Dinarid phenotype is a warrior phenotype

[Decius]

The Dinarid phenotype or Dinarid subrace is a tall broad headed warrior race from the mountains of south east europe, Many famous Serbian heroes, and other balkan heroes are part of the Dinarid subrace. Dinaric people fought against the ottomans and other invaders with great success.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3J5Ns1_XM4

[Hamlet]

And, their most impressive feat imo, is being great at music. I'm comfortable in saying a majority of the great classical composers were Dinarid to some degree, the most famous of which would be Mozart.

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/50/152550-004-669D4462.jpg

That nose is clearly Dinarid.

[Decius]

And, their most impressive feat imo, is being great at music. I'm comfortable in saying a majority of the great classical composers were Dinarid to some degree, the most famous of which would be Mozart.

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/50/152550-004-669D4462.jpg

That nose is clearly Dinarid.

Nikola Tesla was also Dinaric he was one of the greatest inventors of all time

[Proto-Shaman]

no offence, but they look like Azerbaijanis, Caucasians, Anatolians, Iranians, Turkmenistanis, Tajikistanis and Uyghuristanis.

[Hadouken]

no offence, but they look like Azerbaijanis, Caucasians, Anatolians, Iranians and Turkmenistanis.

what you say is an exeggeration but any resemblance would be because :

1. we have dinarids too (but less)

2. Armenid and Dinarid even though both seperate from each other... can look similar and are similar types

[Proto-Shaman]

Armenid and Dinarid even though both seperate from each other... can look similar and are similar types

Basically related to Pamiro-Iranids, very normal for Dinarids

[Dick]

what you say is an exeggeration but any resemblance would be because :

1. we have dinarids too (but less)

2. Armenid and Dinarid even though both seperate from each other... can look similar and are similar types

You took him seriously? It the squinted eyes and moustaches

[Hadouken]

You took him seriously? It the squinted eyes and moustaches

löl

[Decius]

Basically related to Pamiro-Iranids, very normal for Dinarids

LOL very funny

[Decius]

no offence, but they look like Azerbaijanis, Caucasians, Anatolians, Iranians, Turkmenistanis, Tajikistanis and Uyghuristanis.

They look like Balkan Warriors nothing Caucasian Turkish or West Asian about them

[Proto-Shaman]

too many anthrotards, don't even know the basics of anthropology, just sad...

[Decius]

too many anhtro-retards, don't even know the basics of anhtro, just sad...

Dinaric is Atlanto Med brachycephalized by Alpine it has nothing to do with West asians or mongoloid types as you claim

[katniss]

What warrior phenotype. It is ridiculous nonsense.

People of Montenegro had many wars with Turks due to historical circumstances, but it has nothing to do with phenotype. I doubt racial classification is serious science. It is rather pseudoscience based on half true or total nonsense.

I explained several facts regarding so called dinarics based on my personal observations. I have also tried to connect outdated pseudoscience with reality and modern science.

1. The most dinarized areas in former Yugoslavia are Montenegro, Dalmatia and Herzegovina.

2. Speaking of dinarics, there is phenomenon of dinaric gigantism. It is giant height sometimes accompanied with giant nose bridge. There is opinion that this phenomenon is caused by natural environment and chemical composition of the soil in Dinaric area from Dalmatia to the northern Albania. It makes dinarization more obvious and striking. Today, this phenomenon is present much more among older population.

3. If we try to connect sucbraces and haplogroups, then "dinaric race" is connected with carriers of I2 din haplogroup, while dinarized mediterannians (Albania, Greece) are carriers of other haplogroups. My guess: I2 din carriers - dinarics; R1a - diverse looking; what people called "Slavic looking"; E1b and other non Slavic hg - pontids (Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Bosnia), dinarized meditteranians (Albania, Greece), east meds (Greece).

4. South Slavic speaking dinarics ranges from light pigmented and medium pigmented to darker pigmented or from slight dinarization to the extreme cases of dinaric gigantism.

5. Majority of South Slavic dinarics are just slightly or medium dinarized, so most of them would not be classified as dinarics by "experts" of this forum.

6. South Slavic dinarics tend to be lighter pigmented in Bosnia, darker pigmented in Dalmatia and Montenegro.

7. Female examples are more refined. One should take into consideration that women usually have smaller noses than men and different facial features due to the effects of estrogen and not having increased secretion of testosterone in adolescence.

If there is any true or half true in pseudoscience such as racial classification, then in that case South Slavic typical dinaric looks like a cross between these 3 guys.

Bogdan Bogdanovic, Serbian basketball player
http://hotsport.rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Bogdan-Bogdanovic-Fener.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAMJ1dFU0AIEC_-.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c2/be/2e/c2be2e0c5dd3ade3d608606c94901468.jpg

Nikola Nedovic, Serbian basketball player
http://static.mozzartsport.com/img/news/3/4/5/15032561863054.JPG

Srdjan Aleksic, Serb from Herzegovina
http://balkans.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/srdjan_aleksic_1_1.jpg

In this Serbian school class many boys have a similar look. Serbs from Bosnia, Republika Srpska, Ugljevik:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-QLnPyhkzY

As I said, female dinarics have smaller noses than men and different facial features due to the effects of estrogen and not having increased secretion of testosterone in adolescence.

Female examples of dinaric:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp9Z4YQUJkk

Ligher version could be Jelena Gavrilovic and Mira Furlan.

https://static.cinemagia.ro/img/db/actor/14/57/37/jelena-gavrilovic-190063l.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTc2MDk1MTg1NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwODMxMjEz._V1_U Y1200_CR164,0,630,1200_AL_.jpg

Serbian school class (Serbs from Bosnia, Republika Srpska, Zvornik):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1dKQDr4mTE

[Decius]

What warrior phenotype. It is ridiculous nonsense.

People of Montenegro had many wars with Turks due to historical circumstances, but it has nothing to do with phenotype. I doubt racial classification is serious science. It is rather pseudoscience based on half true or total nonsense.

I explained several facts regarding so called dinarics based on my personal observations. I have also tried to connect outdated psedudoscice with reality and modern science.

1. The most dinarized areas in former Yugoslavia are Montenegro, Dalmatian hinterland and Herzegovina.
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Many of the noble serbs who fought turks are of the Dinaric type, It is a phenotype of warriors thats for sure

[Proto-Shaman]

Dinaric is Atlanto Med brachycephalized by Alpine
no :picard2:
http://i49.tinypic.com/e0hd0w.png

[Decius]

no :picard2:
http://i49.tinypic.com/e0hd0w.png

Well Dinaric is a Med + Alpine type anyway coon described it as that

[Dick]

no offence, but they look like Azerbaijanis, Caucasians, Anatolians, Iranians, Turkmenistanis, Tajikistanis and Uyghuristanis.

too many anthrotards, don't even know the basics of anthropology, just sad...

You're a sad anthrotard with your stupid threads and posts.

Oh, look squinted eyes and a moustache! must be Turan!!!!!1

[Dick]

Many of the noble serbs who fought turks are of the Dinaric type, It is a phenotype of warriors thats for sure


What warrior phenotype. It is ridiculous nonsense.



Maybe the kid has a point, look at Hajduk Veljko and Djordje Petrovic for example. They were of Montenegrin descent.

[Smeagol]

And, their most impressive feat imo, is being great at music. I'm comfortable in saying a majority of the great classical composers were Dinarid to some degree, the most famous of which would be Mozart.

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/50/152550-004-669D4462.jpg

That nose is clearly Dinarid.

I think this was mentioned by Hans Gunther too. Interestingly Beethoven wasn't Dinaric at all though.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Beethoven.jpg/1200px-Beethoven.jpg

death mask:
https://biblioklept.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/beethoven1.jpg
https://imgc.allpostersimages.com/img/print/posters/ludwig-van-beethoven-death-mask-of-the-german-composer_a-G-3731450-14258389.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

You're a sad anthrotard with your stupid threads and posts.

Oh, look squinted eyes and a moustache! must be Turan!!!!!1

how old are you?

[Proto-Shaman]

Well Dinaric is a Med + Alpine type anyway coon described it as that

Eickstedt said so: the so-called "Alpine race" is devided into four subgroups: those in western Europe, the "Dinarics" in eastern Europe, "Armenoids" in Southwest Asia and "Turanids" in Central Asia.

https://i.imgur.com/wEmEAYQ.png

[Hamlet]

Eickstedt said so: the so-called "Alpine race" is devided into four subgroups: those in western Europe, the "Dinarics" in eastern Europe, "Armenoids" in Southwest Asia and "Turanids" in Central Asia.

https://i.imgur.com/wEmEAYQ.png

But Alpines in Europe are round-headed, whereas Dinarics and Armenoids are narrow headed. Eickstedt must have been a retard!

[Proto-Shaman]

But Alpines in Europe are round-headed, whereas Dinarics and Armenoids are narrow headed. Eickstedt must have been a retard!

who is the retard now?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/PSM_V50_D602_World_cephalic_index_map.jpg

[Hamlet]

who is the retard now?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/PSM_V50_D602_World_cephalic_index_map.jpg

There's a lot more to race than CI and you know it, Corded Nordids are different to Aethiopids

[Hamlet]

who is the retard now?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/PSM_V50_D602_World_cephalic_index_map.jpg

The origin of the Alpines is probably as a reduced CM, I think anyway.

[Proto-Shaman]

Aethiopids
This is called a Kontaktrasse.

[Proto-Shaman]

The origin of the Alpines is probably as a reduced CM, I think anyway.
Alpine is the core of all these phenotypes:

https://i.imgur.com/gLNGIOj.jpg

West European Alpines are the purest.

[Gone West]

They look like the Basque people in France.

That is not a very good phenotype. Pontid look way better.

[Decius]

They look like the Basque people in France.

That is not a very good phenotype. Pontid look way better.

My Dads family looks Dinaric and Noric they are serbs from the mountains very tall and warrior looking

[Laberia]

Another idiot thread. The best warriors are the Germans.

[Decius]

Another idiot thread. The best warriors are the Germans.

Lol the germans are getting swarmed and beaten by muslims the Dinaric race is more warrior especially today

[Laberia]

Meanwhile the perfect warrior in my opinion is this man:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wittmann

[Decius]

Meanwhile the perfect warrior in my opinion is this man:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wittmann

Nah this is the perfect warrior: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevan_Sin%C4%91eli%C4%87

[Hamlet]

Nah this is the perfect warrior: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevan_Sin%C4%91eli%C4%87

Michael Wittmann is pretty fucking hard to beat:

"While in command of a Tiger I tank, he destroyed up to fourteen tanks and fifteen personnel carriers, along with two anti-tank guns, within the space of fifteen minutes."

[Norka]

Ultimate retardation in this thread. Racial phenotypes make warriors now?

[Hadouken]

I think you have to add angry negrito to any phenotype if you want to have a proper warrior tbh

[Chev Chelios]

I think you have to add angry negrito to any phenotype if you want to have a proper warrior tbh

Without Andid, The Angry Negrito is hopeless.

Angry Negrito + Andid = TROO WARRIORS

[Antimage]

no offence, but they look like Azerbaijanis, Caucasians, Anatolians, Iranians, Turkmenistanis, Tajikistanis and Uyghuristanis.

Or maybe azeris look like them?

[cosmoo]

The Dinarid phenotype or Dinarid subrace is a tall broad headed warrior race from the mountains of south east europe, Many famous Serbian heroes, and other balkan heroes are part of the Dinarid subrace. Dinaric people fought against the ottomans and other invaders with great success.
Connecting a whole culture of Dinaric Alps to a certain phenotype is erroneous, as there was always a wide variety of phenotypes in that region.


People of Montenegro had many wars with Turks due to historical circumstances, but it has nothing to do with phenotype. I doubt racial classification is serious science. It is rather pseudoscience based on half true or total nonsense.

I explained several facts regarding so called dinarics based on my personal observations. I have also tried to connect outdated pseudoscience with reality and modern science.

