Debunking the moderate Muslim majority myth

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I am creating this thread to debate on the socio-cultural implications and consequences that the so called "moderate" Islam can have in Europe and as well as a response to the TA members that think that the "radical" Islamic "minority" is the only problem that should be addressed

Annually our governments spend millions in domestic intelligence and security services to protect our citizens from Islamic jihadism, also known as "the radical Islamic minority". While they focus on the so called radical minority, they utterly fail to see the impact of the so called moderate majority.

I happen to believe that what is called moderate Islam is far more dangerous than the radical in the long term, since it steadily grows and "silently" annihilates the host nations. Islamic jihad has many faces and this is just one of them, it doesn't necessarily have to implicate violence as a measure to achieve its purposes.
It is virtually impossible for a Muslim to live in a non-Islamic majority society without holding a moral or spiritual obligation to attempt to convert others, be it by dissimulation or in the last case scenario by force.

Jihad is not only about slaughtering people in the name of Islam. It is also a systematic suppression of truth and the propagation of lies. Otherwise, how could "moderate" Muslims assert - despite strong evidence to the contrary - that Islam is a peaceful religion?

After many years of war on terror, we continue to hear the expression "Islam is the religion of peace". While such moderate Muslims use the phrase for obvious reasons, those who know Islam use the same expression in a sarcastic way. Islam can not survive without Jihad because Jihad is its life-giving force. Muslims who are against Jihad have no place in Islam, they are seen as infidels.
Violence against the non-Muslims is not a misrepresentation of Islam as many ignorantly like to point out, but is repeatedly confirmed in the Qur'an and the codes of each school of Islamic jurisprudence.

The only difference between a peaceful Muslim and a terrorist is that terrorists are ostensibly at work and are not shy about presenting their agenda to non-Muslims, while the moderates work quietly and therefore are hypocrites. Muslims are not a trustworthy minority, for as soon as their numbers and strength increase they will demand to impose their Islamic laws and systems upon the host country. In fact, the Qur'an instructs them not to live as minorities but to take control. Ultimately their loyalty is always to Islam, not to any national frontiers.

The noblest goal of any given Muslim is to help Islam rule the world; these "moderates" brazenly attempt to deceive the infidels with their distorted logic and pathological lies. They always repeat the same lies over and over again, believing they will come true by repetition. If necessary, they may distort the meaning of Qur'anic verses according to their selfish needs. This is even encouraged and is known as Al-Taqiyya: basically they can lie to achieve their ultimate purposes. That's why the so called "moderate" Muslims can give long speeches about human rights and democratic values (absolutely contrary to their faith) and sing the peaceful verses of the Qur'an; but once Islam becomes the majority, the singing verses will have another set-up.

In reality, moderate Islam does not exist. Neither a moderate Muslim. A "moderate" Muslim makes as much sense as a "moderate" Nazi. In an army, not everyone carries a weapon. There are many noncombatant members, such as accountants, cooks, fund raisers, logistics specialists, doctors, nurses or recruits - who may play only a passive role. However, they all have the same goal: to defeat the enemy. Similarly, there are several ways to support jihad and the implementation of Islam. This goes from the suicide bomber to the lady-burka that gives birth to a dozen children because a large family pleases Allah.

The "moderate" Muslims we know are playing this passive support role, and the ultimate goal is to conquer the world for Islam by cleansing it from the infidels and its civilization until there is no one left.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Waiting for opposing viewpoints (or supporting) from Muslims and non-Muslims.

[Anglojew]

The radicals come from the moderates eg any Muslim can turn radical at anytime and in fact the more religious they are the more likely this is

[itilvolga]

ohh.. so i am an evil. fuck, i must knew it before

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

ohh.. so i am an evil. fuck, i must knew it before


You are not necessarily inherently evil but you do endorse a religion\ideology that is unquestionably violent and backwards.

Actually if I remember correctly, this German kid that used to be a member with whom you got along with apparently converted to Islam after getting in touch with you. It gives full support to my assessment that Muslims have the moral obligation of manipulating and converting others.

[itilvolga]

You are not necessarily inherently evil but you do endorse a religion\ideology that is unquestionably violent and backwards.

