Poland is in Western Europe (officially, since September 2017)

[Peterski]

FTSE Russell announces results of FTSE annual country classification review:

Poland to be promoted to Developed from Advanced Emerging
Kuwait to be classified as Secondary Emerging
Saudi Arabia will soon meet promotion criteria. Index users and market practitioners readiness now to be assessed; inclusion indexes to be launched in October
China A-Shares remain on Watch List for possible inclusion as Secondary Emerging
FTSE Russell provides progress update on other current Watch List countries

FTSE Russell today announces the results of the FTSE Annual Country Classification Review for 2017. FTSE Russell formally reviews country classifications within its FTSE Global Equity Index Series (FTSE GEIS) each September using a comprehensive, transparent and consistent methodology. This annual review incorporates ongoing country classification research and feedback from the independent FTSE Russell external advisory committees to designate markets as Developed, Advanced Emerging, Secondary Emerging or Frontier.

Following the September 2017 annual review, FTSE Russell confirms the following:

Poland, currently an Advanced Emerging market, to be reclassified as a Developed market
Kuwait, currently unclassified, to be included as a Secondary Emerging market
Saudi Arabia close to upgrade and will be assessed again in March 2018
China A-Shares to remain on the Watch List for possible inclusion as a Secondary Emerging market
Iceland to be added to the Watch List for possible inclusion as Frontier market
Nigeria and Mongolia to drop off the Watch List

FTSE Russell congratulates Poland and Kuwait on meeting the requirements for attaining Developed and Secondary Emerging market status respectively. The reclassification of Kuwait is in recognition of the recent market enhancements implemented by the Capital Market Authority of Kuwait and Boursa Kuwait. The implementation of Poland and Kuwait’s revised market status will commence from September 2018.

Source: http://www.ftserussell.com/files/press-releases/ftse-russell-announces-results-ftse-annual-country-classification-review-092917


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlG5sTV50Yw

Screw geography, we are now officially part of Western Europe, like Finland and Greece - right?

[Peterski]

Mark Makepeace, CEO FTSE Russell said:

“Congratulations to Poland and Kuwait. The authorities in these countries have worked hard to achieve their promotions.

Poland STRONK !!!!!!!11111!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KrWneSgOhc

[Hamlet]

Congrats!

[Peterski]

Congrats!

The sun is now brighter, the grass is greener and the water is more wet.

[Hamlet]

The sun is now brighter, the grass is greener and the water is more wet.

Ha, I see your point, it's just Poland is traditionally seen as quite backwards (not their fault, blame Uncle Joe), that's all.

[Peterski]

Ha, I see your point, it's just Poland is traditionally seen as quite backwards (not their fault, blame Uncle Joe), that's all.

I changed the title of the thread to "Poland is now officially in Western Europe".

[Veslan]

Sad news, I prefered to be a part of eastern europe :(

[Peterski]

How to be Western Europeans? We need to learn it now.

[Antimage]

Congrats to Polska.

[Ülev]

Poland should be the center of the universe

[Peterski]

Bump.

[Dandelion]

And no, you can't place camera in the lady toilet. :p

[Peterski]

And no, you can't place camera in the lady toilet. :p

Now that we are in Western Europe, we will have to abandon Eastern European hobbies:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FjAiENViSM

[Rudel]

You can't be in Western Europe if you're not in Western Europe. That has nothing to do with wealth.

[Óttar]

https://i1.kwejk.pl/k/obrazki/2015/08/86929cc0d6a69efe52a21efb3899e9be_fb.png

[Peterski]

You can't be in Western Europe if you're not in Western Europe.

But Europe was divided into Western and Eastern based on wealth (capitalist west vs. feudal and then communist east).


That has nothing to do with wealth.

Of course it does. If not wealth then what? Geography? Culture? Culturally Poland has been mostly Western since 966 AD (or at least since 1054 AD). Geographically we are in the middle of Europe (or perhaps even in its western half), so Western is as correct as Eastern.

How can Finland or Greece be considered as Western Europe if they are located to the east of Poland.

And Greece is now poorer than Poland.

[Dandelion]

And Greece is now poorer than Poland.

They still live more broadly than Poles, but that's because Eastern European countries pay to keep their country afloat, ironically. Less earning Eastern Euro tax money to help an artificially 'rich' country. ;) Still sucks for Greece to be where they're at and it is what it is to keep the system afloat.

