Osweo
12-24-2010, 03:38 AM
Reading this ever so slightly over-enthusiastic little article;
http://odinicriteofaustralia.wordpress.com/odinism-in-the-border-ballads/
I read the following;
In their isolated fastnesses the borderers kept alive many elements of an earlier Anglo-Saxon culture that had been suppressed elsewhere. It is no coincidence that the only Odinist song known from the Anglo-Saxon pre-Christian era, Teribus, survived in precisely this region.
:eek:
WTF? I said to myself. What's he on about?! So I went looking...
Here's the tune at least
B3rw4I64Hx8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3rw4I64Hx8&feature=related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teribus_ye_teri_odin
Teribus ye teri odin or teribus an teriodin ([ˈtirɪbəs ən ˈtiri ˈodɪn]) is popularly believed to have been the war cry of the men of Hawick at the Battle of Flodden Field,[1] and still preserved in the traditions of the town.[2] The full chorus of the Border ballad Teribus ye teri odin is often sung at festive gatherings, not only in the gallant old border town itself, but in the remotest districts of Canada, the United States and Australia, wherever Hawick men ("Teris"), and natives of the Scottish Border congregated to keep up the remembrance of their native land, and haunts of their boyhood.[3]
"Teribus ye teri odin
Sons of heroes slain at Flodden
Imitating Border bowmen
Aye defend your rights and common"
The full version of the Border ballad written by James Hogg in 1819,[4] which replaced an earlier one by Arthur Balbirnie used a generation earlier,[5][6] is still sung at the Hawick Common Riding in June of every year.
Okay. So far, so good...
then;
Attempts have been made to connect the phrase teribus an teriodin with the names of the Scandinavian and Norse gods, Thor and Odin from the Old English Týr hæbbe us, e Týr e Oðinn "May [the god] Tyr keep us, both Tyr and Odin", an unlikely explanation since the gods' names are given in their Old Norse forms, not the Old English Tiw and Wodan and the normal phonological development would not result in the modern pronunciation, apart from that, the survival of a supposed Old English sentence in its near original form for more than 700 years is barely conceivable.[7]
:eek: WHAT?!?! :rolleyes2:
Charles Mackay described the ballad, of which these mysterious words form the burden, is one of patriotic "defence and defiance" against foreign invaders and suggested that the phrase is a corruption, or phonetic rendering, of the Scottish Gaelic "Tìr a buaidh, 's tìr a dìon" meaning "Land of victory & land of defence".[8]
:chin: Perhaps...
It has also been suggested that the phrase is a series of vocables imitating the sound of a march played on drums and bagpipes.[9]
:thumb001: Gets my vote!
Alistair Moffat suggests in Arthur and the Lost Kingdoms (1999) that the phrase was originally the Welsh "Tir y Bas y Tir y Odin," meaning "The Land of Death, the Land of Odin".
I know several people here, including myself, have spent good money on Moffat's books. I was pretty dissatisfied with the one I got 'Sea Kingdoms', seeing it as shoddy anti-English Celtomaniac nonsense, but THIS really underlines the man's IDIOCY. :tsk:
References to the "war cry" teribus an teriodin do not appear much before the early 19th century.[9]
:ohwell:
http://odinicriteofaustralia.wordpress.com/odinism-in-the-border-ballads/
I read the following;
In their isolated fastnesses the borderers kept alive many elements of an earlier Anglo-Saxon culture that had been suppressed elsewhere. It is no coincidence that the only Odinist song known from the Anglo-Saxon pre-Christian era, Teribus, survived in precisely this region.
:eek:
WTF? I said to myself. What's he on about?! So I went looking...
Here's the tune at least
B3rw4I64Hx8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3rw4I64Hx8&feature=related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teribus_ye_teri_odin
Teribus ye teri odin or teribus an teriodin ([ˈtirɪbəs ən ˈtiri ˈodɪn]) is popularly believed to have been the war cry of the men of Hawick at the Battle of Flodden Field,[1] and still preserved in the traditions of the town.[2] The full chorus of the Border ballad Teribus ye teri odin is often sung at festive gatherings, not only in the gallant old border town itself, but in the remotest districts of Canada, the United States and Australia, wherever Hawick men ("Teris"), and natives of the Scottish Border congregated to keep up the remembrance of their native land, and haunts of their boyhood.[3]
"Teribus ye teri odin
Sons of heroes slain at Flodden
Imitating Border bowmen
Aye defend your rights and common"
The full version of the Border ballad written by James Hogg in 1819,[4] which replaced an earlier one by Arthur Balbirnie used a generation earlier,[5][6] is still sung at the Hawick Common Riding in June of every year.
Okay. So far, so good...
then;
Attempts have been made to connect the phrase teribus an teriodin with the names of the Scandinavian and Norse gods, Thor and Odin from the Old English Týr hæbbe us, e Týr e Oðinn "May [the god] Tyr keep us, both Tyr and Odin", an unlikely explanation since the gods' names are given in their Old Norse forms, not the Old English Tiw and Wodan and the normal phonological development would not result in the modern pronunciation, apart from that, the survival of a supposed Old English sentence in its near original form for more than 700 years is barely conceivable.[7]
:eek: WHAT?!?! :rolleyes2:
Charles Mackay described the ballad, of which these mysterious words form the burden, is one of patriotic "defence and defiance" against foreign invaders and suggested that the phrase is a corruption, or phonetic rendering, of the Scottish Gaelic "Tìr a buaidh, 's tìr a dìon" meaning "Land of victory & land of defence".[8]
:chin: Perhaps...
It has also been suggested that the phrase is a series of vocables imitating the sound of a march played on drums and bagpipes.[9]
:thumb001: Gets my vote!
Alistair Moffat suggests in Arthur and the Lost Kingdoms (1999) that the phrase was originally the Welsh "Tir y Bas y Tir y Odin," meaning "The Land of Death, the Land of Odin".
I know several people here, including myself, have spent good money on Moffat's books. I was pretty dissatisfied with the one I got 'Sea Kingdoms', seeing it as shoddy anti-English Celtomaniac nonsense, but THIS really underlines the man's IDIOCY. :tsk:
References to the "war cry" teribus an teriodin do not appear much before the early 19th century.[9]
:ohwell: