Do these Gypsy People look like Indians?

[Mortimer]

Cristiano Viejo posted them as typical/average Gitanos in Spain. So I take his word, they indeed have same colouring and similar features as my family. So yes. Do they look Indian to you? They for sure are very dark, but I think the features are not really Indian. I think I wouldnt mistake them as Indians. What about you?

https://s3.eestatic.com/2016/10/15/actualidad/Actualidad_163245848_19039231_854x640.jpg

The blonde woman is non-gypsy spaniard.

http://dm.h-cdn.co/assets/17/22/640x320/landscape-1496242896-antonio-carmona-portada.jpg

Two Gypsy Brothers and their sisters.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/smd-chueca/images/6/0/29960_los-chunguitos.jpghttp://olevision.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/AzucarMoreno-644x362.jpg

[Odin]

Nope.

[Purohit ji]

Half of them can pass with indian clothing style in central and north india.

[Mortimer]

Half of them can pass with indian clothing style in central and north india.

I think they wouldnt stand out in india as much as in Europe, because they are really very dark and exotic etc. but I think they dont look exactly indian, i think they are different and their own thing. But yes for the untrained eye they would not stand out that much.

[Purohit ji]

I think they wouldnt stand out in india as much as in Europe, because they are really very dark and exotic etc. but I think they dont look exactly indian, i think they are different and their own thing. But yes for the untrained eye they would not stand out that much.

yes same like some light skin afghans can pass in Europe.

[Mortimer]

yes same like some light skin afghans can pass in Europe.

some arabs can also pass in india, i claim that even some italians could pass in india.

would this guy pass in india? https://www.gutefrage.net/frage/araber-oder-tuerke-bin-aber-italiener

[MagnusAurelius]

some arabs can also pass in india, i claim that even some italians could pass in india.

would this guy pass in india? https://www.gutefrage.net/frage/araber-oder-tuerke-bin-aber-italiener

The only Italians who pass in India are bollywood movie look alikes, aka, a very small segment of the Indian population. Most Italians can't even pass for MiddleEastern looking, they all look like typical Mediteranean types.

https://i.imgur.com/Maf4KkS.jpg Comparing Italy and Iran, only the 8th guy on the top row can pass for Persian/Iranian.


https://i.imgur.com/4Kg78rG.jpg The typical Iranian, a dirty looking light brown skinned scumbag. They look like scumbag muslims judging from their faces.

[Mortimer]

The only Italians who pass in India are bollywood movie look alikes, aka, a very small segment of the Indian population.

I rather trust purohit ji if this dude would pass in india than you.

[Decius]

Some look Indian some dont

[Mortimer]

Some look Indian some dont

which ones look indian?

[MagnusAurelius]

I rather trust purohit ji if this dude would pass in india than you.

You are obsessed with who can pass where because you are insecure about your ancestry. Obviously that Italian can pass in North India. My point is these are exotic Italian types who most likely have significant Neolithic/Etruscan ancestry that gives them the brown North Indian look.

The average Italian does not look like a dirty light brown skinned scumbag as seen here.

https://i.imgur.com/Maf4KkS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4Kg78rG.jpg

I am just judging them by the way they look, looks can be deceiving, the point is the Italians look like Noble Mediterranean types and the Iranians look like dirty scumbag light brown skinned nasty muslim degenerates. I am not surprised these scum people who worship kings and dictators like Idols were destroyed and owned by Alexander the Greats Greek army.

Zoom in on their faces, the Iranians look like dirty nasty scumbags compared to the Italians.

[Mortimer]

The only Italians who pass in India are bollywood movie look alikes, aka, a very small segment of the Indian population. Most Italians can't even pass for MiddleEastern looking, they all look like typical Mediteranean types.

https://i.imgur.com/Maf4KkS.jpg Comparing Italy and Iran, only the 8th guy on the top row can pass for Persian/Iranian.


https://i.imgur.com/4Kg78rG.jpg The typical Iranian, a dirty looking light brown skinned scumbag. They look like scumbag muslims judging from their faces.

most italians look nothing iranian or indian, but i talked about a small minority who is dark and would pass in middle easte and even as atypical in northindia. this dude for example who i posted.

more of italians who would pass
2 or 3 would pass
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xm_4TtJiCqU/U3ZntJjwlLI/AAAAAAAAACc/gFzPrKvG6Nw/s1600/Italian+people+North+Italians+Italy+12345jugyftdrk jugyft.jpg

[Mortimer]

You are obsessed with who can pass where because you are insecure about your ancestry. Obviously that Italian can pass in North India. My point is these are exotic Italian types who most likely have significant Neolithic/Etruscan ancestry that gives them the brown North Indian look.

