Which European Race Is Superior? (FINAL ROUND!!!!)

[Nglund]

England vs Spain
Roll on! :D


http://www.wearemulticolored.com/userflags/1619770808.jpg

[Mordid]

I'd vote Englandddddddddddddddddddddd.

[Arne]

Engelland
Sorry spain, but they don´t have bullfights.

[Treffie]

Engelland
Sorry spain, but they don´t have bullfights.

Does Spain have foxhunting? (Even tho illegal, it still goes on)

[Wyn]

We have Blackadder, Spain does not.

Checkmate.

[Lábaru]

Not Sconland here? why?

[Saruman]

Engelland
Sorry spain, but they don´t have bullfights.

What's wrong with those? Elegantly dressed courageous man face to face against bulls? They might have weapons, but still it takes balls to face an angry bull. Should Matador make an error it could cost him dearly. I'm against cruelty to animals, but this is something different. The purpose is primarily individual heroism I'd say. Plus, it's a long tradition.

[Lábaru]

Spain has a Spanish president, of celtiberian blood, it shows our superiority.

[Lábaru]

Cameron has direct English and Scottish descent, and more distant German and Ashkenazi Jewish.

[Mordid]

Spain has a Spanish president, of celtiberian blood, it shows our superiority.

If your president has Slavic blood, it would be even more superiority.

[Lábaru]

David Cameron.

His grandfather Emile Levite, a German Jewish businessman who obtained British citizenship in 1871, his wife and great-grandmother of David Cameron came from Rée a wealthy Jewish family in Denmark..

A country with a Jewish president can not win the vote of European racial superiority... If there is still pride in Europe.

[Cato]

http://www.oleole.com/media/main/images/member_photos/group1/subgrp149/viva-espana_44435.jpg

[Alvarado]

A country with a Jewish president can not win the vote of European racial superiority... If there is still pride in Europe.

Zapatero is probably part Jewish.

Un asesor de Zapatero revela que el presidente es de origen judío

http://www.elsemanaldigital.com/articulos.asp?idarticulo=76137

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[Lábaru]

About Zapatero, was a baseless rumor to improve our damaged relations with Israel, later denied, has no Jewish ancestry.

[Nglund]

Both countries are now reduced to 3rd rate powers, let's focus on historical facts shall we?
It doesn't really matter who's "Jewish" and who's not anyway.
Roll on ENGLAAAAAAAAAND! :D

[Vasconcelos]

I've always had a special affinity with the English, but the Spanish are the closest both genetically and culturally to me country.

Anyway, since I think chosing one of those "races" as "superior" is pretty silly, I'll do the same as before..I shall not vote.
I'll be happy for whoever wins, I'm pretty friendly to both. :thumb001:

[Grumpy Cat]

Greeks are the best cooks in Europe. Although Germans give them a run for their money, especially in the dessert department.

[blan]

in a battle of dry wit England of course. in a sword fight...i would say spain

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[Foxy]

greeks are the best cooks in europe.

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????????

Moussaka or Lasagna? :D

[blan]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????????

greek food is excellent but when i see the food you post mrs vampire, i would have you cook for me before anyone, the only cook better would be my grandmother. Italians are the best cooks, Greeks rank high along with some of the french, but i do like some English fair as crazy as it sounds, nothing special but its simple and nice. as is boiled Irish dinners. Germans are excellent bakers.

[Arne]

greek food is excellent but when i see the food you post mrs vampire, i would have you cook for me before anyone, the only cook better would be my grandmother. Italians are the best cooks, Greeks rank high along with some of the french, but i do like some English fair as crazy as it sounds, nothing special but its simple and nice. as is boiled Irish dinners. Germans are excellent bakers.
Bakers ??
Yes, the german Bread is amazing.
But what about Bratwurst ?
Germans are obsessed with Bratwurst.. :D :D
Nothings better than that !!!
http://www.der-erfolg-gibt-recht.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/bratwurst-in-der-pfanne-mit-rapsol-braten.JPG
French have horrible unhealthy white bread called Baguette.
Italy has much with Tomatoes, i like tomatoes.
Greek Olives are bigger than other Olives.

[blan]

Bakers ??
Yes, the german Bread is amazing.
But what about Bratwurst ?
Germans are obsessed with Bratwurst.. :D :D
Nothings better than that !!!
http://www.der-erfolg-gibt-recht.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/bratwurst-in-der-pfanne-mit-rapsol-braten.JPG
French have horrible unhealthy white bread called Baguette.
Italy has much with Tomatoes, i like tomatoes.
Greek Olives are bigger than other Olives.

i get a Baguette almost everyday at the boulangerie down the street from me i love my french baked goods .
but the bratwurst is great in Jamaica the Germans Jamaicans of seaford town still make them

[Herder]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????????

Moussaka or Lasagna? :D

Never heard of it

[Vasconcelos]

Oh, clearly most of you haven't visited Portugal, food is great here. :)
I'm a fan of italians when it comes to yummy (food).

[Gamera]

http://www.todoavatar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/espanacampeonmundial2010.jpg

[blan]

Never heard of it

moussaka is a dish popular in greece and other med areas it is made with lamb and eggplant sometimes i think it is great, but dont tell me you never heard of lasagna???

[Herder]

moussaka is a dish popular in greece and other med areas it is made with lamb and eggplant sometimes i think it is great, but dont tell me you never heard of lasagna???

Yes. I didn't highlight it.

[Grumpy Cat]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????????

Moussaka or Lasagna? :D

Moussaka, please.

[Nglund]

Two winners, and only one prize :p
Both 'races' are nearly even, vote more folks :D!

[Bloodeagle]

Let's see: :)
1. The English make better beer but the Spaniards make better wine.
2. I love Mediterranean climates but I cannot stand the heat now that I have lived in the cold for so long.
3. Spanish food is way yummier than English fare, IMHO.
4. I prefer coffee to tea
5. Spanish women are very beautiful, so are some English women.
6. I would need to learn proper Spanish and forget the Mexican slang that I have picked up over the years.
7. I have English ancestry.
8. I dig English accents.
9. That whole siesta thing in the middle of the day would drive me crazy.
10. The English have nicer gardens.

I would have to pick England with one exception, neither one is superior to the other, they are just different! :D

[Albion]

Cameron has direct English and Scottish descent, and more distant German and Ashkenazi Jewish.


David Cameron.

His grandfather Emile Levite, a German Jewish businessman who obtained British citizenship in 1871, his wife and great-grandmother of David Cameron came from Rée a wealthy Jewish family in Denmark..

A country with a Jewish president can not win the vote of European racial superiority... If there is still pride in Europe.

Source???

[esaima]

Germany is.But i see it is now too late to say it.So I voted for Germany´s cousin.

[Joe McCarthy]

This question was settled in 1588:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_S5FwHXr9eSU/SnMOoOAarZI/AAAAAAAAABQ/fo8Gz20XCV4/s320/Loutherbourg-Spanish_Armada+--+small.jpg

[Albion]

This question was settled in 1588:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_S5FwHXr9eSU/SnMOoOAarZI/AAAAAAAAABQ/fo8Gz20XCV4/s320/Loutherbourg-Spanish_Armada+--+small.jpg

:thumb001::D

[Nglund]

Ok, I got fed up acting like Switzerland so...


EN-GUH-LAND!
EN-GUH-LAND!
EN-GUH-LAND!

http://www.barking-dagenham.gov.uk/2-news-events/events/images/local-house-decorated-with-st-george-cross-flags.jpg

COME ON ENGLAND!

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/covtelegraph/apr2009/0/3/st-george-s-day-169238541.jpg

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

[Alvarado]

1589:

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6440/figura021tv.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Armada

[Albion]

1589:

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6440/figura021tv.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Armada

Our victory over your Armada was more important since it prevent us from becoming a Spanish territory and thus allowed us to make our own path in the world which we did rather well I'd say.

[Peasant]

The Spanish Armada

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Routes_of_the_Spanish_Armada.gif
;)

[Albion]

The Spanish Armada

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Routes_of_the_Spanish_Armada.gif
;)

What must they have been thinking, well in English something like "Run!" judging by the map. :p

[Alvarado]

Our victory over your Armada was more important since it prevent us from becoming a Spanish territory and thus allowed us to make our own path in the world which we did rather well I'd say.

I don't deny it. Even in times of war there were signs of generosity and honor.

http://www.portalcantabria.es/LuisVelasco.jpg

"The fortress held out for another two months despite daily heavy shelling, thanks to the energetic and valiant leadership of Velasco. The resistance came to an end when Velasco was hit by a bullet in the chest. The leader of the British attack force, Sir Reppel, allowed the transfer of the heavily wounded Velasco to Havana, where British surgeons tried to save his life, but in vain; he died on July 31, 1762. The British and Spanish concluded a truce to allow for his burial."

"Velasco was honoured by Spanish and British for his bravery. There is a monument in his honour in Westminster Abbey and in the Tower of London, where the Spanish standard of El Morro is kept. British ships fired a salute until the beginning of the 20th century, when passing his hometown Noja."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Vicente_de_Velasco_e_Isla

[Don]

http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/fox-hunt-01.jpg

VS
http://apoyoagalapagos.blogspot.es/img/JOSETOMAS.JPG







http://www.whataboutki.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/chips1.jpg

VS
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZReF_GocuVI/TEikFVzuH-I/AAAAAAAAITg/MyJI0qvc_WM/s1600/paellas.jpg






http://schoolworkhelper.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/othello-dvd-1995.jpg

VS
http://www.quedepeliculas.com/cartel-200801/200801184913_86605200-pelicula-el-caballero-don-quijote.jpg







http://ficharoja.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/españa-campeon-mundial-2010.jpg

VS
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/article185995.ece/ALTERNATES/gallery-large/Soccer+-+FIFA+World+Cup+2010+-+Qualifying+Round+-+Group+Six+-+Ukraine+v+England+-+Dnipro+Arena.jpeg





Mhhh... Too Easy :)

http://www.tiendahobbies.com/images/conquistador_playmobil_4742.gif

[SaxonCeorl]

^ IMO, all of the Spanish things listed by Don are better than their English counterparts, except for the food. That fish and chips looks good :icon_hungry:

[Grumpy Cat]

OK. I voted Spain, but before the English get mad at me, I offer this explanation:

Y'all know me. There are people on here who don't like me because I am an egalitarian (I believe all people are equal). So, I don't rate people above others.

However, I have no qualms about rating food.

And sorry, Spain wins out in this department.

Although, despite their reputation, the English do have some kitchen skills. I'm quite fond of steak and kidney pie, Yorkshire pudding, and shepherd's pie.

[SaxonCeorl]

The football-related pics inspire me to make another comparison:

http://www.realmadridsc.com/photos/iker-casillas-bio.jpg
vs.
http://images.smh.com.au/2010/06/13/1592954/green7-600x400.jpg

[Nglund]

We're gonna lose:mad:
Fight HARDER:mad:!


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[Adalwolf]

Personally I know that Germany should have rightfully won this hands down....

But since these are my remaining option, England has definitely contributed more.

[Peasant]

Beat this breakfast, Spain!

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01438/fullenglish_1438972c.jpg

WTF is this Spain? Try harder.

http://i.ehow.co.uk/images/a04/tt/3j/traditional-foods-spanish-breakfast-200X200.jpg

[Joe McCarthy]

In his epic The Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World: from Marathon to Waterloo Sir Edward Creasy listed the destruction of the Spanish Armada in chapter 10.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifteen_Decisive_Battles_of_the_World


Defeat of the Spanish Armada, AD 1588
Excerpt: The England of our own days is so strong, and the Spain of our own days is so feeble, that it is not easy, without some reflection and care, to comprehend the full extent of the peril which England then ran from the power and the ambition of Spain, or to appreciate the importance of that crisis...

[Mordid]

I agree with Spanish member. English food are crap.

[Lábaru]

Oh, clearly most of you haven't visited Portugal, food is great here. :)


I can confirm.

[Lábaru]

Source???

Hello, wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cameron

David Cameron's great-great grandfather Emile Levita, a German-Jewish financier who obtained British citizenship in 1871, was the director of the Chartered Bank of India, Australia and China which became Standard Chartered Bank in 1969.[15] His wife, Cameron's great-great grandmother, was a descendant of the wealthy Danish Jewish Rée family.[16][17] One of Emile's sons, Arthur Francis Levita (d.1910) (brother of Sir Cecil Levita)


Friends, England is a great country but we can not let win having a Jewish president, we must punish this fact, by that way we can all go to a synagogue.

An of course, the Spanish have Don Blas de Lezo, terror of the English, who with 3000 soldiers and 6 ships won against more than 150 British ships and more than 23,000 english men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cartagena_de_Indias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blas_de_Lezo

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We were considered gods and captured the divine Inca emperor with just 187 men, fighting against tens of thousands of Indians, we ask a rescue for him, a room full of gold and two of silver, we took the gold as if we were gods, we ended with the emperor, surrounded by hundreds of thousands of Indians.

Vote for us!


Our secret weapon of massive destruction.

http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/imagen/Espadas/ropera-toledana-swords.jpg

http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/imagen/mar/casco-conquistador2.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/o8f21v.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:npyjlNaFprFMPM:http://www.gabrielbernat.es/conquista/assets/images/conquistador.JPG&t=1

http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/HistImages/B_005_DonOnate_pix.jpg

http://alerce.pntic.mec.es/lsam0005/2bach_historia/imagenes/conquistador.jpg

Los trece de la fama.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EWwG4NgDPfc/Sc4zmcFxxjI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/IpZs9JwleP0/s400/Am+Los+13+de+la+fama.jpg


http://www.kalipedia.com/kalipediamedia/historia/media/200808/01/hisbolivia/20080801klphishbo_35_Ies_SCO.jpg

[Cato]

Which RACE not which NATION is superior. As a nation, Spain is superior, but as a race, there is no race more superior under the lofty heaven than the American variety of Englishman.

http://aphr.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/washington_crossing_the_delaware.jpg

[Lábaru]

Which RACE not which NATION is superior. As a nation, Spain is superior, but as a race, there is no race more superior under the lofty heaven than the American variety of Englishman.

http://aphr.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/washington_crossing_the_delaware.jpg

American Revolutionary War

Under Royal Order from Charles III of Spain, Gálvez continued the smuggling operations to supply the North American rebels early in 1777. The British blockaded the eastern colonial ports, and the route from New Orleans up the Mississippi River was an effective alternative . Gálvez worked with Oliver Pollock, a North American patriot, shipping gunpowder, muskets, uniforms, medicine and other supplies. Gálvez let an American force through New Orleans before Spain joined the cause. Gálvez was sent to Florida by New Spain Viceroy Martín de Mayorga, at the head of an expedition of colonial troops to aid American colonists in their rebellion against Britain. Spain's motive was the chance to recover territories lost to the British, particularly Florida, and to remove the on-going British threat.




Gálvez carried out a masterful military campaign and defeated the British colonial forces at Manchac, Baton Rouge, and Natchez in 1779. The Battle of Baton Rouge on September 21, 1779 freed the lower Mississippi Valley of British forces and relieved the threat to the capital of Louisiana, New Orleans. In 1780, he recaptured Mobile from the British at the Battle of Fort Charlotte.