Actually if I remember correctly, this German kid that used to be a member with whom you got along with apparently converted to Islam after getting in touch with you. It gives full support to my assessment that Muslims have the moral obligation of manipulating and converting others.

I did not force anyone to convert Islam, listen i really do not want to talk about it but he was reading Qur’an and interested in Islam. He even visited mosque in Germany many times (i did not want it from him at all), also i bet he has a crush with another Muslim (most likely Turkish) after me so he had a potential, otherwise do not think like i said “if you do not become muslim, i will not marry you” lol

Also personally i am confused about being Muslim because of other Muslims’ behavior, it makes me very irritated but as i said before, i have no any problem with my religion, only with its uneducated followers. I have plenty of friends from European countries and most of them are racist or nationalist, just imagine if i were someone like you guess, would they even talk with me? I do not think so.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I did not force anyone to convert Islam, listen i really do not want to talk about it but he was reading Qur’an and interested in Islam. He even visited mosque in Germany many times (i did not want it from him at all), also i bet he has a crush with another Muslim (most likely Turkish) after me so he had a potential, otherwise do not think like i said “if you do not become muslim, i will not marry you” lol

You might not have said that you wouldn't date or marry someone who isn't a Muslim...but would you really be able to date or marry someone who isn't a Muslim? :) I don't think so and we all know that most Muslims wouldn't unless their partners convert to Islam. So if anyone wants to have a chance with you and is not a Muslim, he better start considering becoming one.


Also personally i am confused about being Muslim because of other Muslims’ behavior, it makes me very irritated but as i said before, i have no any problem with my religion, only with its uneducated followers. I have plenty of friends from European countries and most of them are racist or nationalist, just imagine if i were someone like you guess, would they even talk with me? I do not think so.

There is nothing wrong with other Muslim behaviours from a Qu'ranic perspective and like Anglojew said, there's nothing un-Islamic about their actions. Actually, have you tried to wonder for a while why the regions you dislike the most happen to be from East Turkey and the Arab world? Could it because they are even stricter followers of Islam than you are?

[itilvolga]

You might not have said that you wouldn't date or marry someone who isn't a Muslim...but would you really be able to date or marry someone who isn't a Muslim? :) I don't think so and we all know that most Muslims wouldn't unless their partners convert to Islam. So if anyone wants to have a chance with you and is not a Muslim, he better start considering becoming one.



There is nothing wrong with other Muslim behaviours from a Qu'ranic perspective and like Anglojew said, there's nothing un-Islamic about their actions. Actually, have you tried to wonder for a while why the regions you dislike the most happen to be from East Turkey and the Arab world? Could it because they are even stricter followers of Islam than you are?

What’s my fault about it if he wanted to convert Islam? He was asking me many questions about Islamic opinions and i replied him whenever i had some true answers for him. So he decided to convert after a year, that is the whole story. Also he was not Christian before. He was an agnostic who has an atheist father and christian mother. I did not make him confused about religions and beliefs i mean, he was already confused...

I do not believe that Qur’an is an evil. It has subjective meanings, that is why everyone gets different meanings when they read it. If you wanna find smth evil in Qur’an, you will find it because your perspective will controle your brain to find smth bad in it but if your purpose is different, you will face with many other meanings and it has enough power to effect you. At least i think so.

If i were you, i would not consider Muslims generally evil as much as you do. I am agree that most of the Muslims have clearly opposite views to you but i am not one of them, also i know many Muslims who are same with me.

[IncelSlayer]

You are not necessarily inherently evil but you do endorse a religion\ideology that is unquestionably violent and backwards.

Actually if I remember correctly, this German kid that used to be a member with whom you got along with apparently converted to Islam after getting in touch with you. It gives full support to my assessment that Muslims have the moral obligation of manipulating and converting others.

Great point, Viriato, as always!Don't forget that we also never heard a word from him, after he converted.Surely he has joined ISIS or other Islamic terrorist groups, like all muslims do, eventually, and is killing christians , right as we speak.Moderators, and especially christian ones like loki, should keep an eye on this girl, itilvolga, God knows who will be the next fool to fall in her trap, she has already tried her tricks on me,but by God almighty grace I have rebuked her every time!