1. The most dinarized areas in former Yugoslavia are Montenegro, Dalmatia and Herzegovina.

2. Speaking of dinarics, there is phenomenon of dinaric gigantism. It is giant height sometimes accompanied with giant nose bridge. There is opinion that this phenomenon is caused by natural environment and chemical composition of the soil in Dinaric area from Dalmatia to the northern Albania. It makes dinarization more obvious and striking. Today, this phenomenon is present much more among older population.
Montenegro is not the most Dinaric (it is, in fact, least Dinaric in that whole mountain range, due to massive influence of UP-derived types).
Also, to answer OP about Dinaric allegedly being "warrior-exclusive" phenotype, lets take a look at some 19th and early 20th century men from the area distinguished by martial prowess.

Note: we still do have a lot of Dinarics, this is just the proof that it is not the most typical.

Novica Cerović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/chernomanija/65490921/189365/189365_600.jpg

Pop Milo Jovović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
http://risticbiljana.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/MILO-JOVOVI%C4%86.jpg

Novak Ramov Jovović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sr/0/05/Novak_Ramov_Jovovic.jpg

Krsto Popović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Krsto_Zrnov_Popovic.jpg/220px-Krsto_Zrnov_Popovic.jpg

Skull allegedly belonging to Serbian vojvoda Stevan Sinđelić, mostly Alpine:
http://slavicnet.com/sokolac/slike/nis_lobanja_vojvode_sindjelica.jpg

Stereotypical Montenegrins as seen by British traveller, not Dinaric:
https://i.imgur.com/OPEhCNf.jpg

[Hamlet]

Ultimate retardation in this thread. Racial phenotypes make warriors now?

Little gracile meds can hardly be good fighters.

[Hamlet]

Connecting a whole culture of Dinaric Alps to a certain phenotype is erroneous, as there was always a wide variety of phenotypes in that region.


Montenegro is not the most Dinaric (it is, in fact, least Dinaric in that whole mountain range, due to massive influence of UP-derived types).
Also, to answer OP about Dinaric allegedly being "warrior-exclusive" phenotype, lets take a look at some 19th and early 20th century men from the area distinguished by martial prowess.

Note: we still do have a lot of Dinarics, this is just the proof that it is not the most typical.

Novica Cerović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/chernomanija/65490921/189365/189365_600.jpg

Pop Milo Jovović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
http://risticbiljana.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/MILO-JOVOVI%C4%86.jpg

Novak Ramov Jovović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sr/0/05/Novak_Ramov_Jovovic.jpg

Krsto Popović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Krsto_Zrnov_Popovic.jpg/220px-Krsto_Zrnov_Popovic.jpg

Skull allegedly belonging to Serbian vojvoda Stevan Sinđelić, mostly Alpine:
http://slavicnet.com/sokolac/slike/nis_lobanja_vojvode_sindjelica.jpg

Stereotypical Montenegrins as seen by British traveller, not Dinaric:
https://i.imgur.com/OPEhCNf.jpg

Most of those pictures are Dinarid.

[cosmoo]

3. If we try to connect sucbraces and haplogroups, then "dinaric race" is connected with carriers of I2 din haplogroup, while dinarized mediterannians (Albania, Greece) are carriers of other haplogroups. My guess: I2 din carriers - dinarics; R1a - diverse looking; what people called "Slavic looking"; E1b and other non Slavic hg - pontids (Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Bosnia), dinarized meditteranians (Albania, Greece), east meds (Greece).
Phenotypes and haplogroups can generally not be connected, but if you wanted to do so, then I2a1b (being Paleo-Mesolithic haplogroup) is definitely not in any way connected with Dinarics. What could be connected to them are various pre-Migration Era haplogroups of Balkans, such as R1b BY611, J2b2, and E1b.

[Catholic Riffs]

You shouldn't start a Dinaric thread without posting the most Dinaric person Coon ever observed.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/356111376512450561/369513437769891840/ultimate_Dinaricization_by_Coon.jpg

[cosmoo]

Most of those pictures are Dinarid.
No, they are not. Tell me which traits on each of them do you consider Dinaric and I will tell you why you are wrong. I'm afraid you hardly know anything about physical anthropology except for usual anthrofora pseudoscience.

[Ülev]

no :picard2:
http://i49.tinypic.com/e0hd0w.png

what is it? frontal face shape or top of head from above?

[Porn Master]

http://risticbiljana.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/MILO-JOVOVI%C4%86.jpg








what a creepy creature

[DarknessWin]

I believe Mtebit's are the stronger phenotype out there,
i see some Pontian Greeks from Mtebit type and they are all HUGE, tall and pure muscles

[Decius]

Connecting a whole culture of Dinaric Alps to a certain phenotype is erroneous, as there was always a wide variety of phenotypes in that region.


Montenegro is not the most Dinaric (it is, in fact, least Dinaric in that whole mountain range, due to massive influence of UP-derived types).
Also, to answer OP about Dinaric allegedly being "warrior-exclusive" phenotype, lets take a look at some 19th and early 20th century men from the area distinguished by martial prowess.

Note: we still do have a lot of Dinarics, this is just the proof that it is not the most typical.

Novica Cerović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/chernomanija/65490921/189365/189365_600.jpg

Pop Milo Jovović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
http://risticbiljana.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/MILO-JOVOVI%C4%86.jpg

Novak Ramov Jovović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sr/0/05/Novak_Ramov_Jovovic.jpg

Krsto Popović, not of Dinaric phenotype:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Krsto_Zrnov_Popovic.jpg/220px-Krsto_Zrnov_Popovic.jpg

Skull allegedly belonging to Serbian vojvoda Stevan Sinđelić, mostly Alpine:
http://slavicnet.com/sokolac/slike/nis_lobanja_vojvode_sindjelica.jpg

Stereotypical Montenegrins as seen by British traveller, not Dinaric:
https://i.imgur.com/OPEhCNf.jpg

Lol most of these are Dinaric educate youreself many of these are clear dinarids

[DarknessWin]

They look like the Basque people in France.

That is not a very good phenotype. Pontid look way better.

Pontid is the most hot phenotype out there ,
we had also a poll before some months and won easilly

But about warrior types Mtebit's are the best easily

[Decius]

No, they are not. Tell me which traits on each of them do you consider Dinaric and I will tell you why you are wrong. I'm afraid you hardly know anything about physical anthropology except for usual anthrofora pseudoscience.

Dinaric traits are tall broad headed and have a convex nose btw you know nothing about physical anthropology you thought i was fucking neo Danubian what a Joke

[Catholic Riffs]

Dinaric traits are tall broad headed and have a convex nose btw you know nothing about physical anthropology you thought i was fucking neo Danubian what a Joke

not true at all

[DarknessWin]

Dinaric traits are tall broad headed and have a convex nose btw you know nothing about physical anthropology you thought i was fucking neo Danubian what a Joke

You have also many Dinaromeds in your video

[Impaler]

Here also a good example of Dinarid

http://i.imgur.com/svS0Oz8.jpg (https://imgur.com/svS0Oz8)

[Porn Master]

Pontid is the most hot phenotype out there ,
we had also a poll before some months and won easilly

But about warrior types Mtebit's are the best easily







Mtebids are robust wild alpha cavemen(males) and Pontids are super hot feminine sexy looking race(females) both are in Caucus

[DarknessWin]

Mtebids are robust wild alpha cavemen(males) and Pontids are super hot feminine sexy looking race(females) both are in Caucus

Pontid mens are also hot and Alpha ,
Pontids from east Balkans fuck all the girls in north countries

They are not robust like Mtebids but they have more testosterone then them and are more aggressive and sexual active

[Porn Master]

Pontid mens are also hot and Alpha ,
Pontids from east Balkans fuck all the girls in north countries

They are not robust like Mtebids but they have more testosterone then them and are more aggressive and sexual active





what about Brunns and CM?

[cosmoo]

what a creepy creature
That "creepy creature" claimed many heads in duels and skirmishes.


Lol most of these are Dinaric educate youreself many of these are clear dinarids
No, they are not. Excessive jaw breadth, depth, and symphyseal height, short and broad faces, somewhat lower cranial vault, low orbits, and plethora of other characteristics all contribute to the fact that the most dominant strain among them is Upper Palaeolithic (brachycephalized).
They completely lack narrow jaws, longer faces and foreheads+malars dominating over their lower face, which is one of the primary Dinaric traits, resulting in characteristic "inverted triangle" facial shape:
It is to be noted that among these Dinarics, patently the descendants of pre-Germanic and pre-Slavic mountain peoples, the forehead is wider than the mandible, and the face takes on the characteristic form of an inverted triangle.
-Coon

You should also note that Montenegro is among least typical Dinaric areas of western Balkans:
The Montenegrins, after a detailed examination, are seen to be far from typical Dinarics in many features; they are too large-bodied, too large-headed, and too broad-faced; their noses are too frequently broad and thick-tipped. They are also far too rufous for the ordinary Dinaric type. Taking the Montenegrins individually, one finds many who do conform to standard Dinaric specifications, but are all taller than most Dinarics elsewhere; there are also some short, thick-set Alpines, and a minority of tall, brunet dolichocephals or near dolichocephals whom we shall also find farther south in Albania. But the Montenegrin of distinctive type, concentrated in Old Montenegro, is a very tall, large-bodied man, with a large, full-vaulted head abbreviated at the rear; his face is very broad, his jaw heavy, his brows overhanging, and his nose large and thick-tipped. It is this type which bears the rufosity in hair color, the freckling, and a tendency to light-mixed eye color.
[...]
The Old Montenegrin type [...] is nothing more nor less than a local unreduced brachycephalized Upper Palaeolithic survival or reemergence, comparable to those found in northern Europe and northern Africa.



Dinaric traits are tall broad headed and have a convex nose btw you know nothing about physical anthropology you thought i was fucking neo Danubian what a Joke
That is a gross oversimplification. Yes, I gave you an accurate classification (you have other elements as well), and there is no need to get triggered like this. When you ask for classification, you should be respectful and ask for explanation in case of disagreeing, not behave like a spoiled little brat.

[Porn Master]

That "creepy creature" claimed many heads in duels and skirmishes.



im not surprised, if i met him i'd pee my pants

[cosmoo]

im not surprised, if i met him i'd pee my pants
As most would, and as did the man who refused to duel him.
During one siege, knjaz Nikola's advisors accused him of disloyalty, so to prove his allegiance, he rode past the siege lines and challenged Turkish commander to a duel. Being afraid, he promptly refused, and ordered the garrison to shoot him down.

[Veslan]

Eickstedt said so: the so-called "Alpine race" is devided into four subgroups: those in western Europe, the "Dinarics" in eastern Europe, "Armenoids" in Southwest Asia and "Turanids" in Central Asia.

https://i.imgur.com/wEmEAYQ.png

Von Eickstedt was a terrible anthropologist, and I don't even think I need to explain why this division is retarded and innacurate.

[Hamlet]

not true at all

Joking right?

[Herr Abubu]

A lot of this stuff about Dinaric, Cromagnid, Pontic, Nordic, etc. has a lot to do with hormonal profiles. Dinaromorphic features are extremely masculine dimorphic, same goes for Caucasian Mtebid types. The Scandonordic has an extremely low testosterone profile on the other side of the scale. Treating these racial classifications as Platonic categories is pure anthrotardery.

Diets should also not be disregarded. I remember reading about how settlers from Europe were amazed at how large Native Americans were, not only in terms of height but in all sorts of ways, but when introduced to European diets and life styles changed drastically. Before that Native Americans lived on an essentially hunter gatherer "Paleo" diet.

Among Albanians, it's clear that with the introduction of a more Western, bourgeois lifestyle for Albanians, they started looking softer, more bloated, worse than their parents' generation, although still not as bad as many other groups.

[Hamlet]

That "creepy creature" claimed many heads in duels and skirmishes.