Continue...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_de_G%C3%A1lvez_y_Madrid,_Count_of_G%C3%A1 lvez

[Lábaru]

Our clothes and hats of the golden century deserve your vote.

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http://www.madridesmadrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/alatriste.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2A6zNadWCUM/TEhfIdeRAbI/AAAAAAAAAQg/M6IaJbxMrUI/s1600/CAPIT%C3%81N-ALATRISTE.jpg

http://d3ds4oy7g1wrqq.cloudfront.net/literaturainfantilycine/myfiles/Alatriste.jpg

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/290/f/9/capitan_alatriste_by_erzsebet_beast-d30xw5w.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7HY7-f7aIMo/Sds9q0O1qRI/AAAAAAAABY4/lyoP7HGLMVo/s400/Viggo_Mortensen_Alatriste.jpg

http://www.cinemovies.fr/images/data/photos/G380957308366.jpg

[Magister Eckhart]

At least the English and their descendants had the foresight to exterminate the natives instead of breeding with them and leaving a mess for the US to deal with a few centuries down the road.

[Libertas]

Take your pick.
World Plunderer 1 or World Plunderer 2?:wink

[antonio]

Spain has a Spanish president, of celtiberian blood, it shows our superiority.

A celtiberian? Probably he never tought about himself in these terms. And for the rest of us he's just a despisable traitor to everything that has something to do with Spain or Europe.

[Heretik]

Beat this breakfast, Spain!

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01438/fullenglish_1438972c.jpg

Is that charcoal on the plate? :eek:

[Don]

At least the English and their descendants had the foresight to exterminate the natives instead of breeding with them and leaving a mess for the US to deal with a few centuries down the road.

You are right in that.
But we could value these facts as derived from the nature of each one:
The spaniards were conquistadores, men of war, under conquista, or Misioneros, men of Faith.
Only few spaniard women went to america, so in South american "telenovelas" the "criollos" (spaniard "pure" americans) are a minority and not representative of most the population. As you know.

The english were mainly pilgrims and emigrants, with their women.

In the other hand, to behave with honor and respect to inferior races not exterminating them is a superiority and excellence trait.
Anyway, I am agree... we could have ignored these "superior" and "magnánimos" behaviours and now we wouldn't be invaded by millions of amerindians with unfair and insidious revenge and retaliation feelings and behaviours toward us, now that this modern world let us not to "protect us".

About the spanish armada "La Grande y Felicísima Armada" (called invencible by the english) was mainly a transport force since the spaniards had the idea to fight man to man, sword vs sword to the english in their land. No one knower of history doubts that the spaniards were daemons with a sword, and man to man fight. As Felipe II said "He mandado a mi armada a luchar contra hombres, no contra los Elementos." Really Englishmen didn't beat us, nature and storms did with our massive transport galeones containing the most fearsome warriors. If we only could have managed to disembark our Tercios... Now we would speaking Spanish even here and world, for sure, would be no ruled by Jewish... but storms and elements helped the weak one.

Only a few managed to disembark... and they continued with their duty, dying in it's call before returning España with dishonour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_de_Cuellar
http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T108200/index.html
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/FranciscoGutierrezCuellar.jpg


And well, about English Armada, the big "Banned historical fact" for the english, who dared to even build commemorative coins of their clear victory before their biggest Armada (only after the DAY-D in the XIX and bigger than Spanish Armada "invencible") was destroyed by spaniards... commanded by Don Blas de Lezo

...this time, finally, with decisive Man to Man action, even with an episode with 300 valientes facing to death the hordes of Jamaican negros macheteros and english troops. It seems is it true that when is about fight with swords, face to face, the Spaniards are daemons.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Y5ok4upqF60/TGjrOWUFPDI/AAAAAAAAAAU/TPr_9XUDolk/s1600/moneda_lezo.jpg
The one kneeling represents Don Blas (with 2 arms and 2 legs. He lost 1 of each in battles vs the moors and other europeans). They forged the coins before the men fought the battle. They forgot that the spaniards, man to man, face to face, with sword at hand, had no equal, and Don Blas knew it and moved his pieces to find the englishmen and their negros face to face with their men in the decisive moment.
Some spaniards managed to keep these coins (sent by the english to Spain to laugh at us by our lost of South America before the battle) to remember the english arrogance and FAIL and the deeds of that Medio Hombre and their sacrificed Spaniards.
http://www.cartagenainfo.net/glenndavid/blasdelezo.html

[Libertas]

Is that charcoal on the plate? :eek:

Cancer on a plate!:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Aramis]

My mind says England, but the heart cries out for Spain. Worst thread ever :cry2

[Lábaru]

A celtiberian? Probably he never tought about himself in these terms. And for the rest of us he's just a despisable traitor to everything that has something to do with Spain or Europe.

Joder paisanos, tenemos que lidiar con lo que tenemos aunque sea ZP y acicalarlo para que entre, no me jodáis el marranismo del presidente rival, cagón en la hostia.

[Lábaru]

"Spaniards in the sea I want, and if in land then Saint George may protect us"


http://blogs.ua.es/alejandrofarnese/files/2009/12/Escudo-de-los-tercios-espa%C3%B1oles.png

[Green River]

I vote for Spain!
The Spanish really know how to throw a party. :thumb001:
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200707/r158452_576052.jpg

[Lábaru]

True true!!

British party


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/2728370705_b4ea5a3533_o.jpg

Notting Hill Carnival

http://www.londondailypicture.com/images/august_2007/notinghill.jpg

http://inglaterra.pordescubrir.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/notting-hill.jpg


Normal Spanish party.


http://www.viajesporelmundo.cl/wp-content/uploads/san-fermin-eneko-alonso.jpg

http://fasane.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/san-fermin.jpg

http://www.elconfidencial.com/fotos/noticias/200806129encierro.jpg

http://amqueretaro.com/noticias/b1460bbdbd12117c82b685a5019dc2b6toro.jpg


http://www.navarra.es/NR/rdonlyres/AD470DED-2DDF-4B0D-B2DC-D16E6E9B995F/110167/130708sa20b.jpg

http://www.theblog.es/assets_c/2009/07/san_fermines_2009-thumb-480x346-260.jpg

http://www.fiestasdehuesca.com/files/DeVerdeYBlanco/chupinazo2.jpg

[perikolez]

I would say castilian-spaniards, english-british and finally Portugal because they have had an important empire being a little country , and they have stoped castilian imperialism , mantaining their independence.

[Raikaswinþs]

well, English are bitter losers. we are comparing here probably the two most important european powers since the times of the Roman Empire.Only France and Russia, and to a certain distance, Germany and Italy, Portugal and the Dutch, have had the global impact of the Crowns of Spain and England around the world and throughout time

They love and hate each other to the bits. There is nothing reasonable in comparing them.
It is like comparing Bulls and Lions, or comics vs manga. There is so manyb factors to be taken into account... an objective view is systematically impossible.

But hey, as far as I am concerned, Iberians of any kind will always overshadow Brits of every sort

[Nglund]

Spainful, Spainful, Spainful Savage Spaniards :D

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[Alvarado]

Here We go!

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[Treffie]

They love and hate each other to the bits. There is nothing reasonable in comparing them.


Brits hate the Spanish? Since when? :confused:

[antonio]

England has a big handicap against Spain: bad weather and Sun absence. We have cold or wet winters but summers and springs at least nice and quite sunny. I could not imagine (a question of mentaly sanity), after a cold and grey winter, a spring and summer just marginally better, as I suppose happens some years at British Isles.

[Nglund]

England has a big handicap against Spain: bad weather and Sun absence. We have cold or wet winters but summers and springs at least nice and quite sunny. I could not imagine (a question of mentaly sanity), after a cold and grey winter, a spring and summer just marginally better, as I suppose happens some years at British Isles.

Wait till Global Warming arrives in England, and we'll grow our own vineyards ;)

[Nglund]

An of course, the Spanish have Don Blas de Lezo, terror of the English, who with 3000 soldiers and 6 ships won against more than 150 British ships and more than 23,000 english men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cartagena_de_Indias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blas_de_Lezo

Beat that Spain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Siege_of_Gibraltar


Gibraltar

7,500 Britons vs 63,000 Spaniards

Outcome:1,780 British casualties - 10,000 Spanish casualties

BOOOOOO SHAME ON YOU SPAIN!:p

[Vasconcelos]

Well, it's an easily defended area, as happens with most "choke points"

[Raikaswinþs]

alvarado and mr england only prove my point. everybody here can showcase facts showing how either are superior than the other. It is just a matter of taste.

It is fair to say, however, that today, the brittish kingom is better organized and more fair than the spanish kingom. not saying that there is a lack of corruption and misadministration in britain (god spare me, it is awful here) . But in Spain, it reaches levels that are inadmissible for a former global empire and a current global power as Spain is.

You can blame it on our civil war, on our 40 years of dictatorship, on the lack of support to the spanish democracy and institutions during all that period by their euro neighbours (old foes all of them)

Anyhow,I truly think Spain is a chained bull. There's huge potential to take over the grids again.. but so many things are against that, both from the inside and the outside

[Alvarado]

BOOOOOO SHAME ON YOU SPAIN!:p

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4060/cadizzurbaran.jpg



Cádiz Expedition 1625

British Casualties and losses
7,000 dead or captured
62 ships lost

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1diz_Expedition_%281625%29

[Nglund]

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

Indeed :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/British_fleet_entering_Havana.jpg/300px-British_fleet_entering_Havana.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Havana_(1762)

[Lábaru]

Friends, I must repeat that you can not vote as a superior European race to a country doomed, full of Jews servers, they do not have enough with have a Jewish president...

Let's look at the leader of the British opposition, another fucking Jew with terrible intentions, look his evil face:

Ed Miliband

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00271/pg-03-Ed-Miliband-R_271359t.jpg

http://www.bradanovic.cl/judio.gif

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2010/03/ed-miliband-manifesto.jpg

No doubt he is planning exterminate anglosaxons, and probably all white people of the Europe.


Edward Samuel Miliband (born 24 December 1969) is a British Labour Party politician, currently Leader of the Labour Party and Leader of the Opposition. He has been the Member of Parliament (MP) for the South Yorkshire constituency of Doncaster North since 2005 and served in the Cabinet from 2007 to 2010 under Gordon Brown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband#Background_and_early_life

No words, guys....

Born in London, Miliband is the younger son of Polish Jewish immigrants. His mother, Marion Kozak,[1] survived the Holocaust thanks to being protected by Polish Catholics.[2] His father Ralph Miliband was a Marxist intellectual

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01006/ed-miliband-extra_1006964f.jpg

Well, I suggest you ask the moderators to remove your votes to England, is the only honorable way if you consider yourself European and have dignity.

Help save England with your protest vote, Vote Spain!!!

http://blogs.rtve.es/blogfiles/otadoya/Spain-RESIZE-s925-s450-fit1.jpg

http://www.formulatv.com/images/fgaleria/20200/20282_pilar-rubio-con-la-seleccion.jpg

[Beorn]

This thread seems to be conversing in English. I wonder which European "race" is superior?

[Treffie]

Friends, I must repeat that you can not vote as a superior European race to a country doomed, full of Jews servers, they do not have enough with have a Jewish president...

Let's look at the leader of the British opposition, another fucking Jew with terrible intentions, look his evil face:

Ed Miliband

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00271/pg-03-Ed-Miliband-R_271359t.jpg

http://www.bradanovic.cl/judio.gif

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2010/03/ed-miliband-manifesto.jpg

No doubt he is planning exterminate anglosaxons, and probably all white people of the Europe.


Edward Samuel Miliband (born 24 December 1969) is a British Labour Party politician, currently Leader of the Labour Party and Leader of the Opposition. He has been the Member of Parliament (MP) for the South Yorkshire constituency of Doncaster North since 2005 and served in the Cabinet from 2007 to 2010 under Gordon Brown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Miliband#Background_and_early_life

No words, guys....

Born in London, Miliband is the younger son of Polish Jewish immigrants. His mother, Marion Kozak,[1] survived the Holocaust thanks to being protected by Polish Catholics.[2] His father Ralph Miliband was a Marxist intellectual

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01006/ed-miliband-extra_1006964f.jpg

Well, I suggest you ask the moderators to remove your votes to England, is the only honorable way if you consider yourself European and have dignity.

Help save England with your protest vote, Vote Spain!!!

http://blogs.rtve.es/blogfiles/otadoya/Spain-RESIZE-s925-s450-fit1.jpg

http://www.formulatv.com/images/fgaleria/20200/20282_pilar-rubio-con-la-seleccion.jpg

England it is then :p

[antonio]

Born in London, Miliband is the younger son of Polish Jewish immigrants. His father Ralph Miliband was a Marxist intellectual


WTF is that shit? If I were English I would be voting Conservative for ages.

[Don]

This thread seems to be conversing in English. I wonder which European "race" is superior?

Indeed we, spaniards, can speak your foreign language, something you can't with ours. We once had this conversation :)

In the other hand, as I said before, were the Elements, the storms and casuality, not the men, who changed the fact that now we are writting english and not spanish: "Mandé a mi Armada a luchar contra hombres, no contra los Elementos." Felipe II. The known as "armada invencible" would have let that the men decide, in their superiority showed face to face, sword to sword, who would destroy the other one, but elements of nature favoured the weak one and decided the fate. In the meantime, English never were even near of giving the Golpe de Gracia to our people as we were with you.

Their greetest deed was that the storms saved them from their domination once the spaniards had disembarked in their land and see them face to face, man to man.


And about the importance of the english before the spanish... it is a economical question, nothing to be with honor, war deeds or courage of men.

It is the language it is spoken in the Jewish Sion, USA.

Nothing to be proud.
At least our nation, in the Armada, all were Cristianos Viejos, noble lineages or Pure europeans. No jews, no moors or non european... and yes, many inquisitors in the way ;). Great people indeed, now that we can, from perspective, see them and judge them in their context, similar to ours nowadays.

I even prefer having those mexican amerindians speaking that degeneration of my noble castilian.

At least they conserve some lessons we taught them about honor and courage.

Me, as a man of honor, could never chose anyone but spaniards, the people that gave real sense to this concept in our civilizations.

[Beorn]

but elements of nature favoured the weak one and decided the fate.

God is an Englishman. I'm sure I have had this conversation with you before also. :swl

[Alvarado]

I even prefer having those mexican amerindians speaking that degeneration of my noble castilian.


That's a shame, Don. Our theologians made a big mistake, they thought cattle have souls.

http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/wp-content/uploads/_equestrian0421_300.jpg


It's time to rectify that and return to the good old days.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E7wgBVe9xGc/TAykPbR5PVI/AAAAAAAAAcQ/wdOyO9rhkfU/s1600/sufrimiento.jpg

[Nglund]

God is an Englishman.

God was Spanish, but he's acting like a slag, he keeps changing nationalities as if they were undies :rofl:
God's getting more and more Semitic and Chink ;):D

[Nglund]

After all, the sun never set on Spanish and British Empires because God simply couldn't trust the two of 'em in the dark eh? ;):p

[Cato]

That's a shame, Don. Our theologians made a big mistake, they thought cattle have souls.

http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/wp-content/uploads/_equestrian0421_300.jpg

^
And I'm sure that the natives were living in a blissful vegan utopia before the dastardly Spanish came looking for gold. :rolleyes:

[Alvarado]

God was Spanish

True.


