List the countries from best fit to worse for Antonio Decaro, the Mayor of Bari

[Tooting Carmen]

An interesting look.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/482516536335163392/CU9j9-bj_400x400.jpeghttp://bari.repubblica.it/images/2014/01/13/213105223-56efb95f-31c7-402b-a77b-04b4a2a9f204.jpghttp://www.assisioggi.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ANTONIO-DECARO-678x381.jpghttp://www.baripost.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/antonio-decaro.jpghttps://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qWGYzFN1YHg/WddgQqWqUmI/AAAAAAAHFec/nFh7kYGKwbw0dy_M_cJP5vjBPzPrePdcQCLcBGAs/s640/decaro-mare.jpghttp://i2.res.24o.it/images2010/Editrice/ILSOLE24ORE/ILSOLE24ORE/2016/10/13/Politica%20e%20societa/ImmaginiWeb/Ritagli/712614-kC7G--835x437@IlSole24Ore-Web.jpg

Malta, Cyprus, Greece, Spain, Portugal, France, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Croatia, Hungary, Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Switzerland, UK, Ireland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Punjab.

[Sikeliot]

Malta, Cyprus, Turkey, Greece, Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Lebanon, Syria, Spain, Portugal, Romania, Bulgaria, Jordan, Algeria, Tunisia, France, Serbia, Croatia, Egypt.

Unpassable everywhere else, with the Slavic countries fitting the worst (even worse than Punjab and Pakistan).

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyone else?

[Tooting Carmen]

bump

[Sikeliot]

surprised people didn't jump all over this, he looks very MENA :lol:

[Teucer]

He looks very Turkish to me. The square head and, I presume, flatness at the back of the head screams Turkish to me.

[Sikeliot]

He looks very Turkish to me. The square head and, I presume, flatness at the back of the head screams Turkish to me.

His head shape is identical to mine. It is the eye and nose region that look Turkish to me.

[Teucer]

His head shape is identical to mine. It is the eye and nose region that look Turkish to me.

What is it about the eyes. I can understand the nose

[Sikeliot]

What is it about the eyes. I can understand the nose

I am unsure, but when I see him I think Turkish for sure.

It is interesting he is Apulian since phenotypically and genetically, they are much less MENA than Sicilians and Calabrese. I can show you an admixture chart from peer reviewed studies that compares all the south Italian regions with Greece, Italy, and Cypriots.

[Teucer]

I am unsure, but when I see him I think Turkish for sure.

It is interesting he is Apulian since phenotypically and genetically, they are much less MENA than Sicilians and Calabrese. I can show you an admixture chart from peer reviewed studies that compares all the south Italian regions with Greece, Italy, and Cypriots.

Christmas has come early. Send away

[Sikeliot]

https://i.imgur.com/GPjvVoq.png

Left to right:

Albanian Gheg
Albanian Tosk
North Greece
Central Greece
Peloponnese
Calabrese Arbereshe
Sicilian Arbereshe
Apulian Griko
Calabrese Griko, Bovesia
Calabrese Griko, Reggio
Apulian from Lecce
Lucanian from Matera
Cosenza, Calabria
Reggio Calabria
Catania
Ragusa
Enna
Agrigento
Palermo
Trapani
Crete
Dodecanese
Cyprus

[Tooting Carmen]

Here are the councillors from Bari. It must be said that most don't look like him:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?224204-Councillors-from-Southeast-England-Southeast-France-and-Southeast-Italy-compare-and-contrast&p=4707311&viewfull=1#post4707311

[Sikeliot]

Here are the councillors from Bari. It must be said that most don't look like him:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?224204-Councillors-from-Southeast-England-Southeast-France-and-Southeast-Italy-compare-and-contrast&p=4707311&viewfull=1#post4707311

They look like Greeks without any Slavic (and they are more generally "Balkan" than Calabria or Sicily).

[Hungarian_master]

Malta, Cyprus, Turkey, Greece, Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Lebanon, Syria, Spain, Portugal, Romania, Bulgaria, Jordan, Algeria, Tunisia, France, Serbia, Croatia, Egypt.