The average Italian does not look like a dirty light brown skinned scumbag as seen here.

https://i.imgur.com/Maf4KkS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4Kg78rG.jpg

I am just judging them by the way they look, looks can be deceiving, the point is the Italians look like Noble Mediterranean types and the Iranians look like dirty scumbag light brown skinned nasty muslim degenerates. I am not surprised these scum people who worship kings and dictators like Idols were destroyed and owned by Alexander the Greats Greek army.

Zoom in on their faces, the Iranians look like dirty nasty scumbags compared to the Italians.

agree its only very small minority but they exist.

[Tauromachos]

Indian looking Gypsies

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eqcW4A7F62c/hqdefault.jpghttps://www.mygreek.fm/covers/artist/cover-source/7036/image1270209184.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/GV4hp4xxcn8/hqdefault.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/PrrsM3xzSAU/hqdefault.jpghttp://www.gossip-tv.gr/media/com_news/story/2015/10/19/401624/main/8947894-8.jpghttp://www.gossip-tv.gr/media/com_news/story/2015/12/09/409147/main/paiteris.jpg


https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/12/30/1262193985099/Photo-of-Django-Reinhardt-001.jpghttp://telefonseelsorge-berlin-brandenburg.de/files/images/mw_03_450.jpg

[Mortimer]

Indian looking Gypsies

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eqcW4A7F62c/hqdefault.jpghttps://www.mygreek.fm/covers/artist/cover-source/7036/image1270209184.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/GV4hp4xxcn8/hqdefault.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/PrrsM3xzSAU/hqdefault.jpghttp://www.gossip-tv.gr/media/com_news/story/2015/10/19/401624/main/8947894-8.jpghttp://www.gossip-tv.gr/media/com_news/story/2015/12/09/409147/main/paiteris.jpg


https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/12/30/1262193985099/Photo-of-Django-Reinhardt-001.jpghttp://telefonseelsorge-berlin-brandenburg.de/files/images/mw_03_450.jpg

those dudes dont look indian to me at all.

[Decius]

which ones look indian?

The first picure they look indian

[Tauromachos]

those dudes dont look indian to me at all.

OK

Where do they pass then?

From your photos
http://dm.h-cdn.co/assets/17/22/640x320/landscape-1496242896-antonio-carmona-portada.jpg

I'm not sure perhabs this guy a little?

http://olevision.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/AzucarMoreno-644x362.jpg

This two women ?

Though something seems off for Indian or atypical"more european" in all photos you posted,except the first photo you posted

But those don't look Indian to me neither more like Spanish mixed with something Non-European
Latinos or Mexican

[Mortimer]

The first picure they look indian

Indian national soccer team (i know not all indians look like that) but to me those dudes dont look indian, especially guy on right doesnt look indian at all, guy on left looks northafrican, guy in middle looks maybe the closest to a punjabi but only to a punjabi
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Indian_Team.JPG

[Mortimer]

OK

Where do they pass then?

From your photos
http://dm.h-cdn.co/assets/17/22/640x320/landscape-1496242896-antonio-carmona-portada.jpg

I'm not sure perhabs this guy a little?

they pass only as gypsies (they are mixed race), and this dude doesnt look indian. his nose is very armenoid, he has the caricatured jewish features with dark skin.

https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/thumb/2/29/Jewjitsu.jpg/300px-Jewjitsu.jpg

[Vyasa]

Indian national soccer team (i know not all indians look like that) but to me those dudes dont look indian, especially guy on right doesnt look indian at all, guy on left looks northafrican, guy in middle looks maybe the closest to a punjabi but only to a punjabi
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Indian_Team.JPG

look at the guy on the far left in this pic in the back row

I can tell he's Kashmiri. He can't even pass in Punjab lmao. Indians are basically dark brown except in a handful of NW states

