Albanian Y-DNA Project

[Catholic Riffs]

This project will be an attempt to map out the genetic paternal lines, or Y-DNA haplogroups, of the Albanian tribes or clans (which many have an oral tradition of common decent from one man). South Albanians are also included here but the focus is mainly Ghegs who belong to a tribe. Nonetheless all Albanians are free to join the project, as well as people of Arberesh or Arvanite direct paternal ancestry.

I am not an Administrator of this project, that would be user Trojet and Skerdilaid.



What is a Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) STR test? What will I learn?
From Family Tree DNA: "A Y-DNA test looks at male inherited Y-Chromosome DNA. As the Y-Chromosome is passed on from a father to his sons, it is only found in males. Y-DNA testing can then be used to trace clearly a direct paternal line. When testing the Y-Chromosome, there are two types of tests, short tandem repeat (STR) and single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP). STR tests are best for recent ancestry while SNP tests tell about more ancient ancestry. Our standard Y-DNA panels use STRs and are useful in verifying common ancestry between two males and finding genetic cousins on the paternal line. However, each of our Y-DNA STR tests comes with a haplogroup prediction that is backed by our SNP Assurance policy. Y-DNA STR tests can also then be used for determining geographic origins of the direct paternal line as well as the deep ancestral origins"


Links:

Official web page of the Albanian Bloodlines Project at ftdna:
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/albanian-bloodlines/about/results

Gjenetika:
http://www.gjenetika.com/info/

Foleja forum:
http://www.foleja.net

[DRUM]

too bad old thread is gone

[Catholic Riffs]

New result:

Krasniqi (Blakaj brotherhood). From Vrellë, Istog, Kosova.

Haplogroup: E1b-V13

Tested on ftDNA, Y111.

Matches closely to The Illyrian Warrior, 5 out of 37 marker difference.

[Wrong]

It is not right.

The 1 J2b1 sample must be removed from project... Disturbing the order...

[The Illyrian Warrior]

New result:

Krasniqi (Blakaj brotherhood). From Vrellë, Istog, Kosova.

Haplogroup: E1b-V13

Tested on ftDNA, Y111.

Matches closely to The Illyrian Warrior, 5 out of 37 marker difference.

Interesting, we both belong to a group who are not cluster identified yet.

PS. He's only one match I got with 25 markers.

[Kriptc06]

Is a random V13 allowed to join? I tested 67 markers. I believe I am E-Z5018+

[Catholic Riffs]

Is a random V13 allowed to join? I tested 67 markers. I believe I am E-Z5018+

I'm not quite sure, I think it is strictly for people who have Albanian ancestry (including Arvanites and Arberesh).

I will contact one of the admins, because I believe we used to have a Guest role.

[Herr Abubu]

I'm not quite sure, I think it is strictly for people who have Albanian ancestry (including Arvanites and Arberesh).

I will contact one of the admins, because I believe we used to have a Guest role.

We Already Allow Serbs Why Not Brazilians.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Is a random V13 allowed to join? I tested 67 markers. I believe I am E-Z5018+

You could but this project targets specifically those who have known Albanian origin, you do not however.

[Kriptc06]

You could but this project targets specifically those who have known Albanian origin, you do not however.

ok :/

[Albobalboa]

We Already Allow Serbs Why Not Brazilians.

Are those Serbs that claim Albanian heritage, or just Serbs in general?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Are those Serbs that claim Albanian heritage, or just Serbs in general?

I don't see any serbs there, only a croat (Lizatović) and a fallen Albanian Avdovic - a sanxhaki montenigga.

[Herr Abubu]

Are those Serbs that claim Albanian heritage, or just Serbs in general?

Serb-Albanian mixed.

[Ylla]

Elshani from Prizren is I2a??

I think my father's clade is E-V13>S2979>L241 (Gashi - Bardhë), I want to test it.

[Dick]

The 3 under "I1...M253>?" are I-P109 subclade judging by the markers btw.

[Kelmendasi]

The 3 under "I1...M253>?" are I-P109 subclade judging by the markers btw.
Two of them are I1-Z63, only one of them is P109 from what I can tell

[Skerdilaid]

Elshani from Prizren is I2a??

I think my father's clade is E-V13>S2979>L241 (Gashi - Bardhë), I want to test it.

Yes, do you know them? Do it already lol

[Ylla]

Yes, do you know them? Do it already lol

Yes I know them well, I'm not sure which test to do?

[Skerdilaid]

Yes I know them well, I'm not sure which test to do?

Interesting. Get YDNA37 from here, $20 cheaper: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?group=AlbanianBloodlines&code=B11086

[Catholic Riffs]

Five new results from 23andme:


1) Shkreli, from Këllezne e Poshtme, Ulçin.
Halpogoup: R1b-L23

2) Triesh (or Triepshi), brotherhood Bënkaj, from Trieshi in Malsia.
Haplogroup: R1b-L23

3) Krasniqi, from Prishtina (origins in Medvegja).
Haplogroup: R1b-L23

4) Hoti, Gjonaj brotherhood, from Hoti i Vendit, Plavë - Guci.
Haplogroup: J2b2-M241

5) Gashi, from Northern Mitrovica.
Haplogroup: J2b2-M241

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Five new results from 23andme
5) Gashi, from Northern Mitrovica.
Haplogroup: J2b2-M241

Who's this guy? I'm really interested to know as we both come from same place.....Any more info about him?

[Kelmendasi]

Interesting. Get YDNA37 from here, $20 cheaper: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?group=AlbanianBloodlines&code=B11086
Yseq alpha-beta is also a great choice imo, it's an equivalent of Y37 but $64 cheaper lol

[Skerdilaid]

Yseq alpha-beta is also a great choice imo, it's an equivalent of Y37 but $64 cheaper lol

Yes, for poor people like you and me bro. However, for her money is not an issue so stay on topic :p

[Skerdilaid]

because you're roots are Dacians.

Average Pure Dacian Romanians had E-V13.

Get out of here, bro

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Yes, for poor people like you and me bro. However, for her money it's not an issue so stay on topic :p

True, she can buy Loki's forum if she feels need to......You two are not that poor stop complaining you emigrants, you don't know what poor is until you live in Kosova, have some compassion for me and KrashNick for fuck sake. :D

[Kelmendasi]

Yes, for poor people like you and me bro. However, for her money is not an issue so stay on topic :p
Hahahahahahaha nigga broke af cuz xD

[Kelmendasi]

True, she can buy Loki's forum if she feels need to......You two are not that poor stop complaining you emigrants, you don't know what poor is until you live in Kosova, have some compassion for me and KrashNick for fuck sake. :D
Hahahaha xD, jesus christ this shit got me laughing xD

[Wrong]

Five new results from 23andme:


1) Shkreli, from Këllezne e Poshtme, Ulçin.
Halpogoup: R1b-L23

2) Triesh (or Triepshi), brotherhood Bënkaj, from Trieshi in Malsia.
Haplogroup: R1b-L23

3) Krasniqi, from Prishtina (origins in Medvegja).
Haplogroup: R1b-L23

4) Hoti, Gjonaj brotherhood, from Hoti i Vendit, Plavë - Guci.
Haplogroup: J2b2-M241

5) Gashi, from Northern Mitrovica.
Haplogroup: J2b2-M241
Bronze-Age rich...

[Catholic Riffs]

Dacians and Illyrians were connected. Proto-Dacians and Proto-Illyrians were probably the same people.

Don't spam my thread.

Get tested or fuck off!!!

[Herr Abubu]

Idiot Is Who Thumbs Me Down.

[Catholic Riffs]

Fucking spammer!!

[Catholic Riffs]

Idiot Is Who Thumbs Me Down.

Idiot Is Who Dont Thumb Down Laberintis

[Lavrentis]

Idiot Is Who Thumbs Me Down.

I'm an idiot

[Herr Abubu]

I'm an idiot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/227479079140458511/368141251431759872/koZ4-u1xSnC8VxzTKwAi1Q.png

[Herr Abubu]

Idiot Is Who Dont Thumb Down Laberintis

Correctly Said Brother. Wise Man.

[Herr Abubu]

Your life is so shit that you would post this quote whenever you want to mention me. "Hahahaahahha Lavrentis said that he is an idiot hahahaahahha"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/227479079140458511/368141251431759872/koZ4-u1xSnC8VxzTKwAi1Q.png

[Catholic Riffs]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/227479079140458511/368141251431759872/koZ4-u1xSnC8VxzTKwAi1Q.png

HAHAAHHAHHAHAHAHA

[Skerdilaid]

True, she can buy Loki's forum if she feels need to......You two are not that poor stop complaining you emigrants, you don't know what poor is until you live in Kosova, have some compassion for me and KrashNick for fuck sake. :D

Jesus bro qysh nuk ta rroki edhe ty hiç, e me te qite ne selamet xD

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Kjo teme shkoj per lesh.


Jesus bro qysh nuk ta rroki edhe ty hiç, e me te qite ne sallamadi xD

Ca me ba edhe une i ngrati qe kurre smu ka da kjo hjek e shkrete e kurre sdo mu mu da. :D

[Diocleatian204]

Hahahahahahaha nigga broke af cuz xD

stop saying Nigga, it is Vulgar af. only black people say nigga and for you saying nigga, you would be beaten up.

[Catholic Riffs]

New results from 23andme:

Kastrat, from Bajzë, Malsia.
Haplogroup: J2b2-M241

Gashi, from Krushë e Vogel, Kosova.
Haplogroup: J2b2-M241

[Kouros]

What if I might have Arvanite ancestry?

Can I join my fellow E3b master race Albanian brethren on their quest for ethno-genetic mapping?

[Catholic Riffs]

What if I might have Arvanite ancestry?

Can I join my fellow E3b master race Albanian brethren on their quest for ethno-genetic mapping?

only if you belong to our clusters, which is possible since youre greek

[Wrong]

This. Wisely Saided.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=7471&dateline=1504527428
^ This Wise Man Was J2b2.

[Ujku]

Wrong.

What do you mean?

[Dibran]

I had less than 70 thumb downs o rot kari. That Romanian pithkurve gave me 1.3k thumb downs in a night.
You should test. It's become increasingly affordable now. Even a basic test would suffice for general placement. And then you can go from their and upgrade. I'm doing fullgenomes Yelite but I ordered y37/y67 to see if I have matches in the meantime.

It's really interesting. Family oral history only takes you so far.

[Catholic Riffs]

You should test. It's become increasingly affordable now. Even a basic test would suffice for general placement. And then you can go from their and upgrade. I'm doing fullgenomes Yelite but I ordered y37/y67 to see if I have matches in the meantime.

It's really interesting. Family oral history only takes you so far.

he said before its not that he cant afford testing, but hes scared that hes getting a slavic or gypsy haplo, so basically the reason he hasnt tested is because hes a fucking braindead pussy basically

[Wrong]

he said before its not that he cant afford testing, but hes scared that hes getting a slavic or gypsy haplo, so basically the reason he hasnt tested is because hes a fucking braindead pussy basically
He is kompleks...