No, they are not. Excessive jaw breadth, depth, and symphyseal height, short and broad faces, somewhat lower cranial vault, low orbits, and plethora of other characteristics all contribute to the fact that the most dominant strain among them is Upper Palaeolithic (brachycephalized).
They completely lack narrow jaws, longer faces and foreheads+malars dominating over their lower face, which is one of the primary Dinaric traits, resulting in characteristic "inverted triangle" facial shape:
It is to be noted that among these Dinarics, patently the descendants of pre-Germanic and pre-Slavic mountain peoples, the forehead is wider than the mandible, and the face takes on the characteristic form of an inverted triangle.
-Coon

You should also note that Montenegro is among least typical Dinaric areas of western Balkans:
The Montenegrins, after a detailed examination, are seen to be far from typical Dinarics in many features; they are too large-bodied, too large-headed, and too broad-faced; their noses are too frequently broad and thick-tipped. They are also far too rufous for the ordinary Dinaric type. Taking the Montenegrins individually, one finds many who do conform to standard Dinaric specifications, but are all taller than most Dinarics elsewhere; there are also some short, thick-set Alpines, and a minority of tall, brunet dolichocephals or near dolichocephals whom we shall also find farther south in Albania. But the Montenegrin of distinctive type, concentrated in Old Montenegro, is a very tall, large-bodied man, with a large, full-vaulted head abbreviated at the rear; his face is very broad, his jaw heavy, his brows overhanging, and his nose large and thick-tipped. It is this type which bears the rufosity in hair color, the freckling, and a tendency to light-mixed eye color.
[...]
The Old Montenegrin type [...] is nothing more nor less than a local unreduced brachycephalized Upper Palaeolithic survival or reemergence, comparable to those found in northern Europe and northern Africa.



That is a gross oversimplification. Yes, I gave you an accurate classification (you have other elements as well), and there is no need to get triggered like this. When you ask for classification, you should be respectful and ask for explanation in case of disagreeing, not behave like a spoiled little brat.

How would you classify them then. Adriatid? That's pretty fucking similar to Dinarid...

[cosmoo]

A lot of this stuff about Dinaric, Cromagnid, Pontic, Nordic, etc. has a lot to do with hormonal profiles. Dinaromorphic features are extremely masculine dimorphic, same goes for Caucasian Mtebid types. The Scandonordic has an extremely low testosterone profile on the other side of the scale. Treating these racial classifications as Platonic categories is pure anthrotardery.

Diets should also not be disregarded. I remember reading about how settlers from Europe were amazed at how large Native Americans were, not only in terms of height but in all sorts of ways, but when introduced to European diets and life styles changed drastically. Before that Native Americans lived on an essentially hunter gatherer diet.
I have to disagree with the testosterone part, as it bears uncanny resemblance to fagsmaxxing broscience.

As for diet, this reminds me of stories of orthodontists such as Mike Mew, who claims everyone would have short and broad face and had he eaten paleo-based diet and had proper breathing habits. This is blatantly wrong, as 90% of modern-day phenotypes were already present in hunter-gatherer phase, and dominant mandibular form of remaining hunter-gatherers is narrow and deep.
As for Native Americans, I am not familiar with all of them, but I know that the ones of Great Plains were generally tall and slenderly built. Western diet didn't change much, as apart from body build (which is result of specific physical activities as much as it is of diet), their cranofacial characteristics remained essentially the same, with the exception of loss of edge-to-edge bite, which is adaptational consequence relatively unimportant from anthropological standpoint.


How would you classify them then. Adriatid? That's pretty fucking similar to Dinarid...
The dominant strain among those posted would be brachycephalized Upper Palaeolithic/CM (akin to Coon's Borreby, but not entirely so).

[Hamlet]

I have to disagree with the testosterone part, as it bears uncanny resemblance to fagsmaxxing broscience.

As for diet, this reminds me of stories of orthodontists such as Mike Mew, who claims everyone would have short and broad face and had he eaten paleo-based diet and had proper breathing habits. This is blatantly wrong, as 90% of modern-day phenotypes were already present in hunter-gatherer phase, and dominant mandibular form of remaining hunter-gatherers is narrow and deep.
As for Native Americans, I am not familiar with all of them, but I know that the ones of Great Plains were generally tall and slenderly built. Western diet didn't change much, as apart from body build (which is result of specific physical activities as much as it is of diet), their cranofacial characteristics remained essentially the same, with the exception of loss of edge-to-edge bite, which is adaptational consequence relatively unimportant from anthropological standpoint.


The dominant strain among those posted would be brachycephalized Upper Palaeolithic/CM (akin to Coon's Borreby, but not entirely so).

What, no way in hell.

[cosmoo]

What, no way in hell.
Yes way. If you think otherwise, give a reasonable explanation and post some sources, as I already did (although most probably you can't, as forumite anthrotards can not argue with anything further than "muh vibes").

[Wrong]

A lot of this stuff about Dinaric, Cromagnid, Pontic, Nordic, etc. has a lot to do with hormonal profiles. Dinaromorphic features are extremely masculine dimorphic, same goes for Caucasian Mtebid types. The Scandonordic has an extremely low testosterone profile on the other side of the scale. Treating these racial classifications as Platonic categories is pure anthrotardery.

Diets should also not be disregarded. I remember reading about how settlers from Europe were amazed at how large Native Americans were, not only in terms of height but in all sorts of ways, but when introduced to European diets and life styles changed drastically. Before that Native Americans lived on an essentially hunter gatherer "Paleo" diet.

Among Albanians, it's clear that with the introduction of a more Western, bourgeois lifestyle for Albanians, they started looking softer, more bloated, worse than their parents' generation, although still not as bad as many other groups.
This post makes the most sense in here.

Anthrotarding is just a fake e-hobby.

[Wrong]

Dinaric traits are tall broad headed and have a convex nose btw you know nothing about physical anthropology you thought i was fucking neo Danubian what a Joke
Dinaric faces along with the cranium from the front are wider at the top and narrows downwards, like an inverted triangle.

As for the nose thing, more horse shit. You aren't Dinaric/Noric at all, 0%.

[Stears]

Dinaric faces along with the cranium from the front are wider at the top and narrows downwards, like an inverted triangle.

As for the nose thing, more horse shit. You aren't Dinaric/Noric at all, 0%.

So is my phenotype dinaric than, because my face is the triangular shape?

I think triangle face not only appear in the dinaric type...

[Stears]

I have seen triangle shaped faces, in western Europe too (for example in France). are the French dinaric ?

[Decius]

Dinaric faces along with the cranium from the front are wider at the top and narrows downwards, like an inverted triangle.

As for the nose thing, more horse shit. You aren't Dinaric/Noric at all, 0%.

My dad is like pure Dinarid and most people say I'm part Dinarid

[Decius]

I have seen triangle shaped faces, in western Europe too (for example in France). are the French dinaric ?

They have some Dinaric not the majority in France though

[Wrong]

My dad is like pure Dinarid and most people say I'm part Dinarid
They assume for some reason that a short-height hook-nose is Dinaric.

The most Dinarized person according to Coon does not have a hook-nose. Nose shape is insignificant.

[Stears]

My dad is like pure Dinarid and most people say I'm part Dinarid

with your puffy baloon head ?

[Tacitus]

A lot of this stuff about Dinaric, Cromagnid, Pontic, Nordic, etc. has a lot to do with hormonal profiles. Dinaromorphic features are extremely masculine dimorphic, same goes for Caucasian Mtebid types. The Scandonordic has an extremely low testosterone profile on the other side of the scale. Treating these racial classifications as Platonic categories is pure anthrotardery.

Diets should also not be disregarded. I remember reading about how settlers from Europe were amazed at how large Native Americans were, not only in terms of height but in all sorts of ways, but when introduced to European diets and life styles changed drastically. Before that Native Americans lived on an essentially hunter gatherer "Paleo" diet.

Among Albanians, it's clear that with the introduction of a more Western, bourgeois lifestyle for Albanians, they started looking softer, more bloated, worse than their parents' generation, although still not as bad as many other groups.

I remember going to Jamestown and Willamsburg in Virginia when I was about 12 years old and they had authentic, preserved British military uniforms from the 17th-18th century on display in one of the museums. Childrens' sizes by today's standards.

Since you brought diet in the fray, have you ever read Weston Price's "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration"? He does go into that a bit.

[Laberia]

Nah this is the perfect warrior: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevan_Sin%C4%91eli%C4%87

Do you understand that this page of Wiki is folktale for kids? This is how they brainwash you. What's the point here with this thread, you want to prove us that servs are brave people? But we know perfectly how brave are your compatriots. Do you know what happened during the Yugoslav wars? Instead making your homeworks, you spend your time with this stupid things.

[Herr Abubu]

I have to disagree with the testosterone part, as it bears uncanny resemblance to fagsmaxxing broscience.

As for diet, this reminds me of stories of orthodontists such as Mike Mew, who claims everyone would have short and broad face and had he eaten paleo-based diet and had proper breathing habits. This is blatantly wrong, as 90% of modern-day phenotypes were already present in hunter-gatherer phase, and dominant mandibular form of remaining hunter-gatherers is narrow and deep.
As for Native Americans, I am not familiar with all of them, but I know that the ones of Great Plains were generally tall and slenderly built. Western diet didn't change much, as apart from body build (which is result of specific physical activities as much as it is of diet), their cranofacial characteristics remained essentially the same, with the exception of loss of edge-to-edge bite, which is adaptational consequence relatively unimportant from anthropological standpoint.


The dominant strain among those posted would be brachycephalized Upper Palaeolithic/CM (akin to Coon's Borreby, but not entirely so).

Testosterone has an essential effect on male appearance, it can't be overstated how important it is. Reset a Scandonordid's life back to the day he was conceived and load him up with T in the womb and his post-natal development periods and he'll end up looking something more like Sven Nordin and less like the Columbine shooters.

A long face isn't necessarily the problem, many proper-looking masculine men have them, including the aforementioned masculine-looking man Sven Nordin or Jesse Ventura. Metrically Mike Mew's ideal isn't even shorter faced but only appears so because of stronger, wider jaws and better facial positioning. The problem is Adam Lanza type mouth-breathers. Gracile, non-squareish jaws and so on that looks like the physiognomic equivalent of Chernobyl.

Northern Europeans aren't hunter-gatherers if that's what you mean and the genetic link is distant and tenuous. Northern Europeans are faggot bourgeois with not a shred of masculinity left in them due mainly to environmental causes, but also selective pressures due to effeminized environments. Same goes for the world in general today. Remove the modern lifestyle and diet, by which I don't mean going paleo, from any population and they'll start looking more like actual men.

Classical Native Americans types like Will Sampson and Michael Horse aren't the norm any longer. The physical degeneration of Native Americans has been observed throughout our contact with them. They've been gracilized in every way imaginable by shitty European diets.

[Herr Abubu]

I remember going to Jamestown and Willamsburg in Virginia when I was about 12 years old and they had authentic, preserved British military uniforms from the 17th-18th century on display in one of the museums. Childrens' sizes by today's standards.

Since you brought diet in the fray, have you ever read Weston Price's "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration"? He does go into that a bit.

The early modern period must be the one of the very few periods where society—supposedly—becomes wealthier but the people turn out shorter. In our period, though, it is not a healthy diet and lifestyle that has made us stronger but simply a larger amount of food.

I have only read small pieces of Weston Price's works and talked to people who have read him. His work is very interesting and I really should get down to it.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Basically related to Pamiro-Iranids, very normal for Dinarids

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/gallery/team-of-the-season/pa-photos_t_pies-premier-league-team-of-the-year-2604e.jpg

Is he related with Pamiro-Iranids?

If he is then ok.

He is a average Dinarid.

[Stears]

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/gallery/team-of-the-season/pa-photos_t_pies-premier-league-team-of-the-year-2604e.jpg

Is he related with Pamiro-Iranids?

If he is then ok.

He is a average Dinarid.

are you serious ? such fat face short puffy nose is the Russian looking. russians are not dinaric

I think the Dalmatian people are the real dinarids, and he don't look like them at all.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

are you serious ? such fat face short puffy nose is the Russian looking. russians are not dinaric

I think the Dalmatian people are the real dinarids, and he don't look like them at all.

Russians are mainly not Dinaric, but this football player mainly IS.

No Stears, Dalmatians are not most Dinaric. Bosnian peoples are: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

This is the proof which you can't deny. You can just say "Aham, you are true".

As you say "Genetics can't lie".

I2a among Bosnian citizens :)

[Decius]

They assume for some reason that a short-height hook-nose is Dinaric.

The most Dinarized person according to Coon does not have a hook-nose. Nose shape is insignificant.

Well I probably have some Dinarid its atleast minor because Alot of my family looks very Dinaric

[Decius]

They assume for some reason that a short-height hook-nose is Dinaric.

The most Dinarized person according to Coon does not have a hook-nose. Nose shape is insignificant.

The roman nose I have is common among other Dinarids it might not be a definiing feature but certainly many Dinarid people have hooked roman nose

[Stears]

Russians are mainly not Dinaric, but this football player mainly IS.

No Stears, Dalmatians are not most Dinaric. Bosnian peoples are: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

This is the proof which you can't deny. You can just say "Aham, you are true".

As you say "Genetics can't lie".

I2a among Bosnian citizens :)

Bullshit. He look like Russian or maybe Bulgarian. they don't have dinaric

Croatians from Bosnia have the most I2, and they look similar like the Dalmatians. they dinarids mostly

Deal with it.

[Stears]

User ''Vlatko Vukovic'' is one of the most stupid users on the TA.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Bullshit. He look like Russian or maybe Bulgarian. they don't have dinaric

Croatians from Bosnia have the most I2, and they look similar like the Dalmatians. they dinarids mostly

Deal with it.

Where did i say that Croats does not have mostly? But not Dalmatians, but Herzegowinians and if you see them (without knowing them as Croats, becouse you are subjective man) you would classify them as middle eastern or cuman or something becouse of dark dark dark hair (as Dinarids has).

Do you see that Croatia have 37.5 but Bosnia 50.5 so it even can't be compared.

Bosniaks have 53.5 I2 so more then fully Croatia we have :D

Even Bosnian Serbs (which are mainly Slavic origin not Dinarid) are similar with percent to Croatia.

So your claim "Dalmatians are mostly Dinarids" are false. Becouse Dalmatians were mixed with Italians, but Herzegovinians didn't. Now you know the reallity.

Deal with your unknowledge and lost point in the debate :)

[Vlatko Vukovic]

User ''Vlatko Vukovic'' is one of the most stupid users on the TA.

Who say it to me?

Stupid ignorant Magyar troll.

[Wrong]

Where did i say that Croats does not have mostly? But not Dalmatians, but Herzegowinians and if you see them (without knowing them as Croats, becouse you are subjective man) you would classify them as middle eastern or cuman or something becouse of dark dark dark hair (as Dinarids has).

Do you see that Croatia have 37.5 but Bosnia 50.5 so it even can't be compared.

Bosniaks have 53.5 I2 so more then fully Croatia we have :D

Even Bosnian Serbs (which are mainly Slavic origin not Dinarid) are similar with percent to Croatia.

So your claim "Dalmatians are mostly Dinarids" are false. Becouse Dalmatians were mixed with Italians, but Herzegovinians didn't. Now you know the reallity.
I2a-CTS10228 which 99% of the South Slavs carry as I2a is descended from Poland 500AD~.

Zero Dinaric.

Bosniaks better stop coping. It seems like every new Bosniak user needs to be schooled by wiser people.

[Lavrentis]

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/gallery/team-of-the-season/pa-photos_t_pies-premier-league-team-of-the-year-2604e.jpg

Is he related with Pamiro-Iranids?

If he is then ok.

He is a average Dinarid.

I wouldn't say that he is an average Dinarid. He looks very East Slavic to me.

[Stears]

Where did i say that Croats does not have mostly? But not Dalmatians, but Herzegowinians and if you see them (without knowing them as Croats, becouse you are subjective man) you would classify them as middle eastern or cuman or something becouse of dark dark dark hair (as Dinarids has).

Do you see that Croatia have 37.5 but Bosnia 50.5 so it even can't be compared.

Bosniaks have 53.5 I2 so more then fully Croatia we have :D

Even Bosnian Serbs (which are mainly Slavic origin not Dinarid) are similar with percent to Croatia.

So your claim "Dalmatians are mostly Dinarids" are false. Becouse Dalmatians were mixed with Italians, but Herzegovinians didn't. Now you know the reallity.

The Croatians told me, dalmatians nad herzegovina Croatians the same thing, just politically separated.

You are stupid boy. On the island of my GF all the people are bosnian origin from the Turkish times. most Dalmatians islands people come from Bosnia area in the middle ages, they are dinaric people and not eastern looking like the guy you posted.

Interestingly none of the Dalmatian people I met have mixature with the Italians.

[Decius]

User ''Vlatko Vukovic'' is one of the most stupid users on the TA.

Lol said by stears

[KrashNick]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Prek_Cali.jpg

[Veslan]

I2a-CTS10228 which 99% of the South Slavs carry as I2a is descended from Poland 500AD~.

Zero Dinaric.

Bosniaks better stop coping. It seems like every new Bosniak user needs to be schooled by wiser people.

From Southern Poland, where "Carpathid" Dinaro-Alpine phenotype was dominant.

[Stears]

I wouldn't say that he is an average Dinarid. He looks very East Slavic to me.

He look like southern Russian (like Medviedev)

[Uskok]

Bosnian serbs are least slavic in bosnia

[Lavrentis]

Bosnian serbs are least slavic in bosnia

Yeah I have been thinking the same. They are mostly descended from Vlachs and there are many sources about that.

[cosmoo]

Testosterone has an essential effect on male appearance, it can't be overstated how important it is. Reset a Scandonordid's life back to the day he was conceived and load him up with T in the womb and his post-natal development periods and he'll end up looking something more like Sven Nordin and less like the Columbine shooters.

A long face isn't necessarily the problem, many proper-looking masculine men have them, including the aforementioned masculine-looking man Sven Nordin or Jesse Ventura. Metrically Mike Mew's ideal isn't even shorter faced but only appears so because of stronger, wider jaws and better facial positioning. The problem is Adam Lanza type mouth-breathers. Gracile, non-squareish jaws and so on that looks like the physiognomic equivalent of Chernobyl.

Northern Europeans aren't hunter-gatherers if that's what you mean and the genetic link is distant and tenuous. Northern Europeans are faggot bourgeois with not a shred of masculinity left in them due mainly to environmental causes, but also selective pressures due to effeminized environments. Same goes for the world in general today. Remove the modern lifestyle and diet, by which I don't mean going paleo, from any population and they'll start looking more like actual men.

Classical Native Americans types like Will Sampson and Michael Horse aren't the norm any longer. The physical degeneration of Native Americans has been observed throughout our contact with them. They've been gracilized in every way imaginable by shitty European diets.
And again, Hallstatt Nordic is not in any way product of modernity, as its history in skeletal record is quite long, stretching back to the Neolithic when it, apparently, appeared due to admixture of original steppe Corded strain with Danubians.
Almost all modern European types were already present in Stone Age, and those that weren't (Dinaric, East Baltic, etc.) were merely formed by intermixing, not by dietary habits.

As for the Mew's claims, no, not everyone would have broad jaw and face with olden diet, as again, there was a significant diversity of said trait already during the hunter-gathering stage. Moreover, on average, traditionally hunter-gatherer societies around the world were found to have narrower (but deeper) mandibles than agricultural ones. Europe is aberration in this aspect, not because of diet, but solely because the population with widest mandibles and faces remained in hunter-gatherer phase for the longest period of time. Those who brought narrow form were already narrow to begin with even before taking up agriculture and husbandry.

I never said northern Europeans are "hunter-gatherers" (everyone was hunter back in the certain point of history, but I assume you meant pre-Neolithic and pre-IE population of Europe), as such unaltered strain is in greater frequency only in fringe areas of NW Europe.

Native Americans (at least those of Great Plains) were not exceptionally massive even before, but relatively slender and sinewy (as can be seen on 19th century photos of those still living as their ancestors did). If you were talking about craniofacial gracilization, it has more to do with the fact that they are heavily intermixed and barely present in original form than with anything else. Sure, the Western diet did take a toll, but mainly in regards to dentition (as those unusued to it suffer greater incidence of decay), not to rest of phenotype.

Note that I do not say that modern civilization didn't fuck human body up considerably (pretty much every aspect of life nowadays has elements which add up to it). But each phenotype got wrecked separately, it is not like modernity gave rise to more feminine types over masculine ones, as they all existed much before it.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The Croatians told me, dalmatians nad herzegovina Croatians the same thing, just politically separated.

You are stupid boy. On the island of my GF all the people are bosnian origin from the Turkish times. most Dalmatians islands people come from Bosnia area in the middle ages, they are dinaric people and not eastern looking like the guy you posted.

Interestingly none of the Dalmatian people I met have mixature with the Italians.

Why are u so ignorant? Dalmatia and Herzegowina have nothing common even very different dialects. Dalmatian dialect of Slavic Croatian language is only one which we sometimes (North Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs) can't understand becouse they speak very very fast like Italians and it is weird in Slavic language.

Your stupidity continues when i discover you that in Herzegowina are mainly people of modern Serbia (see town "Trebinje", it is a mainly Serbian town with majority of Serbs even today), are they Eastern looking?

If you don't believe my knowledge about Bosnian region, then you can read about Serbian migrations in Ottoman times, and after Ottoman times. Even my "mother-line" ancestors are from Herzegowina.

But you are very ignorant to understand reallity.

Also, this Serbian player does not look Eastern, he looks Dinaric. You just spreading your anti-eastern and anti-serbian propaganda.

You even never admit that some Serb looks European of 10 millions Serbs becouse you are fucking moron who does not speak about "reallity" but speak with hate toward Serbs, Romanians, Russians etc.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

He look like southern Russian (like Medviedev)

Medvedev and him is like a sky and the ground. But you don't know differences between phenotypes.

[Wrong]

From Southern Poland, where "Carpathid" Dinaro-Alpine phenotype was dominant.
Plenty of mountaineers get Dinarized throughout generations. "Dinaric race" is an oxymoron.

It's just a Med/Nordic/Alpine that underwent adaption through harsh mountain environment.

[Lucia]

Why are u so ignorant? Dalmatia and Herzegowina have nothing common even very different dialects. Dalmatian dialect of Slavic Croatian language is only one which we sometimes (North Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs) can't understand becouse they speak very very fast like Italians and it is weird in Slavic language.

You can understand Kajkavian? :D

[Lavrentis]

Plenty of mountaineers get Dinarized throughout generations. "Dinaric race" is an oxymoron.

It's just a Med/Nordic/Alpine that underwent adaption through harsh mountain environment.

I was always sceptical into believing the theory that phenotypes can change through enviroment. It could be true though

[Vlatko Vukovic]

You can understand Kajkavian? :D

I can. We speak mostly similar to you. :)

[Decius]

Why are u so ignorant? Dalmatia and Herzegowina have nothing common even very different dialects. Dalmatian dialect of Slavic Croatian language is only one which we sometimes (North Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs) can't understand becouse they speak very very fast like Italians and it is weird in Slavic language.

Your stupidity continues when i discover you that in Herzegowina are mainly people of modern Serbia (see town "Trebinje", it is a mainly Serbian town with majority of Serbs even today), are they Eastern looking?

If you don't believe my knowledge about Bosnian region, then you can read about Serbian migrations in Ottoman times, and after Ottoman times. Even my "mother-line" ancestors are from Herzegowina.

But you are very ignorant to understand reallity.

Also, this Serbian player does not look Eastern, he looks Dinaric. You just spreading your anti-eastern and anti-serbian propaganda.

You even never admit that some Serb looks European of 10 millions Serbs becouse you are fucking moron who does not speak about "reallity" but speak with hate toward Serbs, Romanians, Russians etc.

theres actually 12 million serbs worldwide

[Vlatko Vukovic]

theres actually 12 million serbs worldwide

10 or 12 irrelevant. But no one of them is admitted as European by Stears. Becouse he is fucking subjective moron.

[Lucia]

I can. We speak mostly similar to you. :)

I don't think you've heard the real Kajkavian. :lol:

[Stears]

Why are u so ignorant? Dalmatia and Herzegowina have nothing common even very different dialects. Dalmatian dialect of Slavic Croatian language is only one which we sometimes (North Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs) can't understand becouse they speak very very fast like Italians and it is weird in Slavic language.