[Tauromachos]

they pass only as gypsies (they are mixed race), and this dude doesnt look indian. his nose is very armenoid


I agree

[Hadouken]

agree its only very small minority but they exist.

what do you have against iranians ? they are nice people in general

you say "agree" to him . if anybody just says the slight bad thing against gypsies you take offense

[lameduck]

look at the guy on the far left in this pic in the back row

I can tell he's Kashmiri. He can't even pass in Punjab lmao. Indians are basically dark brown except in a handful of NW states

he can easily pass as Pashtun , reminds me of former Pak cricketer Raiz Afridi

but you are right , it amazes me how dark is South Asia lol there are so many dark people in NW too

[Purohit ji]

some arabs can also pass in india, i claim that even some italians could pass in india.

would this guy pass in india? https://www.gutefrage.net/frage/araber-oder-tuerke-bin-aber-italiener

yes as a atypical haryanvi/punjabi like this indian male model. Mr world
Inder bajwa
http://www.fdci.org/imagelibrary/memberphoto/InderBajwa634492975071580000.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/e6/6f/af/e66fafd49d38a9ef107c83fb4c65b75a.jpg

[Mortimer]

what do you have against iranians ? they are nice people in general

you say "agree" to him . if anybody just says the slight bad thing against gypsies you take offense

I have nothing against iranians bro i agreed to that only a minority of italians look iranian to nothing else

[Hadouken]

I have nothing against iranians bro i agreed to that only a minority of italians look iranian to nothing else

I misunderstood then . not that it bothers me much anyway I am not iranian but they are good people in my experience I wanted to tell you :)

[Mortimer]

I misunderstood then . not that it bothers me much anyway I am not iranian but they are good people in my experience I wanted to tell you :)

True they are good people bro i have nothing against them

[MagnusAurelius]

look at the guy on the far left in this pic in the back row

I can tell he's Kashmiri. He can't even pass in Punjab lmao. Indians are basically dark brown except in a handful of NW states

Majority of Indians in North/Central India are a medium tone brown/dark brown.

Jammu & Kashmir, Punjab, Haryana, Uttaranchal, Himanchal Pradesh, Pakistan and Afganistan all have large numbers of people % wise among their population with fair/pale brown/light brown skin. Not counting their Scheduled caste Dalit/Tribal populations of course.

[lameduck]

usually people in Indus Valley (East Pakistan- NW india) have this skin tone

http://i.imgur.com/6rXGXRD.jpg

with a significant minority of darker people

Usually People in Hindukush(West Pakistan-East Afghanistan) have this skin tone
http://i.dawn.com/large/2015/12/567eef9286ff0.jpg

[Mortimer]

usually people in Indus Valley (East Pakistan- NW india) have this skin tone

http://i.imgur.com/6rXGXRD.jpg

with a significant minority of darker people

Usually People in Hindukush(West Pakistan-East Afghanistan) have this skin tone
http://i.dawn.com/large/2015/12/567eef9286ff0.jpg

they can even be lighter then roma, but they are different still because they are proper irano-afghan types. but roma are different, i dont even know what roma are taxonomically but i recnognise them to be roma.

[jamakzai12]

most italians look nothing iranian or indian, but i talked about a small minority who is dark and would pass in middle easte and even as atypical in northindia. this dude for example who i posted.

more of italians who would pass
2 or 3 would pass
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xm_4TtJiCqU/U3ZntJjwlLI/AAAAAAAAACc/gFzPrKvG6Nw/s1600/Italian+people+North+Italians+Italy+12345jugyftdrk jugyft.jpg

Lol nope they wouldnt even pass in north india, unless its in the kalash areas. They do however pass for iranians. (nortth iranians)

[Tauromachos]

If you want Indian or Gypsy looking Italians then some Sicilians
from Sikeliot's nightclub albums would do fine

[jamakzai12]

i wouldnt say indian at all, in my personal opinion. They look more mexican, or hispanic, but def not indian.