The Spaniards, marching on the ice attacked by surprise the enemy square the dawn of day 8 of December and gained a so complete victory that admiral Holak got to say: “ So seems that God is Spanish when building, for me, so great miracle ”.

http://www.juegalaroja.com/media/galeria/199/8/5/5/7/n_seleccion_espanola_la_historia-1747558.jpg

http://www.myetymology.com/encyclopedia/Miracle_of_Empel.html

[Cato]

The flag of the European ubernation would look something like this, save that you'd have to put the cross of Saint George in there someplace:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/4260248961_923c67d6d9_z.jpg

The nordicists will head for the hills when they see legions of conquistadors, redcoats, rebs and yanks coming after them to teach them a lesson for embracing foolish doctrines.

[Nglund]

The flag of the European ubernation would look something like this, save that you'd have to put the cross of Saint George in there someplace:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/4260248961_923c67d6d9_z.jpg

The nordicists will head for the hills when they see legions of conquistadors, redcoats, rebs and yanks coming after them to teach them a lesson for embracing foolish doctrines.

Here you go :D


http://www.wearemulticolored.com/userflags/749929902.jpg

UNITED ANGLO-HISPANIC STATES OF AMERICAAAA FTW! :p

[Cato]

The nordicists and Nazis will foam at the mouth when they see the above banner born aloft by Angloamericaniberian conquistador cavalry.. Right before they get trampled with the the fury of an oncoming freight train.

http://www.fringebloggers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/conquistadors.jpg
Yeehaw! Tally ho!! Vamos, vamos!!!

[Jack B]

http://i53.tinypic.com/9sgta8.jpg

:D

(epic paint skills)

[Nglund]

Epic Flag Contest part 2 :D


http://www.wearemulticolored.com/userflags/478097439.jpg

[Wyn]

http://imgur.com/14ov4.png

[Nglund]

FTW :eek: erm WTF** :eek::eek: Wynfrith is teh winnah :rofl:!!!!

[Peasant]

http://i54.tinypic.com/dmve6q.jpg

Bored.

[Albion]

Wait till Global Warming arrives in England, and we'll grow our own vineyards ;)

And they'll be as good as most of Morocco - desert. On the otherhand though, in the long run it could work against us...


WTF is that shit? If I were English I would be voting Conservative for ages.

We did. Scotland, Wales and some cities in Northern England voted Labour, the map of England is mostly blue (conservative).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/2010UKElectionMap.svg/500px-2010UKElectionMap.svg.png
Main parties: Red=Labour, Blue= Conservatives, Darker shade of Yellow = Liberal Democrats - Scotland, NI and Wales also have other parties.


Their greetest deed was that the storms saved them

Sh** happens. Yeah, life's not always fair is it?


from their domination once the spaniards had disembarked in their land and see them face to face, man to man.

You say this but what evidence is there? Now if it actually happened with the Spanish landing then we'd know whether your fighting Spaniards would have won the day or whether they weren't as tough as you thought.
Oh dear, looks like you didn't get there though.... shame.
Ran with your tail between your legs, chased around the Isles, isn't history cruel sometimes?
Hint: Next time pay better sailors, most of ours fared the storm alright. Trying to take an island nation isn't easy when you can't even get across the sea. :p


nothing to be with honor, war deeds or courage of men.

Blah, blah, blah, courageous men this, courageous men that. What courageous men??? Actions speak louder than words. - English proverb.


It is the language it is spoken in the Jewish Sion, USA.

Didn't Iberia breed its own type of Jews, Sephardi??? Askenazi are from Central Europe, we can't help it if they emigrate all over Northern Europe and America.
Besides, this thread is about the English, not Anglo-Americans.:rolleyes2:


Nothing to be proud.
At least our nation, in the Armada, all were Cristianos Viejos, noble lineages or Pure europeans. No jews, no moors or non european... and yes, many inquisitors in the way . Great people indeed, now that we can, from perspective, see them and judge them in their context, similar to ours nowadays.

I even prefer having those mexican amerindians speaking that degeneration of my noble castilian.

At least they conserve some lessons we taught them about honor and courage.

Me, as a man of honor, could never chose anyone but spaniards, the people that gave real sense to this concept in our civilizations.

http://strategicbulletin.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a676ca4e970b0148c68a8f9d970c-pi

[Nglund]

It seems that we went through an English Pyrrhic victory so far:1099:...
Tis a good job it's the final round, another one like that and England loses :eek:

HOLD ON TIGHT, ENGLAND!


http://www.britishbattles.com/100-years-war/sluys/english-cog.jpg

STEADY!!!

[Joe McCarthy]

At least the English and their descendants had the foresight to exterminate the natives instead of breeding with them and leaving a mess for the US to deal with a few centuries down the road.

The vast majority of Amerinds died through the introduction of European diseases. In other words, it was due to happenstance, not premeditated genocide. Liberal historiography would like us to believe that early Americans were roving SS death squads but the reality is far from different. The excesses that did occur tended to be carried out in the heat of the moment and were in response to the very real barbarities carried out in cold blood by Amerinds.

Moreover, disease also deciminated the Amerind population in what is now Mexico. By 1600 most of the population was dead. A good thing too; for if this hadn't occurred the Spanish would have had even more Amerinds to breed with and we'd have even more mongrel garbage coming over our border than we do already. ;)

[Nglund]

It's interesting to see how Wikipedia claims that the siege of Cartagena de Indias was the largest amphibious assault before D-Day. It certainly wasn't, the British expeditionary force to New York at the start of the American Revolution or Gallipoli during WWI were far larger than Vernon and Wentworth's fleet.
This episode was largely forgotten in Britain, but so were the 'successful' Cartagenas like the seizure of Havana and Manila or the 'grand assault' on Gibraltar in 1782 which is just Cartagena de Indias' roles reversed (so no, sorry chaps, even though Georgie II tried to cover it all up, every government does that, Wentworth and Vernon wrote pamphlets blaming eachother for this defeat, so people got informed in the end; no Anglo-conspiracy there :D).

[Alvarado]

Mexicans who cross USA border are actually not very mixed, for the most part. The spanish input in these "people" is low (if not inexistent) in many cases.


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/05/01/us/01immi_slide1.jpg
http://hhbap.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/illegal-immigrants.jpg
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/91547936.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D06B779235A155F2E4 18536D67F474302638C1B383965E0915E30A760B0D811297
http://img.youtube.com/vi/stHqvj7teWM/0.jpg
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QwZEM4CSdN7yeM:http://oregonstate.edu/admissions/blog/images/study.jpg&t=1
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/57556131.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD87B511F1F5234CF0 B558400A381B509E44D107AD02AE4E12F06BF04B24B4128C
http://agiachino.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/maria-angela.jpg


They are predominantly of Indian descent.

[Joe McCarthy]

Mexicans who cross USA border are actually not very mixed, for the most part. The spanish input in these "people" is low (if not inexistent) in many cases.


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/05/01/us/01immi_slide1.jpg
http://hhbap.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/illegal-immigrants.jpg
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/91547936.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D06B779235A155F2E4 18536D67F474302638C1B383965E0915E30A760B0D811297
http://img.youtube.com/vi/stHqvj7teWM/0.jpg
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QwZEM4CSdN7yeM:http://oregonstate.edu/admissions/blog/images/study.jpg&t=1
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/57556131.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD87B511F1F5234CF0 B558400A381B509E44D107AD02AE4E12F06BF04B24B4128C
http://agiachino.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/maria-angela.jpg


They are predominantly of Indian descent.

Mexicans in the US are actually more Spanish than Mexicans in Mexico:

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/the-racial-makeup-of-hispanics/


The truth is that Chicanos in the US are at present (1998) about 60% White and 40% Amerindian. Actual figures were 57% White and 39% Amerindian and 4% Black in one study and 59% White, 37% Amerindian, 3% Black in another. About 10-15 years before, in the 1980′s, they were about 70% White and 30% Indian. Actual figures ranged from 68% White, 30% Amerindian and 2% Black in one study to 65% White and 35% Amerindian in another.

Mexico is about the opposite – about 65% Indian, 34% White and 1% Black. Guerrero had 22% (!) Black genes. Sonora, at the high end, had 58% White genes.

[Magister Eckhart]

Mexicans who cross USA border are actually not very mixed, for the most part. The spanish input in these "people" is low (if not inexistent) in many cases.


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/05/01/us/01immi_slide1.jpg
http://hhbap.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/illegal-immigrants.jpg
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/91547936.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D06B779235A155F2E4 18536D67F474302638C1B383965E0915E30A760B0D811297
http://img.youtube.com/vi/stHqvj7teWM/0.jpg
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QwZEM4CSdN7yeM:http://oregonstate.edu/admissions/blog/images/study.jpg&t=1
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/57556131.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD87B511F1F5234CF0 B558400A381B509E44D107AD02AE4E12F06BF04B24B4128C
http://agiachino.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/maria-angela.jpg


They are predominantly of Indian descent.

My point stands.

[Magister Eckhart]

The vast majority of Amerinds died through the introduction of European diseases. In other words, it was due to happenstance, not premeditated genocide. Liberal historiography would like us to believe that early Americans were roving SS death squads but the reality is far from different. The excesses that did occur tended to be carried out in the heat of the moment and were in response to the very real barbarities carried out in cold blood by Amerinds.

Moreover, disease also deciminated the Amerind population in what is now Mexico. By 1600 most of the population was dead. A good thing too; for if this hadn't occurred the Spanish would have had even more Amerinds to breed with and we'd have even more mongrel garbage coming over our border than we do already. ;)

Actually, it was liberal Americans who were the roaming death squads calling for the extermination of the red Indian threat. Take Horace Greeley, for example.

Anyway, the point is that the British were better colonizers than the Spanish could ever be, which is why the Spanish Empire rose and fell within the space of about a century (the signs of collapse were already there in the time of Charles V), while the British still have their "Commonwealth" even today, and their first-born child is the sole superpower on the earth.

So, to echo a previous poster in answer to the Spaniards and Spanophiles on the board: what language are we all communicating in?

[Joe McCarthy]

Actually, it was liberal Americans who were the roaming death squads calling for the extermination of the red Indian threat. Take Horace Greeley, for example.


I'm referring to modern liberalism, or what Robert Bork dubbed post-modern liberalism; you know, the destructive kind. :)

There were a few firebrands, this is true. It's been a long time since I studied the Indian Wars, but I do recall calls for extermination over Indian raids in Colorado. This stuff was never carried out though. Even in our most racist days, we were never Mongols, or even Nazis.

[Nglund]

The English race is superior with 28 voters (58.33%) versus 19 other voters for the Spanish race(41.67%)!

VICTORY!

http://www.1000goals.com/wallpapers3/England-flag-picture.jpg

HUZZAH!!!


http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v2_c2_s17_ss02_01.jpg

(hopefully that will stir things up a lil' bit but shhhh:censored!)

[Lábaru]

Actually, it was liberal Americans who were the roaming death squads calling for the extermination of the red Indian threat. Take Horace Greeley, for example.

Anyway, the point is that the British were better colonizers than the Spanish could ever be, which is why the Spanish Empire rose and fell within the space of about a century (the signs of collapse were already there in the time of Charles V), while the British still have their "Commonwealth" even today, and their first-born child is the sole superpower on the earth.

So, to echo a previous poster in answer to the Spaniards and Spanophiles on the board: what language are we all communicating in?

That's a myth, not true, the continuing decline perennial of the Spanish empire is just black legend, regardless English Empire was better organized, take into account the knowledge and technology of each century, as well as the Black Death which raged in Iberian peninsula, the Spanish population was drastically reduced.

The point is that the Spanish Empire was not declining/collapsing since the begin, it's stupid and a myth.

http://nacionespanola.net/index.php?title=Los_mitos_de_la_Historia_de_Espa%F 1a

[SaxonCeorl]

I love how Mr. Nglund's northern European contest and "champion's" contest were obviously made in jest, yet they still managed to stir up pages worth of academic debate on the merits of each nation. :rolleyes:

[Lábaru]

The English race is superior with 23 voters (60.53%) versus 15 other voters for the Spanish race(39.47%)!

VICTORY!

http://www.1000goals.com/wallpapers3/England-flag-picture.jpg

HUZZAH!!!


http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v2_c2_s17_ss02_01.jpg

(hopefully that will stir things up a lil' bit but shhhh:censored!)

Congratulations, it was fun.

P.S But you guys need start to burn Jewish politicians, hostia.

[Ibericus]

Mexicans in the US are actually more Spanish than Mexicans in Mexico:

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/the-racial-makeup-of-hispanics/
The lastest study from 2010, tested mexicans from California, that is, your every-day US mexican, and they were on average 70% amerindian-30% euro :

" To investigate the level of admixture in the Mexican population, we combined the Mexican samples with a sample of European and East Asian populations. Using STRUCTURE with K = 3 we estimated an average of 32.5% European ancestry in Mexican individuals , which is lower than some previous estimates based on microsatellite or `ances-try informative' markers [Wang et al. 2008, Price et al. 2007, Salari et al. 2005, Tian et al. 2007].
However, it should be noted that the variability between individuals is high, and that the Mexican samples in our study originate from a single location (Guadalajara).
Auton et al. 2010

http://genome.cshlp.org/content/early/2009/02/12/gr.088898.108.full.pdf+html

[Gamera]

average 70% amerindian-30% euro :


Which with that admix, it kinda basically means "amerindians who are able to grow beards"...

[CelticTemplar]

I suppose us Romance nations have to stick together.

Spain!

[Cato]

Here is a quintessential Anglo-American uberman; his shirt says it all.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:TxcupvsMJWa-2M:http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9510/austinraisehell.jpg&t=1

In Spain, he's known as Don Esteban de Austin and is well-known for giving many alcohol-fuelled mudhole stompings to people that piss him off.

[Cato]

I suppose us Romance nations have to stick together.

Spain!

Or nations that have a Romance legacy, which the U.S. does, indeed, have. Directly, as in the case of Spanish involvement in the War of Independence, and indirectly, in the case of Roman political thought of the Republic influencing the Founding Fathers. America's old nickname is also Columbia, from Columbus.

[Don]

Blah, blah, blah, courageous men this, courageous men that. What courageous men??? Actions speak louder than words. - English proverb.

That is true, so we remember the infinite courageous and noble actions of our men despite the false words of our enemies in form of Black Legend.

Yes, we ever gave very importance to honor, word, virtue and courage of a man, as our Quijote perfectly represents.

We know that for jews and other low caste individuals these questions about these "old" virtues are quite ridiculous... and don't make money neither.

Más vale honra sin barcos que barcos sin honra.




Didn't Iberia breed its own type of Jews, Sephardi??? Askenazi are from Central Europe, we can't help it if they emigrate all over Northern Europe and America.