[Skerdilaid]

Mods, please clean at least the last two pages of this thread. Keep it civil guys.

[Dibran]

he said before its not that he cant afford testing, but hes scared that hes getting a slavic or gypsy haplo, so basically the reason he hasnt tested is because hes a fucking braindead pussy basically

Oh, I see. In that case it is a little silly. It shouldn't really matter. Obviously if his ancestor was a Slav or gypsy they made the right choice by becoming Albanian 😂.

[Ujku]

Oh, I see. In that case it is a little silly. It shouldn't really matter. Obviously if his ancestor was a Slav or gypsy they made the right choice by becoming Albanian ��.

I don't have gypsy blood ffs....slav might but not gypsy.

[Dibran]

I don't have gypsy blood ffs....slav might but not gypsy.

Well then, take a test and find out. Guessing doesn't bring you any closer to the truth. Regardless, so what if your ancestor was a gypsy? They are people to. Besides, a man is measured by his character and his balls, not by things like "ethnic blood". If you're afraid to find out what your ancestor was, then you're not secure within yourself. I'm doing Yelite right now to find my specific branch. For all I know my ancestor could have been a Byzantine slav. Really doesn't matter thoUgh because that's well over a thousand years ago. People move around. People change. Half of us Albanians outside Albania will probably loose the language in a few generations. Shit changes. We have no control over the past anymore than we do the future.

[Ujku]

Well then, take a test and find out. Guessing doesn't bring you any closer to the truth. Regardless, so what if your ancestor was a gypsy? They are people to. Besides, a man is measured by his character and his balls, not by things like "ethnic blood". If you're afraid to find out what your ancestor was, then you're not secure within yourself. I'm doing Yelite right now to find my specific branch. For all I know my ancestor could have been a Byzantine slav. Really doesn't matter thoUgh because that's well over a thousand years ago. People move around. People change. Half of us Albanians outside Albania will probably loose the language in a few generations. Shit changes. We have no control over the past anymore than we do the future.

lol , I'm not afraid just not really interested..

[Dibran]

lol , I'm not afraid just not really interested..

That's an excuse. Take the test and then you will have certainty. In an age of information, ignorance is a choice.

[Ujku]

That's an excuse. Take the test and then you will have certainty. In an age of information, ignorance is a choice.

You are more interested for me to do it that i am lol.

[Dibran]

You are more interested for me to do it that i am lol.

Honestly I do not care. But you shouldn't participate in genetics discussions if you don't care. Especially when you don't even know.

[Catholic Riffs]

Two new results from 23andme:

Mati, from Burrel, Mat.
Haplogroup R1b-L23
(This person has said that they are one tribe/clan with Zogollet e Burgajetit, with the family of King Zog)

Mirdita, from Beci, Gjakovë.
Halpogroup: J2b2 J-M241

[Kelmendasi]

Mati, from Burrel, Mat.
Haplogroup R1b-L23
(This person has said that they are one tribe/clan with Zogollet e Burgajetit, with the family of King Zog)

Mirdita, from Beci, Gjakovë.
Halpogroup: J2b2 J-M241
Are these 23andme results? It's a shame how a lot of our results are from 23andme which doesn't really show much about the actual clade. I am going to test my mothers father side in a few weeks or so, they are from Dibra and close to the J2b2-Y23094 guy so I am assuming they are either J2b2-Y23094 or R1b but they also could be E-V13 or I1

[Catholic Riffs]

Are these 23andme results? It's a shame how a lot of our results are from 23andme which doesn't really show much about the actual clade. I am going to test my mothers father side in a few weeks or so, they are from Dibra and close to the J2b2-Y23094 guy so I am assuming they are either J2b2-Y23094 or R1b but they also could be E-V13 or I1

Yeah they are from 23andme, I forgot to put that in.

I always look forward to dibran results, the albanians there were cool ;)

[Herr Abubu]

Honestly I do not care. But you shouldn't participate in genetics discussions if you don't care. Especially when you don't even know.

How Can U Even Discuss Haplos If U Dont Have One. What An Hypocrit.

[Trojet]

Are these 23andme results? It's a shame how a lot of our results are from 23andme which doesn't really show much about the actual clade. I am going to test my mothers father side in a few weeks or so, they are from Dibra and close to the J2b2-Y23094 guy so I am assuming they are either J2b2-Y23094 or R1b but they also could be E-V13 or I1

Yup, they are 23andMe testers. It's a waste of money as far as Y-DNA research goes, IMO. And unfortunately, many people who test there, don't bother testing at FTDNA or YSEQ, that our project is based on.

We don't use 23andMe results in our project database. They are only used as a reference for Northern Tribes.

[Dibran]

How Can U Even Discuss Haplos If U Dont Have One. What An Hypocrit.

To each their own I guess.

[Dibran]

Yup, they are 23andMe testers. It's a waste of money as far as Y-DNA research goes, IMO. And unfortunately, many people who test there, don't bother testing at FTDNA or YSEQ, that our project is based on.

We don't use 23andMe results in our project database. They are only used as a reference for Northern Tribes.


Sadly it is because most people are laymen and they seek to wet their fancy without really going down the rabbit hole. My Y67 is testing now. I'm already joined as well. Pretty excited to see if it confirms LivingDNA placement. We know we were in Diber for at least 400 years. We assume we migrated from Mirdita before that(according to oral history). I'm hoping some things will make sense. Though I imagine if I have no matches it will be more of a mystery.

[Kelmendasi]

Sadly it is because most people are laymen and they seek to wet their fancy without really going down the rabbit hole. My Y67 is testing now. I'm already joined as well. Pretty excited to see if it confirms LivingDNA placement. We know we were in Diber for at least 400 years. We assume we migrated from Mirdita before that(according to oral history). I'm hoping some things will make sense. Though I imagine if I have no matches it will be more of a mystery.
I was doing some research on the region of Diber that we are from so that I can find out some info on my mothers side and I found out about a man called Elez Koci from Ostren i madh who was an Albanian who fought off the Serb invasions in 1915 which were very violent and my mothers village was burned to the ground at one point by Serbs, so I was wondering if you are related to him? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elez_Ko%C3%A7i

[Dibran]

I was doing some research on the region of Diber that we are from so that I can find out some info on my mothers side and I found out about a man called Elez Koci from Ostren i madh who was an Albanian who fought off the Serb invasions in 1915 which were very violent and my mothers village was burned to the ground at one point by Serbs, so I was wondering if you are related to him? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elez_Ko%C3%A7i

Yes, as far as I understand from my father he is a distant cousin of the same stock. We are also related to Gezim Ostreni. My paternal grandmother is descendant of Selman Stafa who killed the Governor of Shkodra.

[Kelmendasi]

Yes, as far as I understand from my father he is a distant cousin of the same stock. We are also related to Gezim Ostreni. My paternal grandmother is descendant of Selman Stafa who killed the Governor of Shkodra.
There seems to be many Koci from Dibra who fell in battle when fighting off the Serbs, seems like a patriot fis ;). Can you list the surnames of the families in Dibra which you are related to so that I can see where our relation comes from?

[Dibran]

There seems to be many Koci from Dibra who fell in battle when fighting off the Serbs, seems like a patriot fis ;). Can you list the surnames of the families in Dibra which you are related to so that I can see where our relation comes from?

Yea. I'm proud of them. Those are their deeds however. I am more directly related to Sul Koci who fought against Mahmut Pasha after the battle of Hajredin Pasha. My great great grandfather Imer Koci fought in the battle with his brother Sul. They won, but Sul died in the battle.

The surnames that I know are more directly Stafa Biba and Lika which we are related in Diber by blood. I texted my uncle who was well grown during my grandfathers time so he would know more of the families. Waiting for his respOnes.

[Kelmendasi]

Yea. I'm proud of them. Those are their deeds however. I am more directly related to Sul Koci who fought against Mahmut Pasha after the battle of Hajredin Pasha. My great great grandfather Imer Koci fought in the battle with his brother Sul. They won, but Sul died in the battle.

The surnames that I know are more directly Stafa Biba and Lika which we are related in Diber by blood. I texted my uncle who was well grown during my grandfathers time so he would know more of the families. Waiting for his respOnes.
My mothers maiden name was Mali whilst they are related to the Ceta(mothers maternal grandfathers fis who were up until recently Catholics which is sorta rare in Dibra), Tupi(Mothers maternal grandmothers maiden name) and Lloshi(Mothers paternal grandmothers maiden name)

[Dibran]

My mothers maiden name was Mali whilst they are related to the Ceta(mothers maternal grandfathers fis who were up until recently Catholics which is sorta rare in Dibra), Tupi(Mothers maternal grandmothers maiden name) and Lloshi(Mothers paternal grandmothers maiden name)


Interesting. I will let you know what my uncle responds with. Maybe one of these are the branches. Though I think it said we were 5 generations back. So generationally speaking one out of 32 possible grandparents links us. We might not know for certain until genetics gets even crazier in its accuracy. I know with the Lika, my paternal grandmother was a great grand daughter of the Lika. My great grandfather had blood feuds with Lika. They helped them a few times when injustice was done to them. We also had renegade branches of Koci's who wanted my grandfathers land. They conspired with Lika many times to try and overtake us. We still have the land and the deed.

[Kelmendasi]

Interesting. I will let you know what my uncle responds with. Maybe one of these are the branches. Though I think it said we were 5 generations back. So generationally speaking one out of 64 possible grandparents links us. We might not know for certain until genetics gets even crazier in its accuracy. I know with the Lika, my paternal grandmother was a great grand daughter of the Lila. My great grandfather had blood feuds with Lika. They helped them a few times when injustice was done to them. We also had renegade branches of Koci's who wanted my grandfathers land. They conspired with Lika many times to try and overtake us. We still have the land and the deed.
Idk the surnames which I mentioned weren't from Okshtun or Ostren like the Koci but they are from Fushe-Stude(Tupi), Zabzun(Lloshi) and Borove(Mali and Ceta)

[Laberia]

Idk the surnames which I mentioned weren't from Okshtun or Ostren like the Koci but they are from Fushe-Stude(Tupi), Zabzun(Lloshi) and Borove(Mali and Ceta)

Tupi, Fushë Studë? Lloshi, Gjini, Zabzun.

[Kelmendasi]

Tupi, Fushë Studë? Lloshi, Gjini, Zabzun.
Yh, why do you recognize the surname?

[Laberia]

Yh, why do you recognize the surname?

Here you have a Lloshi:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?204260-Classify-this-Albanian-linguist-abd-where-he-can-pass-Xhevat-Lloshi

[Dibran]

Idk the surnames which I mentioned weren't from Okshtun or Ostren like the Koci but they are from Fushe-Stude(Tupi), Zabzun(Lloshi) and Borove(Mali and Ceta)

Ahh. I see. I match some Montenegrins and Albanians from Montenegro. The Selimaj for one which surprisingly know a couple that I used to hang out with. Probably through my moms line as her father is from Puka and mother originally from Shkodra.