[Scar]

They don't look South Asian, they look like darkened Europeans, like most Gypsies. They would pass superficially in India or Pakistan because they are dark, but they don't look exactly like South Asians. It's the same case with most MENAs, many of them would pass in South Asia but it doesn't mean they look South Asian.

Gypsies generally look like a mix of their host population and low caste Indians, that's why they are dark but have Europoid features that differ from non-dalit North Indians.
North Indians are basically a mix of proper Irano-Afghan Caucasoid types with Veddoid in different proportions (the ones who doesn't show Veddoid at all or show very little can pass for Iranians, Afghans and maybe Armenians) and Gypsies are a mix of European Caucasoid types like Dinaric, Alpine, Mediterranean, Nordic etc. with Veddoid.

These Spanish Gypsies look like Iberians mixed with Veddoid. You can see the Veddoid influence in skin tone and slightly in some facial features. Maybe they also inherited some Near Eastern features through Dravidian/Neolithic Iranian Caucasoids.

[Mortimer]

They don't look South Asian, they look like darkened Europeans, like most Gypsies. They would pass superficially in India or Pakistan because they are dark, but they don't look exactly like South Asians. It's the same case with most MENAs, many of them would pass in South Asia but it doesn't mean they look South Asian.

Gypsies generally look like a mix of their host population and low caste Indians, that's why they are dark but have Europoid features that differ from non-dalit North Indians.
North Indians are basically a mix of proper Irano-Afghan Caucasoid types with Veddoid in different proportions (the ones who doesn't show Veddoid at all or show very little can pass for Iranians, Afghans and maybe Armenians) and Gypsies are a mix of European Caucasoid types like Dinaric, Alpine, Mediterranean, Nordic etc. with Veddoid.

These Spanish Gypsies look like Iberians mixed with Veddoid. You can see the Veddoid influence in skin tone and slightly in some facial features. Maybe they also inherited some Near Eastern features through Dravidian/Neolithic Iranian Caucasoids.

that would mean that gypsies were fully weddoid when they left india which is unlikely. most populations in india are not fully weddoid but mixed to various degrees. you count the original gypsies as fully weddoid, which is certainly wrong, coon classified the original gypsy type as meditteranoid. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europide#Roma

[Bobby Martnen]

Indian national soccer team (i know not all indians look like that) but to me those dudes dont look indian, especially guy on right doesnt look indian at all, guy on left looks northafrican, guy in middle looks maybe the closest to a punjabi but only to a punjabi


I see Gypsies and Ashkenazi Jews as similar - both are a mix of a non-European population and a European population, and neither looks like the original non-European population. Jews look more European, but a significant number of Gypsies can also pass in Europe.

[Kouros]

coon classified the original gypsy type as meditteranoid. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europide#Roma

he what

[Tauromachos]

that would mean that gypsies were fully weddoid when they left india which is unlikely. most populations in india are not fully weddoid but mixed to various degrees. you count the original gypsies as fully weddoid, which is certainly wrong, coon classified the original gypsy type as meditteranoid. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europide#Roma

Yes but significantly darker than European Med types.

Its true that some Indians in Rajastan Nomads for example have Med like features but their tan is darker by far.

[Mortimer]

Yes but significantly darker than European Med types.

Its true that same Indians in Rajastan for example have Med like features but their tan is darker by far.

meditteranoid is not the same as meditteranid. he didnt said they are like euros, but he classified also arabs and northafricans as meditteranid etc. and some indians. Within the greater confines of the Mediterranean race must be placed one people of non-European origin, the Gypsies. The Romanies, the Tziganes, the children of Little Egypt, are believed, on authoritative grounds, to be the descendants of one or more pariah tribes of northwestern India who for some unknown reason began to wander westward before or about the turn of the present millennium, at about the same time that Lief Erikson was discovering America. https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XI18.htm

[Tauromachos]

meditteranoid is not the same as meditteranid. he didnt said they are like euros, but he classified also arabs and northafricans as meditteranid etc. and some indians. Within the greater confines of the Mediterranean race must be placed one people of non-European origin, the Gypsies. The Romanies, the Tziganes, the children of Little Egypt, are believed, on authoritative grounds, to be the descendants of one or more pariah tribes of northwestern India who for some unknown reason began to wander westward before or about the turn of the present millennium, at about the same time that Lief Erikson was discovering America. https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XI18.htm


I don't disagree i just pointed out what makes them distinct in their look.