Yes, we kicked them 400 years before the rest.
Enjoy your jewish politicians.
At least we are speaking English due to the facilities they had in your lands in America.
They were banned in Nueva España and any other spaniard imperial lands... while spaniard territories.



http://strategicbulletin.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a676ca4e970b0148c68a8f9d970c-pi

Yes, even my spaniard ass is full of ideas. That image is quite representative.
Maybe you should seek for the inspiration and creativity you don't find in your head in my culo.

Maybe a new nick for you?
...


¡Tomad multiculturalidad!
http://www.laguia2000.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/la-matanza-del-templo-mayor1.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MbMiR61stt0/TAhgO8SPeuI/AAAAAAAAAOU/9b6mLALqis4/s1600/masacre.jpg

We failed:

Spain, 2010, now their sons come here by millions.
http://www.tribunalatina.com/es/img2/latin_kings_madrid_catalunya.jpg
Some even displaying some weak hairs in their alien faces feeling incoherently proud for minimal traces of Spaniard blood condemned in their impure veins, as usual in these selfcalled "latinos".
...


Someone said before something like we spaniards were bad colonizers compared to anglos and jews...
:)
Well, such a senseless and poor knowledge about history deserves a comparable answer:

Wolves are bad storks.


I had a big fun with the designs of the flags of the other members.
I think the Jews on charge of your anglo countries wouldn't like them very much...

[Cato]

I had a big fun with the designs of the flags of the other members. I think the Jews on charge of your anglo countries wouldn't like them very much...

Sadly it's a dream to want to have a sort of grand Anglo-Romance alliance, free of outside interlopers. The English, and their American progeny, and the Spanish were the big culture-bearers and pioneers of occidental civilization after the collapse of old Rome, and yet they've also been at odds with each other over colonial and mercantile interests for years and years.

People love to whine like tea kettles, like the people who blame the "wogs" for their impressive achievements, yet the Spanish Empire was the first global empire (or second, if you could the Mongols), and England followed suit, with America the inheritor, in many ways, of both Spain and England.

Spain>England>America, all are interrelated but very few of them will admit to it. Spain fought wars with England and America, losing her last real colonial possessions to the U.S. in the Spanish-American War. So, the U.S. is an empire in decline, probably to be eclipsed by the Chinese and its Asian bloc in years to come, unless a new alliance of western power is organized that admits to ALL of the great sources of our shared occidental culture and values.

[Alvarado]

Mexicans in the US are actually more Spanish than Mexicans in Mexico:


Admixture in Mexicans from Los Angeles:


Mexicans are variable in terms of their European-Amerindian mix, but with less variable tiny Sub-Saharan component (0.6% with a standard deviation of 1.2%). This is probably due to the fact that blacks were absorbed earlier in Mexico, while European-Amerindian social stratification and continued European immigration has fueled the retention of considerable variation. European admixture in Mexicans is 27.7% on average, but with a standard deviation of 24.0% and minimum/maximum value of 0.0 to 90.5% in the sample I am considering.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/10/admixture-in-new-world.html

[Cato]

Mexicans in the U.S. are ugly dirtbags, but I saw a couple from Spain (criollos?) at work today. Both of them were tall, very white-looking, and were speaking Spanish with an accent that I've never heard Mexicans speak in (I know some Spanish, from high school, and accent is one thing I can pick up on; Mexicans/latinos/chicanos [whatever they're called] sort of speak a dumbed-down Spanish to my ears, slow and slurred- mushmouthed in other words, I once saw a fat negro/latino fellow speaking Spanish at work and it sounded like he was drunk). The lady was very nice-looking and she winked at me as she went by.

I guess she likes guys with skinhead cuts and blue eyes lmaooo.

[Don]

People love to whine like tea kettles, like the people who blame the "wogs" for their impressive achievements, yet the Spanish Empire was the first global empire (or second, if you could the Mongols), and England followed suit, with America the inheritor, in many ways, of both Spain and England.

Spain>England>America, all are interrelated but very few of them will admit to it.


The english and other europeans as dutch, acted just as vultures to the spaniards, coming after every conquest and discovery they and the portugueses did. Waiting to the head of spear of Europe, Spain, the true aventureros, exploradores y conquistadores did they work to come close and parasite in form of massive colonization of territories not claimed by the fearsome spaniards or just in piracy form, such a noble and pride behaviour that nowadays do the negros... :coffee:

No offense, but the lions and hienas act quite this way. The lions explore and hunt and the hienas come after. I would never vote for hienas if the question was about superiority... at least in my concepts. ;)

Anyway, you honor us pallamedes, as the other that voted for us, showing not only deepest knowledge of our european history (that is world history), but respect to the valors that represented the spaniards and the very much that is owed to them or us by the other europeans (many of them even insult us... showing their quality and lowness).

And I'm not talking only about the discovery and expansion of the territories for our people (as europeans now), as America.
I'm talking about our defense of Europe with the sacrifices of our men, from Las Navas de Tolosa http://www.theapricity.com/forum/blog.php?b=183 to Lepanto.

Show admiration or at least respect for our people for the more than enough facts and deeds we did in all our history is a must for an studied and noble man or woman.

[Cato]

The english and other europeans as dutch, acted just as vultures to the spaniards, coming after every conquest and discovery they and the portugueses did. Waiting to the head of spears of Europe, Spain, the true aventureros, exploradores y conquistadores did they work to come close and parasite in form of massive colonization of territories not claimed by the fearsome spaniards or just in piracy form, such a noble and pride behaviour that nowadays do the negros... :coffee:

No offense, but the lions and hienas act quite this way. The lions explore and hunt and the hienas come after. I would never vote for hienas if the question was about superiority... at least in my concepts. ;)

The English that came to North America weren't really interested in exploration or conquest, but getting away from the British Isles to find a new life. This pioneering spirit has defined Americans since before 1776, and is largely to explain why, say, we put men on the moon. The formation of the U.S. was predicated upon long-standing anti-monarchial tendencies in the Englishmen, and clashes with the European powers were inevitable once the American republic got strong enough.

By mistreating loyal subjects in the American colonies, the British monarchs sealed their own doom.

I give credit where it's due, and I give credit to Spain for setting the groundwork for America.

[Albion]

Question: When does this poll close?


Anyway, the point is that the British were better colonizers than the Spanish could ever be, which is why the Spanish Empire rose and fell within the space of about a century (the signs of collapse were already there in the time of Charles V), while the British still have their "Commonwealth" even today, and their first-born child is the sole superpower on the earth.

That is correct, although the Commonwealth means very little. On the other hand though its still there and we aren't totally reduced to an unimportant spec, even if we have lost superpower and empire status.


That's a myth, not true, the continuing decline perennial of the Spanish empire is just black legend, regardless English Empire was better organized, take into account the knowledge and technology of each century, as well as the Black Death which raged in Iberian peninsula, the Spanish population was drastically reduced.

The point is that the Spanish Empire was not declining/collapsing since the begin, it's stupid and a myth.

http://nacionespanola.net/index.php?title=Los_mitos_de_la_Historia_de_Espa%F 1a

Doubt it. Any empire based on subjugating other peoples only and few actual settlements of the colonizing nation's people leads to a very shaky and potentially unstable empire. The best colonialism is settler colonialism.


I love how Mr. Nglund's northern European contest and "champion's" contest were obviously made in jest, yet they still managed to stir up pages worth of academic debate on the merits of each nation.

Yeah, that's European rivalries for you.


Congratulations, it was fun.

P.S But you guys need start to burn Jewish politicians, hostia.

Is the poll closed then? I've already voted on it.


Or nations that have a Romance legacy, which the U.S. does, indeed, have. Directly, as in the case of Spanish involvement in the War of Independence, and indirectly,

Thanks alot :rolleyes: Oh well, we helped your colonies too, we're both bad. :D


Enjoy your jewish politicians.
At least we are speaking English due to the facilities they had in your lands in America.
They were banned in Nueva España and any other spaniard imperial lands... while spaniard territories.

Oh god, stop tormenting us!!! :p


Yes, even my spaniard ass is full of ideas.

Hahaha, good come back. :D Is it dark up there?


Maybe a new nick for you?
...


¡Tomad multiculturalidad!

:D:D I like your ideas about multiculturalism!


Some even displaying some weak hairs in their alien faces feeling incoherently proud for minimal traces of Spaniard blood condemned in their impure veins, as usual in these selfcalled "latinos".

Ah, yeah that must annoy you.


Wolves are bad storks.

Yeah, the Jews and the Irish were a bad idea. The Irish started rebellions wherever they settled, bloody troublemakers. :rolleyes::D Eureka, Lower Canada as well as supporting various other movements around the empire and yours, one which springs to mind is Bernardo O'Higgins in Chile.
Personally I would have been amongst the royalists fighting from Chiloe since I despise republics, but I never mention that to any Chilenos I know :thumb001:

[Albion]

The english and other europeans as dutch, acted just as vultures to the spaniards, coming after every conquest and discovery they and the portugueses did.

Nah. The English had been playing at empires for centuries, only the Scots and Irish didn't want to play along ;) The English saw their chance in the new world and took it.
They also had the foresight to go for at least some temperate areas in which they knew how to farm and the similar conditions. Chile and Argentina's temperate areas perfect for European farming settlement were left rather late by Spain in its search for gold and riches.


By mistreating loyal subjects in the American colonies, the British monarchs sealed their own doom.

Yes, sadly that is true.

[Nglund]

By mistreating loyal subjects in the American colonies, the British monarchs sealed their own doom.
Yes, sadly that is true.

This has been disproven many times, settlers had bigger farms, bigger families, and a better way of life than Old Englanders back home by the time they started their revolution. It wasn't about taxation or anything of the sort, the cause of the revolution lies in the native american's land which New Englanders wanted to grab as a reward after the Seven Years' War. There was some hostility coming from Old Englanders (calling settlers British mutts,etc...) but this was mainly jealousy regarding their way of life. Of course, most 'Transatlantic Britons' admired Britain and treated their brethren from the Home Nations with utmost respect.
But anyway, the problem didn't lie in mistreatment, but in the fact that the colonies wanted more power, some kind of parliament would have sufficed. But Westminster didn't realize the impact an autonomous government could have on a colony, they soon learned that at their own expense.
Thanks to the Durham Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham_report), the process of colonial revolution was averted, avoiding the creation of United States of Australia and of similar regimes in the Empire.
That's the most surprising thing about the British Empire, it survived and grew out to be the largest empire ever, instead of facing a similar kind of event elsewhere.
So ultimately, the colonials weren't mistreated.

[Lábaru]

Doubt it. Any empire based on subjugating other peoples only and few actual settlements of the colonizing nation's people leads to a very shaky and potentially unstable empire. The best colonialism is settler colonialism.


Unstable? Britain and its empire, in all its glory was not able to take the West Indies, I'm afraid you do not know anything about the history of the Spanish empire, His end was the decline and mismanagement, ok, but in the begin and his glory Spain ruled with an iron fist his territories, even though the black legend wants to bury the first global empire.

If you want to believe the propaganda garbage, okay, not is my problem.

[Albion]

This has been disproven many times, settlers had bigger farms, bigger families, and a better way of life than Old Englanders back home by the time they started their revolution. It wasn't about taxation or anything of the sort, the cause of the revolution lies in the native american's land which New Englanders wanted to grab as a reward after the Seven Years' War. There was some hostility coming from Old Englanders (calling settlers British mutts,etc...) but this was mainly jealousy regarding their way of life. Of course, most 'Transatlantic Britons' admired Britain and treated their brethren from the Home Nations with utmost respect.
But anyway, the problem didn't lie in mistreatment, but in the fact that the colonies wanted more power, some kind of parliament would have sufficed. But Westminster didn't realize the impact an autonomous government could have on a colony, they soon learned that at their own expense.
Thanks to the Durham Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham_report), the process of colonial revolution was averted, avoiding the creation of United States of Australia and of similar regimes in the Empire.
That's the most surprising thing about the British Empire, it survived and grew out to be the largest empire ever, instead of facing a similar kind of event elsewhere.
So ultimately, the colonials weren't mistreated.

That is true, but not representing them in a proper fashion in government was bound to cause upset. I suppose Britain thought her subjects would do as they were told without question forever.


Unstable? Britain and its empire, in all its glory was not able to take the West Indies

Once slavery was abolished the West Indies wasn't worth fighting for. The problem is so many European nations controlled it, why create total war with so many nations over a few islands?


I'm afraid you do not know anything about the history of the Spanish empire, His end was the decline and mismanagement, ok, but in the begin and his glory Spain ruled with an iron fist his territories, even though the black legend wants to bury the first global empire.

Yeah yeah, the Spanish Empire did have long periods of stability, I know this and didn't deny it - I just failed to mention it. ;)

Enough with the black legend already, I grow tired of all the Spaniards on here attributing all the negative connotations to it. To make my position clear: I don't believe in such rubbish, I make up my own mind on what to think..
What does the black legend tell us? That the Spanish were a load of gold-hungry, Indio-killing villains - why the hell do I care? I don't give a toss about the Indios, the deeds of the Spanish (unless against us or our allies) or anything Spain has done that has been good or bad in the new world!
I don't cling to the black legend because what I read about it doesn't bother me anyway.
I'm a Eurocentirst - I care about Europe, Europeans (incl. the white colonies), not the fate of the Incas or whatever befell the Indian tribes of the Orinoco delta!!!
Besides, the British can't pass judgement on anybody. :p

[Lábaru]

Once slavery was abolished the West Indies wasn't worth fighting for. The problem is so many European nations controlled it, why create total war with so many nations over a few islands?

Perhaps the term " West Indian" in English language has you confused? with this term, I have referred to all American territories, is not a secret that England coveted gold of the Spanish territories, simply did not have the strength to take those territories, because a dying and "unstable" Spanish Empire retained their territories.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Don_Blas_de_Lezo_-Museo_Naval-.jpg




Yeah yeah, the Spanish Empire did have long periods of stability, I know this and didn't deny it - I just failed to mention it. ;)

Enough with the black legend already, I grow tired of all the Spaniards on here attributing all the negative connotations to it. To make my position clear: I don't believe in such rubbish, I make up my own mind on what to think..
What does the black legend tell us? That the Spanish were a load of gold-hungry, Indio-killing villains - why the hell do I care? I don't give a toss about the Indios, the deeds of the Spanish (unless against us or our allies) or anything Spain has done that has been good or bad in the new world!
I don't cling to the black legend because what I read about it doesn't bother me anyway.


Friend, is not about you care or not the black legend, black legend is not only about America and the New World, black legend, created by England and Holland, those of orange were geniuses in terms of propaganda, tries to reduce the power and influence that Spain had in the world. An example of this is the Spanish Inquisition, the most notorious in Europe, the most terrible fame, but the reality is that in Europe there was other inquisitions that killed and burned more people.

Sorry, I find it very difficult to explain in English. limits me a lot.



I'm a Eurocentirst - I care about Europe, Europeans (incl. the white colonies), not the fate of the Incas or whatever befell the Indian tribes of the Orinoco delta!!!
Besides, the British can't pass judgement on anybody. :p

Agree, anyway we are now third powers, allies and friends countries againts the same enemy, other cultures.

