How Caucasoid are Mongolians from Mongolia?

[Hudayar]

Does anyone know?

[Hudayar]

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2myu6u0.jpg

If this pic is reliable, according to my estimates, average Caucasoid dna of all 21 Mongolians in that pic is 8.33% Most caucasoid mongolian is 17% Caucasoid whereas the least caucasoid mongolian guy is 3% caucasoid. I could be proven wrong though.

[Lucas]

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2myu6u0.jpg

If this pic is reliable, according to my estimates, average Caucasoid dna of all 21 Mongolians in that pic is 8.33% Most caucasoid mongolian is 17% Caucasoid whereas the least caucasoid mongolian guy is 3% caucasoid. I could be proven wrong though.

About 10% Mongolians have light eyes also.

[Leto]

I think they are over 80% East Asian/Siberian. Between 80 and 90%.

[Hudayar]

About 10% Mongolians have light eyes also.

I doubt that.

[Septentrion]

Mongolian genome:
Central Asia = 59%
Eastern Asia = 25%
Finland & Northern Siberia = 8%
Asia Minor = 6%
Eastern Europe = 2%
Thus we can estimate Caucasoid genes ( Eastern Europe + Finland & Northern Siberia + Asia Minor) account for approximately 12% of the Mongolian genome.

[paprika]

i remember on 23andme a few years ago back when you could share ancestry results, i added several ethnic mongols to see their results, all of them had at least a few percent (like 4-7%) caucasoid. it would be mixed between european, MENA, and south asian and not just one of those groups. (like for example 2% south asian + 3%european +2% MENA)

[Hudayar]

Mongolian genome:
Central Asia = 59%
Eastern Asia = 25%
Finland & Northern Siberia = 8%
Asia Minor = 6%
Eastern Europe = 2%
Thus we can estimate Caucasoid genes ( Eastern Europe + Finland & Northern Siberia + Asia Minor) account for approximately 12% of the Mongolian genome.

There's no such thing as Central Asian dna

[Leto]

Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6

Buryat:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 81.59
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 8.61
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 5.91
4 Natufian 3.64
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kalmyk 3.64

18.16% Caucasoid

Tuvan:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 81.82
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 7.41
3 Natufian 4.53
4 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 3.31
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 Sub_Saharan 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kalmyk 4.19

15.25% Caucasoid

An East Asian for comparison. I think a Korean

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 98.09
2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Han 0.28

[Hudayar]

Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6

Buryat:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 81.59
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 8.61
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 5.91
4 Natufian 3.64
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kalmyk 3.64

18.16% Caucasoid

Tuvan:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 81.82
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 7.41
3 Natufian 4.53
4 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 3.31
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 Sub_Saharan 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kalmyk 4.19

15.25% Caucasoid

An East Asian for comparison. I think a Korean

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 98.09
2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Han 0.28


Interesting. Would also love to see Momgolian results from Mongolia tho. Also whats with that natufian dna

[Maguzanci]

Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6

Buryat:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 81.59
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 8.61
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 5.91
4 Natufian 3.64
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kalmyk 3.64

18.16% Caucasoid

Tuvan:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 81.82
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 7.41
3 Natufian 4.53
4 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 3.31
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 Sub_Saharan 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kalmyk 4.19

15.25% Caucasoid

An East Asian for comparison. I think a Korean

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 98.09
2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Han 0.28

Very interesting. I heard that ANE/Ancient North Eurasian have some ENA admix tho. So they might be a bit less Caucasoid than that.

Do you mind providing their gedmatch kits if you don't mind?

[Maguzanci]

i remember on 23andme a few years ago back when you could share ancestry results, i added several ethnic mongols to see their results, all of them had at least a few percent (like 4-7%) caucasoid. it would be mixed between european, MENA, and south asian and not just one of those groups. (like for example 2% south asian + 3%european +2% MENA)

Very interesting. Were they from Mongolia and which part if you know?

Also do you mind providing some of their gedmatch kits please?

There use to be Steppe and Turkic tribes in what is now present day Mongolia. They might be responsible for the small amounts of caucasoid admix in the Mongol results.

[Veslan]

Mongolian genome:
Central Asia = 59%
Eastern Asia = 25%
Finland & Northern Siberia = 8%
Asia Minor = 6%
Eastern Europe = 2%
Thus we can estimate Caucasoid genes ( Eastern Europe + Finland & Northern Siberia + Asia Minor) account for approximately 12% of the Mongolian genome.