[Kelmendasi]

Here you have a Lloshi:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?204260-Classify-this-Albanian-linguist-abd-where-he-can-pass-Xhevat-Lloshi
Lloshi seems to be a common gheg surname

[Kelmendasi]

Ahh. I see. I match some Montenegrins and Albanians from Montenegro. The Selimaj for one which surprisingly know a couple that I used to hang out with. Probably through my moms line as her father is from Puka and mother originally from Shkodra.
Could be from your mothers line too but I think fathers line could be more probable judging by the distance between my mothers village and your village

[Dibran]

Could be from your mothers line too but I think fathers line could be more probable judging by the distance between my mothers village and your village

Yea I agree. The connection is surely around Diber. Even match with Trojet so our connection is probably somewhere between Diber and Macedonia.

[Laberia]

Lloshi seems to be a common gheg surname

He is from Zabzun. Many Lloshi, Gjini and Tupi, migrated in Fier during the XX century.

[Kelmendasi]

He is from Zabzun. Many Lloshi, Gjini and Tupi, migrated in Fier during the XX century.
Oh well then I am related to them :)

[Laberia]

Oh well then I am related to them :)

According to the tradition, i have to call you nephew.

[Kelmendasi]

According to the tradition, i have to call you nephew.
Why lol? xD

[Dibran]

Why lol? xD

I have a 23andme match that popped up just now in Turkey. "4th cousin" in Turkey. He scores 94 percent Balkan which is clearly indication hes probably Albanian as Ghegs are the only ones who score this range. His maternal ancestor is from Kosova, and Paternal ancestors from Western Macedonia, where a branch of Kocis went. My father also said Koci from Macedonia went to Turkey some 200 years ago. I wonder if he is related to a distant Koci that settled Turkey. His Y-DNA is only at the M417 level. So its no way to know for certain. I emailed him so I hope he knows english or albanian and responds. I asked if he did ftdna or a deeper y test.

[Kelmendasi]

I have a 23andme match that popped up just now in Turkey. "4th cousin" in Turkey. He scores 94 percent Balkan which is clearly indication hes probably Albanian as Ghegs are the only ones who score this range. His maternal ancestor is from Kosova, and Paternal ancestors from Western Macedonia, where a branch of Kocis went. My father also said Koci from Macedonia went to Turkey some 200 years ago. I wonder if he is related to a distant Koci that settled Turkey. His Y-DNA is only at the M417 level. So its no way to know for certain. I emailed him so I hope he knows english or albanian and responds. I asked if he did ftdna or a deeper y test.
Interesting, he definitely is Albanian judging by that 94% Balkan and he could very well be a Koci judging by the ydna. It's funny that my mothers side also have people who migrated to Turkey ages ago and are still there, idk if they have kept their surname though

[Dibran]

Interesting, he definitely is Albanian judging by that 94% Balkan and he could very well be a Koci judging by the ydna. It's funny that my mothers side also have people who migrated to Turkey ages ago and are still there, idk if they have kept their surname though

Yea, his surname is Aybasti, which is not the same. It sounds more Turkish and only his mother is Turkish according to his profile. Even the mothers father was from Western Macedonia. Fathers mom from Kosova, and father Western Macedonia. He also matches another Koci cousin of ours who tested, but is a 3rd cousin Koci. I wonder if hes part of our line and tested further. My guess though is that this is his first test given he was matched with me just today.

[Kelmendasi]

Yea, his surname is Aybasti, which is not the same. It sounds more Turkish and only his mother is Turkish according to his profile. Even the mothers father was from Western Macedonia. Fathers mom from Kosova, and father Western Macedonia. He also matches another Koci cousin of ours who tested, but is a 3rd cousin Koci. I wonder if hes part of our line and tested further. My guess though is that this is his first test given he was matched with me just today.
Aybasti is also a place in Turkey near the black sea but idk if that has anything to do with his surname

[Dibran]

Aybasti is also a place in Turkey near the black sea but idk if that has anything to do with his surname

My bad, its his paternal grandmother who is turkish. Maybe a branch of Koci who settled there took the name of the region? who knows. His mothers mom is Kosovar, Mothers dad western macedonia, fathers father western macedonia.

[Trojet]

I have a 23andme match that popped up just now in Turkey. "4th cousin" in Turkey. He scores 94 percent Balkan which is clearly indication hes probably Albanian as Ghegs are the only ones who score this range. His maternal ancestor is from Kosova, and Paternal ancestors from Western Macedonia, where a branch of Kocis went. My father also said Koci from Macedonia went to Turkey some 200 years ago. I wonder if he is related to a distant Koci that settled Turkey. His Y-DNA is only at the M417 level. So its no way to know for certain. I emailed him so I hope he knows english or albanian and responds. I asked if he did ftdna or a deeper y test.

Interesting!
Since his paternal ancestor is from Western Macedonia, and given the other details you mentioned, I suspect he is most likely related to you through the paternal line. You should ask him to test at FTDNA or even YSEQ - Cheapest and only way to confirm it. He only needs Y-DNA37 from FTDNA (https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?group=AlbanianBloodlines&code=B11086) or YSEQ Alpha-Beta ($85) (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=34&osCsid=23e8148b18b03028690949a8c0f26c6a).

[Kelmendasi]

My bad, its his paternal grandmother who is turkish. Maybe a branch of Koci who settled there took the name of the region? who knows. His mothers mom is Kosovar, Mothers dad western macedonia, fathers father western macedonia.
Yh that's what I was thinking, unless Aybasti has some meaning in Turkish. Western Macedonia has a lot of Albanians so there is a high chance as he belongs to the same haplo as you

[Dibran]

Interesting!
Since his paternal ancestor is from Western Macedonia, and given the other details you mentioned, I suspect he is most likely related to you through the paternal line. You should ask him to test at FTDNA or even YSEQ - Only way to confirm it. He only needs Y-DNA37 from FTDNA or YSEQ Alpha-Beta ($85).

So all he would need is Y37 to establish if we are a paternal match? I emailed asking if he has already done, or plans to. I can certainly offer to donate to the Albanian DNA project for his test on his behalf should he be interested.

[Trojet]

So all he would need is Y37 to establish if we are a paternal match? I emailed asking if he has already done, or plans to. I can certainly offer to donate to the Albanian DNA project for his test on his behalf should he be interested.

Yes, Y-DNA37 is enough to confirm it ;)

Remember, our project is Albanian Bloodlines at FTDNA (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/albanian-bloodlines/about), we're not affiliated with the other Albanian project at FTDNA.

[Kelmendasi]

@Dibran: Our relation could be from the village of Zabzun, you mentioned being related to a family in Dibra called Stafa and I found out that there is a family in Zabzun by the name of Stafa and I have a great-grandmother who comes from this village and they have the surname Lloshi

[Trojet]

So all he would need is Y37 to establish if we are a paternal match? I emailed asking if he has already done, or plans to. I can certainly offer to donate to the Albanian DNA project for his test on his behalf should he be interested.

Alternatively, if you'd like to pay for his test, you can just make the order yourself, as long as you have his info. You may order through our project and get $20 discount: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?group=AlbanianBloodlines&code=B11086

[Kelmendasi]

Alternatively, if you'd like to pay for his test, you can just make the order yourself, as long as you have his info. You may order through our project and get $20 discount: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?group=AlbanianBloodlines&code=B11086
Couldn't he also buy Y12 first and then upgrade to Y37 straight after to get it at an even more discounted price, or is it not worth it this way?

[Trojet]

Couldn't he also buy Y12 first and then upgrade to Y37 straight after to get it at an even more discounted price, or is it not worth it this way?

He can do that, but it will cost him more. Y-DNA12 is $59, the upgrade from Y12 to Y37 is $99, so a total $158. (Unless he does the upgrade during a sale).

[Kelmendasi]

He can do that, but it will cost him more. Y-DNA12 is $59, the upgrade from Y12 to Y37 is $99, so a total $158. (Unless he does the upgrade during a sale).
Oh yh true. The Y37 from the project is $149 so it's better for him to do it this way

[Dibran]

@Dibran: Our relation could be from the village of Zabzun, you mentioned being related to a family in Dibra called Stafa and I found out that there is a family in Zabzun by the name of Stafa and I have a great-grandmother who comes from this village and they have the surname Lloshi

You could be related to the Stafa who settled in Shkodra that maybe went further into Montegro. Is the Stafa you match E-V13? My maternal grandmothers nephew from her son was E-V13. If the Stafa you match is the same, I reckon our connection is through my paternal Grandmother who was more directly related to Selman Stafas line in Okshtuni Madhe, Diber Vogel.

[Dibran]

Alternatively, if you'd like to pay for his test, you can just make the order yourself, as long as you have his info. You may order through our project and get $20 discount: https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?group=AlbanianBloodlines&code=B11086

Yea, We'll see what he says if he even responds to my email. It would be interesting if we do match.

[Dibran]

He can do that, but it will cost him more. Y-DNA12 is $59, the upgrade from Y12 to Y37 is $99, so a total $158. (Unless he does the upgrade during a sale).

I can get 150 together in a month. Its a small price for greater understanding in my paternal ancestors.

[Kelmendasi]

You could be related to the Stafa who settled in Shkodra that maybe went further into Montegro. Is the Stafa you match E-V13? My maternal grandmothers nephew from her son was E-V13. If the Stafa you match is the same, I reckon our connection is through my paternal Grandmother who was more directly related to Selman Stafas line in Okshtuni Madhe, Diber Vogel.
It wasn't a match, I found out about this when I looked up Qemal Stafa lol. I hope that in the future I will test out the majority of my family, I am going to 100% test my mothers father line and maybe after that I would like to test my paternal grandmothers father line who are from a village in Zadrima which is a region of Shkodra and my uncle once suggested that they could be related to a guy called Llesh nik Daka who was an Albanian fighter who fought alongside another fighter by the name of Gjeto Coku who was from Kelmendi originally against the Ottomans during the Balkan wars iirc, They fought around the area of bregu i mates in Lezhe although iirc Llesh nik Daka came from Shkodra or maybe even Malsia but idk really apart from the fact that there is some relation that we have with him. My great-Grandfather was the bajraktar or Kryeplak of the village of Pacram in Zadrima up until the communists killed him and removed his fis from power in the village and changed their surname from Daka to Kulla for one branch(the one my grandmother comes from) and Frashni for the other branch

[Dibran]

Interesting, he definitely is Albanian judging by that 94% Balkan and he could very well be a Koci judging by the ydna. It's funny that my mothers side also have people who migrated to Turkey ages ago and are still there, idk if they have kept their surname though

So he responded to me. And this makes sense as we have been intermarrying with people from shkup for some time. My Koci ancestors went to Turkey more than 2 generations ago. at least 8. If his great grandfather was a turkish officer in Macedonia, then I reckon its probably Z93, or maybe assimilated Bulgar/Macedonian. Considering the link is recent, its probably shared DNA in this case.