[Albion]

Perhaps the term " West Indian" in English language has you confused? with this term, I have referred to all American territories

We generally apply "West Indies" to the islands of the Caribbean Sea only. All American territories are just referred to as "The Americas" usually.
We weren't able to take them because they put up too much resistance, we would have liked Rio de la plata, Uruguay went well but Beunos Aires not so good... I can't imagine how a British Argentina would have turned out like ;)


is not a secret that England coveted gold of the Spanish territories, simply did not have the strength to take those territories,

That is true. At least Drake and co gave you some fun :thumb001:


because a dying and "unstable" Spanish Empire retained their territories.

It was only after the French were invited into Iberia when the Spanish Empire became unstable enough to potentially collapse. Before that you were the big kid on the playground so to speak. :p


Friend, is not about you care or not the black legend, black legend is not only about America and the New World, black legend, created by England and Holland, those of orange were geniuses in terms of propaganda, tries to reduce the power and influence that Spain had in the world. An example of this is the Spanish Inquisition, the most notorious in Europe, the most terrible fame, but the reality is that in Europe there was other inquisitions that killed and burned more people.

Sorry, I find it very difficult to explain in English. limits me a lot.

Our empire fell by Roosevelt on his anti-colonialism crusade and two world wars. History can be harsh sometimes. :( I knew of the tales about it and the inquisition too but I thought it mainly applied to the Americas.


Agree, anyway we are now third powers, allies and friends countries againts the same enemy, other cultures.

Hahaha, if our ancestors could see us now :thumb001: Two old rivals now on generally friendly terms

[Lábaru]

It was only after the French were invited into Iberia when the Spanish Empire became unstable enough to potentially collapse. Before that you were the big kid on the playground so to speak. :p


Well, the French invasion led to the alliance between Spanish resistance and England, together, we expel the common enemy :)

[antonio]

Well, the French invasion led to the alliance between Spanish resistance and England, together, we expel the common enemy :)

Here it's worth to mention English army behaviour with average Spaniards villagers was highly debatable, specially taking into account that last ones were not treating them as enemies, f.e. they didnt kill them by surprise as with Frenchies did.

To sum it up: French Bourbon Spanish dinasty cheated Spanish people into defend it against French Post-Revolutionary Army ruled by a man worth all of them. And Bourbon's succeed on it. So, even today, they should show us some respect f.e. not marrying divorced unbalanced woman like Letizia. :D

[antonio]

Another worth of mention curiosity is that probably 90+ per cent ratio of French soldiers taking by Spanish civilians where lynched. Too much higher than same percentage across all conquered Europe. That creates a very big problem to French army: they started to get paranoid...
regarding each Spaniard as a potential assasine, they dont go out just on groups, etc...impairing too much the effective conquest of the country.

[Nglund]

Question: When does this poll close?

Is the poll closed then? I've already voted on it.

Neh, I just posted that victory thing to stir things up :p

[Osweo]

Britons, Iberians, and Russkies = greatest (modern period) Europeans by far, no contest. ;)

Have another flag. They amuse me. :D
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6604&stc=1&d=1293499618

[007]

Does Spain have foxhunting? (Even tho illegal, it still goes on)

On horseback with packs of hounds?


TALLY-HO!

[007]

About the spanish armada "La Grande y Felicísima Armada" (called invencible by the english) was mainly a transport force since the spaniards had the idea to fight man to man, sword vs sword to the english in their land. No one knower of history doubts that the spaniards were daemons with a sword, and man to man fight.

Actually, there's a rather good story in Terry Brown's book "English Martial Arts" about an English sailor captured by the Spanish who won his freedom by lambasting a few Spaniards mano a mano in hand to hand duels.

[Don]

Actually, there's a rather good story in Terry Brown's book "English Martial Arts" about an English sailor captured by the Spanish who won his freedom by lambasting a few Spaniards mano a mano in hand to hand duels.

Let me doubt it. Or if this happened was one of those examples of la excepción que confirma la regla.

The rule of the spaniards as the best swordsmen (not only because of our Espadas Toledanas) of History.

Although, the English showed to be better at sea technologies (cannons and other innovations) but never on man to man combat, as is proved vastly in many examples of our shared history.

[Cato]

First and last, I'm American first (as a nation). The squabbles between European countries don't interest me. Spain and England went first, I'll happily admit this, and these two elder, and kindred, cultures have more culture, prestige, and history.

In terms of sheer material achievement, America towers over them both because one of the hallmarks of America is the ability to set aside the sorts of squabbles and differences that still divide Europe. This isn't to say that there's never been any hostility against particular groups (negros, Irish), but at the end of the day, everyone's on an equal footing (in the old days, this meant something, now it doesn't).

And, still, my belief is that the Celtosaxon American (i.e. Americans strictly of English, Irish, Scots, Welch, etc. ancestry) is probably as superior a race as you'll find anywhere on Earth, so let me name a few names:

George Washington
George Patton
Robert E. Lee
Neil Armstrong
Ronald Reagan
Ulysses S. Grant

etc.

And these are a few of the famous names; tens of millions more have lived and died, including my own forefathers.

[Albion]

Let me doubt it. Or if this happened was one of those examples of la excepción que confirma la regla.

The rule of the spaniards as the best swordsmen (not only because of our Espadas Toledanas) of History.

Although, the English showed to be better at sea technologies (cannons and other innovations) but never on man to man combat, as is proved vastly in many examples of our shared history.

The Spanish fought with swords, the Angl-Saxon English fought with axes!

http://www.proprofs.com/games/puzzle/sliding/upload/249662_1266269656.jpg
http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/17559/54043n.jpg
http://cache-media.britannica.com/eb-media/77/13177-004-C6966659.jpg

[007]

Let me doubt it. Or if this happened was one of those examples of la excepción que confirma la regla.

The rule of the spaniards as the best swordsmen (not only because of our Espadas Toledanas) of History.

Although, the English showed to be better at sea technologies (cannons and other innovations) but never on man to man combat, as is proved vastly in many examples of our shared history.

Now, a true man of honour would be much more careful about calling another man a liar...:mad:

The story was posted on the English Martial Arts website at one time, but has been taken down. I could type it out from my copy of the book if you like. The incident began, iirc, when the Spaniard doubted the Englishman's claims to have been overpowered by weight of numbers rather than skill at arms. :p

[Don]

Now, a true man of honour would be much more careful about calling another man a liar...:mad:

The story was posted on the English Martial Arts website at one time, but has been taken down. I could type it out from my copy of the book if you like. The incident began, iirc, when the Spaniard doubted the Englishman's claims to have been overpowered by weight of numbers rather than skill at arms. :p

I didn't call you liar. Just pointed that if that episode you tell me was real, then that is the one that confirms the law of the exception.

Doubt about the historical superiority of spanish infantry when still was involved a confrontation face to face by the sword is just senseless. A prove of ignorance of History facts.

We had some errors and weak points, but the affinity with the sword and war never was one of them.

Almost all races of humanity in every corner of this Planet, first circumnavigated and most discovered by our caste -not enough to beat any race?-, have been witnesses of the baneful event of facing spaniards in battle.

My avatar represents one of these events. One of these annonimous spaniards that ruled the world for centuries while in our humanity the empires were built upon the courage of men.

[007]

I didn't call you liar.

Ok, then. :thumb001: I will not need to challenge you to a duel.


Just pointed that if that episode you tell me was real, then that is the one that confirms the law of the exception.

Doubt about the historical superiority of spanish infantry when still was involved a confrontation face to face by the sword is just senseless. A prove of ignorance of History facts.

We had some errors and weak points, but the affinity with the sword and war never was one of them.

Almost all races of humanity in every corner of this Planet, first circumnavigated and most discovered by our caste -not enough to beat any race?-, have been witnesses of the baneful event of facing spaniards in battle.

I'm not belittling the Spanish skill at arms, simply pointing out that the English/British are as good or better. Many Spanish kings employed English mercenary longbowmen in the Middle Ages and found them more than worth their pay. Needless to say, an archer must be proficient with melee weapons as well as his bow, to survive on the battlefield.

[Don]

I'm not belittling the Spanish skill at arms, simply pointing out that the English/British are as good or better. Many Spanish kings employed English mercenary longbowmen in the Middle Ages and found them more than worth their pay.

Sorry, but I never heard about that.
I know that irish volunteers were present among some companies of the Tercios Españoles.

I know that the bows for our culture in middle ages times were valued as weapons of cowards: proper of moors and islamics and not caballeros, as the Muslim invaders used recurrently in their armies in our Reconquista.
http://www.arcomedievo.es/ArquerosAndalusis/andalusi5a.jpg
http://abenyusuf.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/archer.jpg
http://www.noelshack.com/voir/130309/TheMoors-TheIslamicWest7th-15thCenturiesAD-05060048.jpg

In fact, most of the important battles won by our ancestors in Reconquista, were by the presence of castilian infantry and caballeros from Órdenes de Caballería (Calatrava, Santiago...), who ever seeked close combat as was proper of their nature and conception of honor.

The presence of bowmen in our military history is marginal.

I don't doubt, although, that a good english longbowman had impressive traits and abilities. Many noble french chevaliers were witnesses.
http://jeroenarendsen.nl/pics/Palm-back-v-sign2.jpg

[Joe McCarthy]

Originally Posted by Pallamedes
And, still, my belief is that the Celtosaxon American (i.e. Americans strictly of English, Irish, Scots, Welch, etc. ancestry) is probably as superior a race as you'll find anywhere on Earth, so let me name a few names:


Just a historical note. Back in the days of 'racist' America people of British descent, especially in the South, routinely referred to themselves as Anglo-Saxons. This usage has gone out of style to some extent, as we've entered the blurred amnesia of the 'post-racial society', but it's an important cultural factoid and component of our identity. :)

[007]

Perhaps if the Spanish had spent more time training on the longbow and less time with the siesta, they would have developed the necessary physical strength and mastered it's use. Claiming that the longbow is a coward's weapon sounds to me like some bloke picked one up and tugged vainly at the string. Unable to even bend the mighty weapon a trifle with his weak, untrained muscles, he tosses it aside with a sneer, pretending to be too good for what he cannot use. Or perhaps he spent an afternoon exerting himself and had to stop when his fingers began to bleed and, sweating like a pig but still unable to bend the contraption, he vowed to go back to his peaceful siesta and dreams of glory. :D

[Lábaru]

Just a historical note. Back in the days of 'racist' America people of British descent, especially in the South, routinely referred to themselves as Anglo-Saxons. This usage has gone out of style to some extent, as we've entered the blurred amnesia of the 'post-racial society', but it's an important cultural factoid and component of our identity. :)

with Anglo-Saxon has always given me the impression that they wanted to avoid the Celtic past.

[Lábaru]

Perhaps if the Spanish had spent more time training on the longbow and less time with the siesta, they would have developed the necessary physical strength and mastered it's use. Claiming that the longbow is a coward's weapon sounds to me like some bloke picked one up and tugged vainly at the string. Unable to even bend the mighty weapon a trifle with his weak, untrained muscles, he tosses it aside with a sneer, pretending to be too good for what he cannot use. Or perhaps he spent an afternoon exerting himself and had to stop when his fingers began to bleed and, sweating like a pig but still unable to bend the contraption, he vowed to go back to his peaceful siesta and dreams of glory. :D

Siesta is not a Spanish custom, is more widespread in Latin America, in Spain is anecdotal.

Englands = roobin Hood.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_74Fj16-aWFo/TElqQbJ2NhI/AAAAAAAAKy8/jXu7yOqnxuc/s1600/robinhood4.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ynYTUALuizs/Shy4SFIDduI/AAAAAAAAArU/bzKaBjm098k/s400/flynn_robin_hood.jpg

and it is a myth...

Spain = Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar, El Cid.

http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/imagen/espadas-cid/el-cid-campeador.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gB8i9RgQMBM/R_kn4kDZspI/AAAAAAAAArY/3PaAfptS6XY/s400/el+cid.jpg

A real man, with two legendary swords...

Tizona and Colada "Yo soy La Tizona" "Yo soy La Colada" «IO SOI TISONA FUE FECHA EN LA ERA DE MILE QUARENTA»

http://blogs.mediotiempo.com/wp-content/uploads/Tizona.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Espada_Tizona.jpg


http://perso.wanadoo.es/e/elarchivador/Curiosidades/Espadas/tizona.jpg

http://pictures.todocoleccion.net/tc/2009/09/20/15011958.jpg


Needless to say nothing more.

[Albion]

Date 14 August, 1385
Location Near Aljubarrota, central Portugal
Result Decisive victory for John of Portugal

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/AljubarrotaBattle.jpg

Belligerents:


Kingdom of Portugal
Kingdom of England




Crown of Castile
Kingdom of France
Aragonese allies
Italian allies



The Battle of Aljubarrota was a battle fought between the Kingdom of Portugal and the Crown of Castile on 14 August 1385. Forces commanded by King John I of Portugal and his general Nuno Álvares Pereira, with the support of English allies, opposed the army of King John I of Castile with its Aragonese, Italian and French allies at São Jorge place, between the towns of Leiria and Alcobaça, in central Portugal. The result was a decisive victory for the Portuguese, ruling out Castilian ambitions to the Portuguese throne, ending the 1383-1385 Crisis and assuring John as King of Portugal.

Portuguese independence was confirmed and a new dynasty, the House of Aviz, was established.



Along with its English allies who arrived on the 1385 passover, consisting of a company of about 100 English longbowmen, veterans from the Hundred Years War, sent to honor the 1373 alliance (presently the oldest active treaty in the world). The Portuguese set out to intercept the invading army near the town of Leiria. Nuno Álvares Pereira took the task of choosing the ground for the battle. The chosen location was São Jorge near Aljubarrota, in a small flattened hill surrounded by creeks, with the very small settlement of Chão da Feira (Fair's Ground) at its widest point, still present today.


Advancing uphill with the sun on their backs, squashed between the funnelling Portuguese defensive works and their own advancing rear, and under a heavy rain of English longbowmen's arrows fired from behind the Portuguese line and crossbow quarrels from both the Sweethearts' and the Honeysuckle wings on their flanks, the Castilians did their best to win the day. The Castilian knights on the main body were forced to dismount and break in half their unwieldy four metres-long lances in order to join the constricted melèe alongside their infantry.


By sunset, only one hour after the battle began, the Castilian position was indefensible and the situation quite desperate. When the Castilian royal standard-bearer fell, the already demoralized troops on the rear thought their King was dead and started to flee in panic; in a matter of moments this became a general rout where Juan of Castile himself had to run at full speed to save his life, leaving behind not only common soldiers but also many still dismounted noblemen. The Portuguese pursued them down the hill and, with the battle won, killed many more while there was still light enough to see the enemy.

[Aramis]

:confused:

England = Richard Lionheart

http://www.geneal.net/englandedwardking-1296cga.jpg

http://fotojks.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/london-richard_lionheart.jpg

[007]

Needless to say nothing more.

I never mentioned Robin Hood. I had in mind Crecy, Poitiers, Agincourt, the White Company and the English archers employed in Spain and Italy because lazy Meds wouldn't put in sufficient effort and training to master the mighty Warbow.