Finland + Northern Siberia is far from "Caucasoid".

[Leto]

I heard that ANE/Ancient North Eurasian have some ENA admix tho.
I doubt that. People like Kurds or Iranians score up to 30% ANE on this calc. And they are barely mixed with Asians.

Do you mind providing their gedmatch kits if you don't mind?
M540384 Tuvan
M827587 Buryat

[Gangrel]

Interesting. Would also love to see Momgolian results from Mongolia tho. Also whats with that natufian dna

they fucked mena girls

[Gangrel]

Fuck this gay textbox

Their caucasoid is majority MENA tho

[MellowD]

The mongolian girls are gorgeous from what I saw on Tinder... gotta visit this beautiful country one day.

[Gangrel]

The mongolian girls are gorgeous from what I saw on Tinder... gotta visit this beautiful country one day.

where do you live? seeing mongolian girls on tinder lol

[MellowD]

Doesn't matter where you live if you use Tinder Plus... it's pretty useful to see how girls look all over the world.

[Hudayar]

they fucked mena girls

When Baghdad was invaded by Mongolians one of the Caliph's sons were expelled to Mongolia. He started a life there and had a family sons etc. But i don't think they met Mena people. They probably got their mena admixture from either Indo Iranians or Turkics.

[Maguzanci]

Their caucasoid is majority MENA tho

Really? I thought their caucasoid admix is mostly from turkics and steppe scythians.

[ButlerKing]

Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6

Buryat:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 81.59
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 8.61
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 5.91
4 Natufian 3.64
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kalmyk 3.64

18.16% Caucasoid

Tuvan:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 81.82
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 7.41
3 Natufian 4.53
4 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 3.31
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 Sub_Saharan 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kalmyk 4.19

15.25% Caucasoid

An East Asian for comparison. I think a Korean

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 98.09
2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Han 0.28

Why include Ancestral North Eurasian admixture ?


It's basically saying no pure Mongoloid exist and it's highest in the predominant Mongoloid Selkups, Kets who are mixed with Russians to a extend, the funny thing is this component is even higher than some Caucasoid populations of North Africa and Entreans who are the most Caucasoid of East Africans have none.

http://s014.radikal.ru/i329/1512/f3/630c469b270e.png

[ButlerKing]

Mongolian genome:
Central Asia = 59%
Eastern Asia = 25%
Finland & Northern Siberia = 8%
Asia Minor = 6%
Eastern Europe = 2%
Thus we can estimate Caucasoid genes ( Eastern Europe + Finland & Northern Siberia + Asia Minor) account for approximately 12% of the Mongolian genome.

Northern Siberia = AKA " Indigenous small-numbered peoples of the North, Siberia and the Far East "

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/17/article-2145769-13233514000005DC-915_634x428.jpg

All of them which are Mongoloid ethnic group with exception of Finland who are not Mongoloid but have Mongoloid DNA and a few Mongoloid/Caucasoid group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_small-numbered_peoples_of_the_North,_Siberia_and_the_Far _East

Aleuts (алеуты): Kamchatka Krai - 700
Alyutors (алюторцы): Kamchatka Krai
Chelkans (челканцы)
Chukchis (чукчи): Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, Magadan Oblast, Kamchatka Krai - 15,767
Chulyms (чулымцы), Tomsk Oblast, Krasnoyarsk Krai - 656
Chuvans (чуванцы): Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, Magadan Oblast
Dolgans (долганы): Krasnoyarsk Krai, Sakha Republic
Enets (*) (энцы) (Yenets, Russian plural: Entsy, obsolete: Yenisei Samoyeds, Yenisei Ostyak, Kets): Krasnoyarsk Krai
Eskimo (Siberian Yupik, Inuit) (эскимосы): Chukotka Autonomous Okrug
Naukan
Evenks (эвенки)
Evens (эвены)
Itelmens (ительмены): Kamchatka Krai, Magadan Oblast
Kamchadals (камчадалы, a general term for mixed population of Kamchatka Peninsula): Kamchatka Krai
Kereks (кереки): Chukotka Autonomous Okrug
Kets (кеты)
Khanty (ханты): (Old Russian Term: Ostyaks), Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug,
Koryaks (коряки): Kamchatka Krai, Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, Magadan Oblast
Kumandins (кумандинцы)
Mansi (манси), (Old Russian term: Voguls), Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug,
Nanai (нанайцы)
Negidals (негидальцы)
Nenets (*) (Russian plural: Nentsy, old Russian name Samoyeds) (ненцы):Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Khanty–Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Arkhangelsk Oblast, Komi Republic
Nganasans (Tavgi) (нганасаны): Krasnoyarsk Krai
Nivkhs (нивхи)
Oroks (ороки)
Orochs (орочи)
Sami (old Russian name Lopar, i.e., Lapp) (саамы, саами): Murmansk Oblast - 1,991
Selkups (селькупы)
Shors (шорцы)
Soyots (сойоты)
Taz (тазы)
Telengits (теленгиты)
Teleuts (телеуты)
Tofalars or Tofa (тофалары или тофы)
Tubalars (тубалары)
Tozhu (тувинцы-тоджинцы), a subgroup of the Tuvans: Tyva republic
Udege (удэгейцы)
Ulchs (ульчи)
Veps (*) (вепсы): Republic of Karelia, Leningrad Oblast
Yukaghirs (юкагиры): Sakha Republic, Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, Magadan Oblast

