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Sikeliot
10-15-2017, 12:46 AM
To me, it is the following:

1. Mainland Greeks and southern Italians. The former are no closer to the latter than to Balkan Slavs, and are closer to Albanians than to ANY type of Italian, from a genetic point of view. You can model Greeks as 70-75% Sicilian and the rest Polish or Russian, and Sicilians and southern Italians as 70-75% Greek and 25-30% Levantine. These differences could not possibly not show phenotypically and to suggest otherwise defies common sense.

2. English vs Irish/Scottish/Welsh: the former are NOT Anglo-Saxon invaders and the latter pure Celts. The British Isles are so mixed with one another and all of these as well as all NW Euros share a common Bell Beaker base. Apart from SE England, which is still genetically overlapping with even Ireland to some extent, this assumption falls flat: many Scots have Anglo-Saxon input as well as Viking on par with some parts of England, parts of Ireland such as Leinster have significant British input, southwest Scotland has Irish input. The Welsh, if any, are the only ones who are isolated and even they have not remained unmixed.

3. Cypriots are significantly Levantine and Pontic Greeks are significantly Caucasian. Enough said.

4. Southern French are genetically significantly "north" of North Italians and Iberians. Regardless of appearance. No part of France is wholesale Northern or Southern European.. from Normandy to Nice, they're all intermediate.

5. Madeiran Portuguese and Canarian Spaniards have a small amount of African ancestry from the slave trade. It shows in haplogroups and on a low level, autosomally and has been confirmed by peer reviewed studies as well as GEDmatch and 23andme results.

RN97
10-15-2017, 12:55 AM
Southern French are genetically significantly "north" of North Italians and Iberians
Ohrly?
Where u getting that from?

Sikeliot
10-15-2017, 12:56 AM
Southern French are genetically significantly "north" of North Italians and Iberians
Ohrly?
Where u getting that from?

Averages on GEDmatch calculators where there is a South French sample, as well as individual results that have been posted across these forums.

RN97
10-15-2017, 12:59 AM
Averages on GEDmatch calculators where there is a South French sample, as well as individual results that have been posted across these forums.

There is genetic continuity from Iberia to s. France.
https://i.imgur.com/Lp5wneu.jpg

Sikeliot
10-15-2017, 01:01 AM
There is genetic continuity from Iberia to s. France.
https://i.imgur.com/Lp5wneu.jpg

The map is not strictly on a north to south axis, it's on a northwest/southeast one. Even though some French end up near Basques and the more Basque-like Spaniards, Spaniards by contrast are shifted toward Sardinians on there, pulling also toward the bottom right of the plot which is occupied by North Africa.

Token
10-15-2017, 01:05 AM
5. Madeiran Portuguese and Canarian Spaniards have a small amount of African ancestry from the slave trade. It shows in haplogroups and on a low level, autosomally and has been confirmed by peer reviewed studies as well as GEDmatch and 23andme results.
Not everyone, just like in Brazil: there's a high percentage of White people with some African ancestry, even if it's very tiny, but some don't have it. Obviously, Madeirans and Brazilians aren't comparable, the African influence in the former is negligible while in Brazil it's very high.

Sikeliot
10-15-2017, 01:09 AM
Not everyone, just like in Brazil: there's a high percentage of White people with some African ancestry, even if it's very tiny, but some don't have it. Obviously, Madeirans and Brazilians aren't comparable, the African influence in the former is negligible while in Brazil it's very high.

Madeira is comparable to white US southerners or white South Africans. A portion of them have residual amounts of SSA above 1% from the last 500 years.

Token
10-15-2017, 01:14 AM
Madeira is comparable to white US southerners or white South Africans. A portion of them have residual amounts of SSA above 1% from the last 500 years.
Yes, some of them but not everyone.


4. Southern French are genetically significantly "north" of North Italians and Iberians. Regardless of appearance. No part of France is wholesale Northern or Southern European.. from Normandy to Nice, they're all intermediate.
Northeastern Italians plot north of Southern French.

RN97
10-15-2017, 01:16 AM
The map is not strictly on a north to south axis, it's on a northwest/southeast one. Even though some French end up near Basques and the more Basque-like Spaniards, Spaniards by contrast are shifted toward Sardinians on there, pulling also toward the bottom right of the plot which is occupied by North Africa.

I know that smartass. West is north, south is west. The s. French and north Spaniards have genetic continuity. You need to grasp these PCA maps better bruv. The thing is that sampling is not always so representative of the whole of Europe. Some areas are often left out, but in general there is genetic continuity throughout Europe.

Sikeliot
10-15-2017, 01:21 AM
I know that smartass. West is north, south is west. The s. French and north Spaniards have genetic continuity. You need to grasp these PCA maps better bruv. The thing is that sampling is not always so representative of the whole of Europe. Some areas are often left out, but in general there is genetic continuity throughout Europe.

Continuity yes but the southern French are still less "southern" than 90% of Spaniards.

While you're at it, the plot clearly shows the Greeks (with the exception of an outlier who is drifting toward Armenia and may be Pontian) closer to Albanians and Bulgarians than to the Sicilians or Maltese...