only greeks but this is enough so far

to answer your question OP . the european east meds are european while the non european east meds are non european

you eitherb belong to a european ethnicity or you dont . dont see the relation to phenotype

[Сербо Макеридов]

But there is no unifying type that is found in southern Italy, Greece, Turkey, and the Levant.

Of course, I did not say that.

[Sikeliot]

Of course, I did not say that.

I know. I am just saying I see everything from dark Atlanta-Meds with larger noses, to Med-Armenoid types, to significantly Arab looking people all called "East Med".

[Odin]

Yup.

[DarknessWin]

You're confused bro, East Med and Pontid are different phenotypes.

FFS East Med used only from B.J.Lundman and its NOT A PHENOTYPE
That's what he mean with East Med

B.J.Lundman

Systematic Appendix: The Races of Europe
II. Progressive Procopomorphic Types - All Extremely Long-Skulled.

a) East-Mediterranean Race: dark pigmented, with many subraces.

1. The Pontid (in southern Russia).

And also...

2. The Iranid: partly influenced by the Arabid race, with narrow rectangular face.
3. The North-Indid: very tall, heavily bearded, large nose, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
4. The Gangid: small, very gracile, with thin, sparse beard, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
5. The Nesid (in the South Seas).
6. The Saharid or South-Mediterranean (in North Africa): rather tall and gracile, with a low frequency of blood type gene q.
7. The Aegyptid: very closely related to the Saharid, but with a high frequency of blood type gene q.

Its not Phenotype, its general term and include Pontid phenotype in Europe.
So East Meds in Europe are just Pontids

[Sikeliot]

There probably actually are SOME Pontid types in Sicily in the southeast which is where all of the Greek settlement was.. it is a native Balkan phenotype and is not related to Orientalid.

[DarknessWin]

So am I East Med, not just Pontid?

You are Pontid in Phenotype ,
and Pontid is in East Med category

East Med is just category not Phenotype

[DarknessWin]

There probably actually are SOME Pontid types in Sicily in the southeast which is where all of the Greek settlement was.. it is a native Balkan phenotype and is not related to Orientalid.

Pontid is 100% Med, not Balkan

Balkan phenotype is Dinarid

[Сербо Макеридов]

FFS East Med used only from B.J.Lundman and its NOT A PHENOTYPE
That's what he mean with East Med

B.J.Lundman

Systematic Appendix: The Races of Europe
II. Progressive Procopomorphic Types - All Extremely Long-Skulled.

a) East-Mediterranean Race: dark pigmented, with many subraces.

1. The Pontid (in southern Russia).

And also...

2. The Iranid: partly influenced by the Arabid race, with narrow rectangular face.
3. The North-Indid: very tall, heavily bearded, large nose, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
4. The Gangid: small, very gracile, with thin, sparse beard, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
5. The Nesid (in the South Seas).
6. The Saharid or South-Mediterranean (in North Africa): rather tall and gracile, with a low frequency of blood type gene q.
7. The Aegyptid: very closely related to the Saharid, but with a high frequency of blood type gene q.

Its not Phenotype, its general term and include Pontid phenotype in Europe.
So East Meds in Europe are just Pontids

This Serbian actor is good example of Pontid

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yXQykblnoUA/hqdefault.jpg

He can not pass in Levant or Turkey.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Pontid is 100% Med, not Balkan

Balkan phenotype is Dinarid

Greece is Balkan country and Greeks are not Dinarids, what are we going to do withit?

https://belisarius21.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/balkan_topo_en2.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Balkan_Peninsula.svg/500px-Balkan_Peninsula.svg.png

[DarknessWin]

This Serbian actor is good example of Pontid

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yXQykblnoUA/hqdefault.jpg

He can not pass in Levant or Turkey.

Of course not , i never said that Pontid pass in Levant

I said that Pontid belong to East Med category because it is Med.

East Meds in Levant are not Pontids but Orientalids,
East Meds in Europe are Pontids.
East Meds in north Africa are Aegyptids

All of them have nothing to do one to another.
East Med is just a CATEGORY of different Phenotypes of East Meditteranean region

Its not Phenotype.
Its so difficult to understand this??