[Leto]

Why include Ancestral North Eurasian admixture ?


It's basically saying no pure Mongoloid exist and it's highest in the predominant Mongoloid Selkups, Kets who are mixed with Russians to a extend, the funny thing is this component is even higher than some Caucasoid populations of North Africa and Entreans who are the most Caucasoid of East Africans have none.
Bro, what you post is usually pure horseshit. Sorry.

[ButlerKing]

Bro, what you post is usually pure horseshit. Sorry.


Nowhere close to that

DNA

" A people similar to MA-1 were important genetic contributors to Native Americans, Europeans, Central and South Asians, and minor contribution to East Eurasians. [10] Lazaridis et al. (2016) notes "a cline of ANE ancestry across the east-west extent of Eurasia."[11] According to a 2016 study, it was found that the global maximum of ANE ancestry occurs in modern-day Kets, Mansi, Native Americans, Nganasans and Yukaghirs.[3] "


One of the highest ANE in the world and almost all of them have 100% East Asian DNA with only few with 0.1% and 0.5% European admixture

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2myu6u0.jpg



Another Siberian Mongoloids like Nganasans are the Yukaghirs also showed 100% East Asian admixture

Here is ANE in Mongoloids in East Asia Oroqen have it 9.24% and and Daur 7.07%, they are all 100% East Eurasian genetically.

http://i.imgur.com/cnYjAMY.jpg

Oroqen have one of the highest Siberian component a DNA that reaches 40-60% in Mongolian 30-55% in Koreans. In this study West Mongolians who have different degree of Turkic ancestry shows west Eurasian admixture, it makes sense when they are several Turkic ethnic group residing there.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ppyhbm.jpg

[paprika]

Very interesting. Were they from Mongolia and which part if you know?

Also do you mind providing some of their gedmatch kits please?

There use to be Steppe and Turkic tribes in what is now present day Mongolia. They might be responsible for the small amounts of caucasoid admix in the Mongol results.

i think most of them were from mongolia but i guess some of them might have been immigrants to other countries, but i'm sure they were all ethnic mongols. i never had access to their gedmatch kits, i don't even think 23andme allows you to add contacts to share ancestry data anymore. yeah it is probably from minor admix with iranic or tocharian indo european peoples.

[ButlerKing]

Very interesting. I heard that ANE/Ancient North Eurasian have some ENA admix tho. So they might be a bit less Caucasoid than that.

Do you mind providing their gedmatch kits if you don't mind?

In fact ANE/Ancient North Eurasian even exist in high percentages in Mongoloid populations where Caucasoid admixture reaches 0%.

[Hadouken]

In fact ANE/Ancient North Eurasian even exist in high percentages in Mongoloid populations where Caucasoid admixture reaches 0%.

Leto proved otherwise running them on gedmatch

I will have a look myself

[ButlerKing]

Does anyone know?

Without including this ANE component ( Ancient North Eurasian ) which is proven to exist in very high percentages in pure Mongoloid populations showing 0% Caucasoid admixture. Therefore the real admixture the Caucasoid admixture in these Mongol tribes are generally only small with exception of western part of Mongolia.