[Nglund]

:confused:

England = Richard Lionheart

http://www.geneal.net/englandedwardking-1296cga.jpg

http://fotojks.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/london-richard_lionheart.jpg

More like "Richard Cœur De Lion = Aquitaine", he barely settled in England, and his queen consort never went there. And this era isn't very representative of England anyway, English crusaders had white crosses at the time, no need to fly Saint George's flag and remind us of the Third Crusade with Richard the Chickenheart, froggies had our red cross at the time :(

[Beorn]

:confused:

England = Richard Lionheart



:disapproving
Englands = roobin Hood. and it is a myth... Not really a myth, but more a collection of local legends, historical characters, religious myths which were tidied up and lavished with lots of romanticism.

[007]

In May 1940, Mad Jack Churchill and his unit, the Manchester Regiment, ambushed a German patrol near L'Epinette, France. Churchill gave the signal to attack by cutting down the enemy Feldwebel (sergeant) with his barbed arrows, becoming the only known British soldier to have felled an enemy with a longbow in the course of the war...In July 1943, as commanding officer, he led 2 Commando from their landing site at Catania in Sicily with his trademark Claymore slung around his waist and a longbow and arrows around his neck and his bagpipes under his arm. This was again repeated at the landings at Salerno. :thumb001:

more here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill

[Albion]

http://www.dreamworks.com.au/images/plus_sign.png
Both men and women of England and the rest of Britain can achieve great deeds, just look at Boudicca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica)and her attempt to rid us of the Romans. Any women like that in Spain you want to tell us about?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Boudicca.jpg

But myself I prefer ol' Nelson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Lord_Nelson):

http://www.globalphotos.org/london/20041225/DSCN4115.jpg


Battle of Trafalgar

Location: Cape Trafalgar, Spain
Result: Decisive British victory

Belligerents:
United Kingdom V First French Empire and Spain

Strength:
UK:33 ships (27 ships of the line and 6 others.)

France and Spain: 41 ships (France: 18 ships of the line and 8 others. Spain: 15 ships of the line)

Casualties and losses:

UK:
458 killed
1,208 wounded
Total: 1,666

France:
10 ships captured,
1 ship destroyed,
2,218 dead,
1,155 wounded,
4,000 captured

Spain:
11 ships captured,
1,025 dead,
1,383 wounded,
4,000 captured

Combined French and Spanish total: 13,781

[Nglund]

Unable to even bend the mighty weapon a trifle with his weak, untrained muscles, he tosses it aside with a sneer, pretending to be too good for what he cannot use. Or perhaps he spent an afternoon exerting himself and had to stop when his fingers began to bleed and, sweating like a pig but still unable to bend the contraption, he vowed to go back to his peaceful siesta and dreams of glory. :D

Being an archer myself, training with a bow only develops your pecs :D
About the bleeding fingers part, not only your fingers I must say, but also the lower part of your arm if it's near the string, and I can assure you, if ever you get your skin torn off you're in for a gory while:icon_skull: (yeah, it did happen to me FYI, but the scars that are left on my arms are real medals :cool:!).

[Alvarado]

I never mentioned Robin Hood. I had in mind Crecy, Poitiers, Agincourt, the White Company and the English archers employed in Spain and Italy because lazy Meds wouldn't put in sufficient effort and training to master the mighty Warbow.

That crap about "lazy Meds" is unnecesary and unproductive.

There were also English and Scottish units in the Tercios:

RGTº ESCOCÉS DE SEMPILL: 1582 —1584

RGTº INGLÉS DE LORD WESTMORELAND: 1583 —1585

RGTº ESCOCÉS DE PATTON: 1588 —1589

RGTº INGLÉS DE BOSTOCK: 1599 —1603

Tº INGLÉS DE PARHAM: 1623 —1691

Tº INGLES DE GAGE: 1638 —1639

Tº INGLÉS DE NORRIS: 1645 —1645

Tº INGLÉS DE COBB: 1647 —1647

[Albion]

More like "Richard Cœur De Lion = Aquitaine", he barely settled in England, and his queen consort never went there. And this era isn't very representative of England anyway, English crusaders had white crosses at the time, no need to fly Saint George's flag and remind us of the Third Crusade with Richard the Chickenheart, froggies had our red cross at the time :(

Well the red cross and 3 lions are too entrenched to remove now. At least our flag is based on something, I get sick of seeing so many meaningless tri-colours in Europe, apparently each colour means something but to be honest its just a sh**y old design.
England's Christian cross is one of the last such flags applied to a nation (not counting the alteration - the Nordic cross). That makes it quite distinctive.

Its probably too late to go back to the white dragon, only English Nationalists associate with it or really know about it - ask an everyday Englishman on the street about a white dragon flag and he'll tell you the dragon on the Welsh flag is red. :rolleyes2:

And you may not realise it but the English cross of Saint George and 3 lions do have genuine meaning in the Welsh Marches, along the border towns its been seen as a symbol of "us" (English) as opposed to "them" (the Welsh).

Its most likely a crusader cross but I've seen it suggested as some sort of false flag, a flag which English merchants would fly to gain access to the markets of the Mediterranean since its basically the same as the flag of Genoa.
However I doubt this would have led to its take-up as a national symbol of England, false flags have been used all the time throughout history without other nations adopting the flag they're copying.

[Alvarado]

Both men and women of England and the rest of Britain can achieve great deeds, just look at Boudicca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica)and her attempt to rid us of the Romans. Any women like that in Spain you want to tell us about?

You should know it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/A_Coru%C3%B1a._Mar%C3%ADa_Pita%E2%80%99s_statue._G alicia_%28Spain%29.jpg/446px-A_Coru%C3%B1a._Mar%C3%ADa_Pita%E2%80%99s_statue._G alicia_%28Spain%29.jpg

María Mayor Fernández de Cámara y Pita (Sigrás, 1565 – 1643), known as María Pita, was a spanish heroine of the defense of La Coruña in 1589 against the English Armada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Pita

[Foxy]

This thread is 100% useless, I vote Indo-Europeans.

[Joe McCarthy]

This thread is 100% useless, I vote Indo-Europeans.

The superiority-inferiority of European peoples is no more equal than the races are. We can have a shared sense of identity and work together against alien threats, yet still think our individual nation or ethnicity is the best.

I rather doubt you honestly believe that the Romans were equal to, say, Albanians, after all...

[Tony]

IMHO Britons are superior but their superiority is wasted because of their modernist-individualist-bourgeois-utilitarian mindest.
Spaniards instead still retain a bit of pre-modernist way of thinking and that's good.

[Foxy]

The superiority-inferiority of European peoples is no more equal than the races are. We can have a shared sense of identity and work together against alien threats, yet still think our individual nation or ethnicity is the best.

I rather doubt you honestly believe that the Romans were equal to, say, Albanians, after all...

Some Roman Emperors were Albanians.... :rolleyes:
And being I fascist I know that Mussolini planned the romanization (or Italianization) of Albanians to make them 100% Italian and Albania 100% a developed country. We can collaborate, indeed, or continue to dispute.
By now the fact that Europeans like to dispute between each others is the crack of all the other nations.

[Joe McCarthy]

IMHO Britons are superior but their superiority is wasted because of their modernist-individualist-bourgeois-utilitarian mindest.
Spaniards instead still retain a bit of pre-modernist way of thinking and that's good.

Pre-modern backwardness is no virtue. It gets people run over by more advanced cultures.

Racialism, nationalism, imperialism, Darwinism - all of the virile things that made the modern West are products of modernism, not the Middle Ages. Indeed, the Age of Discovery is often said to have marked the beginning of the modern era.

[Wyn]

Well the red cross and 3 lions are too entrenched to remove now. At least our flag is based on something, I get sick of seeing so many meaningless tri-colours in Europe, apparently each colour means something but to be honest its just a sh**y old design.
England's Christian cross is one of the last such flags applied to a nation (not counting the alteration - the Nordic cross). That makes it quite distinctive.

Its probably too late to go back to the white dragon, only English Nationalists associate with it or really know about it - ask an everyday Englishman on the street about a white dragon flag and he'll tell you the dragon on the Welsh flag is red. :rolleyes2:

The Cross of St George is really the only flag that's ever meant anything to the English for a good period of time. A classic national symbol (fuck the white dragon shit, to be frank - England's national flag is too culturally and historically important to arse about with Anglo-Saxon symbols that even our great-grandparents' great-grandparents had never heard of).

[007]

That crap about "lazy Meds" is unnecesary and unproductive.

Yes, I should have used a better word. Something that conveys the idea of Meditteranean's being more relaxed and less stringent than the Northerners

[Joe McCarthy]

Some Roman Emperors were Albanians.... :rolleyes:


I'm talking about modern Albanians.

I think the basic attitude of Italian rightists to modern Albanians can be found in the attitude of people like Umberto Bossi.

'Pan-Europeanism' is an okay idea, but don't turn it into an exercise in self-delusion.

[Nglund]

Well the red cross and 3 lions are too entrenched to remove now. At least our flag is based on something, I get sick of seeing so many meaningless tri-colours in Europe, apparently each colour means something but to be honest its just a sh**y old design.
England's Christian cross is one of the last such flags applied to a nation (not counting the alteration - the Nordic cross). That makes it quite distinctive.

Its probably too late to go back to the white dragon, only English Nationalists associate with it or really know about it - ask an everyday Englishman on the street about a white dragon flag and he'll tell you the dragon on the Welsh flag is red. :rolleyes2:

And you may not realise it but the English cross of Saint George and 3 lions do have genuine meaning in the Welsh Marches, along the border towns its been seen as a symbol of "us" (English) as opposed to "them" (the Welsh).

Its most likely a crusader cross but I've seen it suggested as some sort of false flag, a flag which English merchants would fly to gain access to the markets of the Mediterranean since its basically the same as the flag of Genoa.
However I doubt this would have led to its take-up as a national symbol of England, false flags have been used all the time throughout history without other nations adopting the flag they're copying.

I agree, what I meant was that st.George's cross was in no way representing England during the Third Crusade.
I'm also tired of these sh*te' tricolours, but I'm rather glad European continentals got their feudal/royal/monarchic symbols erased by Napoleonic and French republican tricolours because in the end, we ended up being the only Western nation keeping symbols of Europe's medieval past. From the very moment France got rid of its old society, it realized it had to expand and take back the territories Carolus Magnus ('Charlemagne', "Pater Europae") once owned: because european monarchies were derived from Carolingian christendom.
Europe's 'identity' was being kept alive by the main country created by Charlemagne's sons, France; with french monarchy gone, the french were the only void in Europe, thus the need to influence the continent. The HRE (the 2nd "heirs" to Carolingian legacy) was now the main beacon of medieval Europe.
Things evolved after the Napoleonic wars, the french have more or less influenced central and western Europe with their republicanism. Britain became the last nation to bear medieval legacy, just look at Victoria and the Royal family, this was the time when Britain finally got to control 95% of other European monarchies.
So ultimately, I'm f*cking glad all that happened, the french made us unique, can you realize that? :p!!!!!

[Foxy]

Indeed I have never considered backwardness a symbol of superiority. Moreover the thread clearly says "which European RACE is superior", not culture nor nation. Are Brits a race and Spaniards an other??

[007]

Some Roman Emperors were Albanians.... :rolleyes:
And being I fascist I know that Mussolini planned the romanization (or Italianization) of Albanians to make them 100% Italian and Albania 100% a developed country. We can collaborate, indeed, or continue to dispute.
By now the fact that Europeans like to dispute between each others is the crack of all the other nations.

Don't worry, we would still fight alongside our Southern neighbours against the swarthy hordes. :thumbs up

[Foxy]

I'm talking about modern Albanians.

I think the basic attitude of Italian rightists to modern Albanians can be found in the attitude of people like Umberto Bossi.

'Pan-Europeanism' is an okay idea, but don't turn it into an exercise in self-delusion.

Umberto Bossi, sir, is an idiot and I don't support my countrymen who act like him. An Ottoman invasion is a nasty bang for every country, it was also for Albania. We have stereotypes but we don't consider them racially inferior. Moreover, Albanians in the past came to Italy to escape the Ottoman invasion and fought for the Kingdom of Sicily (at the time Italy was not united yet, but, in short, they fought for what it was at the time southern Italy).
People many times speak without knowing...

[Foxy]

Don't worry, we would still fight alongside our Southern neighbours against the swarthy hordes. :thumbs up

Define swarthy, becouse usually Southern Europeans are considered swarthy too by nordicists... -_- :puppy_dp:
Ps: will English fight alongside Irish too? (provocative question!!!)

[Alvarado]

Yes, I should have used a better word. Something that conveys the idea of Meditteranean's being more relaxed and less stringent than the Northerners

That's a rather subjective opinion.

[007]

Define swarthy, becouse usually Southern Europeans are considered swarthy too by nordicists... -_- :puppy_dp:
Ps: will English fight alongside Irish too? (provocative question!!!)

Well, they are darker than Nordics on average, but Southern Euros are still white, well, beige and far superior to wogs and A-rabs and suchlike.

The real question is; Will the Irish fight alongside the English? ;)

[Tony]

Pre-modern backwardness is no virtue. It gets people run over by more advanced cultures.
So how American Whites are being replaced in their own country by semi-idiot backwarderd negroes and hispanics??


Racialism, nationalism, imperialism, Darwinism - all of the virile things that made the modern West are products of modernism, not the Middle Ages. Indeed, the Age of Discovery is often said to have marked the beginning of the modern era.
I don't think so at all.
Modernism and all the things that go with it (feminism , the concept of "freedom" , civil rights , consumerism , peace etc) had weakened us , to begin with the most advanced states (say USA , UK , France) to end with the most recent ones (such as Spain Greece , the ex commi countries).
Way back I suppose people were tougher , otherwise how could we managed to colonize half the world?
Imagine Spain in her siglo de oro with the support of the atomic bomb , coupled with limpieza de sangre ideology.

We've got to get rid of modernism and merge technology with pre-modern anti-democratic values , something similar to what Guyllaume Faye has said , something called Archeo-Futurism.

[Joe McCarthy]

Umberto Bossi, sir, is an idiot and I don't support my countrymen who act like him. An Ottoman invasion is a nasty bang for every country, it was also for Albania. We have stereotypes but we don't consider them racially inferior. Moreover, Albanians in the past came to Italy to escape the Ottoman invasion and fought for the Kingdom of Sicily (at the time Italy was not united yet, but, in short, they fought for what it was at the time southern Italy).
People many times speak without knowing...

I'm not speaking of racial inferiority, so much as cultural inferiority. The former is too hard to establish with certainty for me to sign off on. As for Bossi, he is a successful nationalist politician. Who are you again?

Anyway, if you think this:

http://www.white-history.com/refuting_rm/romans/albanian_pack_animal.jpg

Is equal to this:

http://newsblog.aboutitaly.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/colosseum-from-the-top.jpg

Suit yourself.

[Joe McCarthy]

So how American Whites are being replaced in their own country by semi-idiot backwarderd negroes and hispanics??


That's a complicated question, but like anything so all pervasive, modernism has its drawbacks. Much of what you describe in your post is best dubbed post-modern anyway.

I don't revere the Middle Ages, though being a Comtean, I respect it. But I think Europeans who had to contend with Asiatic hordes like the Mongols would have appreciated modern weaponry. The age of heroism got Spain conquered by Muslims, the Balkans and much of Central Europe conquered by Muslims, most of Europe overrun by Huns, and the Mongols would have likely destroyed Europe had they not turned around.