He Said: "both my grandfather's were from Skup. one grandmother is from djakova and another grandmother is from a village in Turkey. afaik, a great grandfather was a zaptiye in skup and did not have any family name as per ottoman turkish tradition.. i havnt tested any further than this but i am considering."

His family Surnames: Aybasti, Aydin, Dulatahu, Tafarshiku

[Kelmendasi]

So he responded to me. And this makes sense as we have been intermarrying with people from shkup for some time. My Koci ancestors went to Turkey more than 2 generations ago. at least 8. If his great grandfather was a turkish officer in Macedonia, then I reckon its probably Z93, or maybe assimilated Bulgar/Macedonian. Considering the link is recent, its probably shared DNA in this case.

He Said: "both my grandfather's were from Skup. one grandmother is from djakova and another grandmother is from a village in Turkey. afaik, a great grandfather was a zaptiye in skup and did not have any family name as per ottoman turkish tradition.. i havnt tested any further than this but i am considering."
If his paternal line did come from Skopje and was a Slav then he probably is M458 or Z280 his great grandfather was a policeman so it's kinda hard to pinpoint his origins as they were moved around so it's a possibility that he could of been anything from Vlach, Greek, Albanian, Turk etc. He didn't say that his great grandfather was from Skopje but that he was an officer in Skopje so it's still difficult to say where he was actually from as I stated before

[Dibran]

If his paternal line did come from Skopje and was a Slav then he probably is M458 or Z280 his great grandfather was a policeman so it's kinda hard to pinpoint his origins as they were moved around so it's a possibility that he could of been anything from Vlach, Greek, Albanian, Turk etc. He didn't say that his great grandfather was from Skopje but that he was an officer in Skopje so it's still difficult to say where he was actually from as I stated before

Yea, but his great grandfather was the paternal ancestor. which is within the 1900s. He is sure his ancestor was Turkish at least then. So the link is mostly through DNA with intermarriage it seems. If his Y matches me, it could be a ancestral break? maybe a distant relative who became ottoman/turk. That would depend on his test. But as for DNA sharing its 5 generations(150 years ago). As far as we know, even the Koci in Turkey still call themselves Albanians. So Im not sure now. He could be Z93. Macedonia had a huge Turkish presence at a time. Most Turkish R1a is under Z93. I suppose we will find out if he tests.

[Trojet]

As some of you who follow our forum might be aware, we've been testing some Albanians from Kosove through our YSEQ group, paid by Albanian Bloodlines Project Administrators. We have results for four of them, and awaiting results for two others.

We have two more samples at YSEQ that we need to order testing for, so if anyone would like to chip in, you are welcomed to do so here: https://www.yseq.net/group_alleles.php?gid=109

We order YSEQ Alpha (18 markers - $58), which is enough to get the haplogroup and the more specific subgroup in most cases.

Additionally, we're planning to send 20 YSEQ kits (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=225&osCsid=60e7a19bd404d6cdd01cc0f897fd8923) to Tirana, Albania, to get more samples from different areas of Albania. So donations are always welcomed to our YSEQ group.

[Wrong]

Cleaned the thread.

[Catholic Riffs]

Two new results from 23amdme:


Kelmendi, from Bogë, Rugovë.
Halpogroup: E1b-V13

Kryeziu, from Peja.
Halpogroup: I1-M253

[Catholic Riffs]

One new 23andme result:
Hoti, from (unknown right now)
Haplogroup: J2b2-M241

One new ftDNA Y67 result from TA user Dibran

Dibran, from Dibër e Vogël, Albania.
Haplogroup: R1a-M417>Z283>M458?

[Catholic Riffs]

New YSEQ result:

Albanian, from Gostivar, Macedonia
Haplogroup: R1a-M417>Z283>M458

Close to Dibran, 6 out of 37 marker difference.

[Herr Abubu]

New YSEQ result:

Albanian, from Gostivar, Macedonia
Haplogroup: R1a-M417>Z283>M458

Close to Dibran, 6 out of 37 marker difference.

Sons Of The Great Horde.

http://prntscr.com/gywzq5

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I see many albanians are starting to come out from r1a closet. :D

[Catholic Riffs]

This thread is about Y-DNA, not autosomal.

New YSEQ alpha-beta result:

Thaqi, from Hade, Kosova.
Haplogroup: R1b-CTS9219>BY611

[Catholic Riffs]

Another Thaqi, tested with YSEQ:

Thaqi from Kamenica, Kosova.
Haplogroup: J2b2-L283>Z1296>PH2967 (under PH2967 seems to be PH1751)

[Wrong]

The Thread Is Now Clean From Offtopic.

[Herr Abubu]

delete

[Catholic Riffs]

New result YSEQ:

Sopi from Raince in Preshevo, Serbia.
Haplogroup: E1b-V13>S2979>FGC33625

He's in a group (E-FGC33625) that is found in most of Sopi and Berisha.

[Herr Abubu]

New result YSEQ:

Albanian from Raince in Preshevo, Serbia.
Haplogroup: E1b-V13>S2979>FGC33625

He's in a group (E-FGC33625) that is found in most of Sopi and Berisha.

Does he know his clan?

[Trojet]

Does he know his clan?

Yes, he is Sopi also.

@Pain, our international forum representative, you better do a better job reporting these results, otherwise we might fire you :p

[Herr Abubu]

Yes, he is Sopi also.

@Pain, our international forum representative, you better do a better job reporting these results, otherwise we might fire you :p

I'm E-V13 And Have No Personal Interest In This But This Is No Way For One J2b2 To Talk To Another J2b2...

[Catholic Riffs]

I'm E-V13 And Have No Personal Interest In This But This Is No Way For One J2b2 To Talk To Another J2b2...

Yes I Got Sad Dont Treat Me Like A J2b1..

[Trojet]

I'm E-V13 And Have No Personal Interest In This But This Is No Way For One J2b2 To Talk To Another J2b2...

Being confirmed E-V13 and Sop, I think it's almost certain you belong in the same cluster also. We now have 5 E-V13 Sopi's tested at FTDNA/YSEQ who belong to this cluster.

Hehe, I don't know about you E-V13's :p but I'm sure Pain understands his J2b2 brother :D

[Herr Abubu]

Being confirmed E-V13 and Sop, I think it's almost certain you belong in the same cluster also. We now have 5 E-V13 Sopi's tested at FTDNA/YSEQ who belong to this cluster.

Yes Sopi Is A Pure Clan... We Didnt Mix With Other Haplos Like Many Other Clans Who Are This And That..


Hehe, I don't know about you E-V13's :p but I'm sure Pain understands his J2b2 brother.

Ok Im Gonna Let It Slide This Time...

[Kelmendasi]

I am gonna test my mothers paternal side possibly too and some other sides in the future but i dont know how to go about it asking relatives.
Yh same here, will still try though

[Nilotik]

Whose idea was it to add last names? That's a really shitty move. I didn't get asked, let alone notified.

[Skerdilaid]

Whose idea was it to add last names? That's a really shitty move. I didn't get asked, let alone notified.

It was mine bro. Why so sensitive about it? The database has grown so it’s hard to keep track which sample is which without last names.

[Skerdilaid]

Anyway, no need to worry anymore you insecure and paranoid kid, I have removed you from the list, not just you but all the 23andme/AncestyDNA tested Albos.


If anyone wishes to be part of our project they will have to test either through Family Tree DNA (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/albanian-bloodlines/about) or YSEQ (https://www.yseq.net/group_alleles.php?gid=109). In short you have to be in their databases to manually ‘Join’ our project.

[Albobalboa]

Whose idea was it to add last names? That's a really shitty move. I didn't get asked, let alone notified.

I just got a notification from respected sources in FBI, Interpol and Scotland Yard. Thanks to your last name there they will be able to get you.

[Skerdilaid]

http://www.gjenetika.com/ne-fokus-shoshi-shala-dhe-mirdita/

[Catholic Riffs]

[First] Nikaj from Peja, Kosova. (Kolbibaj brotherhood)

Haplogroup: J2b2-L283>>PH2967>PH1751

[Trojet]

If anyone wishes to be part of our project they will have to test either through Family Tree DNA (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/albanian-bloodlines/about) or YSEQ (https://www.yseq.net/group_alleles.php?gid=109). In short you have to be in their databases to manually ‘Join’ our project.

Well said Skerdilaid! I suggest all the Albos that were previously tested at 23andMe, to test at the above mentioned testing companies, and be a part of our project. Otherwise, the haplogroup you belong to will be under-represented in our project's results.

No need to be paranoid. This project is run by serious people, we even have famous Albanians in it. If there is any legitimate concerns, please let us know..

[CabOOM]

I think we need to discuss haplogroup shaming.

[Kelmendasi]

I think we need to discuss haplogroup shaming.
What part of Dibra are you from?

[CabOOM]

What part of Dibra are you from?

Golloborda


You need to make some maps of the spread of clans in Kosova. Other than you guys, noone knows where these clans are.

[Skerdilaid]

I think we need to discuss haplogroup shaming.

Shaming? Test first. There is nothing to discuss if you haven't tested.

[Kelmendasi]

Golloborda


You need to make some maps of the spread of clans in Kosova. Other than you guys, noone knows where these clans are.
My mothers side are from the same region. What village you from?

[CabOOM]

My mothers side are from the same region. What village you from?

If you ask me for my village, you might as well ask me for first and last name. :P Eastern Golloborda. Po nenen nga e ke?

[CabOOM]

Shaming? Test first. There is nothing to discuss if you haven't tested.

Im waiting man. 7 weeks and no results yet.

My R1A must be complicated :P

[Kelmendasi]

If you ask me for my village, you might as well ask me for first and last name. :P Eastern Golloborda. Po nenen nga e ke?
Bro I’m not some undercover agent xD. Nga fshati Borovë ne Dibër

[CabOOM]

Bro I’m not some undercover agent xD. Nga fshati Borovë ne Dibër

Kam gjyshen nga Klenja, qe eshte afer Boroves.

[Kelmendasi]

Kam gjyshen nga Klenja, qe eshte afer Boroves.
Njerezit nga Klenja a jane Shqiptar ose Slav?

[CabOOM]

Njerezit nga Klenja a jane Shqiptar ose Slav?

Shqiptare te gjithe. Jo vetem ne Klenje

[Skerdilaid]

Im waiting man. 7 weeks and no results yet.

My R1A must be complicated :P

Where have you tested, family tree DNA? Join our project from you profile there. Hold your horses, you might be I2a instead :P

[CabOOM]

Where have you tested, family tree DNA? Join our project from you profile there. Hold your horses, you might be I2a instead :P

I kinda want to be cool like the J2b guys. But Ill take anything at this point. Yeah ftdna

[Kelmendasi]

Shqiptare te gjithe. Jo vetem ne Klenje
Mu me kan thane ca shumica jane Bullgar.

