VERY INTERESTING: MDLP K23b results of a Roman-era Gladiator in York

[Hudayar]

Kit number: T897383

Oracle 1:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.67
2 Near_East 26.93
3 North_African 13.91
4 European_Early_Farmers 12.87
5 South_Central_Asian 4.56
6 East_African 4.35
7 Khoisan 0.97
8 Ancestral_Altaic 0.73

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Palestinian ( ) 7.71
2 BedouinA ( ) 11.14
3 Jordanian ( ) 11.82
4 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh ( ) 11.83
5 Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) 12.05
6 Egyptian_Mansoura ( ) 12.48
7 Samaritian ( ) 12.53
8 Tunisian_Jew ( ) 12.59
9 Egyptian_Tanta ( ) 12.87
10 Lebanese ( ) 12.91
11 Syrian ( ) 13.22
12 Egyptian_Cairo ( ) 13.71
13 Libyan_Jew ( ) 14.13
14 Egyptian_Kairo ( ) 14.33
15 Syrian_Jew ( ) 14.66
16 Moroccan_Jew ( ) 15.19
17 Lebanese_Muslim ( ) 15.34
18 Turk_Jew ( ) 15.39
19 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 16.22
20 Italian_Jew ( ) 16.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.6% Tunisian_Jew ( ) + 41.4% Yemenite_Jew ( ) @ 2.91
2 55.6% Libyan_Jew ( ) + 44.4% Yemenite_Jew ( ) @ 3.12
3 53.8% Moroccan_Jew ( ) + 46.2% Yemenite_Jew ( ) @ 3.27
4 50.7% Samaritian ( ) + 49.3% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) @ 3.93
5 62.9% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) + 37.1% Lebanese_Christian ( ) @ 4.09
6 64% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) + 36% Cypriot ( ) @ 4.45
7 64.3% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) + 35.7% Lebanese_Druze ( ) @ 4.57
8 66.8% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) + 33.2% Christian_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 4.59
9 54% Yemenite_Jew ( ) + 46% Maltese ( ) @ 4.69
10 53.6% BedouinA ( ) + 46.4% Tunisian_Jew ( ) @ 4.71
11 52.2% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 47.8% Yemenite_Jew ( ) @ 4.76
12 53.6% Turk_Jew ( ) + 46.4% Yemenite_Jew ( ) @ 4.9
13 52.4% Yemenite_Jew ( ) + 47.6% French_Jew ( ) @ 5.03
14 51.1% Italian_Jew ( ) + 48.9% Yemenite_Jew ( ) @ 5.1
15 51.7% Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh ( ) + 48.3% Samaritian ( ) @ 5.12
16 55.1% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) + 44.9% Lebanese_Muslim ( ) @ 5.16
17 69.6% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) + 30.4% Druze ( ) @ 5.16
18 62.7% Egyptian_Cairo ( ) + 37.3% Cypriot ( ) @ 5.22
19 54.2% Yemenite_Jew ( ) + 45.8% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) @ 5.23
20 65.8% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) + 34.2% Iraqi_Jew ( ) @ 5.26



Oracle 4:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.67
2 Near_East 26.93
3 North_African 13.91
4 European_Early_Farmers 12.87
5 South_Central_Asian 4.56
6 East_African 4.35


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Palestinian_ @ 7.515337
2 BedouinA_ @ 9.215343
3 Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 9.635629
4 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ @ 10.163060
5 Egyptian_Mansoura_ @ 10.490939
6 Samaritian_ @ 10.499283
7 Egyptian_Kairo_ @ 11.134890
8 Egyptian_Cairo_ @ 11.138151
9 Jordanian_ @ 11.393662
10 Lebanese_ @ 12.040655
11 Muslim_Arabs_Israel_ @ 12.397901
12 Syrian_ @ 13.144797
13 Tunisian_Jew_ @ 13.334247
14 Lebanese_Muslim_ @ 13.645726
15 Egyptian_Kuwait_ @ 13.668638
16 Libyan_Jew_ @ 14.691501
17 Lebanese_Christian_ @ 14.793778
18 Syrian_Jew_ @ 14.951907
19 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ @ 16.326641
20 Moroccan_Jew_ @ 16.351761

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptian_Tanta_ +50% Samaritian_ @ 3.801101


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Libyan_Jew_ +25% Palestinian_ +25% Yemenite_Jew_ @ 3.613413


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
1 Egyptian_Tanta_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Samaritian_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 2.546810
2 BedouinA_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 2.668114
3 Egyptian_Tanta_ + Samaritian_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 2.753572
4 Egyptian_Tanta_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 2.798828
5 Egyptian_Tanta_ + Moroccan_Jew_ + Samaritian_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 2.835626
6 BedouinA_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 2.888854
7 Egyptian_Tanta_ + Lebanese_Christian_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 2.898228
8 Egyptian_Tanta_ + Lebanese_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 2.924634
9 Egyptian_Tanta_ + Lebanese_Muslim_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 2.938083
10 Egyptian_Tanta_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 2.975298
11 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Saudi_ + Tunisian_Jew_ @ 3.024470
12 Egyptian_Tanta_ + Lebanese_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 3.029739
13 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Saudi_ @ 3.047698
14 Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Samaritian_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 3.073199
15 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 3.074083
16 Egyptian_Tanta_ + Lebanese_Muslim_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 3.087296
17 Egyptian_Cairo_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 3.088447
18 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 3.091120
19 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 3.094736
20 Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Syrian_Jew_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 3.095215

Done.