[Thanas Django]

I did not force anyone to convert Islam, listen i really do not want to talk about it but he was reading Qur’an and interested in Islam. He even visited mosque in Germany many times (i did not want it from him at all), also i bet he has a crush with another Muslim (most likely Turkish) after me so he had a potential, otherwise do not think like i said “if you do not become muslim, i will not marry you” lol

Also personally i am confused about being Muslim because of other Muslims’ behavior, it makes me very irritated but as i said before, i have no any problem with my religion, only with its uneducated followers. I have plenty of friends from European countries and most of them are racist or nationalist, just imagine if i were someone like you guess, would they even talk with me? I do not think so.

The way you think others judge you is very much a reflection of the way you judge others.

You paint really thick brush strokes over everything.

When I was in Germany, I taught English to many Turkish children and became a friend to many Turkish parents. Only one Kebab shop owner showed mistrust or hatred when I told him I was Greek Cypriot, but after that one incident he gave me presents every time I visited him and was really friendly to me.

Personally, I think that you are really entitled and should get off your high horse. You can share your opinion on different topics, but you are in no position to judge anything or anyone.

[itilvolga]

Great point, Viriato, as always!Don't forget that we also never heard a word from him, after he converted.Surely he has joined ISIS or other Islamic terrorist groups, like all muslims do, eventually, and is killing christians , right as we speak.Moderators, and especially christian ones like loki, should keep an eye on this girl, itilvolga, God knows who will be the next fool to fall in her trap, she has already tried her tricks on me,but by God almighty grace I have rebuked her every time!

That’s enough. I am reporting you.

[Thanas Django]

I did not force anyone to convert Islam, listen i really do not want to talk about it but he was reading Qur’an and interested in Islam. He even visited mosque in Germany many times (i did not want it from him at all), also i bet he has a crush with another Muslim (most likely Turkish) after me so he had a potential, otherwise do not think like i said “if you do not become muslim, i will not marry you” lol

Also personally i am confused about being Muslim because of other Muslims’ behavior, it makes me very irritated but as i said before, i have no any problem with my religion, only with its uneducated followers. I have plenty of friends from European countries and most of them are racist or nationalist, just imagine if i were someone like you guess, would they even talk with me? I do not think so.

The way you think others judge you is very much a reflection of the way you judge others.

You paint really thick brush strokes over everything.

When I was in Germany, I taught English to many Turkish children and became a friend to many Turkish parents. Only one Kebab shop owner showed mistrust or hatred when I told him I was Greek Cypriot, but after that one incident he gave me presents every time I visited him and was really friendly to me.

Personally, I think that you are really entitled and should get off your high horse. You can share your opinion on different topics, but you are in no position to judge anything or anyone.

You are definitely not a victim of anyone. In fact you just sound off like an upper middle class girl trying to be important. If Islam was important to you, you would be wearing a headscarf, but it's not and that's absolutely ok. Congrats, you are a normal human being.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I do not believe that Qur’an is an evil. It has subjective meanings, that is why everyone gets different meanings when they read it. If you wanna find smth evil in Qur’an, you will find it because your perspective will controle your brain to find smth bad in it but if your purpose is different, you will face with many other meanings and it has enough power to effect you. At least i think so.

If i were you, i would not consider Muslims generally evil as much as you do. I am agree that most of the Muslims have clearly opposite views to you but i am not one of them, also i know many Muslims who are same with me.

If by "subjective meanings" you mean "different interpretations" and if by "interpretation" you mean to change the meaning to suit one's own whims, then it is not allowed in Islam. If there is something that most Muslims seem to agree with is that the Qu'ran is very clear.

The incitations to violence in the Qu'ran are not subjective or a mere misrepresentation by their followers. Like I have said in the initial post, they are repeatedly confirmed in the Qur'an and in the codes of each school of Islamic jurisprudence. Muhammad even stated that the highest kind of jihad is "The person who is killed whilst spilling the last of his blood" (Ahmed 4/144). There is nothing subjective about this.

I feel bad for people who seek morality and guidance in the Qu'ran. Good natured people will always be in constant conflict with it. They might see its imperfections but at the same time not question it because that is what they were taught not to do. It is the unshakable word of God after all...

In a attempt of self-delusion religious people will always pick and choose the laws and commandments that appeal to them and disregard the others (Christians and Jews do this as well, it is not something exclusive to Muslims).