I don't see that as a particularly enviable record, and it is due to modernism, capitalism, and industrialism that the West developed the weapons needed to surpass its rivals. Indeed, probably more than anything else, the Industrial Revolution left the Ottomans in the dust, thus lessening their threat.

[Foxy]

I'm not speaking of racial inferiority, so much as cultural inferiority. The former is too hard to establish with certainty for me to sign off on. As for Bossi, he is a successful nationalist politician. Who are you again?

Anyway, if you think this:

http://www.white-history.com/refuting_rm/romans/albanian_pack_animal.jpg

Is equal to this:

http://newsblog.aboutitaly.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/colosseum-from-the-top.jpg

Suit yourself.

No, well, Italy needed 5 days to defeat Albanians in 1939 :D But you know, we Italians are good people, we usually don't like to mistreat the others.
Albanians were also very loyal to Italians during the II WW.

[Beorn]

Its probably too late to go back to the white dragon It's not "too late", as it never was in the first place! The white dragon is a Welsh myth creation. Us English were fighting under golden Wyverns and red/green dragons and even red dragons. At the battle of Hastings, one should look at the banner our king fell beneath. It soon shuts up any notions of what ethnic Englishmen should and shouldn't have waving as their banner.
Ps: will English fight alongside Irish too? (provocative question!!!) We have been doing so for hundreds of years. I can't see why we shouldn't continue to do so.

[Arrow Cross]

Which European Race is Superior?
Tour de France.

[007]

It's not "too late", as it never was in the first place! The white dragon is a Welsh myth creation. Us English were fighting under golden Wyverns and red/green dragons and even red dragons. At the battle of Hastings, one should look at the banner our king fell beneath. It soon shuts up any notions of what ethnic Englishmen should and shouldn't have waving as their banner.

The Fighting Man banner, you mean?

[Beorn]

The Fighting Man banner, you mean?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/focuson/domesday/images/bayeux02.jpg
King Harold's spear is pointing right at it. Not to mention what colour of the banner his closest comrade is holding. :)

[Osweo]

Ps: will English fight alongside Irish too? (provocative question!!!)

Nowadays, many urban Englishmen have Irishness fighting inside them! Outsiders often have a strange understanding of Anglo-Irish relations. We don't HATE each other, you know!

(The best Irish always came to live here, anyway... ;))

[007]

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/focuson/domesday/images/bayeux02.jpg
King Harold's spear is pointing right at it. Not to mention what colour of the banner his closest comrade is holding. :)

Looks like a bulldog. :thumb001: The dragon sock banner is a good one as well

[Arrow Cross]

The Fighting Man banner, you mean?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/focuson/domesday/images/bayeux02.jpg


In true SI spirit:

http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/12735/original/Bayeuxtrap.jpg?1251486553

[Don]

I never mentioned Robin Hood. I had in mind Crecy, Poitiers, Agincourt, the White Company and the English archers employed in Spain and Italy because lazy Meds wouldn't put in sufficient effort and training to master the mighty Warbow.

What an stupid claim.

To master the sword are required years of training.

The longbows were usefull because a low caste villain could kill a noble caballero from the distance, just shoting hidden with other villains arrow after arrow, without even aiming, just blind shots to the battlefield. Ridiculous.

Talking about strenght?!
Seems someone here didn't ever tried to play with a Toledana for more than a minute and give a pair or two blows in the air.



No man of honor or a minimally mature one can defend the superiority of a bowman over a swordman. Senseless.


Nothing more lazy than a parasite, exploiting the discoveries and conquests and the resources from others. See here English piracy to spaniard discoveries and conquest.

I love the example of that coward rat called Drake, that example of inferiority, who dedicated his life to steal and parasite spaniard deeds, who only dared to circumnavigated after the spaniards did it... and the most surprising and explanatory fact is that...
some people value that specimen as a hero!!!
:p:p:p



About Boadicea... I'm convinced that she, as most of ancient british, was surely racially and culturally representative of the ancient spaniards.

So, no need to tell other examples of the many spaniard heroic women we had. The example of María Pita by Alvarado is enough and sufficient. And perfect for our discussion, now that you invoked them.

[Alvarado]

No man of honor or a minimally mature one can defend the superiority of a bowman over a swordman. Senseless.

Both were useful in times of war.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9913/battle5fe2d0wh0.jpg


By the way, Bernard Cornwell is a magnificent writer.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ysU2SHlC-4c/S-hjX_A-s7I/AAAAAAAAB30/S-oLez89buc/s1600/arquerodelreys.jpg

[Albion]

I love the example of that coward rat called Drake, that example of inferiority, who dedicated his life to steal and parasite spaniard deeds, who only dared to circumnavigated after the spaniards did it... and the most surprising and explanatory fact is that...
some people value that specimen as a hero!!!
:p:p:p


I don't think you understand, he's not so much a "hero", he's liked for annoying you guys in Spain. :D:rolleyes:

[Saruman]

An interesting topic, of course naturally most people are going to be partisan as usual and emotional. Both have accomplished a lot, but I think England has accomplished more than Spain. Nevertheless due to some, for Europe costly, actions that England has taken I have voted for Spain.

[Lábaru]

Perdonad si repito el post, pero antes fui demasiado sutil :)

English hero

Robin Hood, skilled archer.

Features. Attacks from a safe distance, hidden in the forest, he quickly run away when enemies are recovered from the shock, He has been seen fighting with wooden rods, he dress socks or tights "pantys" of inappropriate green silk.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_74Fj16-aWFo/TElqQbJ2NhI/AAAAAAAAKy8/jXu7yOqnxuc/s1600/robinhood4.jpg

His appearance is feminine, I personally prefer this Roobin de los bosques.

http://img.costumecraze.com/images/vendors/dreamgirl/4494-Sexy-Robin-Hood-Costume-large.jpg

Spain Hero (well, some of many)

Don Rodrigo Díaz, El Cid, Skilled two swords swordsman (one sword on each hand)

Features. extremely/aggressively male (ofensivamente/insultantemente masculino), always attacks face to face with his enemy, he prefers death to run away showing the back another man, often is seen riding a beatiful horse as and terrible deadly warrior, He always covered his masculine body of steel toledano.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GdF-OF1rVGE/TOG3fh_vQfI/AAAAAAAAAcY/AZ-S842OCvk/s1600/el%2Bcid.jpg



http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/imagen/espadas-cid/el-cid-campeador.gif



http://usuarios.multimania.es/angarmegia/MioCid.jpg

http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/imagen/espadas-cid/charlton-heston.jpg

Additional skills Can instill fear in the hearts of their enemies, even after death



A sword makes a true hero. Arches ... well, I guess they must exist in this poor world. xD

[Don]

I don't think you understand, he's not so much a "hero", he's liked for annoying you guys in Spain. :D:rolleyes:

Then he did a great job.
The dishonor, treachery and cowardice are very annoying traits for our ancient castes.

Sorry but I can't see no superiority in building an Empire at other expenses.

Piracy, go behind the Spaniards discoveries, conquests and circumnavigations, smelling their farts for being in the back, and other parasitatic behaviours and carroñerías are clearly traits of inferiority in the forced comparation to the one behind.

At least for my escala de valores.

Although, naturalists and ethologists admire a productive and succesfull opportunism of some species.

It depends on the viewer and his personal system of virtues.


http://www.elporvenir.com.mx/upload/foto/19/5/8/piratas%20somalies.jpg

http://www.euroxpress.es/img/Somali%20Pirates.jpg

http://www.loboalpha.com.ar/uimg_5/070307_Piratas-modernosART.jpg

http://www.elporvenir.com.mx/upload/foto/19/5/8/piratas%20somalies.jpg

http://somalifans.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/burcadbadeed1.jpg?w=439&h=217

http://www.armybase.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/suspected-somali-pirate-being-winched-aboard-the-spanish-navy-warship-the-marques-de-la-ensenada-on-may-6-2009-in-the-indian-ocean.jpg
At least in the old days we knew how to manage them.


«Ya estamos muy abatidos, porque los que nos han de honrar
nos desfavorecen. El solo nombre de español, que en
otro tiempo peleaba y con la reputación temblaba de él
todo el mundo, ya por nuestros pecados lo tenemos casi perdido...»

Agrupados en la borda del galeón, bajo la sombra de las grandes velas, soldados y marineros señalaban los cadáveres de los ingleses, muy lindamente colgados bajo los muros del castillo de Santa Catalina, o en horcas levantadas a lo largo de la orilla, en la linde de los viñedos que se asomaban al océano. Parecían racimos de uvas esperando la vendimia, con la diferencia de que a ellos los habían vendimiado ya.
-Perros -dijo Curro Garrote, escupiendo al mar.
-Han ajustado lo suyo -comentó alguien.
-Más lucido sería el cobro -apostilló Garrote- si nosotros llegáramos a tiempo.
Se le traspasaban las ganas de colgar él mismo algunos de aquellos racimos. Porque ingleses y holandeses habían venido sobre Cádiz una semana atrás, tan prepotentes y sobrados como solían, con ciento cinco naves de guerra y diez mil hombres, resueltos a saquear la ciudad, quemar nuestra armada en la bahía y apoderarse de los galeones de las flotas del Brasil y Nueva España, que estaban al llegar.
Su talante vino más tarde a contarlo el gran Lope de Vega en su comedia La moza de cántaro , con el soneto famoso:

Atrevióse el inglés, de engaño armado,
porque al león de España vio en el nido...

Y de esa manera había llegado el de Lexte, taimado, cruel y pirata como buen inglés -aunque los de su nación se adobaran siempre con fueros e hipocresía-, desembarcando mucha gente hasta rendir el fuerte del Puntal. En cuanto a Cádiz, a diferencia de lo que pasó treinta años antes cuando el saco de la ciudad por Essex, esta vez no lo quiso Dios: nuestra gente estaba puesta sobre las armas, la defensa fue reñida, y a los soldados de las galeras del duque de Fernandina se unieron los vecinos de Chiclana, Medina Sidonia y Vejer, amén de infantes, caballos y soldados viejos que por allí había; y con todo esto dieron tan recia brasa a los ingleses que se les estorbó con buena sangría el propósito. De manera que, tras sufrir mucho y no pasar de donde se hallaba, reembarcó Lexte a toda prisa, conocedor de que en lugar de la flota del oro y la plata de Indias, lo que venían eran nuestros galeones, seis barcos grandes y otras naves menores españolas y portuguesas -en ese tiempo compartíamos imperio y enemigos gracias a la herencia materna del gran Rey Felipe, el segundo Austria- todas con buena artillería, soldados de tercios reformados y veteranos con licencia, gente muy hecha al fuego en Flandes; que enterado nuestro almirante del suceso en Lisboa, forzaba el trapo para acudir a tiempo.
El caso es que ahora las velas herejes eran puntitos blancos en el horizonte. Las habíamos cruzado la tarde anterior, lejos, de vuelta a casa después de su intento fallido de repetir la fortuna del año noventa y seis, cuando ardió todo Cádiz y hasta los libros de las bibliotecas se llevaron. No deja de tener su gracia que los ingleses se alaben tanto por la derrota de la que llaman con ironía nuestra Invencible, y por lo de Essex y cosas como ésa; pero nunca traigan a colación las ocasiones en que a ellos les salió el cochino mal capado. Que si aquella infeliz España era ya un imperio en decadencia, con tanto enemigo dispuesto a mojar pan en la pepitoria y arrebañar los menudos, aún quedaban dientes y zarpas para vender cara la piel del viejo león, antes de que se repartieran el cadáver los cuervos y los mercaderes a quienes la doblez luterana y anglicana -el diablo los cría y ellos se juntan- permitió siempre conjugar sin embarazo el culto a un Dios de manga ancha con la piratería y el beneficio comercial; que entre herejes, ser ladrón devino siempre respetada arte liberal. De modo que, de creer a sus cronistas, los españoles guerreábamos y esclavizábamos por soberbia, codicia y fanatismo, mientras todos los demás que nos roían los zancajos, ésos saqueaban, traficaban y exterminaban en nombre de la libertad, la justicia y el progreso. En fin. Cosas veredes. De cualquier manera, lo que esta famosa jornada dejaban atrás los ingleses eran treinta naves perdidas en Cádiz, banderas humilladas y buen golpe de muertos en tierra, cosa de un millar, sin contar los rezagados y los borrachos que los nuestros ahorcaban sin misericordia en las murallas y en las viñas. Esta vez les había salido el tiro por el mocho del arcabuz, a los hideputas.

Arturo Pérez Reverte.

[Albion]

Don and co., I think you need to take this less seriously, its as if you're becoming obsessed and is getting rather silly now. Chill out a bit :):wavey001:

[Lábaru]

Don and co., I think you need to take this less seriously, its as if you're becoming obsessed and is getting rather silly now. Chill out a bit :):wavey001:

It's all a joke, man. I voted for the British / Irish and Germans on the same pull of the North, and to be honest, I would vote again double this time.

[007]

English hero

Robin Hood, skilled archer.

Features. Attacks from a safe distance, hidden in the forest, he quickly run away when enemies are recovered from the shock, He has been seen fighting with wooden rods,

It was the quarterstaff that the sailor used to smite numerous Spanish swordsmen until they were heartily glad to turn him loose.



he dress socks or tights "pantys" of inappropriate green silk.



Woollen hose, actually, nice and warm in chilly Northern winters.



Features. extremely/aggressively male (ofensivamente/insultantemente masculino), always attacks face to face with his enemy, he prefers death to run away showing the back another man, often is seen riding a beatiful horse

That's not all you can find him doing to the poor horse. Entirely too fond of the poor creature.


as and terrible deadly warrior, He always covered his masculine body of steel toledano.

Why, is he afraid of getting a booboo? Why does he hide from the enemy in this cowardly fashion?






A sword makes a true hero. Arches ... well, I guess they must exist in this poor world. xD

The mighty archer, after years and years of the most strenuous training, put the fear of God into the medieval knights of Europe and punctured their vanity along with their armour. That's why they splutter about the unfairness of the bow. "How dare these lowly unarmoured villeins overcome my expensive steel suit wherein I was hiding and prick my dainty skin with their barbs? Oy vey, this is so unfair!"

[Lábaru]

Woollen hose, actually, nice and warm in chilly Northern winters.


Nah nah, pamplinas, that is not made of wool , and no is warm in winter, is.... viciously ridicule for a man.

Look his legs.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_74Fj16-aWFo/TElqQbJ2NhI/AAAAAAAAKy8/jXu7yOqnxuc/s1600/robinhood4.jpg

Let's be honest, he's wearing....

http://www.disfracesycarnaval.com/fiestas-party-bromas/73-113-large/medias-verdes.jpg

Like this girls...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CMDX0s8NFh4/TObBE95_p-I/AAAAAAAAAlU/5Rh9JVb5Iw8/s1600/Shorts_flecos_medias_verdes.jpg

http://img.trendencias.com/2010/10/milly2.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CMDX0s8NFh4/TObAom1HmiI/AAAAAAAAAk8/hpvoi6z3cBA/s1600/Shorts_flecos_medias_verdes6.jpg

That's not serious ... os podemos prestar a Pelayo en señal de buena voluntad :)

[007]

Whatever Errol Flynn may have been wearing in that Hollyweird pic, the real heroic English archers of the medieval period wore woollen hose.