Elapsed time 28.3178 seconds.

[Dick]

He was a Levantine slave. This has been posted before.

[Hudayar]

He was a Levantine slave. This has been posted before.

Really? I found it on Anthrogenica. Was surprised actually because other 4 were identical to Brits.

[Dick]

Really? I found it on Anthrogenica. Was surprised actually because other 4 were identical to Brits.

Yes, his ydna is also the same as some Albanian here. Dema I think. Gladiators were either slaves or condemned prisoners. It definitely wasn't glamorous to be one.

[Sikeliot]

According to nMonte simulations, up to 26% of Calabrese DNA and 22% of Sicilian (both east AND west) can be modeled with this person's DNA.

[Hudayar]

Yes, his ydna is also the same as some Albanian here. Dema I think. Gladiators were either slaves or condemned prisoners. It definitely wasn't glamorous to be one.

no one said it was glamorous tho. it's very interesting to see a gladiator very far from his ancestral homeland. maybe he was a jew?

[Kelmendasi]

no one said it was glamorous tho. it's very interesting to see a gladiator very far from his ancestral homeland. maybe he was a jew?
He's closest to Jews afaik although some suggest that he came from the southern Levant around the Sinai peninsula so there is a possibility that he was an Arab like a Nabatean

[Freeroostah]

He was probably a Hebrew rebel that got enslaved.

[Kriptc06]

Yes, his ydna is also the same as some Albanian here. Dema I think. Gladiators were either slaves or condemned prisoners. It definitely wasn't glamorous to be one.

Yes they were war prisoners, they fought until death for entertainment.

[Bosniensis]

Romans loved Jewish and Arab slaves.

Roman citizen could not be a Gladiator except through punishment.

[Petalpusher]

Multi isotopes analysis revealed he had spent his childhood in a region with a hot and dry climate, most likely around the Nile valley, which is consistent with his genetic results. His top match in IBS is present day Saudis.

[Leto]

He definitely was Levantine. Insterestingly, he's part SSA. Usually we tend to think "it was the Arabs who brought Negroes to the ME".

Ancient Eurasia K6 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 52.69
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 22.05
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 15.91
4 Sub_Saharan 5.93
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese 2.5
2 Syrian 3.7
3 Jordanian 3.71
4 Palestinian 3.96
5 Druze 5.36
6 BedouinA 6.79
7 Cypriot 7.43
8 Saudi 7.48
9 Jew_Tunisian 7.57
10 Jew_Yemenite 8.51
11 Jew_Libyan 8.86
12 Jew_Moroccan 8.92
13 Jew_iraqi 10.17
14 Jew_Iranian 10.3
15 Assyrian 10.57
16 Armenia_ChL 10.6
17 Turkish 11.09
18 Levant_BA 12.28
19 Georgian 12.67
20 Egyptian 12.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.5% Saudi + 11.5% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 1.06
2 87.2% Jew_Yemenite + 12.8% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 1.49
3 74.3% Palestinian + 25.7% Armenia_ChL @ 1.61
4 98.4% Lebanese + 1.6% WHG @ 1.89
5 98.4% Lebanese + 1.6% Hungarian_KO1 @ 1.89
6 98.2% Lebanese + 1.8% Motala12 @ 1.89
7 98.2% Lebanese + 1.8% SHG @ 1.89
8 96.6% Lebanese + 3.4% GoyetQ116 @ 1.92
9 85.3% Saudi + 14.7% Steppe_EMBA @ 1.93
10 95% Lebanese + 5% Spanish @ 1.95
11 95.8% Lebanese + 4.2% Scottish @ 1.95
12 95.4% Lebanese + 4.6% French @ 1.95
13 95.9% Lebanese + 4.1% Basque @ 1.96
14 84.9% Druze + 15.1% Moroccan @ 1.96
15 96.1% Lebanese + 3.9% Europe_LNBA @ 1.96
16 94.9% Lebanese + 5.1% Croatian @ 1.96
17 95.7% Lebanese + 4.3% English @ 1.96
18 96.1% Lebanese + 3.9% Icelandic @ 1.97
19 95.9% Lebanese + 4.1% Norwegian @ 1.98
20 95.4% Lebanese + 4.6% Hungarian @ 1.98

[Hudayar]

He definitely was Levantine. Insterestingly, he's part SSA. Usually we tend to think "it was the Arabs who brought Negroes to the ME".