[DarknessWin]

Greece is Balkan country and Greeks are not Dinarids, what are we going to do withit?

https://belisarius21.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/balkan_topo_en2.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Balkan_Peninsula.svg/500px-Balkan_Peninsula.svg.png


Yes we are Balkan geographically but balkans are separated to 2 different phenotypes.
Dinarid to west balkans and Pontid to South and East balkans

Dinarid and Pontid are totally different.
That's why Albanians in Greece look like Aliens, they are totally different

http://i.imgur.com/9JN7qkN.png

On the other hand Pontids of Greece , Bulgaria and East Romania are totally connected

[Сербо Макеридов]

Yes we are Balkan geographically but balkans are separated to 2 different phenotypes.
Dinarid to west balkans and Pontid to South and East balkans

Dinarid and Pontid are totally different.
That's why Albanians in Greece look like Aliens, they are totally different

http://i.imgur.com/9JN7qkN.png

On the other hand Pontids of Greece , Bulgaria and East Romania are totally connected

You claims that Albanians are pred. Dinarids and you also claims that Serbs are pred. Dinarids, but anyone who was in Serbia and Albania know that Serbs and Albanians look quite different, more different than Albanians and Greeks.

How do you explain that?

[Sikeliot]

Genetics aside Greeks look more Bulgarian and ROmanian rather than Serb or Albanian.

[DarknessWin]

You claims that Albanians are pred. Dinarids and you also claims that Serbs are pred. Dinarids, but anyone who was in Serbia and Albania know that Serbs and Albanians look quite different, more different than Albanians and Greeks.

How do you explain that?

Because south Serbia have around 40% Pontid meds and north Serbia have also Gorid and Borreby

[DarknessWin]

Genetics aside Greeks look more Bulgarian and ROmanian rather than Serb or Albanian.

Agree , only South Serbians have a lot of Pontids and they look similar to us.
But still most of them are Dinarics

[Сербо Макеридов]

Because south Serbia have around 40% Pontid meds and north Serbia have also Gorid and Borreby

South Serbia: Pontid and Alpine mostly, often type is also Pontid-Alpine mix, lighter people are mostly North Pontids.

Central Serbia: Pontid, Gorid, Alpine, Dinarid, often type is Pontid-Gorid mix.

Western Serbia: Dinarid, Norid, Balkan Borreby, Gorid, often type is Dinarid-Gorid and Norid-Gorid mix.

Northern Serbia: mostly Alpine and Gorid, in northern Serbia exist Baltid in smaller percentage and in others parts of Serbia Baltid is very rare.

East Serbia: mostly Pontid and Med, in east Serbia majority of population are Vlach origin.

[Dick]

No.


Agree , only South Serbians have a lot of Pontids and they look similar to us.
But still most of them are Dinarics

Stop trying to pass Slavs off as Greeks.

[Tauromachos]

Yes - Minoan and Helladic culture was made of East Med types and Athens was built by Ionians from Asia Minor.

Dorians came later.

Nonensense
Ionians and Dorians both where classical Greeks and not pure East Meds anymore.

Minoans,not sure if East Med is the most appropriate.

East-Med in the sense of Aegean Greek Med type is native to Greece and never disappeared.
This is true so far

[DarknessWin]

No.



Stop trying to pass Slavs off as Greeks.


I try nothing , i just say the truth.
Pontid is med phenotype and exist in Balkans from Greeks and Thracians

Its not slavic

Dinarid is Illyrian, so not Slavic either

The only slavic phenotypes are Gorid and Baltid

[Сербо Макеридов]

I try nothing , i just say the truth.
Pontid is med phenotype and exist in Balkans from Greeks and Thracians

Its not slavic

Dinarid is Illyrian, so not Slavic either

The only slavic phenotypes are Gorid and Baltid

For Illyrians is only known from ancient Greek and Roman sources that they were tall and light pigmented, which may means they were Norids.

Among Thracians red hair were present, but very little is known about average Thracian look.

This is the fresco of Trachian woman with red hair from one cave in Bulgaria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians#/media/File:Thrace-ostrusha.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Thrace-ostrusha.jpg

[Zroota]

East Meds are mostly from Western Asia. So no, not always (besides Aegean Meds and Cypriot Europeans).

[Tauromachos]

Genetics aside Greeks look more Bulgarian and ROmanian rather than Serb or Albanian.

They don't realy look like none of those

Also Greek Islanders look Greek as well in the common perception of people if not even more so than other Greeks

[Sikeliot]

East Meds are mostly from Western Asia. So no, not always (besides Aegean Meds and Cypriot Europeans).

East Med doesn't exist and "Aegean Med" was made up on this forum, and Greeks don't look West Asian either.!