[Shqipez]

What’s my fault about it if he wanted to convert Islam? He was asking me many questions about Islamic opinions and i replied him whenever i had some true answers for him. So he decided to convert after a year, that is the whole story. Also he was not Christian before. He was an agnostic who has an atheist father and christian mother. I did not make him confused about religions and beliefs i mean, he was already confused...

I do not believe that Qur’an is an evil. It has subjective meanings, that is why everyone gets different meanings when they read it. If you wanna find smth evil in Qur’an, you will find it because your perspective will controle your brain to find smth bad in it but if your purpose is different, you will face with many other meanings and it has enough power to effect you. At least i think so.

If i were you, i would not consider Muslims generally evil as much as you do. I am agree that most of the Muslims have clearly opposite views to you but i am not one of them, also i know many Muslims who are same with me.

I wasn't much convinced by the anti Islamic arguments in this thread , seems more like anti Islamists suffer from paranoia . The fact he accuses you of converting some dude to Islam shows this. The OP's arguments seem mostly based on paranoia like there is some Muslim plot to take over the world. I have had both Christians and Muslims trying to convert me and never fell for it thanks to my own education on these matters.

If there are no moderate Muslims then there are no moderate Christians or Jews. The Quran isn't anymore violent than these.

[itilvolga]

The way you think others judge you is very much a reflection of the way you judge others.

You paint really thick brush strokes over everything.

When I was in Germany, I taught English to many Turkish children and became a friend to many Turkish parents. Only one Kebab shop owner showed mistrust or hatred when I told him I was Greek Cypriot, but after that one incident he gave me presents every time I visited him and was really friendly to me.

Personally, I think that you are really entitled and should get off your high horse. You can share your opinion on different topics, but you are in no position to judge anything or anyone.

I was judging my own people (Muslims) and i think that i have right to do that because they also represent me, still i was talking about only a radical group.

But if you mean the guy, i did not judge him. I just explained his way and he was not forced to do anything. That is all

[itilvolga]

If by "subjective meanings" you mean "different interpretations" and if by "interpretation" you mean to change the meaning to suit one's own whims, then it is not allowed in Islam. If there is something that most Muslims seem to agree with is that the Qu'ran is very clear.

The incitations to violence in the Qu'ran are not subjective or a mere misrepresentation by their followers. Like I have said in the initial post, they are repeatedly confirmed in the Qur'an and in the codes of each school of Islamic jurisprudence. Muhammad even stated that the highest kind of jihad is "The person who is killed whilst spilling the last of his blood" (Ahmed 4/144). There is nothing subjective about this.

I feel bad for people who seek morality and guidance in the Qu'ran. Good natured people will always be in constant conflict with it. They might see its imperfections but at the same time not question it because that is what they were taught not to do. It is the unshakable word of God after all...

In a attempt of self-delusion religious people will always pick and choose the laws and commandments that appeal to them and disregard the others (Christians and Jews do this as well, it is not something exclusive to Muslims).

You can not generalize Qur’an with a few sentences but my main purpose was not discussing about it. I respect your opinion.

[IncelSlayer]

That’s enough. I am reporting you.

You're reporting me for not converting to Islam and willingly condemning my soul to eternal damnation,alongside Hitler,Pope Benedict and Michael Jackson? :lmao That's not part of this forum RULES (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?143192-Forum-Rules).You should take your time to read them,before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

[itilvolga]

You're reporting me for not converting to Islam and willingly condemning my soul to eternal damnation,alongside Hitler,Pope Benedict and Michael Jackson? :lmao That's not part of this forum RULES (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?143192-Forum-Rules).You should take your time to read them,before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

“she has already tried her tricks on me,but by God almighty grace I have rebuked her every time!”
You said it. You have to prove your words. That is really enough, i am really tired of your childish behaviours. You do not have any right to lie about me here. You must read the rules, not me.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I wasn't much convinced by the anti Islamic arguments in this thread , seems more like anti Islamists suffer from paranoia . The fact he accuses you of converting some dude to Islam shows this. The OP's arguments seem mostly based on paranoia like there is some Muslim plot to take over the world. I have had both Christians and Muslims trying to convert me and never fell for it thanks to my own education on these matters.