Unpassable everywhere else, with the Slavic countries fitting the worst (even worse than Punjab and Pakistan).

+1

[Sikeliot]

Ok I didn't word that as well as I should have... you have Sicilians/Calabrese on one hand, mainland Greeks on the other, and Apulians generally fill the gap between them. Genetically is also so.

[Teucer]

https://i.imgur.com/GPjvVoq.png


Cypriots are closest with Calabrese Griko but with a little more Near Eastern and Caucasus. Both have the least European like. That's weird. I would have thought the Griko communities would have more Dorian.

[Sikeliot]

Cypriots are closest with Calabrese Griko but with a little more Near Eastern and Caucasus. Both have the least European like. That's weird. I would have thought the Griko communities would have more Dorian.

Notice also the Calabrese Griko are very close to the Reggio Calabria, Catania, and Palermo samples. The reason they lack Northern input is because the Greek speaking Calabrese refused to mix with Lombards and Normans. But even Cretans and Dodecanese have more of the "European-like" than some of the Sicilian and Calabrese samples.

North Greece has more "European-like" (WHG/BaltoSlavic/etc) than Albanians.

Reggio, Catania, and Palermo are basically like Cypriots with 5-10% North European.

[Teucer]

Notice also the Calabrese Griko are very close to the Reggio Calabria, Catania, and Palermo samples. The reason they lack Northern input is because the Greek speaking Calabrese refused to mix with Lombards and Normans. But even Cretans and Dodecanese have more of the "European-like" than some of the Sicilian and Calabrese samples.

North Greece has more "European-like" (WHG/BaltoSlavic/etc) than Albanians.

Reggio, Catania, and Palermo are basically like Cypriots with 5-10% North European.

Aren't the Griko the descendants of Dorian colonies? They should have more

[Sikeliot]

Aren't the Griko the descendants of Dorian colonies? They should have more

No. Ionian. On the other hand, the Apulian Griko (who have much more northern) are Doric.

But what is more striking to me is the similarity of Reggio Calabria, the Griko from Calabria, Catania, and Palermo.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Magna_Graecia_ancient_colonies_and_dialects-en.svg/1200px-Magna_Graecia_ancient_colonies_and_dialects-en.svg.png

[Teucer]

No. Ionian. On the other hand, the Apulian Griko (who have much more northern) are Doric.

But what is more striking to me is the similarity of Reggio Calabria, the Griko from Calabria, Catania, and Palermo.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Magna_Graecia_ancient_colonies_and_dialects-en.svg/1200px-Magna_Graecia_ancient_colonies_and_dialects-en.svg.png

What does that say to you?

[Sikeliot]

What does that say to you?

That the Ionian Greek settlers of NE Sicily and Calabria came from Anatolia and not Greece. They were likely the Hellenized descendants of indigenous Anatolians, and carried much less "true" Greek DNA than those who went to Apulia.

[Teucer]

That the Ionian Greek settlers of NE Sicily and Calabria came from Anatolia and not Greece. They were likely the Hellenized descendants of indigenous Anatolians, and carried much less "true" Greek DNA than those who went to Apulia.

Why do you assume Anatolians and not the native Sicilians? Do we have any dna of native Sicani?

[Tooting Carmen]

As interesting as this discussion is, we are going rather off-topic (again).

[Sikeliot]

Why do you assume Anatolians and not the native Sicilians? Do we have any dna of native Sicani?

Message me if you want to reply to this as I don't wish to go off topic (even though no one else is replying anyway so what difference does it make? :lol: ).

We have no idea what the native Sicilians were like. I have long believed NE Sicily has the most "native" genes to the island, and that Calabria is a good proxy too. I am just saying *IF* NE Sicily/Calabria have Greek DNA (and they may not have much but just have been Hellenized), it could not possibly be from mainland Greece.

[Teucer]

As interesting as this discussion is, we are going rather off-topic (again).

Sorry, my fault. Not for the first time. I'll make a conscious effort to stop it

[Sikeliot]

But that even Crete and Dodecanese have higher 'Northern' input, is telling.

[Odin]

Best: Southern Europe.
Worse: Northern Europe.