[CabOOM]

Mu me kan thane ca shumica jane Bullgar.

Nuk e di kush te ka thene. Mos u shoqero me ata qe te kan then nje gje te tille.

[Skerdilaid]

I kinda want to be cool like the J2b guys. But Ill take anything at this point. Yeah ftdna

Hit join on the top right and enter your credentials, we need Albos from Golloberda on our project! https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/albanian-bloodlines/about/results

[Kelmendasi]

Nuk e di kush te ka thene. Mos u shoqero me ata qe te kan then nje gje te tille.
I was told by people from my mothers village. What haplo do you think you will belong to? J2b2(Y23094) is a possibility for you imo

[CabOOM]

I was told by people from my mothers village. What haplo do you think you will belong to? J2b2(Y23094) is a possibility for you imo

Borova eshte veten ne Golloborde edhe jane vete Gollobordas.

[Kelmendasi]

Borova eshte veten ne Golloborde edhe jane vete Gollobordas.
Yh ik we probably share some common ancestors. Hopefully your results come soon as I want to get a clue of what my mothers paternal line are in terms of Ydna

[CabOOM]

Yh ik we probably share some common ancestors. Hopefully your results come soon as I want to get a clue of what my mothers paternal line are in terms of Ydna

Terms of Autosomal its mostly Balkan, with a northern pull. The weird thing is that its not a Slavic component but, Western European/ Scandanavian. Im trying to figure out what it is. I heard Normans settled in Diber 900 years ago.

[Kelmendasi]

Terms of Autosomal its mostly Balkan, with a northern pull. The weird thing is that its not a Slavic component but, Western European/ Scandanavian. Im trying to figure out what it is. I heard Normans settled in Diber 900 years ago.
Yh some sources say they did and there are some I1-P109(Norse) samples from Dibra, depends on village/region though as the I1 seems to be in Dibra e madhe

[CabOOM]

Yh some sources say they did and there are some I1-P109(Norse) samples from Dibra, depends on village/region though as the I1 seems to be in Dibra e madhe

Do you have links to any sources?


Its so weird. I get Irish, French, German, or Scandinavian at a 5-10% range.

https://i.imgur.com/sxIxrS5.png

[Catholic Riffs]

I kinda want to be cool like the J2b guys. But Ill take anything at this point. Yeah ftdna

everyone does...

[Kelmendasi]

Do you have links to any sources?


Its so weird. I get Irish, French, German, or Scandinavian at a 5-10% range.

[ig]https://i.imgur.com/sxIxrS5.png[/img]
I have a quote from Wikipedia which suggests that the Normans had passed into Dibra “the Normans secured the Arbanon passes and opened their way to Dibra” I wonder if you match me on autosomal

[CabOOM]

everyone does...

I heard R1b is climbing the haplogroup social ladder.

[CabOOM]

I have a quote from Wikipedia which suggests that the Normans had passed into Dibra “the Normans secured the Arbanon passes and opened their way to Dibra” I wonder if you match me on autosomal

I'm looking for matches and cant find anyone with J1 Y-Dna. I do see someone with last name Lita, which I think is a last name in Borova? I'm not really sure

[Kelmendasi]

I'm looking for matches and cant find anyone with J1 Y-Dna. I do see someone with last name Lita, which I think is a last name in Borova? I'm not really sure
Im not sure if Lita is a surname from there. Do you have ancestry from other villages around it?

[CabOOM]

Im not sure if Lita is a surname from there. Do you have ancestry from other villages around it?

Yeah Im pretty well mixed from the area. I do have from Dibra Madhe as well though. Do you match Dibran? Hes from Okshtun, not too far from Borova.

[Kelmendasi]

Yeah Im pretty well mixed from the area. I do have from Dibra Madhe as well though. Do you match Dibran? Hes from Okshtun, not too far from Borova.
Yh I match pretty closely. Are you from Okshtun?

[CabOOM]

Yh I match pretty closely. Are you from Okshtun?

No.

Pasinke, Terbac, Trebisht, Stebleve I believe, and Klenje. One great grandmother and one other great great grandmother from Dibra Madhe. From what I know at least.

[safinator]

No.

Pasinke, Terbac, Trebisht, Stebleve I believe, and Klenje. One great grandmother and one other great great grandmother from Dibra Madhe. From what I know at least.

Do you have gedmatch?

[CabOOM]

Do you have gedmatch?

I like to be wined and fed before Gedmatch

[Kelmendasi]

No.

Pasinke, Terbac, Trebisht, Stebleve I believe, and Klenje. One great grandmother and one other great great grandmother from Dibra Madhe. From what I know at least.
On my mothers side they have ancestry from Zabzun and Fushë-Studë as well as Borova. My Mtdna is from Fushë-studë and I have the same Mtdna as a guy from Trebishte who claims to be a Bulgarian but he also has a typical Albanian haplo(J2b2-Y23094) which just shows that the Slavs there were originally Albos

[CabOOM]

On my mothers side they have ancestry from Zabzun and Fushë-Studë as well as Borova. My Mtdna is from Fushë-studë and I have the same Mtdna as a guy from Trebishte who claims to be a Bulgarian but he also has a typical Albanian haplo(J2b2-Y23094) which just shows that the Slavs there were originally Albos

I don't know what Slavs you talking about.

The guy from Trebisht is someone who took the Bulgarian Passport to travel to Europe. This way he can go there on a plane instead of like savages in refugee camps, how other Albanians do it.

You have him on your mtdna. Why dont you ask him?

[Kelmendasi]

I don't know what Slavs you talking about.

The guy from Trebisht is someone who took the Bulgarian Passport to travel to Europe. This way he can go there on a plane instead of like savages in refugee camps, how other Albanians do it.

You have him on your mtdna. Why dont you ask him?
Apparently he’a an old man who can only speak Bulgarian

[CabOOM]

Apparently he’a an old man who can only speak Bulgarian

Thats just not possible.

I believe a Bulgarian woman was managing his account and had done the DNA test for him. From what I understood from the conversation I had at another website. So she is either referring to herself or someones lying. Edhe fshatrat e Gollobordes ne Maqedoni e kuptojn Shqipen, jo ne Shqiperi.

[Kelmendasi]

Thats just not possible.

I believe a Bulgarian woman was managing his account and had done the DNA test for him. From what I understood from the conversation I had at another website. So she is either referring to herself or someones lying. Edhe fshatrat e Gollobordes ne Maqedoni e kuptojn Shqipen, jo ne Shqiperi.
That’s not likely since he has also tested Ydna(he is J2b2-Y23094). The Mtdna T1a1l seems to be linked to Albanians from what I can see. How comes Wikipedia claims that there are actual Bulgarian and Macedonian minorities in eastern Albania?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Ok, lets be serious now, cabOOM who's sock are you?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

That’s not likely since he has also tested Ydna(he is J2b2-Y23094). The Mtdna T1a1l seems to be linked to Albanians from what I can see. How comes Wikipedia claims that there are actual Bulgarian and Macedonian minorities in eastern Albania?

they are slav, no Albanians there.

[Trojet]

Lol, as I explained in another forum, this "Bulgarian" from Trebisht is matching a few Albanians. Including a Next Generation Sequence (like BigY) from Tirana Albania, with a Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor of ca. 500 years. Doesn't get any more precise and clear than that regarding his origin. Onviously, he can identify anyway he wishes.

And CabOOM is right. He was tested by the Bulgarian DNA Project admin, including mtDNA, Autosomal. Even their email is attached to his account...

[Kelmendasi]

they are slav, no Albanians there.
Only a few villages are said to have Slavs although they seem to have Albanian origin

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Only a few villages are said to have Slavs although they seem to have Albanian origin

Klenje is entirely 'slav', along with few others, the rest are mixed or Albo dominated, I have limited information about that region tbh so I looked in wikipedia for clues, like you. lol

Is Dibran from these villages?

[Kelmendasi]

Klenje is entirely 'slav', along with few others, the rest are mixed or Albo dominated, I have limited information about that region tbh so I looked in wikipedia for clues, like you. lol

Is Dibran from these villages?
I was told by people from the region that some of the villages he mentioned are Slavic or mixed but checked on Wikipedia to double check. Dibran is from Okshtun which is completely Albanian

[CabOOM]

Ok, lets be serious now, cabOOM who's sock are you?

I'm not a sock. I only have a large penis

[CabOOM]

That’s not likely since he has also tested Ydna(he is J2b2-Y23094). The Mtdna T1a1l seems to be linked to Albanians from what I can see. How comes Wikipedia claims that there are actual Bulgarian and Macedonian minorities in eastern Albania?

You referring to Wikipedia...


they are slav, no Albanians there.

What are you? The forum retard?


Only a few villages are said to have Slavs although they seem to have Albanian origin

What the hell are you talking about. People speak a Slavic. Theyre not Slavic.

It's saddening when Albanians believe propaganda of our neighbors


Klenje is entirely 'slav', along with few others, the rest are mixed or Albo dominated, I have limited information about that region tbh so I looked in wikipedia for clues, like you. lol

Is Dibran from these villages?

No Dibran is not from these villages.

Klenje is not entirely Slav. Just like your mothers aren't entirely hoes. Fkn idiots.



I was told by people from the region that some of the villages he mentioned are Slavic or mixed but checked on Wikipedia to double check. Dibran is from Okshtun which is completely Albanian

Not only we gotta deal with the shit from Macedonia and Bulgaria but retarded Albanians as well.

[Kelmendasi]

You referring to Wikipedia...



What are you? The forum retard?



What the hell are you talking about. People speak a Slavic. Theyre not Slavic.

It's saddening when Albanians believe propaganda of our neighbors



No Dibran is not from these villages.

Klenje is not entirely Slav. Just like your mothers are entirely hoes. Fkn idiots.




Not only we gotta deal with the shit from Macedonia and Bulgaria but retarded Albanians as well.
Chill man, no need in getting all mad over a question. What I said wasn't supposed to be offensive but if you took it that way then it's your own problem. Don't bring in family members, we aren't in primary school

[CabOOM]

Chill man, no need in getting all mad over a question. What I said wasn't supposed to be offensive but if you took it that way then it's your own problem. Don't bring in family members, we aren't in primary school

Yeah man, thats why kelmendi girls are degenerate hoes here. Fn every dk that comes by.

Not meant to be offensive here. Asked my friend. Thats what he told me.

[Kelmendasi]

Yeah man, thats why kelmendi girls are degenerate hoes here. Fn every dk that comes by.