Mongolian DNA

Dark yellow: East Asian
Light yellow: Siberian
Dark Purple: East Siberian,
Light purple: Chuckhi, Eskimo

Caucasoid DNA

Blue: Europeans
Green: West Asian
Dark Green: South Asian


Mongoloid DNA in Buryat 88-96%
Caucasoid DNA in Buryat 4-12% (2-8% if you don't want to include South Asian as Caucasoid )
https://i.imgur.com/GBn8xAf.png


Mongoloid DNA in Tuvans 85 - 92.5%
Caucasoid DNA in Tuvans 8.5 -15% (7% - 12% if you don't want to include South Asians )

https://i.imgur.com/xpGiaXV.png


Mongols from Mongolia

East Mongols

Mongoloid DNA in East Mongolian 95-99%
Caucasoid DNA in East Mongolian 1-5%


West Mongols DNA

Mongoloid DNA in West Mongolian 83-86%
Caucasoid DNA in West Mongolian 14-17% ( very negligible South Asians )

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ppyhbm.jpg


We shouldn't be surprised with west Mongolian showing such DNA. There are Kazakhs and other Turkified or Mongolified tribes there.

Also a Kazakh who is 70% Mongoloid on average and you mix with a 100% Mongoloid of course you're going to produce roughly 85% Mongoloid. Like many African americans who is 66% Black, you mix with another pure 100% Black you're still going to get 17% Caucasoid

[Hudayar]

Without including this ANE component ( Ancient North Eurasian ) which is proven to exist in very high percentages in pure Mongoloid populations showing 0% Caucasoid admixture. Therefore the real admixture the Caucasoid admixture in these Mongol tribes are generally only small with exception of western part of Mongolia.

Mongolian DNA

Dark yellow: East Asian
Light yellow: Siberian
Dark Purple: East Siberian,
Light purple: Chuckhi, Eskimo

Caucasoid DNA

Blue: Europeans
Green: West Asian
Dark Green: South Asian


Mongoloid DNA in Buryat 88-96%
Caucasoid DNA in Buryat 4-12% (2-8% if you don't want to include South Asian as Caucasoid )
https://i.imgur.com/GBn8xAf.png


Mongoloid DNA in Tuvans 85 - 92.5%
Caucasoid DNA in Tuvans 8.5 -15% (7% - 12% if you don't want to include South Asians )

https://i.imgur.com/xpGiaXV.png


Mongols from Mongolia

East Mongols

Mongoloid DNA in East Mongolian 95-99%
Caucasoid DNA in East Mongolian 1-5%


West Mongols DNA

Mongoloid DNA in West Mongolian 83-86%
Caucasoid DNA in West Mongolian 14-17% ( very negligible South Asians )

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ppyhbm.jpg


We shouldn't be surprised with west Mongolian showing such DNA. There are Kazakhs and other Turkified or Mongolified tribes there.

Also a Kazakh who is 70% Mongoloid on average and you mix with a 100% Mongoloid of course you're going to produce roughly 85% Mongoloid. Like many African americans who is 66% Black, you mix with another pure 100% Black you're still going to get 17% Caucasoid

interesting. I was aware of Western Mongolians mixing with Turkics (maybe Kazakhs).

Do you happen to have gedmatch kitnumbers of mongolians? East, Central, West doesn't matter.

[LoLeL]

Their Caucasoid admixture have various sources. e.g. some Mongols got it from Central Asians (similar to Kazakhs-Mongol mixing). And the others could be from concubines and slaves from Europe, West and South Asia.

Mongol Genetics: Abstracts and Summaries (http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/mongols.html)


The Mongols tend to be excellent representatives of the Mongoloid racial type that was named after them but some western Mongols have hair that's lighter than black, blue or green eyes, and/or pink skin from having intermarried with Caucasoid/Europoid peoples. As in the case of Mongols from Mongolia, there are some Kalmyks with green eyes and/or blond hair, rather than the typical black hair and brown/black eyes of the Mongoloid race.

[Sp_loa]

I saw quite many mongolians with light hair (light brown-reddish-blondish) and even some hazel-blue eyes mongolians. I knew they have some caucasian DNA.

[Chocolate_Hound]

Mongolians do not look Caucasoid at all. They look very Mongoloid, but in a different way from East Asians that is kind of hard to explain. They are part of the Ural-Altaic family, meaning they are closer to Turkics than they are to Sino-Tibetans.