It is that Gypsies often have the affinity for dark tan also darker than that of most West Asians.

When you say Gypsy"not in a negative sense as alot of people here do" about a persons look you mean that he has exotic dark tan.

As for real Romanies of course there also alot that are not as dark as the stereotypical image suggests.

[Joso]

These woman in the left in the last photo looks to be mixed with australoid

[Scar]

that would mean that gypsies were fully weddoid when they left india which is unlikely. most populations in india are not fully weddoid but mixed to various degrees. you count the original gypsies as fully weddoid, which is certainly wrong, coon classified the original gypsy type as meditteranoid. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europide#Roma

No. I stated they were probably a Veddoid - Dravidian mix. Original Dravidians were neolithic Caucasoids and by the time Gypsies left India they were already a predominantly Dravidian population (probably around 60%) mixed with Veddoid with perhaps a very minor Aryan input. They definitely speak an Indo-Aryan language but they are not and never were Aryan-like.

By Aryans I mean Caucasoids from North India who were pure descendants of the original Aryan invaders. Contrary to what most people think, Aryans in India weren't Steppe-like since they mixed with the neolithic BMAC culture on their way to India and Iran. They were probably Tajik-like or Pamiri-like, maybe even less Steppe shifted, somewhat like modern Dardics or Pashtuns.

[Mortimer]

These woman in the left in the last photo looks to be mixed with australoid

If that is the case only very slightly. Gypsies are mostly westeuroasian but have some southasian(australoid). She doesnt look to be australoid to me, but if you see it it must be very minor.

Some might look as if they have slight weddoid but most dont.

Here is banel nicolita with his family (banel nicolita is always posted to show that gypsies are australoid but he is very atypical)
https://s18.postimg.org/jmeseb3t5/banelnicolita2.jpg
https://s18.postimg.org/fda2c6ik9/banelnicolita.jpg

[Mortimer]

No. I stated they were probably a Veddoid - Dravidian mix. Original Dravidians were neolithic Caucasoids and by the time Gypsies left India they were already a predominantly Dravidian population (probably around 60%) mixed with Veddoid with perhaps a very minor Aryan input. They definitely speak an Indo-Aryan language but they are not and never were Aryan-like.

By Aryans I mean Caucasoids from North India who were pure descendants of the original Aryan invaders. Contrary to what most people think, Aryans in India weren't Steppe-like since they mixed with the neolithic BMAC culture on their way to India and Iran. They were probably Tajik-like or Pamiri-like, maybe even less Steppe shifted, somewhat like modern Dardics or Pashtuns.

They certainly had some "aryan" too, because all indian populations do except adaman islanders. they were meghwal or kashmiri pandit like or punjabi like. Meghwal were taken to reconstruct proto-romani population. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0075397#pone.0075397-Klari1 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982212012602 https://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12863-017-0547-x

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghwal

[Tauromachos]

I think they were partialy Indo Aryan as Mortimer says

[Cristiano viejo]

They do since they look what they are: Indians living in Europe.

[Joso]

If that is the case only very slightly. Gypsies are mostly westeuroasian but have some southasian(australoid). She doesnt look to be australoid to me, but if you see it it must be very minor.

Some might look as if they have slight weddoid but most dont.

Here is banel nicolita with his family (banel nicolita is always posted to show that gypsies are australoid but he is very atypical)
https://s18.postimg.org/jmeseb3t5/banelnicolita2.jpg
https://s18.postimg.org/fda2c6ik9/banelnicolita.jpg

Interesting, wich are the average genetics of the gypsies?

[Mortimer]

I don't disagree i just pointed out what makes them distinct in their look.

It is that Gypsies often have the affinity for dark tan also darker than that of most West Asians.

When you say Gypsy"not in a negative sense as alot of people here do" about a persons look you mean that he has exotic dark tan.

As for real Romanies of course there also alot that are not as dark as the stereotypical image suggests.