Now stop googling "Errol flynn in tights" or we'll start wondering about you :D

[Lábaru]

Now stop googling "Errol flynn in tights"

Robin Hood and his close friends, a picnic :D

http://clothesmonaut.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/robin-hood-errol-flynn.jpg

Depraved....

http://de.trinixy.ru/pics2/20071116/piter_pan_01.jpg

[007]

Depraved....

http://de.trinixy.ru/pics2/20071116/piter_pan_01.jpg

Looks rather dark. Probably from Southern Europe. :p

[Lábaru]

Looks rather dark. Probably from Southern Europe. :p

Now that you mention, is possible :) a gay Southern European who likes to wear the clothes of his sister, hair a little lighter and would be just as roobin hood! :D:D:D

[Nglund]

He's more of a Keltic-Nordid ninja-warrior than anything else;):


http://proofrok.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/robin_hood_memorial.jpg

http://lagene.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/robin-hood-costner_l.jpg

[Eliades]

I'm neither English or Spanish, so I have no bias towards either.

But, my vote has to go Spain.

[Lábaru]

I relive this thread to say that of course Roobin Hood is a great hero, we all know that it was all said with "humor" :)

¡Larga vida a los amigos de Inglaterra!

[themandylion]

There is only ONE European race. English and Spanish are ethnicities.

[Peasant]

Depraved....

http://de.trinixy.ru/pics2/20071116/piter_pan_01.jpg


This is 'Peter Pan' you liar.:mad:
http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/

[Don]

This is 'Peter Pan' you liar.:mad:
http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/

Another anglo stuff... :)

http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/Imagezz/peter_flies2_adj_680h.jpg

...


http://www.ganaderoslidia.com/webroot/images/torero.jpg

[Nglund]

:rofl:
:lmao
:dielaughing:

[Lusitanian]

I voted for Spain - I adore the country and the people and yes, their food is MUCH better than the English.

But Don your views on who the "Lions" were in the discovery of the world I disagree with - I think you'll find the Portuguese blazed a few trails before the Castilians...

[Don]

I voted for Spain - I adore the country and the people and yes, their food is MUCH better than the English.

But Don your views on who the "Lions" were in the discovery of the world I disagree with - I think you'll find the Portuguese blazed a few trails before the Castilians...

Yes, the portuguese were amazing explorers, but the castilians... plateau of Castilla is 100% inland, away from the sea, and even that, they overwhelmed any other nation in the seas, circumnavigating and daring to trespass the limits of the end of the world at the seas.
It is something to be considered, that people from inland, who never saw the sea, did that.

On the other hand, the portuguese, despite great explorers, lacked of the qualities -comparing to castilians- of warriors, adventurers and conquistadores, facts that gave to Spain the Empire.

By the way, after the spaniards, the portuguese ruled in the explorations of this planet, nobody can deny that.


...

There is a google map of explorations of humanity with little flags over each sea or region discovered by whom.

I can't find it, but if someone can, it will be very ilustrative. All that history about the spanish lake (Océano Pacífico), and that magic exploration era.

[Lusitanian]

Yes, the portuguese were amazing explorers, but the castilians... plateau of Castilla is 100% inland, away from the sea, and even that, they overwhelmed any other nation in the seas, circumnavigating and daring to trespass the limits of the end of the world at the seas.
It is something to be considered, that people from inland, who never saw the sea, did that.

On the other hand, the portuguese, despite great explorers, lacked of the qualities -comparing to castilians- of warriors, adventurers and conquistadores, facts that gave to Spain the Empire.

By the way, after the spaniards, the portuguese ruled in the explorations of this planet, nobody can deny that.


...

There is a google map of explorations of humanity with little flags over each sea or region discovered by whom.

I can't find it, but if someone can, it will be very ilustrative. All that history about the spanish lake (Océano Pacífico), and that magic exploration era.

We'll agree to disagree on the order of 1 and two on that ladder of exploration.

The Spaniards were awesome warriors, this is true. Your conquistadors destroyed the Maya and the Inca against overwhelming odds, but in the sea, we weren't slouches.

The Turkish banners hanging in the fortress of Tomar from the Battle of Diu will attest to that...

Either way - we are both Iberians and brothers.

[Sunray]

I've read this thread and other than a diversion into food - Spanish win - you can reduce the conversation to longbow v. sword. The phrase man to man suggests fighting with swords is somehow more courageous but the risks are the same. Very risky if you are fighting ze Germans and not as risky if fighting the Zulus. Yet different qualities are needed for the warrior with both weapons. Whilst those in sword combat are obvious with rifles and longbows you need to not get too worked up, to remain cold-eyed, calm and calculating whilst bullets whizz past you. Swordplay requires aggression, rifles require as much of this but finely controlled.

So England gets my vote.

[Lábaru]

This is 'Peter Pan' you liar.:mad:
http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/

I know but no one saw the difference xD

[Lábaru]

Either way - we are both Iberians and brothers.

Agree.

[Cedric]

Didnt the English pretty much end Spain as a global power?

I think this is a no brainer...



Further reading: U.S vs Mexico :)

[Magister Eckhart]

Didnt the English pretty much end Spain as a global power?

I think this is a no brainer...



Further reading: U.S vs Mexico :)

Don't speak too soon. The border-jumpers and barbarian invaders from the former Iberian colonies are slowly dismantling the US from the inside.

[Black Sun Dimension]

English ex-colonies are doing extremely well; Spanish ones, not so much.

My vote goes to England.

[Ibericus]

English ex-colonies are doing extremely well; Spanish ones, not so much.

My vote goes to England.
Yeah, because English colonies were white majority , while in spanish colonies the indians and mestizo were (and are) the vast majority.

[Black Sun Dimension]

I wish the english had colonized South America; the english were better colonizers, period.

[Rouxinol]

Estes sul-americanos dizem todos o mesmo. Deviam apodrecer... Ups, a apodrecer já eles estão!

[Ibericus]

I wish the english had colonized South America; the english were better colonizers, period.
Had the english colonzied South-America and you wouldn't exist today. :rolleyes:

[Falkata]

I wish the english had colonized South America; the english were better colonizers, period.

Dont complain. After all you have a native ruling your country. North american indians can´t say the same

[Black Sun Dimension]

Had the english colonzied South-America and you wouldn't exist today. :rolleyes:

By all means, lets not make this thread about "what if" and lets concentrate on actual history and current events.

I still love Spain, and probably 85% of my family is of spanish-descent; but let's not deny the history books, shall we?

[Falkata]

By all means, lets not make this thread about "what if" and lets concentrate on actual history and current events.

I still love Spain, and probably 85% of my family is of spanish-descent; but let's not deny the history books, shall we?

What? :confused:
The first half of the XX century Spain was poorer than many latin american countries. Your fall had nothing to do with us since most of Latin America was already independent 2 centuries ago.
It´s like if we claimed that Italy is guilty of our current unemployment because the romans colonized us.
Spaniards weren´t the ones who voted Gorillas like Chavez. You did it

[Sikeliot]

What? :confused:
The first half of the XX century Spain was poorer than many latin american countries.


And that's why most Latin Americans have significant Spanish ancestry.. I wish I knew statistics to back this up but I'd bet more Spaniards immigrated to the New World than any other European group, except possibly Portuguese.

[thetank]

well spain did conquer most of the new world but the english colonies are way more progressive

[Black Sun Dimension]

What?
The first half of the XX century Spain was poorer than many latin american countries. Your fall had nothing to do with us since most of Latin America was already independent 2 centuries ago.
It´s like if we claimed that Italy is guilty of our current unemployment because the romans colonized us.
Spaniards weren´t the ones who voted Gorillas like Chavez. You did it.

Im only stating that the english were better colonizers than the spaniards, and that both England and its former colonies have remained powerful throught present history; unfortunetly that has not been the case with Spain and its former colonies.

Hence me voting for England. But this is a satirical thread, so dont take it too seriously.

Chill.

[Sikeliot]

I said England too, simply for the fact that the United States and Canada are well-off countries and Barbados the most economically prosperous in the Caribbean, all British colonies.

With the exception of Argentina, I can't say the same for most of Spanish America.

Jamaica, though, is an exception and is a British ex-colony that is essentially backwards and corrupt.. so not all former English colonies are well off ;)

[Falkata]

Im only stating that the english were better colonizers than the spaniards, and that both England and its former colonies have remained powerful throught present history; unfortunetly that has not been the case with Spain and its former colonies.

Hence me voting for England. But this is a satirical thread, so dont take it too seriously.

Chill.

Jamaica was a former british colony and it´s worse than Venezuela and most of Latin America. Because there aren´t whites there but negros practicing vodoo lol
The difference is not the colonizer but the people who remains there.
Spanish colonies haven´t a white majority while the successful british ones have it.

[Black Sun Dimension]

Jamaica was a former british colony and it´s worse than Venezuela and most of Latin America. Because there aren´t whites there but negros practicing vodoo lol
The difference is not the colonizer but the people who remains there.
Spanish colonies haven´t a white majority while the successful british ones have it.

That's spanish fault for slacking and not bringing their women over to start families in the new world. :coffee:

[Rouxinol]

well spain did conquer most of the new world but the english colonies are way more progressive

Maybe they will not be anymore since you're massively immigrating there and taking over.

[Falkata]

That's spanish fault for slacking and not bringing their women over to start families in the new world. :coffee:

We were conquerors not tourists. Kill and rape like the vikings :thumbs up

[thetank]

Maybe they will not be anymore since you're massively immigrating there and taking over.

lol whatever man and plus i was born and raised in the U.S. so i never immigrated:rolleyes:

[Black Sun Dimension]

We were conquerors not tourists. Kill and rape like the vikings :thumbs up

Scandinavian countries and other germanic nations are doing well, regardless of their viking pillaging past.

Explain the disparity they have with Spain and the conquistadores.

[Falkata]

Scandinavian countries and other germanic nations are doing well, regardless of their viking pillaging past.

Explain the disparity they have with Spain and the conquistadores.

Those scandinavian countries were poor until the XX century specially Norway and Finland :)
Anyway the disparity between them and us is still lower than the disparity between Venezuela and Spain :D

[Black Sun Dimension]

Those scandinavian countries were poor until the XX century specially Norway and Finland :)

And so was Spain, in your own words.


Anyway the disparity between them and us is still lower than the disparity between Venezuela and Spain :D

That brings us back to my initial statement: British ex-colonies are light years ahead of the Spanish's, reinforcing the premise that the english were better colonizers.

[Sikeliot]

That brings us back to my initial statement: British ex-colonies are light years ahead of the Spanish's, reinforcing the premise that the english were better colonizers.

It's more to do with the people they left behind, rather than who did the colonizing.

[Rouxinol]

Scandinavian countries and other germanic nations are doing well, regardless of their viking pillaging past.

Explain the disparity they have with Spain and the conquistadores.

Read! Norway, for instance, has its status since its appropriation of oil and natural gas in the North Sea, which is exported... Until then it was mostly rural and undeveloped. Unfortunately oil is not everlasting. Maybe then they will rely more on cod exports to Portugal? Moreover, they have a population of less than 5 million. :thumb001:

[Black Sun Dimension]

It's more to do with the people they left behind, rather than who did the colonizing.

My point exactly: the spanish did a piss-poor job at colonizing, by going by the actual definition of the word colonization.

[Sikeliot]

My point exactly: the spanish did a piss-poor job at colonizing, if we are to look at it by the actual definition of the word.

Did the Spanish colonizers do a good job at setting up universities and educational institutions before their colonies were granted independence? If not, then you're exactly correct.

[Rouxinol]

On Finland:


In 1991 the Finnish economy fell into recession. This was caused by a combination of economic overheating, depressed markets with key trading partners (particularly the Swedish and Soviet markets) as well as local markets, slow growth with other trading partners, and the disappearance of the Soviet barter system. Stock market and housing prices declined by 50%.[12] The growth in the 1980s was based on debt, and when the defaults began rolling in, GDP declined by 13% and unemployment increased from a virtual full employment to one fifth of the workforce. The crisis was amplified by trade unions' initial opposition to any reforms. Politicians struggled to cut spending and the public debt doubled to around 60% of GDP.[12] Much of the economic growth in the 1980s was based on debt financing, and the debt defaults led to a savings and loan crisis. Total of over 10 billion euro were used to bail out failing banks, which led to banking sector consolidation.[13] After devaluations the depression bottomed out in 1993.

They only became "stronger" after joining the EU in 1995. Until then, nobody knew what Finland was like, except their neighbors. But now there's the "True Finns"... :lol:

[Black Sun Dimension]

Did the Spanish colonizers do a good job at setting up universities and educational institutions before their colonies were granted independence? If not, then you're exactly correct.

Compared to the english? I have no idea, but I'd like to know now that you bring up the question.

[Sikeliot]

Compared to the english? I have no idea, but I'd like to know now that you bring up the question.

Because here, many of today's most prominent American universities came to be before independence, such as Harvard and Brown, today amongst the most prestigious in the country.

[Black Sun Dimension]

Because here, many of today's most prominent American universities came to be before independence, such as Harvard and Brown, today amongst the most prestigious in the country.

Most Ivy League universities were founded before the American Independence took place.

In short, the british set up better institutions than the spanish.

[Sikeliot]

And then, as a result, other universities followed.

[Falkata]

And so was Spain, in your own words.



My own words? I said Spain was poor the first half of the XX century and not that we were poor until then. The Empire wasn´t exactly poor amigo :eek:

[Falkata]

Did the Spanish colonizers do a good job at setting up universities and educational institutions before their colonies were granted independence? If not, then you're exactly correct.

Spain founded many Universities. Including very old ones in the XVI century like in Santo Domingo or Lima

[Sikeliot]

Spain founded many Universities. Including very old ones in the XVI century like in Santo Domingo or Lima

In that case the problem is that most of the people in those countries don't have the means of attending them, or aren't intelligent enough to :lol: That would not be Spain's fault.

[Black Sun Dimension]

In that case the problem is that most of the people in those countries don't have the means of attending them, or aren't intelligent enough to :lol: That would not be Spain's fault.

Ivy League universities are/were super elitist, and are ranked among the best universities in the world.

[Sikeliot]

Ivy League universities are/were super elitist

An Ivy League school denied me. I know this, very well. ;)

[Comte Arnau]

The parallelism is stupid. The histories, reasons, dates, developments and endings of both colonizations are too different to be compared.

[Alvarado]

English ex-colonies are doing extremely well; Spanish ones, not so much.

Our former colonies are populated by things like you. What do you expect?

[Black Sun Dimension]

In short words, we can agree that the british set up better universities than the spanish. As you can see, it all adds up to my initial statement.

[Falkata]

In short words, we can agree that the british set up better universities than the spanish. As you can see, it all adds up to my initial statement.

We? :confused: How do you measure if some University in the XVII century was better than other?

[Pallantides]

Our former colonies are populated by things like you. What do you expect?

He is a thing?:confused:

Have you no manners or honor?