Ancient Eurasia K6 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 52.69
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 22.05
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 15.91
4 Sub_Saharan 5.93
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese 2.5
2 Syrian 3.7
3 Jordanian 3.71
4 Palestinian 3.96
5 Druze 5.36
6 BedouinA 6.79
7 Cypriot 7.43
8 Saudi 7.48
9 Jew_Tunisian 7.57
10 Jew_Yemenite 8.51
11 Jew_Libyan 8.86
12 Jew_Moroccan 8.92
13 Jew_iraqi 10.17
14 Jew_Iranian 10.3
15 Assyrian 10.57
16 Armenia_ChL 10.6
17 Turkish 11.09
18 Levant_BA 12.28
19 Georgian 12.67
20 Egyptian 12.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.5% Saudi + 11.5% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 1.06
2 87.2% Jew_Yemenite + 12.8% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 1.49
3 74.3% Palestinian + 25.7% Armenia_ChL @ 1.61
4 98.4% Lebanese + 1.6% WHG @ 1.89
5 98.4% Lebanese + 1.6% Hungarian_KO1 @ 1.89
6 98.2% Lebanese + 1.8% Motala12 @ 1.89
7 98.2% Lebanese + 1.8% SHG @ 1.89
8 96.6% Lebanese + 3.4% GoyetQ116 @ 1.92
9 85.3% Saudi + 14.7% Steppe_EMBA @ 1.93
10 95% Lebanese + 5% Spanish @ 1.95
11 95.8% Lebanese + 4.2% Scottish @ 1.95
12 95.4% Lebanese + 4.6% French @ 1.95
13 95.9% Lebanese + 4.1% Basque @ 1.96
14 84.9% Druze + 15.1% Moroccan @ 1.96
15 96.1% Lebanese + 3.9% Europe_LNBA @ 1.96
16 94.9% Lebanese + 5.1% Croatian @ 1.96
17 95.7% Lebanese + 4.3% English @ 1.96
18 96.1% Lebanese + 3.9% Icelandic @ 1.97
19 95.9% Lebanese + 4.1% Norwegian @ 1.98
20 95.4% Lebanese + 4.6% Hungarian @ 1.98

he has some steppe euro heritage.

[flowingriver]

He probably came from Egypt. The 4.35 percent East African is probably similar to the amount of nigger ancestry Egyptians had before the domestication of the camel and the Arab slave trade increased their nigger blood. (Although TBH 4.35% nigger blood is bad enough.) There is pretty much no evidence that Levantanians had a single drop of nigger blood before the coming of Islam.

Jews (who never mixed with slaves) rarely score SSA on their DNA tests, and even when they do it's only 0.1 or 0.2%. And Jews come from the country directly above Apefreaka, and thus logically should have been the most nigger admixed people in the ancient Levant.

[flowingriver]

Multi isotopes analysis revealed he had spent his childhood in a region with a hot and dry climate, most likely around the Nile valley, which is consistent with his genetic results. His top match in IBS is present day Saudis.

I agree. I don't think it's very plausible for an ancient Levantanian to have had over 4% nigger ancestry. He might have come from the Arabian Peninsula, although IDK if Rome had any slaves from there. I assume he was an Egyptian sllave.

[Leto]

There is pretty much no evidence that Levantanians had a single drop of nigger blood before the coming of Islam.
I think even Christians in Syria and Lebanon as well the Oriental Jews have some SSA, usually below 5% and of mainly East African origin. Not a big deal to me. But obviosuly Palestinians like this are part nig-nog
http://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/media/thumbs/3/38e5c159910ecd06b5e997550187c037v1_max_635x357_b35 35db83dc50e27c1bb1392364c95a2.jpg?key=b75919
http://media0.faz.net/ppmedia/3408730950/1.4368838/article_multimedia_overview/sawsan-chebli-ist.jpg

[flowingriver]

I think even Christians in Syria and Lebanon as well the Oriental Jews have some SSA, usually below 5% and of mainly East African origin. Not a big deal to me. But obviosuly Palestinians like this are part nig-nog
http://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/media/thumbs/3/38e5c159910ecd06b5e997550187c037v1_max_635x357_b35 35db83dc50e27c1bb1392364c95a2.jpg?key=b75919
http://media0.faz.net/ppmedia/3408730950/1.4368838/article_multimedia_overview/sawsan-chebli-ist.jpg



The trade (not just slave trade) across the Sahara greatly increased with the coming of the Arabs. Even MENA Christians could have become more nig nog admixed because of this. Also some of the Levant Christians might have Muslim ancestors.
I know the Copts have a decent amount of nig nog genes although I thought the Levant Christians usually don't have any.

