The significance of my probable Y-DNA :

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Using my raw data from AncestryDNA I used promethease and Wegenes to figure out my probable Y-DNA.

Promethease says it is R1b1a1a2a1a2c

Wegenes agrees but goes deeper on the subclade :

R1b1a1a2a1a2c1f3a1 : R1b1a1a2a1a2c1 A228, BY247, L192.1, S471/Z252


I was reading that A228, my Y-DNA type, is pretty much a Welsh specific. What is interesting is my last name Burke is a Gaelicized version of an aristocratic Cambro-Norman name DeBurgh/DeBurca. Cambro-Norman means Normans that came from Wales. Also, my second most likely Y-DNA, according to promethease is R1b1a2a1a which is found in Normandy and Milan (probably from the Norman ruling class there). So , my Y-DNA is from aristocratic British invaders it seems.

Also, my autosomal DNA , according to AncestryDNA is 52% 'Irish' (their celtic category), 37% British and 6% Scandinavian etc... but according to AncestryDNA there is a Welsh guy named Dan that scores 50% 'Irish' the average British score for the Welsh 36.15%. I am not sure how much viking/scandinavian blood is in Wales, though. The typical Irish native scores 95% 'Irish'.

https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2017/01/25/ancestrydna-the-irish-connection/

Anyway, it seems even though I have an 'irish name' I could be a British invader or significantly related to them.

Also, I don't even look Irish I could pass for French, Welsh or Spanish. Ilma says I pass as French in between Britanny and Normandy France !

The aristocratic house of Burke/DeBurgh/DeBurca has spoken peasants ! LULZ :

http://www.theirishrose.com/product_images/crests_large/Burke-coat-of-arms-large.JPG

https://www.tradebit.com/usr/heraldics/pub/9002/deburgh-coat-of-arms.jpg

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Bow down Anglo-Saxon, slavic and Gaelic peasants !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPQ8pYxNBY0

https://metalshockfinland.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/cnk_band2.jpg?w=627

http://www.thenecpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/FFL-.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/21289e302cb631ace71a5325bd2bb85cea1805fb.png

http://www.1066online.co.uk/hastings-history/battle-of-hastings/header-wide.jpg

https://www.britroyals.com/images/normans.jpg

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From an English online periodical :

"So much for social mobility… 1,000 years after William the Conquerer invaded, you still need a Norman name like Darcy or Percy to get ahead

Prestige of Norman surnames has been unbroken for 27 generations
Poorer names like Defoe, Ledwell and Rowthorne remained less fortunate
Findings were revealed by researchers at London School of Economics

By Steve Doughty, Social Affairs Correspondent

Published: 19:49 EDT, 29 October 2013 | Updated: 05:07 EDT, 30 October 2013


Only the brightest study at our elite universities… but if your name is Darcy or Percy, you have a natural advantage.

A study showed yesterday that despite the dramatic changes in our lifestyles during the past 800 years, the same names have dominated the student rolls at Oxford and Cambridge over that time.

Researchers found that there have been Darcys, Mandevilles, Percys and Montgomerys at the two universities for 27 generations, their prestige unbroken by historic upheavals and technological revolutions.

The unchallenged status of great wealth has meant that the same names who were at the top of the social scale in the time of William the Conqueror remain among the elite now, the report said.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/29/article-2479271-0052B84100000258-941_634x420.jpg

Oozing class: It's no coincidence that Pride And Prejudice's Mr Darcy, played by Colin Firth, came from landed gentry. According to researchers from the London School of Economics, Darcy is one of many Norman names that continues to command wealth and power



By contrast there are some family names whose bearers were poor 150 years ago who are still likely to remain outside the ranks of the wealthy.

Among the poorer surnames - selected by researchers because they are relatively rare and the family line can more easily be traced - are Boorman, Cholmondley, Defoe, Goodhill, Ledwell, Rowthorn, Sidwells and Tonbridge.

The researchers from the London School of Economics, Dr Neil Cummins and Professor Gregory Clark, said the name checks showed that social mobility in England is hardly greater than in medieval times, and that people inherited their social status even more than they inherit their height.
The researchers from the London School of Economics used 800 years of history to compile their top and bottom 10, above

The researchers from the London School of Economics used 800 years of history to compile their top and bottom ten, above

Dr Cummins said: ‘Just take the names of the Normans who conquered England nearly 1,000 years ago. Surnames such as Baskerville, Darcy, Mandeville and Montgomery are still over-represented at Oxbridge and also among elite occupations such as medicine, law and politics.

‘What is surprising is that between 1800 and 2011 there have been substantial institutional changes in England but no gain in rates of social mobility for society as a whole.’

The study comes at a time of widespread concern about social mobility as large-scale research suggests that those born to less well-off families have had less chance of success since the 1970s.

Much of the blame has been pinned on the education system, with left-wingers attacking universities for failing to admit students from poor backgrounds, while right-wingers say the abolition of the grammar schools cut off the way up for working class children.