If there are no moderate Muslims then there are no moderate Christians or Jews. The Quran isn't anymore violent than these.

I am openly anti-Islam, Islamophobic or whatever you want to name it.

Actually, the nature of the words Islamophobic and Islamophobia are paradoxical and self-contradicting because a phobia is an irrational fear and there's nothing irrational about fearing Islam or finding it loathsome. I would go as far as saying that it is crystal clear and fairly logical why we should be apprehensive about it.

It is not a plot, there are reliable estimations that the Muslim population will triple by 2050. There are as well countless prophetic scriptures in the Qur'an that mention that Islam will rule the world by the end of time so trying to be edgy with "as if Muslims wanted to take over the world" doesn't make much sense.

[Mortimer]

I did not force anyone to convert Islam, listen i really do not want to talk about it but he was reading Qur’an and interested in Islam. He even visited mosque in Germany many times (i did not want it from him at all), also i bet he has a crush with another Muslim (most likely Turkish) after me so he had a potential, otherwise do not think like i said “if you do not become muslim, i will not marry you” lol

Also personally i am confused about being Muslim because of other Muslims’ behavior, it makes me very irritated but as i said before, i have no any problem with my religion, only with its uneducated followers. I have plenty of friends from European countries and most of them are racist or nationalist, just imagine if i were someone like you guess, would they even talk with me? I do not think so.

Im ok with muslims like you

[Shqipez]

I am openly anti-Islam, Islamophobic or whatever you want to name it.

Actually, the nature of the words Islamophobic and Islamophobia are paradoxical and self-contradicting because a phobia is an irrational fear and there's nothing irrational about fearing Islam or finding it loathsome. I would go as far as saying that it is crystal clear and fairly logical why we should be apprehensive about it.



I don't like any religion. But I never had a problem with Albanian Muslims and they never tried to force their beliefs onto me despite many of them were devout. I do believe there are moderate Muslims. In many world parts Muslims are victims themselves. What about the killings of Muslims in Myanmar?

How about we also mention the fact that Muslims are the biggest victims of groups like ISIS and other radical groups ?

Every time a bomb goes off in Europe the whole world mourns but how about we address the fact that such things happen everyday in the Middle East and Muslims themselves are it's biggest victims ? ISIS killed more Muslims than non Muslims.

And they are hardly practicing Islam. There is no verse in the Qur'an that claims you should kill innocent people, rape their women and sell drugs because this is exactly what these radical groups are living off. They live off pillaging. They are making huge money out of it.

There are verses that claim you should fight the unbelievers but it's context is different. And can be interpreted differently.

People do have a tendency to get defensive when you question their religion or identity but this isn't just a Muslim thing , you see such patterns even among nationalists and other religions.





It is not a plot, there are reliable estimations that the Muslim population will triple by 2050.


This is mostly due to higher birth rates and it isn't a plot.




There are as well countless prophetic scriptures in the Qur'an that mention that Islam will rule the world by the end of time so trying to be edgy with "as if Muslims wanted to take over the world" doesn't make much sense.


There is also a verse in the Qur'an that claims women will rule the world which is already happening in many world parts.


And do you actually think the average Muslim has read the whole Quran and interpreted everything correctly and is now looking to fullfill the mission of Muslim world domination ? I don't.

A large chunk of them have no idea about their own religion. Not even Christians do.

[Mr. Anybody]

dont spend your time talking with her(itil).

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I don't like any religion. But I never had a problem with Albanian Muslims and they never tried to force their beliefs onto me despite many of them were devout. I do believe there are moderate Muslims. In many world parts Muslims are victims themselves. What about the killings of Muslims in Myanmar?

How about we also mention the fact that Muslims are the biggest victims of groups like ISIS and other radical groups ?

Every time a bomb goes off in Europe the whole world mourns but how about we address the fact that such things happen everyday in the Middle East and Muslims themselves are it's biggest victims ? ISIS killed more Muslims than non Muslims.

And they are hardly practicing Islam. There is no verse in the Qur'an that claims you should kill innocent people, rape their women and sell drugs because this is exactly what these radical groups are living off. They live off pillaging. They are making huge money out of it.

