MagnusAurelius
10-15-2017, 01:27 AM
I used to think it was only Haplogroup R that was associated with IndoEuropean expansions but it seems like some Northern Neolithic people were associated with IndoEuropeans as well. J2 specifically.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_South_Asia
27% of Punjabis in Pakistan in this 48 man sample, 21% of Punjabi Brahmins in India are J, doesn't say which subtype of J but I am guessing most is J2, I have seen Jatts on anthrogenica who are J. It is also mostly restricted to upper castes so this implies they are most likely associated with IndoEuropean expansion.
The Dravidian Caucasoid Haplogroups of the Indus Valley Civilization were H and L, I am pretty sure most of the H descendants in Harrapan Civilization were men who invaded India to sub-due and live among the Adavasi/Onge tribal populations. Everything will be clear when the Harrapan paper is published.
https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2014/03/31/the-aryan-origin-of-most-iranians-darius-greats-inscription-and-the-propaganda-movie-300/
Haplogroup J2a-M410 in India is largely confined to the upper castes with little occurrence in the middle and lower castes and is completely absent from south Indian tribes and middle and lower castes.
This suggests that, if the occurrence of Haplogroup J2a among modern populations of southern Europe, Central Asia, and South Asia does reflect Neolithic demic diffusion from the Middle East, the source population is more likely to have originated from Anatolia, the Levant or northern Mesopotamia than from regions further south into the arabian peninsula and southern Iraq.
In other words, J2a marker which is found in an average frequency of 25% in Iran would be mainly an Indo-Ayran marker, i.e. those Indo-European people of western Asia. This also works for southern Europeans including Greeks and Italian people.
Compared to the Indo-Aryan J2a marker associated with the ancient Hittites, Mitanni and other Indo-European Anatolian populations, the occurrence of the Semite/South Mesopotamian genetic marker J1 is 40.1% in saudi arabia, 58.3% in Qatar, 72.6% in Yemen, 38.0% in Oman, 34.8% in UAE, 33.3% in Kuwait and only between 9% to 11% in Iran.
https://www.haplogroups.org/haplogroup-j1-is-not-semitic Only a certain subtype of J1 is semetic Arab, the rest is Levant and I don't think J2 is semetic either. My Haplogroup corresponds with Phoenician expansion into the Mediterranean, Phoenecians built their civilization on their own, were far more advanced than the primitive Steppe Aryans who had a primitive Culture and only became more advanced through inter-actions/mixing with the Neolithic BMAC Culture. Haplogroup J with IndoAryans/Iranians may have essentially came from the BMAC Civilization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria%E2%80%93Margiana_Archaeological_Complex#Re lationship_with_Indo-Iranians The original Vedic/Iranian Aryans looked like European Baltic people of today, they looked like White Caucasians, not Brown Caucasians. They mixed with the BMAC Culture extensively, when they invaded India they most likely resembled the Kalash people, they all had fair (my skin tone) - light tan/pale brown skin and around 35% of them had light eyes and 15% with light hair. They were primitive warrior steppe nomads who became advanced through inter-actions with the Neolithic BMAC Culture.
http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2016/09/ancestral-north-south-indians-and-south.html "Onge" on here is a Proxy for ASI, they should have labelled it ASI but this has some great information.
http://www.harappadna.org/2011/06/caste-is-not-ancestrally-arbitrary/ This is a better admixture analysis, the actual indigenous Onge/Adavasi component was separated from ASI.
There they would have encountered farmers of the BMAC culture in Central Asia who were likely quite Neolithic Iranian-like. These Indo-Aryan speakers, likely quite similar to Northeastern Europeans (i.e. Lithuanians), most likely intermixed with farmers in Central Asia and then moved on into Northwestern South Asia (i.e. the Indus Valley) to a pre-modern civilization more or less on the verge of collapsing (The Indus Valley Civilization) and from there; further intermixing with locals seems to have occurred.
http://trueancienthistory.blogspot.ca/2012/12/ancient-symbols.html Swastika on Sumerian pottery.
The ethnic groups who made up the core of Vedic Civilization and have the most ancestry from Vedic Aryans have J frequencies of 20% or more, the Sindhi and the Punjabi's specifically, the Brahui are most likely the Indigenous Dravidian Caucasoids, the direct descendants.
https://i.imgur.com/d6yGMbf.jpg The core of Vedic Civilization where they remained for 500 years before expanding deeper into India was in modern day Punjab. The Highest frequencies of Haplogroup J are in these regions, the Sindhi are direct descendants from the Sindhu Vedic tribe and they have very little indigenous Onge/Adavasi admixture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_South_Asia
27% of Punjabis in Pakistan in this 48 man sample, 21% of Punjabi Brahmins in India are J, doesn't say which subtype of J but I am guessing most is J2, I have seen Jatts on anthrogenica who are J. It is also mostly restricted to upper castes so this implies they are most likely associated with IndoEuropean expansion.