The LSE research said that the spread of mass education over the past 150 years has done nothing to break the grip of the longstanding elite on positions of power, and that the same families have been on top despite centuries of religious reformation, civil war, industrial revolution, the growth of democracy and education, and the birth of the welfare state.

Conventional estimates say it takes three to five generations for a wealthy family to fall to the middle ground and a poor family to rise to the same level.

The researchers tested the idea by examining student rolls for Oxford and Cambridge universities going back to 1170, four years after the Norman Conquest.

The two institutions were the only universities in England until 1832 and continue to accept only the best-qualified students.

'There has been modest improvement in social mobility rates between the medieval era and the modern world, with that change occurring around 1800,' the researchers said.

But they added: 'The remarkable status persistence found using Oxbridge attendance as the status measure is found just as strongly with a more general and democratic measure of status such as asset ownership.

'Over the generations there were substantial increases in the rate of taxation of wealth and income, especially after 1910. Yet this did nothing to increase rates of wealth mobility.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2479271/1-000-years-invaded-need-Norman-like-Darcy-Percy-ahead.html#ixzz4uDujth8n

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Lady Catherine De Bourgh /DeBurgh/Burke/DeBurca from the English novel and movie Pride and Prejudice :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuwefqqSx_0

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Lady Catherine DeBourgh/Burke/DeBurgh/DeBurca vs Elizabeth Bennet. Catherine DeBurgh is the one with the eye patch :



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYSdnLgl-FQ

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1:30 onwards the slaying of zombie peasants !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSQeVY2fdL8


All peasants must kneel or bowdown or be killed !

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You could have also been a nameless peasant on some Norman lords land and given that surname for that reason. There's no guarantee that you're a direct descendant of a Norman invader.

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Lady Catherine De Bourgh /DeBurgh/Burke/DeBurca from the English novel and movie Pride and Prejudice :

DeBurka? user DeBurgh will committe suicide when he see this...

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DeBurka? user DeBurgh will committe suicide when he see this...

Burke is the Irish line, DeBurgh is the English line, and DeBurca is the Catholic French line. They are all branches of the same Norman aristocratic ruling class family. Of course they may be other Norman families above us in the hiearchy it is still an aristocratic name.

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You could have also been a nameless peasant on some Norman lords land and given that surname for that reason. There's no guarantee that you're a direct descendant of a Norman invader.

Tais toi ! Vous et paysan Je suis noble

Well, let us see. First of all I remember reading an old school anthropologist who said the Norman invasion did not change the makeup of the British isles for various reasons but one of the reasons is because they were Celto-Germanic e.g. some Germanic invaders would intermarry with the Celtic Bretons then invade England ! Fact : according to AncestryDNA I am about half Celtic and about half Germanic. The average Irish person is 95% Gaelic. Let us move on to the second : My most likely Y-DNA A228 is only native to wales not Ireland AFAIK. My second most likely Y-DNA is found in Normandy and Milan. I probably got my Y-DNA through a Cambro-Norman somehow down the line.

The Burke line in Ireland comes from : King Henry II of England appointed William DeBurgh Governor of Limerick and granted him vast estates in Leinster and Munster. De Burgh's castles at Tibberaghny (County Kilkenny), Kilsheelan, Ardpatrick and Kilfeacle were used to protect King John's northern borders of Waterford and Lismore and his castles at Carrigogunnell and Castleconnell were used to protect Limerick. He was Seneschal of Munster (Royal Governor) from 1201 to 1203.

18. Anna Capet, Princess of France was born about 1138 in Paris, Seine, France and died about 1240 in Constantinople, Turkey.

Anna married Aldhelm de Mortaigne , son of William de Mortaigne, Earl Of Cornwall and Isabel Fitz Richard de Clare . Aldhelm was born about 1085 in Cornwall, England.

Children:

+ 25 M i. William de Burgh was born about 1157 in Burgh-Next-Aylash, Norfolk, England and died about 1198 in Norfolk, Norfolkshire, England.

Anna married William III de Ponthieu on 20 Aug 1195 in Castile, Spain. William was born in 1179 in Roches, France and died in 1221 in Roches, France.

Mary Queen of Scots was a Tudor and had some plantagenet tie. Her House of Guise was in Lorraine France. 25% of my Ancestry is from Alsace-Lorraine.

Also, most people here think I don't look Irish at all but French. I pass best between Britanny and Normandy France. The very first time I posted my picture here, many years ago, under a different handle some Swiss girl said I looked French and since then just about everyone here agrees I don't look particularly British or Irish but more French.

That is just like too many coincidences there pal. Mister Saxon peasant !

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My surname is of Norman origin too. It means little one thousand years on. The chance you have a French look from way back then is highly unlikely. Who knows who has married or raped who in that time. :laugh:

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From an English online periodical :


Nobility is not something what you get from wikipedia, neither from surname's etymology.

Firstly, you have to proof, that you are a noble.

Surname from wikipedia is not enaugh, especially, that some ancestor could be a son of
a whore from that family so he has surname. Or other family just have such surname as well.

Btw, your very behaviour shows, that you are not a nobleman, but a serf, who very want to be.