There are verses that claim you should fight the unbelievers but it's context is different. And can be interpreted differently.

People do have a tendency to get defensive when you question their religion or identity but this isn't just a Muslim thing , you see such patterns even among nationalists and other religions.




This is mostly due to higher birth rates and it isn't a plot.



There is also a verse in the Qur'an that claims women will rule the world which is already happening in many world parts.


And do you actually think the average Muslim has read the whole Quran and interpreted everything correctly and is now looking to fullfill the mission of Muslim world domination ? I don't.

A large chunk of them have no idea about their own religion. Not even Christians do.

I never had a problem with Catholics I encounter every day in Portugal as well, that doesn't mean that what they believe in makes sense.

Muslims being the biggest victims of Islam just goes to prove once again its despicable and vile nature because interpretations of Islam are always on the origin and justications of all that havoc.

Isis is the embodiment of most Islamic teachings. How can you say that the are no verses in support of killing people?

“Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout” (Quran 9:5).

The Qu'ran also accepts slavery, they just don't call it "slaves" but rather ma malakat aymanukum ("that which your right hands own"). The legal material on slavery in the Qur'an is mainly about manumission and sexual relations. We know that they are enslaving and raping women but in their heads they are behaving in accordance with Islamic scripture.

We need to stop using religious vacuums as an excuse for violence and not the reason for it. It is very easy to say that everything bad that has ever happened is because someone misinterpreted the scriptures when it is obvious that it is because they actually just followed what is clearly stated in there.

[Kaspias]

I don't like any religion. But I never had a problem with Albanian Muslims and they never tried to force their beliefs onto me despite many of them were devout. I do believe there are moderate Muslims. In many world parts Muslims are victims themselves. What about the killings of Muslims in Myanmar?

How about we also mention the fact that Muslims are the biggest victims of groups like ISIS and other radical groups ?

Every time a bomb goes off in Europe the whole world mourns but how about we address the fact that such things happen everyday in the Middle East and Muslims themselves are it's biggest victims ? ISIS killed more Muslims than non Muslims.

And they are hardly practicing Islam. There is no verse in the Qur'an that claims you should kill innocent people, rape their women and sell drugs because this is exactly what these radical groups are living off. They live off pillaging. They are making huge money out of it.

There are verses that claim you should fight the unbelievers but it's context is different. And can be interpreted differently.

People do have a tendency to get defensive when you question their religion or identity but this isn't just a Muslim thing , you see such patterns even among nationalists and other religions.




This is mostly due to higher birth rates and it isn't a plot.



There is also a verse in the Qur'an that claims women will rule the world which is already happening in many world parts.


And do you actually think the average Muslim has read the whole Quran and interpreted everything correctly and is now looking to fullfill the mission of Muslim world domination ? I don't.

A large chunk of them have no idea about their own religion. Not even Christians do.

+99999999999999999.

[Georgia]

It really doesn’t matter if Muslims as individuals are good people or not or whether the majority of them hold moderate or radical views.

Islam is an alien culture and we are under no obligation to accept it in Europe.

[Dandelion]

Well, Bari was an Albanian muslim and he had issues IMO. He's not banned so I feel no guilt saying this here. :p Just a run-of-the-mill salafist like you have them of every ethnicity and not good to have in a Western society.

He said many times before he's in support of sharia zones in the West and increasing violent coercion as Islam grows.

[Marmara]

Muslims are shit but Islam = Christianity.

[Incal]

Any muslim, whether "moderate" or "radical" is not to be trusted. They can be manipulated very easily.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Muslims are shit but Islam = Christianity.

Not true. If you look at the actual impact that different religions have on the world it's quite clear that at present the most evil religion in the world has to be Islam by a large margin.

[Joso]

Muslims are shit but Islam = Christianity.

Yes, Christians don't have Erdogan in their countries, unfortunately

[Smeagol]

There's no such thing as a moderate muslim.