[Voskos]

Subraces don't exist.

only serbs and non serbs are the two main races.

[Tauromachos]

East Med doesn't exist and "Aegean Med" was made up on this forum, and Greeks don't look West Asian either.!

Aegean Med is a term used by Greek Anthropoligist Aris Poulianos to describe a local Greek variation of Med type and its as legit as
terms such as Atlanto-Med,Gracile Me,Cappadocian Med or Pontid

Whats your problem with it?

[Sikeliot]

Aegean Med is a term used by Greek Anthropoligist Aris Poulianos to describe a local Greek variation of Med type and its as legit as
terms such as Atlanto-Med,Gracile Me,Cappadocian Med or Pontid

Whats your problem with it?

It's not a Middle Eastern phenotype unlike what is being described above, if it does exist.

[Tauromachos]

It's not a Middle Eastern phenotype unlike what is being described above, if it does exist.

Its a Greek Med phenotype"Aegean Med"

[Zroota]

East Med doesn't exist and "Aegean Med" was made up on this forum, and Greeks don't look West Asian either.!
East Med and Aegean Med 'exist' as geographical regions in the eastern Mediterranean area. The Levant is in eastern Med and their inhabitants are not European, ergo if "east med" is a phenotype then it is not European because many "east meds" are from the Levant. That was the point I was trying to make.

And nobody was insinuating that Greeks look West Asian.

[Sikeliot]

East Med and Aegean Med 'exist' as geographical regions in the eastern Mediterranean area. The Levant is in eastern Med and their inhabitants are not European, ergo if "east med" is a phenotype then it is not European because many "east meds" are from the Levant. That was the point I was trying to make.

And nobody was insinuating that Greeks look West Asian.

But the phenotype in the Levant that people classify as "East Med" is a different phenotype than the one people classify as such within Europe.

[Zroota]

But the phenotype in the Levant that people classify as "East Med" is a different phenotype than the one people classify as such within Europe.
What should Levantine Meds be called then?

I personally cannot always distinguish Atlanto-Meds and Gracile Meds. But the thing is, Levantine Meds don't always looks like the former. They have a distinct look in most cases. That's why think a classification like 'east med' (or something similar) should exist and cover Mediterranean-looking Levantine people.

[cyberlorian]

What should Levantine Meds be called then?

I personally cannot always distinguish Atlanto-Meds and Gracile Meds. But the thing is, Levantine Meds don't always looks like the former. They have a distinct look in most cases. That's why think a classification like 'east med' (or something similar) should exist and cover Mediterranean-looking Levantine people.

They might just be Iranids or Arabids.

[Hadouken]

They might just be Iranids or Arabids.

stfu

[cyberlorian]

stfu

Ne ya?

[Teucer]

People debating the validity of a classification when all classifications were made up in the imagination of one man.

Priceless

[DarknessWin]

East Med dont exist, is actually Pontid mix with Orientalid

I think its not european and dont even exist in Greece actually,
only Cyprus and Levant

[cyberlorian]

East Med dont exist, is actually Pontid mix with Orientalid

I think its not european and dont even exist in Greece actually,
only Cyprus and Levant

Which Orientalid? Iranid or Arabid?

[DarknessWin]

Which Orientalid? Iranid or Arabid?

All of them mixed with Pontid give the "east med" fantasy type

[Zroota]

East Med dont exist, is actually Pontid mix with Orientalid

I think its not european and dont even exist in Greece actually,
only Cyprus and Levant
I wouldn't say East Med is just Pontid mixed with Orientalid, but also Armenoid as well (it's 50/50 I say). Pontid is under the Eastern Mediterranean umbrella though.

Anyway, I can't believe that I used East-Med to classify people. It's so cringeworthy. I took the red pill on that part. It's not a real classification and it shouldn't be used. And I still see it scattered at times here... *cringe*

[DarknessWin]

I wouldn't say East Med is just Pontid mixed with Orientalid, but also Armenoid as well (it's 50/50 I say). Pontid is under the Eastern Mediterranean umbrella though.

Anyway, I can't believe that I used East-Med to classify people. It's so cringeworthy. I took the red pill on that part. It's not a real classification and it shouldn't be used. And I still see it scattered at times here... *cringe*

Agree , every Pontid med type mixed with MENA types or anatolid,armenoid classified as "east med"
this must stop

For example i will use Pontid+Armenoid or Pontid+Iranid etc than the fake "east med"