Even dark gypsies (my family is dark gypsies) are not really that dark only for europe they are really dark in northafrica and southwestasia some are dark like them. really dark is this
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2015/08/25/18/pg-21-tamil-tigers-3-getty.jpg

gypsies
https://s18.postimg.org/681phz7c9/romaband.jpg

[Scar]

They certainly had some "aryan" too, because all indian populations do except adaman islanders. they were meghwal or kashmiri pandit like or punjabi like. Meghwal were taken to reconstruct proto-romani population. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0075397#pone.0075397-Klari1 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982212012602 https://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12863-017-0547-x

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghwal

Punjabi isn't an ethnicity so they couldn't be Punjabi-like. Brahmins, Jatts and Dalits from Punjab have totally different genetic compositions, for example. Gypsies were hardly Kashmiri Pandit-like because modern Kashmiris are much more Aryan shifted than original Gypsies could be. I mean, we can find even Iberian Gypsies with less Steppe DNA than Kashmiris.

Gyspies were probably like a modern low caste South Asian population, what they were. That's the only explanation that makes sense. How would they be like Brahmins genetically if they were lo castes? Doesn't make sense at all.

Modern upper castes from India are somewhat what Aryans looked like genetically when they invaded India, only with a small Veddoid admixture they acquired after thousands of years in India. Mid castes are basically Gedrosia/Dravidian Caucasoids + a significant Veddoid. Low castes are basically a balanced mixed population Caucasoid/Veddoid.

[Mortimer]

Interesting, wich are the average genetics of the gypsies?

they are 80% westeuroasian and 20% southindian(southasian)

[Mortimer]

Punjabi isn't an ethnicity so they couldn't be Punjabi-like. Brahmins, Jatts and Dalits from Punjab have totally different genetic compositions, for example. Gypsies were hardly Kashmiri Pandit-like because modern Kashmiris are much more Aryan shifted than original Gypsies could be. I mean, we can find even Iberian Gypsies with less Steppe DNA than Kashmiris.

Gyspies were probably like a modern low caste South Asian population, what they were. That's the only explanation that makes sense. How would they be like Brahmins genetically if they were lo castes? Doesn't make sense at all.

Modern upper castes from India are somewhat what Aryans looked like genetically when they invaded India, only with a small Veddoid admixture they acquired after thousands of years in India. Mid castes are basically Gedrosia/Dravidian Caucasoids + a significant Veddoid. Low castes are basically a balanced mixed population Caucasoid/Veddoid.

kashmiri pandits are only 65% westeuroasian gypsies are 80% well the genetic studies i posted claimed that. and some brahmins are only 55% westeuroasian. https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/the-big-story/story/20170807-vedic-aryan-race-genetics-dna-europe-indians-europe-caspian-1026540-2017-07-28 the genetic studies i posted claimed it, and they said autosomally their southasian was northwest indian like kashmiri pandit meghwal and punjabi. thats what the genetic study says.

[Joso]

they are 80% westeuroasian and 20% southindian(southasian)

Thanks for the answer

[Tauromachos]

Even dark gypsies (my family is dark gypsies) are not really that dark only for europe they are really dark in northafrica and southwestasia some are dark like them. really dark is this
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2015/08/25/18/pg-21-tamil-tigers-3-getty.jpg

gypsies
https://s18.postimg.org/681phz7c9/romaband.jpg

They are darker than Anatolians,Levantines and the light type North Indians but lighter than the realy dark type Indians.

[Scar]

kashmiri pandits are only 65% westeuroasian gypsies are 80% well the genetic studies i posted claimed that. and some brahmins are only 55% westeuroasian. https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/the-big-story/story/20170807-vedic-aryan-race-genetics-dna-europe-indians-europe-caspian-1026540-2017-07-28 the genetic studies i posted claimed it, and they said autosomally their southasian was northwest indian like kashmiri pandit meghwal and punjabi. thats what the genetic study says.

The genetic studies you posted aren't really good. I've seen GEDmatch results of Kashmiris and they are almost like other Dardics. They are 85% Caucasoid, 10% Australoid and 5% East Asian on average. Punjabi Brahmins are generally similar to Kashmiris. Other Dardic groups like Kalash are more than 95% Caucasoid.