Not meant to be offensive here. Asked my friend. Thats what he told me.
Kk, I literally don’t care if a certain group of girls are sluts it literally doesn’t affect me in the slightest way. Have you ever even seen a person from Kelmend lol? Grow up man

[CabOOM]

Kk, I literally don’t care if a certain group of girls are sluts it literally doesn’t affect me in the slightest way. Have you ever even seen a person from Kelmend lol? Grow up man

I used to date a girl from kelmendi actually. Last time I checked she was married to an African-American. They're happy which is what matters.

[Kelmendasi]

I used to date a girl from kelmendi actually. Last time I checked she was married to an African-American. They're happy which is what matters.
And from where was this Kelmendi girl?

[CabOOM]

And from where was this Kelmendi girl?

It doesn't matter. True story tho.

[Kelmendasi]

It doesn't matter. True story tho.
Obviously..

[CabOOM]

Obviously..

The last bit is true.

To be serious though, females from Kelmendi are some of the most good looking girls.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I'm not a sock. I only have a large penis

Hahha oh fuck off, I knew from beginning you were a sock, Abubu. :D

[Skerdilaid]

Guys, stop this nonsense. Please and thank you.

[CabOOM]

Guys, stop this nonsense. Please and thank you.

You want some of this? But yeah you probably right though.


Hahha oh fuck off, I knew from beginning you were a sock, Abubu. :D

Does abubu have this?

https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/4/49/Select-and-Store-Cucumbers-Step-1.jpg/aid493260-v4-900px-Select-and-Store-Cucumbers-Step-1.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

^^
xD

[Skerdilaid]

You want some of this? But yeah you probably right though.

Some of what, CabOOM/trdbr1234/Juke? xD

Act your age bud and join the project, there is no reason to be insecure about it if things are as you say they are.

[CabOOM]

Some of what, CabOOM/trdbr1234/Juke? xD

Act your age bud and join the project, there is no reason to be insecure about it if things are as you say they are.

I don't know what you're talking about....

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Does abubu have this?

https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/4/49/Select-and-Store-Cucumbers-Step-1.jpg/aid493260-v4-900px-Select-and-Store-Cucumbers-Step-1.jpg

Probably not. xD

[Herr Abubu]

Does abubu have this?

https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/4/49/Select-and-Store-Cucumbers-Step-1.jpg/aid493260-v4-900px-Select-and-Store-Cucumbers-Step-1.jpg

You should ask some of the Albanian women here, a number of them that I won't specify know whether Abubu has this or not.

[CabOOM]

You should ask some of the Albanian women here, a number of them that I won't specify know whether Abubu has this or not.

If a J2b guy said that to me, Id believe it. Not from EV-13. Noone believes it.

[Herr Abubu]

If a J2b guy said that to me, Id believe it. Not from EV-13. Noone believes it.

You don't have to believe it. Just ask a little around and you might find the answer.

[CabOOM]

^^
xD

Kelmendasi, can you post some calculators? like Eurogenes k15?

[Kelmendasi]

Kelmendasi, can you post some calculators? like Eurogenes k15?

23andme:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.52
2 West_Med 19.29
3 Baltic 16.69
4 North_Sea 12.55
5 Atlantic 10.61
6 West_Asian 9.54
7 Eastern_Euro 5.63
8 Red_Sea 3.31
9 Oceanian 0.86

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.76
2 Greek 7.9
3 Bulgarian 8.99
4 Romanian 11.17
5 Central_Greek 11.72
6 Ashkenazi 12.3
7 East_Sicilian 12.51
8 Tuscan 12.54
9 Italian_Abruzzo 13.21
10 West_Sicilian 13.89
11 South_Italian 14.5
12 Serbian 14.5
13 North_Italian 15.65
14 Moldavian 17.79
15 Italian_Jewish 18.29
16 Algerian_Jewish 19.17
17 Sephardic_Jewish 19.64
18 Croatian 19.95
19 Hungarian 20.42
20 Austrian 21.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.9% Greek_Thessaly + 8.1% Lithuanian @ 4.96
2 92.1% Greek_Thessaly + 7.9% Estonian_Polish @ 5.12
3 92% Greek_Thessaly + 8% Belorussian @ 5.12
4 91.9% Greek_Thessaly + 8.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.19
5 91.1% Greek_Thessaly + 8.9% Ukrainian @ 5.19
6 90.8% Greek_Thessaly + 9.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.2
7 92.3% Greek_Thessaly + 7.7% Southwest_Russian @ 5.22
8 92.2% Greek_Thessaly + 7.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.23
9 91.8% Greek_Thessaly + 8.2% South_Polish @ 5.28
10 92.5% Greek_Thessaly + 7.5% Polish @ 5.29
11 89.5% Greek_Thessaly + 10.5% Croatian @ 5.3
12 88.6% Greek_Thessaly + 11.4% Moldavian @ 5.33
13 93.7% Greek_Thessaly + 6.3% Erzya @ 5.33
14 93.9% Greek_Thessaly + 6.1% Estonian @ 5.35
15 77.9% Greek_Thessaly + 22.1% Bulgarian @ 5.38
16 94.2% Greek_Thessaly + 5.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.42
17 95.5% Greek_Thessaly + 4.5% La_Brana-1 @ 5.55
18 93.1% Greek_Thessaly + 6.9% Hungarian @ 5.57
19 96.1% Greek_Thessaly + 3.9% East_Finnish @ 5.61
20 88.2% Greek_Thessaly + 11.8% Romanian @ 5.61


Ftdna:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.48
2 West_Med 20.21
3 Atlantic 14.31
4 Baltic 13.63
5 North_Sea 11.96
6 West_Asian 9.17
7 Eastern_Euro 6.44
8 Red_Sea 3.81

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.38
2 Greek 5.98
3 Bulgarian 8.3
4 Tuscan 8.87
5 Romanian 10.5
6 Central_Greek 10.6
7 Italian_Abruzzo 10.91
8 West_Sicilian 11.14
9 East_Sicilian 11.18
10 Ashkenazi 11.55
11 North_Italian 11.88
12 South_Italian 13.28
13 Serbian 13.44
14 Italian_Jewish 17.19
15 Algerian_Jewish 18.03
16 Moldavian 18.15
17 Sephardic_Jewish 18.36
18 Portuguese 18.59
19 Spanish_Galicia 18.75
20 Spanish_Extremadura 18.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.7% Greek_Thessaly + 13.3% Southwest_French @ 4.12
2 89.5% Greek_Thessaly + 10.5% Sardinian @ 4.13
3 91% Greek_Thessaly + 9% French_Basque @ 4.3
4 85.6% Greek_Thessaly + 14.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.35
5 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.41
6 88.1% Greek_Thessaly + 11.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.41
7 87.8% Greek_Thessaly + 12.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.42
8 82% Greek + 18% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.45
9 80.7% Bulgarian + 19.3% Sardinian @ 4.48
10 87.8% Greek_Thessaly + 12.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.5
11 79.2% Greek_Thessaly + 20.8% North_Italian @ 4.55
12 87.5% Greek_Thessaly + 12.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.62
13 87.8% Greek_Thessaly + 12.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.67
14 87.5% Greek_Thessaly + 12.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.69
15 87.9% Greek_Thessaly + 12.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.7
16 87.6% Greek_Thessaly + 12.4% Portuguese @ 4.74
17 83.3% Greek + 16.7% Portuguese @ 4.78
18 59.3% Greek_Thessaly + 40.7% Greek @ 4.78
19 73.3% Greek_Thessaly + 26.7% Bulgarian @ 4.78
20 88.1% Greek_Thessaly + 11.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.8





Btw have you joined the Albanian bloodlines project?

[Rethel]

Was there some recent actualisation about the main theme?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Ndoshta so tema per urime po kjo teme shikohet me se shumti tek shqiptaret keshtu qe dua ti uroj gjithe shqiptaret e besimit te krishter festen e krishlindjeve, ju uroj gjitha te mirat ne jete dhe kaloni festen sa me kendshem me familje bashke.

[Drawing-slim]

Kjoft luvdu krishti.
Marry Christmas to all.
It just occurred to me that albanian catholics refer to Jesus exactly the same way muslims refer to Muhammad.
“Kjof luvdu krishti” means Jesus praise be upon on him just when muhammad’s name is mentioned praise be upon him is followed.
The interesting thing is that albanian catholics been using this phrase long before islam was born.

[Kelmendasi]

Urime.

[ilir]

Kjoft luvdu krishti.
Marry Christmas to all.
It just occurred to me that albanian catholics refer to Jesus exactly the same way muslims refer to Muhammad.
“Kjof luvdu krishti” means Jesus praise be upon on him just when muhammad’s name is mentioned praise be upon him is followed.
The interesting thing is that albanian catholics been using this phrase long before islam was born.


"SIA LODATO GESÙ CRISTO" thone italianet kshtuqe s'besoj se e kena shpik na.

[Laberia]

"SIA LODATO GESÙ CRISTO" thone italianet kshtuqe s'besoj se e kena shpik na.

Agree with you but the answer of an Italian is: Sempre sia lodato. Meanwhile in Albanian the answer is: Gjithmon e jetës.

[Laberia]

Kjoft luvdu krishti.
Marry Christmas to all.
It just occurred to me that albanian catholics refer to Jesus exactly the same way muslims refer to Muhammad.
“Kjof luvdu krishti” means Jesus praise be upon on him just when muhammad’s name is mentioned praise be upon him is followed.
The interesting thing is that albanian catholics been using this phrase long before islam was born.
Nuk ka asnje lidhje me islamin. Dhe vari lesht ketyre temave me myslimane se je fiksuar keq keto kohet e fundit.
Edhe dicka tjeter. Forma e sakte ne Gegerisht eshte: Kjoft levdue Jezu krishti.

[Skerdilaid]

Im waiting man. 7 weeks and no results yet.

My R1A must be complicated :P
Seems like your wish came true, CabOOM :D

[CabOOM]

Seems like your wish came true, CabOOM :D

Complicated R1a, just like I told you. :P

Some Highlander from Herzegovina made their way to Albania, 1000 years ago. Basically gives you no information. Could have happened for any reason.

R1a>YP4278>YP4441 - From Western Herzegovina. TMCRA - 800-1000 years.

This whole branch is kind of understudied to be honest. Wait a few more years to see how exactly this branch transpired.

[safinator]

Complicated R1a, just like I told you. :P

Some Highlander from Herzegovina made their way to Albania, 1000 years ago. Basically gives you no information. Could have happened for any reason.

R1a>YP4278>YP4441 - From Western Herzegovina. TMCRA - 800-1000 years.

Thats your clade?

[CabOOM]

Thats your clade?

Yeah.

[safinator]

Yeah.

I have seen very few R1a Albanians, you and Dibran plus an Albanian from Montenegro and one from Gjirokaster.

[Dibran]

I have seen very few R1a Albanians, you and Dibran plus an Albanian from Montenegro and one from Gjirokaster.