[arkas]

The goal of Islam is to establish a caliphate, not all Muslims are aware of this but it is what happens regardless.

http://i.imgur.com/Y1xT1dT.gif

[Luca]

Great point, Viriato, as always!Don't forget that we also never heard a word from him, after he converted.Surely he has joined ISIS or other Islamic terrorist groups, like all muslims do, eventually, and is killing christians

Hahaha, I am sure I did not join ISIS, otherwise I would have noticed that myself.
Well, I am that guy you talked about. And yeah, I converted half a year ago. Partly because of my own interest, partly because Itilvolga pressured me into it.
But your thought that all muslims are secretly pro-isis is just stupid and you should educate yourself.

If anyone wonders, I stopped following islam some time ago though.
After Itilvolga left me I fell into deep depression and my friends offered me drugs. Since then I manage my life much better.
My breakthrough was after taking Psilocybin with MDA/MDMA & Amphetamines and since then I started seeing patterns all over the world again and think in mathematics all the time (which is the reason I study math at uni now).
This lead me to the conclusion that the true answer to all the complexity of this universe must be emergent from simple patterns that repeat themselves over and over.
If any of you ever read a physics book, you could see that for yourselves.
But you have nothing better to do, than to sit in some dark corner of the internet and discuss your imaginary friends with each other.

Actually, I think you guys know yourselves that there is no objective truth in what you believe.
If you would open your eyes just a little and move out of your comfort-zone, I think you will see that life and reality has much more to offer than just some silly god.
There is so much beauty in the world you miss out on, by limiting yourselves.
For example, look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCpLWbHVNhk
this is the mandelbrot set. No god created it. It is just the visualization of the equation z = z^2+c


God knows who will be the next fool to fall in her trap
Don't call me a fool you little fat fuck :D
I did not fall for any traps. I enjoy life to the fullest and like new experiences and learning from people. That's all. I regret nothing.

[Phenix]

Islam is first and foremost a militarized political ideology, you can not separate the active branch (the so-called extremists) from the passive masses (a.k.a the moderates).
But i expect to see a slow secularization of muslim societies in the next decades to come, muslims like all the overly religious people will eventually get tired from this ideology and will throw it off, they begin to understand that this religion have undivine unreformable precepts and obsolete social framework.

[IncelSlayer]

LOL this really takes the cake. look who grave digged a thread, exactly where I call itilvolga out and she has her last post.You were stalking the profile of the girl who converted you to Islam and then left you,like the typical nancy boy.Almost puked my dinner :puke


I converted half a year ago. Partly because of my own interest, partly because Itilvolga pressured me into it.


lmfaooo and she said that she didn't pressure you at all.Where is Teutone to tell me these stories are isolated cases? I rest my case.

[rein]

You are not necessarily inherently evil but you do endorse a religion\ideology that is unquestionably violent and backwards.

Actually if I remember correctly, this German kid that used to be a member with whom you got along with apparently converted to Islam after getting in touch with you. It gives full support to my assessment that Muslims have the moral obligation of manipulating and converting others.

He converted because he wanted to date her. That’s common when a guy wants to marry a Muslim girl.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

partly because Itilvolga pressured me into it.


It gives full support to my assessment that Muslims have the moral obligation of manipulating and converting others.

[Luca]

LOL this really takes the cake. look who grave digged a thread, exactly where I call itilvolga out and she has her last post.You were stalking the profile of the girl who converted you to Islam and then left you,like the typical nancy boy.Almost puked my dinner :puke



lmfaooo and she said that she didn't pressure you at all.Where is Teutone to tell me these stories are isolated cases? I rest my case.

Some friend of hers contacted me. this is why I looked at this thread

[Bosniensis]

European muslims are byzantines and illyrians and trust me we have absolutely no intention to debate our status with Germany, France, USA or anyone else. We don't have to... we don't consider your opinion of any significance.

[Thanas Django]

.

European Muslims are obsolete leftovers of the Turkish Empire in Europe and the only thing European about them is their geography. In all other cultural aspects they are very much like their Saharan shithole country counterparts and only excel in drug and woman trafficking. One day, I will write a book about it.

[Watson]

European muslims are byzantines and illyrians and trust me we have absolutely no intention to debate our status with Germany, France, USA or anyone else. We don't have to... we don't consider your opinion of any significance.

european muslims are turkish bootlickers who ceased to be europeans. we have no intention to debate about your status we don't consider your opinion of any significance.

[The Lawspeaker]

A moderate Muslim is like Communist CEO or a Nazi running AIPAC.