Your stupidity continues when i discover you that in Herzegowina are mainly people of modern Serbia (see town "Trebinje", it is a mainly Serbian town with majority of Serbs even today), are they Eastern looking?

If you don't believe my knowledge about Bosnian region, then you can read about Serbian migrations in Ottoman times, and after Ottoman times. Even my "mother-line" ancestors are from Herzegowina.

But you are very ignorant to understand reallity.

Also, this Serbian player does not look Eastern, he looks Dinaric. You just spreading your anti-eastern and anti-serbian propaganda.

You even never admit that some Serb looks European of 10 millions Serbs becouse you are fucking moron who does not speak about "reallity" but speak with hate toward Serbs, Romanians, Russians etc.

Blablabla

You are the serbian troll. I know there is western Herezegovina region where Croatians live. And they are similar people like the Dalmatians.

Croatians told me that, that many Dalmatians are refugees from Bosnia-Herzegovina area after Turkich occupation. the dialect is not relevant.

are they lying or what ?

Serbians are more eastern looking in general. And genetic is different too.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I don't think you've heard the real Kajkavian. :lol:

Maybe, but i think i would understand it :D

[Uskok]

Yeah I have been thinking the same. They are mostly descended from Vlachs and there are many sources about that.

Yes and you can see that on genetics-more similar to greeks and albanians with e1b1 and j2 haplogroups

[Stears]

Medvedev and him is like a sky and the ground. But you don't know differences between phenotypes.

Idiot. Even I am more dinaric, than that Russian looking guy.

[Lavrentis]

Yes and you can see that on genetics-more similar to greeks and albanians with e1b1 and j2 haplogroups

Are there genetic studies on Bosnian Serbs? Interesting enough, Albanian Vlachs are I2 and R1b-L23

[Stears]

10 or 12 irrelevant. But no one of them is admitted as European by Stears. Becouse he is fucking subjective moron.

Lies. I just said, the big difference between western Christian and semi-asian orthodox civilisation. Why does it hurts you so much ?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Blablabla

You are the serbian troll. I know there is western Herezegovina region where Croatians live. And they are similar people like the Dalmatians.

Croatians told me that, that many Dalmatians are refugees from Bosnia-Herzegovina area after Turkich occupation. the dialect is not relevant.

are they lying or what ?

Serbians are most eastern looking in general.

They don't lie but today Dalmatians and Herzegowinians are very different people by genetics and phenotype. That migration was before 550+ years.

Actually Eastern Herzegowina (where Serbs live) is more similar genetically to West Herzegowinian Croats, then the Herzegowinian Croats to Dalmatians as you said.

And i am not Serbian troll. I am just irritated by your Magyar propaganda which continues every day. Day for day. Without real arguments.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Lies. I just said, the big difference between western Christian and semi-asian orthodox civilisation. Why does it hurts you so much ?

I don't lie. You on every Serbian post classification adding some item "Eastern" "Gypsoid" "Asian"...

Just bullshit for bullshit without any proof and purport.

[Decius]

I don't lie. You on every Serbian post classification adding some item "Eastern" "Gypsoid" "Asian"...

Just bullshit for bullshit without any proof and purport.

According to stears the only true slavs are freaking pure Nordic which is ridiculous, Eastern is usually reffering to Slavic phenotypes that he deems non slavic.

[Uskok]

Are there genetic studies on Bosnian Serbs? Interesting enough, Albanian Vlachs are I2 and R1b-L23

Yes there are as for all nationalities in bosnia..basically croats in bih have 70%i2, bosniaks 50 and serbs 35 and they have about 23 e1b and 12 j2 ,only 13 r1a if i remember corectly hehe

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Are there genetic studies on Bosnian Serbs? Interesting enough, Albanian Vlachs are I2 and R1b-L23

Bosnian Serbs are a lot of geneticly different from Serbian Serbs.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Stears]

They don't lie but today Dalmatians and Herzegowinians are very different people by genetics and phenotype. That migration was before 550+ years.

Actually Eastern Herzegowina (where Serbs live) is more similar genetically to West Herzegowinian Croats, then the Herzegowinian Croats to Dalmatians as you said.

And i am not Serbian troll. I am just irritated by your Magyar propaganda which continues every day. Day for day. Without real arguments.

Can you give scientific source that say they are ''very different people'' ?

Why have you troll, when the topic not about Hungary ? Hungarian people don't know about this region, to them only northern Croatians are familiar.

I'm interested, because small part of me also from Dalmatia. :)

[cosmoo]

Yes there are as for all nationalities in bosnia..basically croats in bih have 70%i2, bosniaks 50 and serbs 35 and they have about 23 e1b and 12 j2 ,only 13 r1a if i remember corectly hehe

That study is blatantly rigged. According to data from public databases, Herzegovinian Croats barely have 35% of I2a1b. Such discrepancy is simply impossible.

[Stears]

According to stears the only true slavs are freaking pure Nordic which is ridiculous, Eastern is usually reffering to Slavic phenotypes that he deems non slavic.

Wrong. I've just said, real Slavic people are Polish and Belarusian people. they are not nordic

you are offended, because the Serbs are russian asslickers.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Can you give scientific source that say they are ''very different people'' ?

Why have you troll, when the topic not about Hungary ? Hungarian people don't know about this region, to them only northern Croatians are familiar.

I'm interested, because small part of me also from Dalmatia. :)

What kind of scientific source you want? By looking or by genetics?

I don't troll. I never said anything insulting toward Croats, and also not toward Hungarians (if you before didn't provocate) with your magyar propaganda.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Wrong. I've just said, real Slavic people are Polish and Belarusian people. they are not nordic

you are offended, because the Serbs are russian asslickers.

Belarussian = Russian

By history and all other... Ask them if you want.

[Wrong]

Are there genetic studies on Bosnian Serbs? Interesting enough, Albanian Vlachs are I2 and R1b-L23
J2b2 is high among Albanian Vlachs aswell, between 20-30%.

[Insuperable]

That study is blatantly rigged. According to data from public databases, Herzegovinian Croats barely have 35% of I2a1b. Such discrepancy is simply impossible.

What databases?

[Stears]

Belarussian = Russian

By history and all other... Ask them if you want.

the Russians are mixed with Finno-Ugric Turkic Siberian people. It is not the same.

Deal with it.

[Stears]

I don't consider the Russian as true Slavs.

it is the huge Eurasian federation :))))

[Decius]

the Russians are mixed with Finno-Ugric Turkic Siberian people. It is not the same.

Deal with it.

The reality is that hungarians would be considered wogs among ethnic russians

[Wrong]

Are there genetic studies on Bosnian Serbs? Interesting enough, Albanian Vlachs are I2 and R1b-L23
The Vlachs in FYROM for example are totally different by lineages, with high R1a and I2a-CTS10228. Absorbed many Slavs.

[Uskok]

That study is blatantly rigged. According to data from public databases, Herzegovinian Croats barely have 35% of I2a1b. Such discrepancy is simply impossible.

Well yes 70 was probably in the highest i2 area but still bosnian serbs have more balkan neolithic

[Lavrentis]

I don't consider the Russian as true Slavs.

it is the huge Eurasian federation :))))

Russians have a lot and significant non-Slavic influences, from Finno-Ugric to Central Asian. Genetically speaking, the most Slavic countries are Poland, Ukraine and Belarus.

[Stears]

The reality is that hungarians would be considered wogs among ethnic russians

average Russian man:
https://pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/averagerussianman.jpg

it is ugly eastern looking compared with the average Hungarian.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

the Russians are mixed with Finno-Ugric Turkic Siberian people. It is not the same.

Deal with it.

Pure Russians associate on Belarussians, it is just reallity that you can't admit. (I don't speak about mixed people).


I don't consider the Russian as true Slavs

You must not, of course. It is your choice. But all other world consider them as Slavic.

Be a only one individue. Nobody stops you. :)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

They don't lie but today Dalmatians and Herzegowinians are very different people by genetics and phenotype. That migration was before 550+ years.

Actually Eastern Herzegowina (where Serbs live) is more similar genetically to West Herzegowinian Croats, then the Herzegowinian Croats to Dalmatians as you said.

And i am not Serbian troll. I am just irritated by your Magyar propaganda which continues every day. Day for day. Without real arguments.

You are either a triggered serb disguised as bosniak or another self loathing balija with severe stockholm syndrome, cannot find any other valid explanation why you are so devoted on your quest to defend serbs from Stears and others.

[Decius]

average Russian man:
https://pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/averagerussianman.jpg

it is ugly eastern looking compared with the average Hungarian.

Average Hungarian is more Eastern looking and more swarthy

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Russians have a lot and significant non-Slavic influences, from Finno-Ugric to Central Asian. Genetically speaking, the most Slavic countries are Poland, Ukraine and Belarus.

There are pure Russians similar to Belarussians and Ukrainians. I never deny that they don't have finno-ugric influence but not at all.

Central Asian they don't have. It is 2 different cultures and civilisations. That was not so mixing.

[Stears]

why have TA users believe the Russian propaganda, that ethnic Russians are light pigmented people ?

I was in Russia, and it was not the reality. Only the Russians close to the baltic sea are light pigmented, where is the lowest population density in entire Russia.

[cosmoo]

What databases?

Ones from FTDNA, ysearch and 23andme. A member of Serbian DNA project once composed a statistic based on roughly 74 Herzegovinian Croats and Muslims (later not being deficient in I2a1b to downplay total sample enough) which were available then (with surnames visible), and it revealed similar figure.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

You are either a triggered serb disguised as bosniak or another self loathing balija with severe stockholm syndrome, cannot find any other valid explanation why you are so devoted on your quest to defend serbs from Stears and others.

I defend Balkan people from Western attackers (like Stears) which spreads bullshit.

Stears hate Serbia, Cristiano Viejo hates Albania etc. But both of them just spreading their propaganda.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

why have TA users believe the Russian propaganda, that ethnic Russians are light pigmented people ?

I was in Russia, and it was not the reality. Only the Russians close to the baltic sea are light pigmented, where is the lowest population density in entire Russia.

Yea you were in all European territory of Russia and saw 117 millions of Russians. I believe you.

[Decius]

average Russian man:
https://pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/averagerussianman.jpg

it is ugly eastern looking compared with the average Hungarian.


Average hungarian morph

https://i.imgur.com/KxzzZhA.jpg

Source: https://pmsol3.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/world-of-averages-europeave/

[katniss]

Are there genetic studies on Bosnian Serbs? Interesting enough, Albanian Vlachs are I2 and R1b-L23

Why this Ustashoid psychopath lavrentis (pretending to be Greek) wrote lies about Serbs in every single thread.
There is no R1b BY611, typical for Albanians, among Serbs from Bosnia. Even if they have R1b, they mostly have Italo Celtic branch R1b U152 (which is absent among Albanians).
J2b2, also typical for Albanians, is almost absent among Serbs from Bosnia. J2b1 is present among South Slavs mostly.
I2 is almost absent among Albanians. Only southern Albanians have some I2, mostly from Bulgarians.
Term "vlach" had a different meanings in various times in Bosnia. It had nothing to do with ethnic affiliations.

[Lavrentis]

There are pure Russians similar to Belarussians and Ukrainians. I never deny that they don't have finno-ugric influence but not at all.

Central Asian they don't have. It is 2 different cultures and civilisations. That was not so mixing.

I personally think that the average Bosniak is more Slavic than the average Russian. Bosniaks, due to the unique religions they belonged in the past (Bogomilism) and still belong (Islam), didn't mix so much with other people, and thus they preserved their original elements. I think that we can say that Bosniaks are around 50% Slavic and 50% Balkan.

[Stears]

Pure Russians associate on Belarussians, it is just reallity that you can't admit. (I don't speak about mixed people).



You must not, of course. It is your choice. But all other world consider them as Slavic.

Be a only one individue. Nobody stops you. :)

It is a linguistic group. But I speak about ethnic origin.

The Russians are less slavic than the Poles. Why has it offend anyone ? Because of pan-slavic propaganda, where Russia is the no.1 among the slavs ?

Sorry but the DNA say it is just a fantasy.