[longly]

There's no such thing as Central Asian dna

Why would you say that the people of Central Asia do have their own DNA? Every group does, don’t they?

[NSXD60]

The Scyths did indeed bury some of their dead in Mongolia, but the question is were they pure Hermitage Museum Scyths upon arrival who hybridized there or did it in transit before settling until finally being fully absorbed. We know the very earliest Tarim mummies were overwhelmingly PIE, but were as racially swallowed up as the Altai Scyths, Mongols being the most reproductively prolific race anciently and even presently, so the question should be, why aren't Slavs more Mongol-shifted, not whether or not they are. Off topic, but an Indra-like gleaming copper club was found in the crook of the left arm of a chieftan's skeletal remains, remnants of leather around the grip, in the Yamnaya cemetery of Kutuluk. A youtubing behavioral PIE denier, upon reading the description of Indra's club in the Rig Veda, finally came to the conclusion that yes they did mostly conquer, not simply export language through trade, whatever that means.

[Leto]

From Dodecad K12b

Khalkha Mongols (the dominant subgroup in Mongolia)


Mongol_Khalkh,3.14,32.62,0.22,6.40,0.61,5.19,0.85, 0.10,0.44,47.33,3.01,0.08

= 12.39%

Uuld Mongols, a minor subgroup of Mongols


Mongol_Uuld,4.73,33.82,0.13,4.31,0.76,5.76,0.48,0. 11,0.44,45.93,3.34,0.20

= 15.03%

For comparison

Kalmyks


Kalmyk,4.18,34.5,0.27,3.84,1.92,6.85,0.35,0,0.61,4 3.49,3.9,0

= 17.46%

Buryats


Buryat,3.62,42.84,0.24,1.96,0.81,4.40,0.80,0.11,0. 46,42.32,2.35,0.10

= 11.64%

[Roy]

From Dodecad K12b

Khalkha Mongols (the dominant subgroup in Mongolia)


Mongol_Khalkh,3.14,32.62,0.22,6.40,0.61,5.19,0.85, 0.10,0.44,47.33,3.01,0.08

= 12.39%

Uuld Mongols, a minor subgroup of Mongols


Mongol_Uuld,4.73,33.82,0.13,4.31,0.76,5.76,0.48,0. 11,0.44,45.93,3.34,0.20

= 15.03%

For comparison

Kalmyks


Kalmyk,4.18,34.5,0.27,3.84,1.92,6.85,0.35,0,0.61,4 3.49,3.9,0

= 17.46%

Buryats


Buryat,3.62,42.84,0.24,1.96,0.81,4.40,0.80,0.11,0. 46,42.32,2.35,0.10

= 11.64%

Buryats being even more pure Mong than Mongolians themselves, it is very impressive!

[Leto]

Buryats being even more pure Mong than Mongolians themselves, it is very impressive!
They live to the North of modern Mongolia, hence have more Tungus or similar admixture. In the 1920s the newly created republic was called the Buryat-Mongolian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. Later the Mongolian part was removed.

[Zanzibar]

From Dodecad K12b

Khalkha Mongols (the dominant subgroup in Mongolia)


Mongol_Khalkh,3.14,32.62,0.22,6.40,0.61,5.19,0.85, 0.10,0.44,47.33,3.01,0.08

= 12.39%

Uuld Mongols, a minor subgroup of Mongols


Mongol_Uuld,4.73,33.82,0.13,4.31,0.76,5.76,0.48,0. 11,0.44,45.93,3.34,0.20

= 15.03%

For comparison

Kalmyks


Kalmyk,4.18,34.5,0.27,3.84,1.92,6.85,0.35,0,0.61,4 3.49,3.9,0

= 17.46%

Buryats


Buryat,3.62,42.84,0.24,1.96,0.81,4.40,0.80,0.11,0. 46,42.32,2.35,0.10

= 11.64%

I would also add the Khamnegans who seem to be another Mongol subgroup (although they have Evenk origin) who seem to be closer to Buryats than other Mongols. They also seem to live in Mongolia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamnigan


Khamnigan,2.51,44.07,0.35,3.91,1.04,2.99,0.67,0.18 ,0.36,42.50,1.37,0.06

=8.27%

Seems like their Tungusic Evenk and Oroqen (need this pop to improve the fit distance) ancestry decrease their Caucasoid score.