There's no ''Northwest Indian-like'' because the region itself is diverse. Gypsies could be similar to low castes from Rajasthan and Punjab, but not to Brahmins, that's impossible.
You need to understand better the genetic studies before arguing.

[Mortimer]

They are darker than Anatolians,Levantines and the light type North Indians but lighter than the realy dark type Indians.

many gypsies are much lighter then all of them, you count for the gypsies only the darkest but for the rest the lightest, thats not a fair comparison and the darkest gypsies are probably darker then anatolians and levantines but not darker then northindians, and not darker then some northafricans southwestasians or palestinians, i saw really dark palestinians

[Zroota]

The two men (besides the middle one) in the first pic look Levantine.

[Mortimer]

The genetic studies you posted aren't really good. I've seen GEDmatch results of Kashmiris and they are almost like other Dardics. They are 85% Caucasoid, 10% Australoid and 5% East Asian on average. Punjabi Brahmins are generally similar to Kashmiris. Other Dardic groups like Kalash are more than 95% Caucasoid.

There's no ''Northwest Indian-like'' because the region itself is diverse. Gypsies could be similar to low castes from Rajasthan and Punjab, but not to Brahmins, that's impossible.
You need to understand better the genetic studies before arguing.

genetic studies by scientists are certainly better then gedmatch. and its impossible that punjabi brahmins are 95% caucasoid. even europeans are 98% caucasoid do you say brahmins are as much caucasoid as europeans?

[Scar]

genetic studies by scientists are certainly better then gedmatch. and its impossible that punjabi brahmins are 95% caucasoid. even europeans are 98% caucasoid do you say brahmins are as much caucasoid as europeans?

I said Kalash are around 90-95% Caucasoid. Punjabi Brahmins are around 80-85%.

Anyway, just being ''Caucasoid'' doesn't matter. Calabrians are 100% Caucasoid and Finns are 90% Caucasoid but Finns are much lighter than Calabrians. The different components one might have matter much more than just being ''Caucasoid'', which is an outdated term anyway.

[Cristiano viejo]

Gypsy Antonio Carmona. Very Indian looking
https://album.mediaset.es/eimg/2017/10/05/Rvj1fhXPWer2yXSrdBWcn6.jpg?w=1024

https://ep01.epimg.net/elpais/imagenes/2018/01/24/gente/1516786992_958284_1516788998_noticia_normal.jpg

https://www.ecestaticos.com/imagestatic/clipping/4ac/560/4ac5605b44daccf3322c6c273015adad/antonio-carmona-recupera-la-consciencia.jpg?mtime=1507567513

[Mortimer]

I said Kalash are around 90-95% Caucasoid. Punjabi Brahmins are around 80-85%.

Anyway, just being ''Caucasoid'' doesn't matter. Calabrians are 100% Caucasoid and Finns are 90% Caucasoid but Finns are much lighter than Calabrians. The different components one might have matter much more than just being ''Caucasoid'', which is an outdated term anyway.

i dont believe that. post the gedmatch results of kalash and punjabi brahmins. And gedmatch is not as good as scientific studies. gedmatch is only hobby calculator. and you said they are over 95% caucasoid not 90-95% caucasoid you slightly changed your story now.

[Mortimer]

Gypsy Antonio Carmona. Very Indian looking
https://album.mediaset.es/eimg/2017/10/05/Rvj1fhXPWer2yXSrdBWcn6.jpg?w=1024

https://ep01.epimg.net/elpais/imagenes/2018/01/24/gente/1516786992_958284_1516788998_noticia_normal.jpg

https://www.ecestaticos.com/imagestatic/clipping/4ac/560/4ac5605b44daccf3322c6c273015adad/antonio-carmona-recupera-la-consciencia.jpg?mtime=1507567513

he doesnt look indian at all. more armenoid with some indian admix

[Tauromachos]

many gypsies are much lighter then all of them, you count for the gypsies only the darkest but for the rest the lightest, thats not a fair comparison and the darkest gypsies are probably darker then anatolians and levantines but not darker then northindians, and not darker then some northafricans southwestasians or palestinians, i saw really dark palestinians


No i explained it already in a previous post

As for real Romanies of course there also alot that are not as dark as the stereotypical image suggests.