[Wrong]

Why this Ustashoid psychopath lavrentis (pretending to be Greek) wrote lies about Serbs in every single thread.
There were no R1b BY611, typical for Albanians, among Serbs from Bosnia. Even if they have R1b, they mostly have Italo Celtic branch R1b U152.
J2b2, also typical for Albanians, is almost absent among Serbs from Bosnia. J2b1 is present among South Slavs mostly.
I2 is almost absent among Albanians. Only southern Albanians have some I2, mostly from Bulgarians.
Term "vlach" had a different meaning in various times in Bosnia. It had nothing to do with ethnic affiliations.
No slander, or face the repercussions.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I defend Balkan people from Western attackers (like Stears) which spreads bullshit.

Stears hate Serbia, Cristiano Viejo hates Albania etc. But both of them just spreading their propaganda.

I haven't noticed you 'defending' albanians from CV cheap trolling however I've seen you basically everywhere when is talked about serbs, either way you are really pathetic.

[Decius]

I haven't noticed you 'defending' albanians from CV cheap trolling however I've seen you basically everywhere when is talked about serbs, either way you are really pathetic.

So hes a troll for defending serbs...? ?

[Lucia]

Why this Ustashoid psychopath lavrentis (pretending to be Greek)

Classy as always.
Stop being so aggressive.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I personally think that the average Bosniak is more Slavic than the average Russian. Bosniaks, due to the unique religions they belonged in the past (Bogomilism) and still belong (Islam), didn't mix so much with other people, and thus they preserved their original elements. I think that we can say that Bosniaks are around 50% Slavic and 50% Balkan.

I agree. But you must know that today "Bosniak" are also Serbian muslims from Sanjak (Novi Pazar, Pljevlja) which migrated to Bosnia after 2 world war massively they settled Bosnia, which have a lot of Vlacho-Albanian origin, and have nothing with originally Bosniaks common.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I haven't noticed you 'defending' albanians from CV cheap trolling however I've seen you basically everywhere when is talked about serbs, either way you are really pathetic.

There are 7-8 active Albanians who defend Albania from Cristiano Viejo. From Serbs there is just 1, Srpski Cetnik.

[Lavrentis]

Why this Ustashoid psychopath lavrentis (pretending to be Greek) wrote lies about Serbs in every single thread.
There were no R1b BY611, typical for Albanians, among Serbs from Bosnia. Even if they have R1b, they mostly have Italo Celtic branch R1b U152.
J2b2, also typical for Albanians, is almost absent among Serbs from Bosnia. J2b1 is present among South Slavs mostly.
I2 is almost absent among Albanians. Only southern Albanians have some I2, mostly from Bulgarians.
Term "vlach" had a different meaning in various times in Bosnia. It had nothing to do with ethnic affiliations.

Lol, here is the Serb psychopath who has started accusing me of being Croatian.

1) Don't worry, I didn't say that Albanians are more 'western' than Serbs because of R1b-L23. R1b-L23 is the eastern branch of R1b and peaks in Armenians. It exists in Greece, but only in places were Albanians settled in the Middle Ages, outskirts of Attica and eastern Peloponnese. So it's a proof that it was brough by Albanians.



2) Bosnian Serbs are mostly descended from Vlachs who were brought to Bosnia in the Middle Ages by the Ottomans. It's just the truth, I don't know why you're denying it.

[Wrong]

There were no R1b BY611, typical for Albanians, among Serbs from Bosnia. Even if they have R1b, they mostly have Italo Celtic branch R1b U152 (which is absent among Albanians).
Stop with whatever you are smoking right there.

R1b-U152 is almost-absent from South Slavs, except Croatians.


Albanians and Greeks have it even though their main R1b is R1b-L23, which is Yamnaya Bronze Age Warrior.

Distribution of haplogroup R1b-S28 (U152) in Europe
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S28.gif

[The Illyrian Warrior]

So hes a troll for defending serbs...

Either another triggered srpski cetnik or a self hating balija on galactic proportions, both are inexcusable and pathetic to me.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

It is a linguistic group. But I speak about ethnic origin.

The Russians are less slavic than the Poles. Why has it offend anyone ? Because of pan-slavic propaganda, where Russia is the no.1 among the slavs ?

Sorry but the DNA say it is just a fantasy.

I agree that Russians on average is less Slavic then Poles.

But i don't agree that Russians are not Slavic peoples. Mostly their genetics is R1a Slavic.

Btw. Slavs are Ethno-lingustic group. Not just a lingustic. It is a different term from Ugro-Finns.

Russians are numb 1. of Slavs becouse of their power and won battles in history, not becouse of genetics.

[Lavrentis]

Classy as always.
Stop being so aggressive.

She is so delusional.

[Insuperable]

Ones from FTDNA, ysearch and 23andme. A member of Serbian DNA project once composed a statistic based on roughly 74 Herzegovinian Croats and Muslims (later not being deficient in I2a1b to downplay total sample enough) which were available then (with surnames visible), and it revealed similar figure.

Post links, especially those from ftnda, ysearch and 23andme. On 23andme are just a handul Croats from Herzegovina. I have only three in my list and I doubt there are more (two guys tested for I2a and a woman whose father was also tested and is I2a).

In this study 90 people were Croats from B&H and 71% of them was I2a and 73% of Croats from Herzegovina were I2a
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1529-8817.2005.00190.x/full

In this study 141 sample of people from Herzegovina was used mainly on Croats or only Croats (two locations used Široki Brijeg and Mostar). 64% I2a + 2% I*
https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/22/10/1964/1137872/High-Resolution-Phylogenetic-Analysis-of

[Stears]

Average Hungarian is more Eastern looking and more swarthy

hahaha, the Russians are significantly more eastern genetically (and mongoloid admixed) than the Hungarians, so it is impossible.

When will you collect enough money, to travel to your eurasian Russia to see the reality, monkey boy ?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

hahaha, the Russians are significantly more eastern genetically (and mongoloid admixed) than the Hungarians, so it is impossible.

When will you collect enough money, to travel to your eurasian Russia to see the reality, monkey boy ?

I was, and they have also very European looking people. Also is visible some asian input in some people, but there are pure European Russians also.

[Decius]

Either another triggered srpski cetnik or a self hating balija on galactic proportions, both are inexcusable and pathetic to me.

Im trying to not start fights and insult people, Im sorry if I have insulted you in the past for no reason. Now I only insult people if they attack me or Serbs. Vlatko is non of those things he is a logical and intellegent person.

[Stears]

Average hungarian morph

https://i.imgur.com/KxzzZhA.jpg

Source: https://pmsol3.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/world-of-averages-europeave/

Neo-Cuman face, but at least it is less ugly than the Russian face.

[Decius]

hahaha, the Russians are significantly more eastern genetically (and mongoloid admixed) than the Hungarians, so it is impossible.

When will you collect enough money, to travel to your eurasian Russia to see the reality, monkey boy ?

Should I show the hungarian morph again?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Neo-Cuman face, but at least it is less ugly than the Russian face.

No. this guy is more ugly. Definitly. Objective looking.

[Decius]

Neo-Cuman face, but at least it is less ugly than the Russian face.

It proved my point though of Hungarians being darker then Russians

[Lucia]

She is so delusional.

Well, she can be delusional, let her spread her ridiculousness when she's so into it. But I have noticed she calls other people the worst insults ever when they don't agree with her.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

There are 7-8 active Albanians who defend Albania from Cristiano Viejo. From Serbs there is just 1, Srpski Cetnik.

I didn't know you were such a great guy coming to support the most vulnerable here. lol

CV is irrelevant as toilet paper when I wipe my ass when I'm done shitting.

[Decius]

Well, she can be delusional, let her spread her ridiculousness when she's so into it. But I have noticed she calls other people the worst insults ever when they don't agree with her.

you have 666 posts lol

[Stears]

I agree that Russians on average is less Slavic then Poles.

But i don't agree that Russians are not Slavic peoples. Mostly their genetics is R1a Slavic.

Btw. Slavs are Ethno-lingustic group. Not just a lingustic. It is a different term from Ugro-Finns.

Russians are numb 1. of Slavs becouse of their power and won battles in history, not becouse of genetics.

Poland has the most glorious history among the Slavs. maybe because they are less mixed with asian people ? :))))

[Lavrentis]

Albanians and Greeks have it even though their main R1b is R1b-L23, which is Yamnaya Bronze Age Warrior.

As I said in a comment of mine previously, I think R1b-L23 was brought to Greece by Arvanites instead of it being ancient. I remember seeing that Eupedia map and R1b-L23 was mostly present in Greece in places that were settled by Arvanites (Attica and east Peloponnese).

[katniss]

Stop with whatever you are smoking right there.

R1b-U152 is almost-absent from South Slavs, except Croatians.


Albanians and Greeks have it even though their main R1b is R1b-L23, which is Yamnaya Bronze Age Warrior.

Distribution of haplogroup R1b-S28 (U152) in Europe
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S28.gif

My source of information is a Serbian DNK project with the results of over 1000 people tested. Do you have R1b U152 in Albanian DNA project? An Albanian branch of R1b is mostly R1b BY611. Don't show maps from eupedia because most of them are not correct.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I didn't know you were such a great guy coming to support the most vulnerable here. lol

CV is irrelevant as toilet paper when I wipe my ass when I'm done shitting.

I never insulted Albanians so you can't say that i am against Albania. So stop speaking bullshits. I defend Serbs becouse i know that Hungarians are frustrated becouse Serbs destroyed them in WW1 (from where originate their hate). Also they were destroyed by Russians and their capital Budapest. So Stears have frustration with historical contecst.

You should stop insulting me becouse i said nothing against Albanians and you speaking bullshits without a 1 proof.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Im trying to not start fights and insult people, Im sorry if I have insulted you in the past for no reason. Now I only insult people if they attack me or Serbs. Vlatko is non of those things he is a logical and intellegent person.

You did not in fact I admit that you hold much admirable position because you're more honest even if we are opposite end what we represent and what we think, Vlatko however is truly a disgrace for other bosniak members, certainly not a bright cookie around.

[Stears]

It proved my point though of Hungarians being darker then Russians

Hungarian citizenship =/= ethnic Hungarian

20% of Hungarian citizens refuse to declare their ethnicity in the official census. It is because they are not Hungarian origin.

Deal with it.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Poland has the most glorious history among the Slavs. maybe because they are less mixed with asian people ? :))))

I like Poland and Polish people becouse they are not same as you.

But Poland was very weak country, always in history except the time Commonwealth and of Winged Hussars and kicking Turks from Wienna :)

Russians have the most glorious history among the Slavs (which prooves their territory) and today's military power.

In history they dealed with all attackers. Napoleon, Hitler, Poles conquerors, Tatar, Khazaks, Lithuanians. All were kicked from Russia (even if i like Poland as i said).

I like Poland, but they are glorious second, after Russia :)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I never insulted Albanians so you can't say that i am against Albania. So stop speaking bullshits. I defend Serbs becouse i know that Hungarians are frustrated becouse Serbs destroyed them in WW1 (from where originate their hate). Also they were destroyed by Russians and their capital Budapest. So Stears have frustration with historical contecst.

You should stop insulting me becouse i said nothing against Albanians and you speaking bullshits without a 1 proof.

Why exactly you take pride on that event, you know very well Russians dislikes you, so do Serbs.

I haven't reacted because you insulted Albanians but because of your approach, know the difference.

[Stears]

I never insulted Albanians so you can't say that i am against Albania. So stop speaking bullshits. I defend Serbs becouse i know that Hungarians are frustrated becouse Serbs destroyed them in WW1 (from where originate their hate). Also they were destroyed by Russians and their capital Budapest. So Stears have frustration with historical contecst.

You should stop insulting me becouse i said nothing against Albanians and you speaking bullshits without a 1 proof.

Serbs have destroy Hungarians in WW1 ? :))))))))))))))

Serbia was captured in record speed during ww1, and the army escaped to Corfu. Please, don't make me laugh.


The Russians have destroy Budapest, but they outnumber the defenders with great numbers, because Russian population is 20X more than the Hungarian. so it can supply much larger armies.