Give it time. Looks like DNA testing is the new in thing. I imagine results will start pouring in eventually. I think the actual tested figures for Albanians(per recent periodicals) is only like less than 500 Albanians. lol Bulgarians(or was it Serbs?) have like over a thousand tested, which even then isnt really much either. We need bigger figures for the Balkans. It seems the area of least interest to these genetics companies. Always having northern and north west european studies etc.

[safinator]

Give it time. Looks like DNA testing is the new in thing. I imagine results will start pouring in eventually. I think the actual tested figures for Albanians(per recent periodicals) is only like less than 500 Albanians. lol Bulgarians(or was it Serbs?) have like over a thousand tested, which even then isnt really much either. We need bigger figures for the Balkans. It seems the area of least interest to these genetics companies. Always having northern and north west european studies etc.

In Academic studies R1a in Tosks can reach 10% and if i am no mistaken Albanians from Macedonia get the highest percentage at around 14%, not very high numbers obviously but still it's odd how very few there are.

[Dibran]

In Academic studies R1a in Tosks can reach 10% and if i am no mistaken Albanians from Macedonia get the highest percentage at around 14%, not very high numbers obviously but still it's odd how very few there are.

Well, the tested sample sizes are too small to draw conclusions. One could estimate a probability based on consistency of results per sample size. Even then its suspect. For example, my R1a is predicted to form a founder effect in YP515 within M458. Founder effects usually result from high fertility/bottlenecks right? My father was one of 4 brothers that lived. My grandfather is one of 3 brothers, and their father one of 13 sons. 2 of which died. thats just a couple generations back. Everyone of those 11 sons had many sons. Most we barely keep in touch with any more.

[CabOOM]

I have seen very few R1a Albanians, you and Dibran plus an Albanian from Montenegro and one from Gjirokaster.

It is actually very low.

They generally have a large distance with their R1a companions outside of Albania.

[Dibran]

It is actually very low.

They generally have a large distance with their R1a companions outside of Albania.

I am guessing most of our R1a is Avar/Sklavenoi during the first Byzantine invasions. Many of the assimilated arrivals became Greek and Vlach and later Albanian. Some theorize M458 could be Sarmatians or Alans. But I cant see how, as alot of M458 in Balkans and as far as I know, Sarmatians and Alans didnt go there.

[CabOOM]

I am guessing most of our R1a is Avar/Sklavenoi during the first Byzantine invasions. Many of the assimilated arrivals became Greek and Vlach and later Albanian. Some theorize M458 could be Sarmatians or Alans. But I cant see how, as alot of M458 in Balkans and as far as I know, Sarmatians and Alans didnt go there.

It s difficult to predict anything conclusive. I know Albanians used to be very aggressive towards foreigners settling among Albanians. These lineages would need to have come very early or have come as Albanians. I imagine the Diber area would have more exotic Y-DNA because it was often the scene of major battles. Although these soldiers were usually Albanians themselves, I imagine not all were. This might explain the increase in I1 and R1a we are finding in the area in comparison to the general Albanian population. The other reason I'm leaning towards this scenario is that these "exotic" lineages just don't seem to be related to one another.

I could be completely wrong.

[Dibran]

It s difficult to predict anything conclusive. I know Albanians used to be very aggressive towards foreigners settling among Albanians. These lineages would need to have come very early or have come as Albanians. I imagine the Diber area would have more exotic Y-DNA because it was often the scene of major battles. Although these soldiers were usually Albanians themselves, I imagine not all were. This might explain the increase in I1 and R1a we are finding in the area in comparison to the general Albanian population. The other reason I'm leaning towards this scenario is that these "exotic" lineages just don't seem to be related to one another.

I could be completely wrong.

They are not really exotic. The area is just so under-tested. The time most of these TMRCA are in R1a for ALbanians seem to be long before we are even first mentioned on record. So I can see it being assimilated into Byzantium and then with the forming of Arvanites through a symbiosis with Vlach and Greek, could have absorbed these lineages in central and southern Albania. Even explaining its elevation in Western Macedonian Albanians due to many Southern Albanians moving there over generations.

[Kelmendasi]

It s difficult to predict anything conclusive. I know Albanians used to be very aggressive towards foreigners settling among Albanians. These lineages would need to have come very early or have come as Albanians. I imagine the Diber area would have more exotic Y-DNA because it was often the scene of major battles. Although these soldiers were usually Albanians themselves, I imagine not all were. This might explain the increase in I1 and R1a we are finding in the area in comparison to the general Albanian population. The other reason I'm leaning towards this scenario is that these "exotic" lineages just don't seem to be related to one another.

I could be completely wrong.
So far Dibra doesn’t seem to be “exotic” in terms of Ydna. Majority of the haplos from there are typical Albanian haplos, I can only think of about 3 haplogroups in Diber which can be called “exotic”. The region itself though is undertested

[Dibran]

So far Dibra doesn’t seem to be “exotic” in terms of Ydna. Majority of the haplos from there are typical Albanian haplos, I can only think of about 3 haplogroups in Dover which can be called “exotic”. The region itself though is undertested

Extremely under tested. per Albanian Bloodlines, theres barely anyone from Diber that I can tell. Unless theres alternate testing groups with Dibran statistics. So far all too few. One sample I think(unless my eyes fool me) was an I1 Dibran. Probably from Normans, and or Goths.

[Kelmendasi]

Extremely under tested. per Albanian Bloodlines, theres barely anyone from Diber that I can tell. Unless theres alternate testing groups with Dibran statistics. So far all too few. One sample I think(unless my eyes fool me) was an I1 Dibran. Probably from Normans, and or Goths.
In Dibra J2b2, E-V13 and R1b have been found and are probably the dominant haplos. The Dibran I1 is P109 which is of Norse origin so its from Normans

[Trojet]

In Academic studies R1a in Tosks can reach 10% and if i am no mistaken Albanians from Macedonia get the highest percentage at around 14%, not very high numbers obviously but still it's odd how very few there are.

This is not exactly right.
There is only two studies of Albanians from Macedonia that I know of, and they give very contradicting results regarding R1a. The first one which I'm guessing you're referring to, has it at 12.6%, as can be seen here: http://www.bjmg.edu.mk/record.asp?subrecordid=1191
While the second one, which is from Battaglia et al 2008, has it at only 1.6%, as can be seen below.

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/n6/images/ejhg2008249f2.jpg

I guess it depends where these studies were carried out, the sample size, etc. But if we take the average of the two, it would be around 7% R1a. We'll see how the numbers turn out in the future...

[CabOOM]

So far Dibra doesn’t seem to be “exotic” in terms of Ydna. Majority of the haplos from there are typical Albanian haplos, I can only think of about 3 haplogroups in Diber which can be called “exotic”. The region itself though is undertested

Well, you know best. But so far in this under tested environment, there is a slight alteration. Surely not enough samples and could be natural sample bias.

[Voskos]

According to what I was told by an Albanian member here there's a Kosovar Albanian with the same subclade as me.Now how this subclade extends from Ireland to Spain and reaches as far as Kosovo and Poland, that is one serious mystery.

[Trojet]

According to what I was told by an Albanian member here there's a Kosovar Albanian with the same subclade as me.Now how this subclade extends from Ireland to Spain and reaches as far as Kosovo and Poland, that is one serious mystery.

Which subclade is this?

[Voskos]

Which subclade is this?

T1a-CTS8862

[Trojet]

T1a-CTS8862

I see. Yeah, there doesn't seem to be enough data at the moment regarding that T1a subclade. More testing should definitely help in the future. But I suspect the Romans spread some of it, considering its TMRCA and the geographical distribution.

[AlbanianPrince]

I'm new to this Website forum, but may I please see your 23 amd me results?😅

Kind Regards,

[Kelmendasi]

I'm new to this Website forum, but may I please see your 23 amd me results?��

Kind Regards,
What part of Albania are you from? My 23andme results are in my signature

[Kelmendasi]

Gonna update this page a little.

New results:
Kastrati clan, Kastrat, Albania, Malesi e madhe district. E-V13>Z16988>Z27131>BY62310

Gruda clan, Grude, Montenegro, Malesi e madhe region. J2b2>L283>Y23094

Gruda clan, Grude, Montenegro, Malesi e madhe region. J2b2>L283>Y23094

Trieshi clan, Montenegro, Muzheck, Malesi e madhe region. [B]E-V13>Z16661

Thaci clan, Iballe, Albania. E-V13>L241>PH2180

Shkoder(origin from Mirdita). E-V13>L241

Bytyci clan, tropoje, Albania. R1b>Z2103>BY611>Z2705>Y33200

[Kelmendasi]

from Zall, Kruje, Albania. J2b2>L283>Y23094>Cluster A

Shkreli clan, from Lezhe(with origin from Zagore, Shkrel), Albania. J2b2>L283>Y23094>Cluster A

Shkreli clan, from Ducaj, Shkrel, Albania. E-V13>L241>PH2180

from Shpat, Elbasan, Albania. E-V13>L241>PH2180

Shllaku clan, from Shllak, Shkoder, Albania. E-V13>CTS9320>Z38456>BY4461

Berisha clan, from Zym, Prizren, Kosovo. J2b2>L283>PH2967>PH1751

[Kelmendasi]

Dibrri clan, from Kacinar, Mirdite, Albania. E-V13>CTS9320>Z38456>BY4461>Y92017

Shkreli clan, from Krusheve e vogel, kosovo. I1>Z63>S2077>Y16438>Kcira cluster

Kastrati clan, Prizren, Kosovo. J2b2>L283>PH2967>PH1751

[Shqipez]

Thread re-opened. Nice.

[Aren]

There seems to be rather low diversity regarding Y-DNA, how come?

[Kelmendasi]

There seems to be rather low diversity regarding Y-DNA, how come?
There is actually a good amount of diversity among the main haplos like E-V13 and J2b2.

[Aren]

There is actually a good amount of diversity among the main haplos like E-V13 and J2b2.

True, out of all Europeans it seems Albanians have more diversity of these particular haplgroups but looking at Y-full most of the only Albanian or Balkanic subclades of E-V13 or J2b2 seem to have rather young TMRCA though, no? Like the overwhelming majority of all Albanians in the ftdna project who are J2b2 belong to Z1296/CTS8995 > PH3120 which has a TMRCA of 1200 ybp.

[Dukagjini]

Does anyone here know how to obtain BAM file? I converted my 23andme v5 raw data to v3, but I don't know how to get or examine BAM file, to find out my subclade.

[Skerdilaid]

Does anyone here know how to obtain BAM file? I converted my 23andme v5 raw data to v3, but I don't know how to get or examine BAM file, to find out my subclade.

BAM files are only offered through NGS/WGS tests. You can download your raw data from your profile, however. Go under settings, scroll all the way down to the bottom where you see 23andme data and click on view, click on Download Raw Data, send request. And after few minutes you should be able to download them. After you download them you can play around with tools like morelydna, etc. But if you need help send them to me via email and I will look at them.

Saying all that, from what I have seen they are only testing L241 below V13 so chances are pretty slim that you will find anything more than what you already know.