The Dravidian Caucasoid Haplogroups of the Indus Valley Civilization were H and L, I am pretty sure most of the H descendants in Harrapan Civilization were men who invaded India to sub-due and live among the Adavasi/Onge tribal populations. Everything will be clear when the Harrapan paper is published.
https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2014/03/31/the-aryan-origin-of-most-iranians-darius-greats-inscription-and-the-propaganda-movie-300/
Haplogroup J2a-M410 in India is largely confined to the upper castes with little occurrence in the middle and lower castes and is completely absent from south Indian tribes and middle and lower castes.
This suggests that, if the occurrence of Haplogroup J2a among modern populations of southern Europe, Central Asia, and South Asia does reflect Neolithic demic diffusion from the Middle East, the source population is more likely to have originated from Anatolia, the Levant or northern Mesopotamia than from regions further south into the arabian peninsula and southern Iraq.
In other words, J2a marker which is found in an average frequency of 25% in Iran would be mainly an Indo-Ayran marker, i.e. those Indo-European people of western Asia. This also works for southern Europeans including Greeks and Italian people.
Compared to the Indo-Aryan J2a marker associated with the ancient Hittites, Mitanni and other Indo-European Anatolian populations, the occurrence of the Semite/South Mesopotamian genetic marker J1 is 40.1% in saudi arabia, 58.3% in Qatar, 72.6% in Yemen, 38.0% in Oman, 34.8% in UAE, 33.3% in Kuwait and only between 9% to 11% in Iran.
https://www.haplogroups.org/haplogroup-j1-is-not-semitic Only a certain subtype of J1 is semetic Arab, the rest is Levant and I don't think J2 is semetic either. My Haplogroup corresponds with Phoenician expansion into the Mediterranean, Phoenecians built their civilization on their own, were far more advanced than the primitive Steppe Aryans who had a primitive Culture and only became more advanced through inter-actions/mixing with the Neolithic BMAC Culture. Haplogroup J with IndoAryans/Iranians may have essentially came from the BMAC Civilization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria%E2%80%93Margiana_Archaeological_Complex#Re lationship_with_Indo-Iranians The original Vedic/Iranian Aryans looked like European Baltic people of today, they looked like White Caucasians, not Brown Caucasians. They mixed with the BMAC Culture extensively, when they invaded India they most likely resembled the Kalash people, they all had fair (my skin tone) - light tan/pale brown skin and around 35% of them had light eyes and 15% with light hair. They were primitive warrior steppe nomads who became advanced through inter-actions with the Neolithic BMAC Culture.
http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2016/09/ancestral-north-south-indians-and-south.html "Onge" on here is a Proxy for ASI, they should have labelled it ASI but this has some great information.
http://www.harappadna.org/2011/06/caste-is-not-ancestrally-arbitrary/ This is a better admixture analysis, the actual indigenous Onge/Adavasi component was separated from ASI.
There they would have encountered farmers of the BMAC culture in Central Asia who were likely quite Neolithic Iranian-like. These Indo-Aryan speakers, likely quite similar to Northeastern Europeans (i.e. Lithuanians), most likely intermixed with farmers in Central Asia and then moved on into Northwestern South Asia (i.e. the Indus Valley) to a pre-modern civilization more or less on the verge of collapsing (The Indus Valley Civilization) and from there; further intermixing with locals seems to have occurred.
http://trueancienthistory.blogspot.ca/2012/12/ancient-symbols.html Swastika on Sumerian pottery.
The ethnic groups who made up the core of Vedic Civilization and have the most ancestry from Vedic Aryans have J frequencies of 20% or more, the Sindhi and the Punjabi's specifically, the Brahui are most likely the Indigenous Dravidian Caucasoids, the direct descendants.
https://i.imgur.com/d6yGMbf.jpg The core of Vedic Civilization where they remained for 500 years before expanding deeper into India was in modern day Punjab. The Highest frequencies of Haplogroup J are in these regions, the Sindhi are direct descendants from the Sindhu Vedic tribe and they have very little indigenous Onge/Adavasi admixture.