I don't like the Russians and their primitive culture during soviet occupation of Hungary, because they have the typical asian mentality, that has quantity but very low (laughable) quality.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Why exactly you take pride on that event, you know very well Russians dislikes you, so do Serbs.

I haven't reacted because you insulted Albanians but because of your approach, know the difference.

I know a lot of Serbs which you Albanians did not in contact. They even accept Kosovo as state. I spoke yesterday with a mature Serb who said : "Kosovo is in my hearth as in every Serb hearth is but we need to accept Kosovo as state. Nothing we can't to about it".

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Serbs have destroy Hungarians in WW1 ? :))))))))))))))

Serbia was captured in record speed during ww1, and the army escaped to Corfu. Please, don't make me laugh.


The Russians have destroy Budapest, but they outnumber the defenders with great numbers, because Russian population is 20X more than the Hungarian. so it can supply much larger armies.

I don't like the Russians and their primitive culture during soviet occupation of Hungary, because they have the typical asian mentality, that has quantity but very low (laughable) quality.

Austro-Hungary battles uneducated guy.

Battle of Cer, Battle of Kolubara, both won by Serbs (EVEN THEY WERE SMALLER IN NUMBER!)

Austro-Hungary 53 millions citizens, Serbia 4.5 millions citizens and Serbia won with smaller number of soldiers.

Shame on you superior western knights ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cer

200 000 vs 180 000

Deal with the reallity.

[Stears]

I like Poland and Polish people becouse they are not same as you.

But Poland was very weak country, always in history except the time Commonwealth and of Winged Hussars and kicking Turks from Wienna :)

Russians have the most glorious history among the Slavs (which prooves their territory) and today's military power.

In history they dealed with all attackers. Napoleon, Hitler, Poles conquerors, Tatar, Khazaks, Lithuanians. All were kicked from Russia (even if i like Poland as i said).

I like Poland, but they are glorious second, after Russia :)

So weak country, that they have occupied Moscow.

Russia always had very low culture, only after Peter the Great imported western scientists engineeers and culture Russia became the real power.

Do not forget how primitive and backward is average infrastructure in Russia, compared with Hungary.

I can't see nothing glorious about Russia. They defeat their enemies because of the russian winter, and their numbers. It has nothing to do with military genius.

[Decius]

Hungarian citizenship =/= ethnic Hungarian

20% of Hungarian citizens refuse to declare their ethnicity in the official census. It is because they are not Hungarian origin.

Deal with it.

Russia is only 80% Ethnic Russian the rest are Tatars, Chechens etc

[Vlatko Vukovic]

So weak country, that they have occupied Moscow.

Russia always had very low culture, only after Peter the Great imported western scientists engineeers and culture Russia became the real power.

Do not forget how primitive and backward is average infrastructure in Russia, compared with Hungary.

I can't see nothing glorious about Russia. They defeat their enemies because of the russian winter, and their numbers. It has nothing to do with military genius.

Poles occupied Moscow 1 time, while Russians occupied all Poland 3 or 4 times :)) You forget this fact.

Russia is simply no 1. among Slavs in power of country. Nothing for debate about it.

Poland is second.

[Decius]

So weak country, that they have occupied Moscow.

Russia always had very low culture, only after Peter the Great imported western scientists engineeers and culture Russia became the real power.

Do not forget how primitive and backward is average infrastructure in Russia, compared with Hungary.

I can't see nothing glorious about Russia. They defeat their enemies because of the russian winter, and their numbers. It has nothing to do with military genius.

The Russians are the biggest nuclear power and the west is being invaded by migrants, Its not looking to good for the west when it comes to this western european culture you speak of

[Stears]

Austro-Hungary battles uneducated guy.

Battle of Cer, Battle of Kolubara, both won by Serbs (EVEN THEY WERE SMALLER IN NUMBER!)

Austro-Hungary 53 millions citizens, Serbia 4.5 millions citizens and Serbia won with smaller number of soldiers.

Shame on you superior western knights ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cer

200 000 vs 180 000

Deal with the reallity.

One battle ? :)))

Serbia was defeated, and Belgrad captured. If the allies haven't transported the Serbian army to Corfu, they would be totaly destroyed in WW1.

The reality is that without the American intervention, allies would lose the WW1.

The Serbians should be thankful to the USA, because they made them the winners.

[Lavrentis]

The Russians are the biggest nuclear power and the west is being invaded by migrants, Its not looking to good for the west when it comes to this western european culture you speak of

Did your parents "invade" Canada too?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

One battle ? :)))

Serbia was defeated, and Belgrad captured. If the allies haven't transported the Serbian army to Corfu, they would be totaly destroyed in WW1.

The reality is that without the American intervention, allies would lose the WW1.

The Serbians should be thankful to the USA, because they made them the winners.

Second battle : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kolubara

Interesting. Again Serbs with a smaller number.

400 000 vs 450 000 , and intreseting, again Austro-Hungary lose.

How are you not ashamed of this??

Bacward eastern orthodox Serbs defeated you 2 times, both times with significant smaller number :)

Wrong. You lose war, Serbs won. Also, as WW2 was :))

[Decius]

One battle ? :)))

Serbia was defeated, and Belgrad captured. If the allies haven't transported the Serbian army to Corfu, they would be totaly destroyed in WW1.

The reality is that without the American intervention, allies would lose the WW1.

The Serbians should be thankful to the USA, because they made them the winners.

Youre being hypocritical, you said that Russia was an unfair comparison with hungary because of numbers now you are saying that Serbs were destroyed by austro hungary someone could also say that thats unfair because of numbers

[Lucia]

Austro-Hungary battles uneducated guy.

Battle of Cer, Battle of Kolubara, both won by Serbs (EVEN THEY WERE SMALLER IN NUMBER!)

Austro-Hungary 53 millions citizens, Serbia 4.5 millions citizens and Serbia won with smaller number of soldiers.

Shame on you superior western knights ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cer

200 000 vs 180 000

Deal with the reallity.

Well your ancestors also likely served in the A-H army, as Bosnia was a part of the empire...

[Stears]

The Russians are the biggest nuclear power and the west is being invaded by migrants, Its not looking to good for the west when it comes to this western european culture you speak of

White European christian power on streets of Moscow :)))))))))))

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/L94-87Ho8aE/maxresdefault.jpg
http://www.interpretermag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Muslim-Youth.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u-U0X9YsysM/U9fveiZ5ceI/AAAAAAAAgCI/FQ_Kv1wl3sI/s1600/mu1.jpeg

Here is your anti-migrant ''white'' Russia.

[Stears]

The Russia has similar ratio of muslims, like the western Europe.

Biggest muslim city in Europe is Moscow.

Deal with it.

[Decius]

Did your parents "invade" Canada too?

Stears comment was how western culture is superior to Orthodox culture, I was trying to make a point and say that western european culture will die out and they wont have a culture.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Well your ancestors also likely served in the A-H army, as Bosnia was a part of the empire...

Yes. My ancestors were not but mainly Bosnians was.

I am ashamed of it really.

And the fact is all fought for Austro-Hungary (Austrians, Hungarians,Czechs, Croats, Bosnians also) and they were beaten by Serbs only even with smaller number?!

I think that these soldiers were very laughable.

Maybe the stears's grandfather leaded them. So they were laughable during this campaign.

[Decius]

The Russia has similar ratio of muslims, like the western Europe.

Biggest muslim city in Europe is Moscow.

Deal with it.

Yes but there is much more muslim immigration to the western world and in the future the west will be far more muslim then Russia

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The Russia has similar ratio of muslims, like the western Europe.

Biggest muslim city in Europe is Moscow.

Deal with it.

Still Russia is no 1. of glorious countries of Slavs. There is not need for debate about it.

This is visible in every man's eyes.

So deal with the reallity.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I know a lot of Serbs which you Albanians did not in contact. They even accept Kosovo as state. I spoke yesterday with a mature Serb who said : "Kosovo is in my hearth as in every Serb hearth is but we need to accept Kosovo as state. Nothing we can't to about it".

Should I care what anonymous guy says from Bosnia, the fact they generally regard this land as holy land is irritating, ofc they cannot do anything about it if they could they would.

[Stears]

Stears comment was how western culture is superior to Orthodox culture, I was trying to make a point and say that western european culture will die out and they wont have a culture.

Interestingly I have never seen Serbian migrant from Russia, but all of them from Canada, USA , Germany ?

Why don't you migrate to your beloved Russia, instead of the evil west ?

Hypocrite trash.

[Stears]

The Serbians ''hate'' the west, but they love the western money and living standard.

[Decius]

Interestingly I have never seen Serbian migrant from Russia, but all of them from Canada, USA , Germany ?

Why don't you migrate to your beloved Russia, instead of the evil west ?

Hypocrite trash.

I dont want to stay in the west when im older I will likely move to Russia or Serbia btw I dont the west is entirely Evil I think this modern western neo liberalism is evil.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Should I care what anonymous guy says from Bosnia, the fact they generally regard this land as holy land is irritating, ofc they cannot do anything about it if they could they would.

Just think, if you born as Serb would you like Kosovo?

[Decius]

The Serbians ''hate'' the west, but they love the western money and living standard.

I dont hate the west at all I dislike the modern western degenerates that accept filthy things like transgenderism

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The Serbians ''hate'' the west, but they love the western money and living standard.

Stears you ran from the thread about austoe hungarian laughable army. Who was dedtroyed by serbs (even serbia had 4 mil citizens but austro hungary 53mil)

Laughable soldiers really.

[Stears]

Yes. My ancestors were not but mainly Bosnians was.

I am ashamed of it really.

And the fact is all fought for Austro-Hungary (Austrians, Hungarians,Czechs, Croats, Bosnians also) and they were beaten by Serbs only even with smaller number?!

I think that these soldiers were very laughable.

Maybe the stears's grandfather leaded them. So they were laughable during this campaign.

Sorry, my ancestors participated in real battles on the eastern front, not in small local battles on the Balkan.

The Serbian army escape to the Corfu was laughable. Gypsy tactic.

[Stears]

Still Russia is no 1. of glorious countries of Slavs. There is not need for debate about it.

This is visible in every man's eyes.

So deal with the reallity.

I think, only the Balkanite slavs can share this opinion.

[Stears]

Yes but there is much more muslim immigration to the western world and in the future the west will be far more muslim then Russia

Muslim terrorist attacks were common thing in Russia, much before they have appear in the west...

[Decius]

I think, only the Balkanite slavs can share this opinion.

You cannot forget that you are part balkanite slav too. Dalmatia is in the balkans my friend

[Decius]

Muslim terrorist attacks were common thing in Russia, much before they have appear in the west...

They are much more of a common thing in the west though today

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Sorry, my ancestors participated in real battles on the eastern front, not in small local battles on the Balkan.

The Serbian army escape to the Corfu was laughable. Gypsy tactic.

400 000 hungarian laughable soldiers vs 450 000 serbs is local battle? Hahahhaha It was very big battle which Hungarians lost.

Gypsy tactic destroyed your 53 milion country 2 times (Cer, Kolubara) with smaller army number with less artillery and gun power. So we can conclude that Hungarians are laughable soldiers.

Also Britain lost battle on Gallipoli.

Again 480 000 British versus 315 000 Turks. Again westerners lost.

Where is your superiority Stears? Where is it?

You are just monkey who spread bullshits on TA.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I think, only the Balkanite slavs can share this opinion.

Stears you are clown. In all countries which you go, and speak Slavic, first thing on their mind is "Russian". Russians are the greatest power and the mostly strong Slavic country in every mean.

And you even know it, all people know it.

[Stears]

You cannot forget that you are part balkanite slav too. Dalmatia is in the balkans my friend

The Dalmatians belong to the western christian culture. Balkan is your semi-asian orthodox culture.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Just think, if you born as Serb would you like Kosovo?

Why should only serb position be important in Kosovo, for instance they were never majority in 100 years but invaded Kosovo with pretext of 'holy serbian land' while had all that power at expense of majority albanians for next 100 years, and that's just Kosova, not talking of other parts which albanians also had no saying, in spite of all that we still have gave them exclusive right of minority in many cases more what 4% are given in any EU country.....They are not be complained but are to be blamed.