[Dukagjini]

BAM files are only offered through NGS tests. You can download your raw data from your profile, however. Go under settings, scroll all the way down to the bottom where you see 23andme data and click on view, click on Download Raw Data, send request. And after few minutes you should be able to download them. After you download them you can play around with tools like morelydna, etc. But if you need help send them to me via email and I will look at them.

Saying all that, from what I have seen they are only testing L241 below V13 so chances are pretty slim that you will anything more than what you already know.

Yea I downloaded the raw data and used tools like Morley and I got CTS5856 as a my subclade, but idk if I come from the Kelmendi cluster, Kelmendasi doesn't think so. Sucks I can't really buy y-37 test rn, as I'm spending all of my money on textbooks for college.

[Skerdilaid]

Yea I downloaded the raw data and used tools like Morley and I got CTS5856 as a my subclade, but idk if I come from the Kelmendi cluster, Kelmendasi doesn't think so. Sucks I can't really buy y-37 test rn, as I'm spending all of my money on textbooks for college.

I see 23andme has you as E-V13, so you should at least be V13+


Told you not to waste your money on 23andme but you still didn't listen and went ahead and did what you wanted. You're not the first Albo that ignored our advice, if that makes you feel any better lol..

[Dukagjini]

I see 23andme has you as E-V13, so you should at least be V13+


Told you not to waste your money on 23andme but you still didn't listen and went ahead did what you wanted. You're not the first Albo that ignored our advice, if that makes you feel any better lol..

I don't really regret it. I have done a lot with the raw data and it's been very interesting. It just sucks 23andme doesn't reveal the subclade... I don't understand why. Anyways I've got time to do Y-specific dna test.

[Shqipez]

..... Trojet explained it well

[Trojet]

True, out of all Europeans it seems Albanians have more diversity of these particular haplgroups but looking at Y-full most of the only Albanian or Balkanic subclades of E-V13 or J2b2 seem to have rather young TMRCA though, no? Like the overwhelming majority of all Albanians in the ftdna project who are J2b2 belong to Z1296/CTS8995 > PH3120 which has a TMRCA of 1200 ybp.

This is wrong!

The analysis of the new BigY's under J-Y20899,PH2967 is not yet done ;)

Apparently YFull's tree is automated, and since these new subclades are formed, the TMRCA estimates will be all over the place until the analysis of these BigY's is complete, which should be within a month. When all set and done, I expect the TMRCA of the Albanians who are under J-Y20899 to go back to ~2000 ybp. I explained some of this at Foleja: http://www.foleja.net/index.php?topic=14.msg5822#msg5822

[Dukagjini]

This is wrong!

The analysis of the new BigY's under J-Y20899,PH2967 is not yet done ;)

Apparently YFull's tree is automated, and since these new subclades are formed, the TMRCA estimates will be all over the place until the analysis of these BigY's is complete, which should be within a month. I explained some of this at Foleja: http://www.foleja.net/index.php?topic=14.msg5822#msg5822

Do you have anymore y-dna results from Montenegro? Ulqin, Shestan, Kraj are lacking.

[TrulyBliss]

To all my sllavedonski friends from Britain and all my Sllavednoski & non-Slavedonski friends from Albania, I would like to say, lets be honest about our genetics now. Lets try to find our shared origins in a professional non-nationalistc way. Great project. Keep up the great work.

Shame all those constructive and informative posts were deleted.

[Skerdilaid]

If you wish to discuss Albanian genetic, cool, you’re in the right place. However, bulgarian and other slavic propaganda literature from the past centuries have no place here, go discuss it elsewhere.

[TrulyBliss]

If you wish to discuss Albanian genetic, cool, you’re in the right place. However, bulgarian and other slavic propaganda literature from the past centuries have no place here, go discuss it elsewhere.

Bulgarian and Slavic propaganda? We were discussing the maternal Y-DNA and autosomal DNA of an leading member in your project. Seems like Kelmendasi and others were offended by their Bulgarian Slavic roots from Golobordo. Interestingly, he himself stated this is a Slavic Bulgarian region.

You quoted a Serbian historian when you thought it suited your needs. Or do you quote and take only what benefits you? This one way citations and interpretation seems to be a hobby with consequences here.

Needless to say, I do not want to offend any more small weenerd individuals on this Albanian Y-DNA project.

Study of genetics(outside of scientific purposes) is a branch of history, for your information.

[Kelmendasi]

Bulgarian and Slavic propaganda? We were discussing the maternal Y-DNA and autosomal DNA of an leading member in your project. Seems like Kelmendasi and others were offended by their Bulgarian Slavic roots from Golobordo. Interestingly, he himself stated this is a Slavic Bulgarian region.

You quoted a Serbian historian when you thought it suited your needs. Or do you quote and take only what benefits you? This one way citations and interpretation seems to be a hobby with consequences here.

Needless to say, I do not want to offend any more small weenerd individuals on this Albanian Y-DNA project.

Study of genetics(outside of scientific purposes) is a branch of history, for your information.
Seriously how old are you? Are you going to move on or are you going to carry on bitching and putting words in my mouth? Everybody from Dibra is Bulgarian you happy now.....

[Skerdilaid]

Bulgarian and Slavic propaganda? We were discussing the maternal Y-DNA and autosomal DNA of an leading member in your project. Seems like Kelmendasi and others were offended by their Bulgarian Slavic roots from Golobordo. Interestingly, he himself stated this is a Slavic Bulgarian region.

You quoted a Serbian historian when you thought it suited your needs. Or do you quote and take only what benefits you? This one way citations and interpretation seems to be a hobby with consequences here.

Needless to say, I do not want to offend any more small weenerd individuals on this Albanian Y-DNA project.

Study of genetics(outside of scientific purposes) is a branch of history, for your information.
Listen lady, no one is denying that there is a small slavic minority in Gollobord, but labeling the whole region as such is lunacy. Second, the village where his maternal side come from is Albanian and has been as such ever since its inhabitants can remember, put that through your thick scull.

Most importantly they are V13, a really popular halpo among Albanians. If they were some type of I2a or R1a then there would be something there to discuss about...

[ValarMorghulis]

Listen lady, no one is denying that there is a small slavic minority in Gollobord, but labeling the whole region as such is lunacy. Second, the village where his maternal side come from is Albanian and has been as such ever since its inhabitants can remember, put that through your thick scull.

Most importantly they are V13, a really popular halpo among Albanians. If they were some type of I2a or R1a then there would be something there to discuss about...

Not all R1a and I2a in Albanians May be directly transmitted from Slavic to Albanians. There’s a significant possibility a lot of it entered Albanian ethnos from Vlachs, Northern Greeks or Byzantines that were assimilated from Proto Slavic tribes in the early to middle Middle Ages. Considering the low slavic admixture in Albanians. Of course it depends on their clades and how recent matches from other south slavic populations are. I have seen some clades of v13 on Yfull for instance that I don’t notice in the project(maybe they aren’t participating) that are mostly Serbian and Montenegrin with a couple Ukrainian. Of course one can argue those are assimilated Albanians and even orthodox Albanian that migrated to Ukraine I’m the Middle Ages bit it is still worth mentioning. Have any Albanians in the project appeared in clades common in south Slavs but not in typical Albanian clades? I think this is how the Albanian or Slavic nature is determined if a line. At least in recent history. After all Haplogroups are what? One percent of the genome?

[TrulyBliss]

Seriously how old are you? Are you going to move on or are you going to carry on bitching and putting words in my mouth? Everybody from Dibra is Bulgarian you happy now.....

E flliqe mamane. E flliqe edhe vendin e mamase.

Kujdes kur flet per vendin a mamase e kujdes kur flet per Dibren. Na dhe nje harte te vendit tend, Gollo!

https://preview.ibb.co/jgSZok/Diber3.png

[TrulyBliss]

Listen lady, no one is denying that there is a small slavic minority in Gollobord, but labeling the whole region as such is lunacy. Second, the village where his maternal side come from is Albanian and has been as such ever since its inhabitants can remember, put that through your thick scull.

Most importantly they are V13, a really popular halpo among Albanians. If they were some type of I2a or R1a then there would be something there to discuss about...


Ca ju tu fol mer derr. Ca je tu fol.
Me injorant se ty vallaj, skam pare ndo nje here. Merr trofeun e Koqoves per injorant. Ben mire te mos postosh mendimet e tua, se na flliq edhe ne Arberoret, minoritet te Shqiperise.

[Skerdilaid]

Ca ju tu fol mer derr. Ca je tu fol.
Me injorant se ty vallaj, skam pare ndo nje here. Merr trofeun e Koqoves per injorant. Ben mire te mos postosh mendimet e tua, se na flliq edhe ne Arberoret, minoritet te Shqiperise.

Arberoret, minoritete te Shqiperise? ;) You sllavet jeni shumica atje, apo, kete po done te na thuash? Sic ta kam thene edhe ne ate forumin tjeter, mos i egzagjero gjerat, jeni vetem 11 apo 12 fshate servo-maxhup aty ne gollo. Leje me kaq se na flliqe...

[TrulyBliss]

Arberoret, minoritete te Shqiperise? ;) You sllavet jeni shumica atje, apo, kete po done te na thuash? Sic ta kam thene edhe ne ate forumin tjeter, mos i egzagjero gjerat, jeni vetem 11 apo 12 fshate servo-maxhup aty ne gollo. Leje me kaq se na flliqe...

Kur u bet ju Koqevaret me u mat me Dibranet ore? Sjan malokt e Shkodres, e jo ju pleshtat e Koqoves, qe ju kemi shkerdhyer kur na ka dash qefi e si na ka dash qefi. Meso pak historine tende e na thuaj se nga cila ane e Serbise na dolet ju Koqevaret. Se per ty, na ke then vete qe je nga fiset Serbe te Malitzi. ;)

[Kelmendasi]

E flliqe mamane. E flliqe edhe vendin e mamase.

Kujdes kur flet per vendin a mamase e kujdes kur flet per Dibren. Na dhe nje harte te vendit tend, Gollo!

[mg]https://preview.ibb.co/jgSZok/Diber3.png[/img]
E kam flliqe une apo ti ca e thret Shqiptart i krahines Bullgar? O majmuni i Bullgarise, mos me kallxo mu se ca me pas kujdes se nuk t'ka friken kerkush.

[Kelmendasi]

Kur u bet ju Koqevaret me u mat me Dibranet ore? Sjan malokt e Shkodres, e jo ju pleshtat e Koqoves, qe ju kemi shkerdhyer kur na ka dash qefi e si na ka dash qefi. Meso pak historine tende e na thuaj se nga cila ane e Serbise na dolet ju Koqevaret. Se per ty, na ke then vete qe je nga fiset Serbe te Malitzi. ;)
Skerdi ka thane gjithmone se asht prej fisit Thaqi, prej Pukes me origjine. Pse ki qef me ja fut kot kaq shume?