Sephardi Jews are from the most fuxated MENA areas (North Africa, Yemen) and thus might have some nig nog genes. Ashkenazi have basically zero black ancestry whatsoever though as this article discusses. http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/aj-ss-african-admixture.html Although Alan Dersochwitz and a handful of other Ashkenazi get less than 1% nig nog.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me why Israel would have had less nig nog genes than the rest of the ancient Levant given that Israel is the country bordering on Apefreaka. If anything Israel would have had the most SSA in the ancient Middle East, and would have been the last country where some people might have had 0.x% nigger blood. (Hence the miniscule East African in Dershowitz and some other Ashkenazi.)

[flowingriver]

Double post. Ignore

[Leto]

Multi isotopes analysis revealed he had spent his childhood in a region with a hot and dry climate, most likely around the Nile valley, which is consistent with his genetic results. His top match in IBS is present day Saudis.
On Dodecad K12b he is very similar to a modern-day Copt:

The Copt:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 36.19
2 Southwest_Asian 31.55
3 Northwest_African 11.44
4 East_African 9.84
5 Atlantic_Med 9.8
6 Gedrosia 1.01
7 East_Asian 0.17

1 70.1% Egyptans (Behar) + 29.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.35
2 56.7% Egyptans (Behar) + 43.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 6.64


The gladiator:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.53
2 Southwest_Asian 31.09
3 Atlantic_Med 13.08
4 Northwest_African 9.76
5 East_African 4.97
6 Gedrosia 2.32
7 Southeast_Asian 0.25

1 52.6% Samaritians (Behar) + 47.4% Egyptans (Behar) @ 4.96

The only thing that is significantly different is the percentage of East African - the Copt is twice as EA as the gladiator. But both are 0% Sub-Saharan.

[Petalpusher]

On Dodecad K12b he is very similar to a modern-day Copt:

The Copt:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 36.19
2 Southwest_Asian 31.55
3 Northwest_African 11.44
4 East_African 9.84
5 Atlantic_Med 9.8
6 Gedrosia 1.01
7 East_Asian 0.17

1 70.1% Egyptans (Behar) + 29.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 5.35
2 56.7% Egyptans (Behar) + 43.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 6.64


The gladiator:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.53
2 Southwest_Asian 31.09
3 Atlantic_Med 13.08
4 Northwest_African 9.76
5 East_African 4.97
6 Gedrosia 2.32
7 Southeast_Asian 0.25

1 52.6% Samaritians (Behar) + 47.4% Egyptans (Behar) @ 4.96

The only thing that is significantly different is the percentage of East African - the Copt is twice as EA as the gladiator. But both are 0% Sub-Saharan.

Yea very similar but if you run them in low K you ll find the SSA, about half of the East African and 1/5 of the NW African is. So somewhere in a 5% range, which the fits hint at as well with a half Egyptian modeling.

[Leto]

Del

[Leto]

Yea very similar but if you run them in low K you ll find the SSA, about half of the East African and 1/5 of the NW African is. So somewhere in a 5% range, which the fits hint at as well with a half Egyptian modeling.
This is him on MDLP World:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Middle_East 46.93
2 South_and_West_European 24.38
3 Caucaus_Parsia 23.36
4 Sub_Saharian 4.63
5 Melanesian 0.61
6 North_Asian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Palestinian 3.67
2 Samaritian 7.17
3 Jordanian 8.31
4 Syrian 11.68
5 Druze 12.25
6 Lebanese 12.44
7 Jew_Libya 13.54
8 Jew_Syria 14.26
9 Jew_Tunisia 15.09
10 Egyptian 15.87

1 56.9% Cypriot + 43.1% Bedouin @ 2.1
3 63.6% Jew_Syria + 36.4% Bedouin @ 2.37


And here's the Copt

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Middle_East 49.1
2 South_and_West_European 23.63
3 Caucaus_Parsia 17.15
4 Sub_Saharian 8.39
5 Paleo_African 1.28
6 East_Asian 0.37
7 Melanesian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Palestinian 7.86
2 Egyptian 9.95
3 Jordanian 10.18
4 Samaritian 11.99
5 Jew_Libya 14.94

69.8% Samaritian + 30.2% Moroccan @ 1.78
2 67.3% Samaritian + 32.7% Mozabite @ 2.33
3 51.2% Jew_Algeria + 48.8% Bedouin @ 3.06
4 57.8% Jew_Libya + 42.2% Bedouin @ 3.09
5 53.9% Jew_Tunisia + 46.1% Bedouin @ 3.1

You were pretty much correct. The gladiator is around 5% Negro, while the Copt is close to 10%. But that's not because of the Muslim slave trade. That must be more ancient and primarily East African.