[Stears]

400 000 hungarian laughable soldiers vs 450 000 serbs is local battle? Hahahhaha It was very big battle which Hungarians lost.

Gypsy tactic destroyed your 53 milion country 2 times (Cer, Kolubara) with smaller army number with less artillery and gun power. So we can conclude that Hungarians are laughable soldiers.

Also Britain lost battle on Gallipoli.

Again 480 000 British versus 315 000 Turks. Again westerners lost.

Where is your superiority Stears? Where is it?

You are just monkey who spread bullshits on TA.

Again, if there were no American involvement, Serbia Romania and other small balkanite countries would have stayed where they were, captured and defeated.

Deal with it.

[Decius]

The Dalmatians belong to the western christian culture. Balkan is your semi-asian orthodox culture.

Balkan is people on the balkan penninsula, Dalmatians are culturally balkan, And more simalar to other south slavs like serbs and bosniaks then they are to hungarians and germans

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Why should only serb position be important in Kosovo, for instance they were never majority in 100 years but invaded Kosovo with pretext of 'holy serbian land' while had all that power at expense of majority albanians for next 100 years, and that's just Kosova, not talking of other parts which albanians also had no saying, in spite of all that we still have gave them exclusive right of minority in many cases more what 4% are given in any EU country.....They are not be complained but are to be blamed.

I am not saying that they were not attacking Albanians... I know clearly good that they invade Drač (i don't know how you call it Durres?) and occupy Albania for exit to the sea. I just say to you, that if you born as Serb you would love Kosovo, just like all Serbs loves it.

[Stears]

Balkan is people on the balkan penninsula, Dalmatians are culturally balkan, And more simalar to other south slavs like serbs and bosniaks then they are to hungarians and germans

Wrong. Dalmatian culture is much more similar to the Italian, than to Serbian and Bosnian.

They are mediterranean people culturally.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Again, if there were no American involvement, Serbia Romania and other small balkanite countries would have stayed where they were, captured and defeated.

Deal with it.

America have nothing with your backward coward soldiers who were more numbered and more armored in battles of Cer, Kolubara, also Galipolli and you westerners lost all of them.

Deal with your fucking western hungarian coward reallity.

[Decius]

Wrong. Dalmatian culture is much more similar to the Italian, than to Serbian and Bosnian.

They are mediterranean people culturally.

Overall though dalmatian croats are more simalar to Dalmatian serbs, Bosniaks and other south slavs then Hungarians and Germans

[Stears]

America have nothing with your backward coward soldiers who were more numbered and more armored in battles of Cer, Kolubara, also Galipolli and you westerners lost all of them.

Deal with your fucking western hungarian coward reallity.

Monkey, are you offended ? :)))))

Coward is your serbian ancestors who escape to Corfu, only to be saved by the allies.

YOur westerners Americans (and the British) saved your ass. You should be more thankful, insted of licking russian ass.

[cosmoo]

Post links, especially those from ftnda, ysearch and 23andme. On 23andme are just a handul Croats from Herzegovina. I have only three in my list and I doubt there are more (two guys tested for I2a and a woman whose father was also tested and is I2a).

In this study 90 people were Croats from B&H and 71% of them was I2a and 73% of Croats from Herzegovina were I2a
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1529-8817.2005.00190.x/full

In this study 141 sample of people from Herzegovina was used mainly on Croats or only Croats (two locations used Široki Brijeg and Mostar). 64% I2a + 2% I*
https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/22/10/1964/1137872/High-Resolution-Phylogenetic-Analysis-of

I was unable to find the one I talked about, but I found another, comprising of 42 B&H Croats from public databases (surnames and places of origin included), which puts their I2 as a whole at roughly 45%:
http://www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=146.msg57890#msg57890

As for those anonymous researches, I'm wary of some results, in particular 15% of E1b among Bosnians Serbs (data from public research strongly contradicting it), as well as lack of some specific haplogroups which are commonly found among them (I1-P109, J2b1 and N2a-P189.2).

[Ylla]

The Dinarid phenotype or Dinarid subrace is a tall broad headed warrior race from the mountains of south east europe, Many famous Serbian heroes, and other balkan heroes are part of the Dinarid subrace. Dinaric people fought against the ottomans and other invaders with great success.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3J5Ns1_XM4

first time i agree with you :P

[Stears]

Overall though dalmatian croats are more simalar to Dalmatian serbs, Bosniaks and other south slavs then Hungarians and Germans

No. The southern european culture much closer to the central european, than to orthodox Eurasian culture.

Deal with it.

[Decius]

No. The southern european culture much closer to the central european, than to orthodox Eurasian culture.

Deal with it.

Overall from not just a cultural standpoint they are related to other south slavs more

Then do you consider Serbs from Dalmatia western because they are practically the same as Croats from Dalmatia culturally (Besides religion)

[Stears]

Overall from not just a cultural standpoint they are related to other south slavs more

Then do you consider Serbs from Dalmatia western because they are practically the same as Croats from Dalmatia culturally (Besides religion)

I don't think so....

The orthodox Romanians lived in Transylvania since the late medieval era, and they haven't similar culture to the Hungarians, because the gap between Catholic-Protestant and orthodox world was always too big.

Same happen with the Poles and othodox eastern slavs in Galicia.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I am not saying that they were not attacking Albanians... I know clearly good that they invade Drač (i don't know how you call it Durres?) and occupy Albania for exit to the sea. I just say to you, that if you born as Serb you would love Kosovo, just like all Serbs loves it.

Durres (also is international recognized by this name, not just by albos), do not make hypothetical questions to balance things out, we know how Kosova was lost but before I say how they lost, they love Kosova as territory because from beginning they are told that Kosova is serbian holy land and worth to die for from their religious leaders, I find this appalling and irritating because their society in general is mislead and think that Kosova historically belong to them while disregarded Albanians entirely, with this mindset they lost Kosova and with this mindset they will lose other territories if they continue to act like this.

[Decius]

I don't think so....

The orthodox Romanians lived in Transylvania since the late medieval era, and they haven't similar culture to the Hungarians, because the gap between Catholic-Protestant and orthodox world was always too big.

Same happen with the Poles and othodox eastern slavs in Galicia.

The problem with that is that there are serbs and croats in dalmatia that have literally been neighbours for centuries and centuries and share the exact same culture besides religion

[Vlatko Vukovic]

No. The southern european culture much closer to the central european, than to orthodox Eurasian culture.

Deal with it.

We clearly prooved that Hungarians are bacward coward soldiers. Now we will proof that orthodoxy have nothing to do with the Asia.

Actually, 95% of the orthodox states are in European continent, while many African states are chatolicized and black people in USA protestantized.

Now we will proove also that chatolic westerners tried to impose chatolic religion to Eastern Slavs :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_on_the_Ice

Again, westerner chatolic Crusaders defeated and kicked from Novgorod (northern Russia) by kniaz Alexander Nevsky.

Now Stears are again defeated.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Durres (also is international recognized by this name, not just by albos), do not make hypothetical questions to balance things out, we know how Kosova was lost but before I say how they lost, they love Kosova as territory because from beginning they are told that Kosova is serbian holy land and worth to die for from their religious leaders, I find this appalling and irritating because their society in general is mislead and think that Kosova historically belong to them while disregarded Albanians entirely, with this mindset they lost Kosova and with this mindset they will lose other territories if they continue to act like this.

I know. I said you that there are normal Serbs who knows it. Not all idiots, like Novi Pazar.

[Lucia]

The problem with that is that there are serbs and croats in dalmatia that have literally been neighbours for centuries and centuries and share the exact same culture besides religion

Where? Dalmatian Hinterland? It's not the same if you speak about the Dalmatian cities and islands.

[Decius]

Durres (also is international recognized by this name, not just by albos), do not make hypothetical questions to balance things out, we know how Kosova was lost but before I say how they lost, they love Kosova as territory because from beginning they are told that Kosova is serbian holy land and worth to die for from their religious leaders, I find this appalling and irritating because their society in general is mislead and think that Kosova historically belong to them while disregarded Albanians entirely, with this mindset they lost Kosova and with this mindset they will lose other territories if they continue to act like this.

I would let go of Kosovo if Serbia was given the Serb Dominated northern part of Kosovo

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Stears is defeated and he left now. Good night butthurt Stears.

[Insuperable]

I was unable to find the one I talked about, but I found another, comprising of 42 B&H Croats from public databases (surnames and places of origin included), which puts their I2 as a whole at roughly 45%:
http://www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=146.msg57890#msg57890

As for those anonymous researches, I'm wary of some results, in particular 15% of E1b among Bosnians Serbs (data from public research strongly contradicting it), as well as lack of some specific haplogroups which are commonly found among them (I1-P109, J2b1 and N2a-P189.2).

Of those who are from Herzegovina 9 are I2a, 2 are I1 and 8 are non-I. I didn't include two guys who are I2a since there is no location listed, but they are almost definitely from Herzegovina judging by their surnames. Small sample list though.

[Proto-Shaman]

Von Eickstedt was a terrible anthropologist, and I don't even think I need to explain why this division is retarded and innacurate.

you are just anti-Anschluss, you have anti-German sentiment, hence your opinion does not count. SIEG HEIL !!

[Hadouken]

loool wtf

[Gone West]

Again, westerner chatolic Crusaders defeated and kicked from Novgorod (northern Russia) by kniaz Alexander Nevsky.

Now Stears are again defeated.

The westerner catholic Crusaders proved their superiority. One defeat does not mean no victory.

[Herr Abubu]

The westerner catholic Crusaders proved their superiority. One defeat does not mean no victory.

How did they prove their superiority?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The westerner catholic Crusaders proved their superiority. One defeat does not mean no victory.

Stears claimed that westerns are superior race in the world, but the fact is, whenever westerners tried to occupy Eastern Europeans, it always ends as counter-offensive from the Eastern Europe.

Westerner Crusaders are also defeated by Saladin.

I am just proving Stears that he is moron. That is all.

[Babak]

Iranid+Turanid phenotypes look more warrior-like tbh

http://i.imgur.com/99suKBx.jpg?1

http://imgkelebek.hurriyet.com.tr/LiveImages/Kelebek%20Haber%20Galerisi/923/BURAK%20%C3%96Z%C3%87%C4%B0V%C4%B0T%20CEYLAN%20BEN %C4%B0%20KISKANMAZ%202%20MART%202012/LargeFolder/00.jpg?13022015095055

[Dick]

http://p.fod4.com/upload/aff3567c9abaad4b798a350dc1e1b1a3/VBLcjceQQMukcPP2j4G3_Ultimate%20Warrior%20Top%20Ro pe.gif

[Proto-Shaman]

Iranid+Turanid phenotypes look more warrior-like tbh

https://i.imgur.com/4sWaI4z.gif

[Livin]

The reason why Greece made revolution in 1821 against ottomam empire....!!!!

Arvanites and vlachs the majorith were Dinarics!!!!!

For me along with Nordics the strongest phenotype when it comes wars, revolutions,rebels etc!!!!

Proud for have some dinaric traits on my face!!!

[cyberlorian]

The Dinarid phenotype or Dinarid subrace is a tall broad headed warrior race from the mountains of south east europe, Many famous Serbian heroes, and other balkan heroes are part of the Dinarid subrace. Dinaric people fought against the ottomans and other invaders with great success.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3J5Ns1_XM4

Dinarid is mountain adapted Irano Mediterranid.

[Crn Volk]

The Dinarid phenotype or Dinarid subrace is a tall broad headed warrior race from the mountains of south east europe, Many famous Serbian heroes, and other balkan heroes are part of the Dinarid subrace. Dinaric people fought against the ottomans and other invaders with great success.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3J5Ns1_XM4

Yes

[de Burgh II]

http://p.fod4.com/upload/aff3567c9abaad4b798a350dc1e1b1a3/VBLcjceQQMukcPP2j4G3_Ultimate%20Warrior%20Top%20Ro pe.gif

https://i.imgur.com/UrNHF3p.gif

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1c16eae87bc940de33bab9cc2ac261ee/tenor.gif?itemid=5547723

https://media.giphy.com/media/FXo3Din7pWybK/giphy.gif