[Dandelion]

https://i1.kwejk.pl/k/obrazki/2015/08/86929cc0d6a69efe52a21efb3899e9be_fb.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Miroslaw_H.jpg

[Peterski]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Miroslaw_H.jpg

Yes, Poles already were in space before:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirosław_Hermaszewski

[Ülev]

This guy was first

Twardowski fell on the Moon where he lives to this day. His only companion is his sidekick whom he once turned into a spider; from time to time Twardowski lets the spider descend to Earth on a thread and bring him news from the world below.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Twardowski

[Peterski]

You can't be in Western Europe if you're not in Western Europe. That has nothing to do with wealth.

Ukraine is in southern-Central Europe, so it makes sense that Poland is in Western Europe:

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/ukraine-140517122216-phpapp02/95/ukraine-3-638.jpg?cb=1438273691

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/welcometoukraine-150327065759-conversion-gate01/95/welcome-to-ukraine-2-638.jpg?cb=1427457513

^^^ Lithuania is the geographical center of Europe:

https://www.bizbon.com/lithuania/

Geographical center of Europe is located to the east of Poland, in the East Baltic region:

https://i.imgur.com/PUjfqEF.jpg

^^^ But there are some alternative geographical centers of Europe as well:

https://s10.postimg.org/5oh77eg9l/Central_Europe.png

[Autrigón]

Congratulations, now the next step is to be in the Euro currency club to be fucked forever.

[Rudel]

Ukraine is in southern-Central Europe, so it makes sense that Poland is in Western Europe:

Poland is East of the Elbe. It's in Eastern Europe. Beyond that it's just white Mongols.

[Peterski]

Poland is East of the Elbe. It's in Eastern Europe. Beyond that it's just white Mongols.

Wrong. Mesolithic France was not even Europe, but the land of brown people, unlike Eastern and Northern parts of Europe.

White Europeans originated in North-Eastern Europe:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2017/09/19/135616.DC4/135616-1.pdf

"Western hunter-gatherers (WHG) had a distinctive blue-eyed, dark skin pigmentation phenotype1,2 that emerged in the Mesolithic.6 In contrast, we show that Mesolithic and Neolithic individuals from Ukraine, Latvia and the Iron Gates [in the Balkans] had, like Scandinavian and Eastern [Russian] hunter-gatherers, intermediate to high frequencies of the derived skin pigmentation allele at SLC24A5. Unlike Scandinavian and Eastern [Russian] hunter-gatherers, however, they have low frequency of the derived SLC45A2 allele. The derived OCA2/HERC2 allele associated with light (particularly blue) eye color is common in WHG, SHG, and hunter-gatherers from Latvia, but at low frequency in hunter-gatherers from Ukraine and the Iron Gates. This allele appears to be differentiated in a North-South gradient, as it is today – suggesting the possibility of long-term balancing selection due to geographic variation in selective pressure. The WHG phenotype of light eye and dark skin pigmentation1 thus appears to be restricted to western Europe and is far from universal in European hunter-gatherers, with light skin pigmentation common in Northern and Eastern Europe before the appearance of agriculture."

There were also interesting differences in blood types between WHG, farmers, and steppe PIE.

Rh- was common among both the Proto-Indo-Europeans and indigenous hunter-gatherers, but not among early neolithic farmers who came from Anatolia. Hunters had mainly blood type O, followed by A. Farmers also had O and A, but more of A. Steppe PIE populations had mainly A allele, much less of O allele, and they were the ones who introduced blood type B into the rest of Europe:

https://mathii.github.io/2017/09/21/blood-groups-in-ancient-europe

"(...) It turns out that the O allele is at high frequency in hunter-gatherers, but relatively rare on the Steppe. The B allele seems to be absent in both hunter-gatherers and early farmers, and seems to be introduced from the steppe in the Bronze Age. The Rh- allele seems to be relatively common in hunter-gatherers and, particularly, in steppe populations, and relatively rare in early farmers, partly confirming Haldane and Cavalli-Sforza’s hypotheses. Allele frequency estimates are in the figures below (bars show 95% binomial confidence intervals). (...) If we compute expected phenotypic frequencies, this suggests that around around 65% of Mesolithic hunter-gatherers would have been type O, compared to around 40% in present-day Europeans, and around 40% of Steppe-ancestry individuals would have been Rh-, compared to around 24% of hunter-gatherers, 4% of early farmers, and about 16% of present-day Europeans. (...)"

From pages 53-54:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2017/09/19/135616.DC4/135616-1.pdf

"(...) We estimated allele frequencies at three markers that largely determine ABO blood group.14 The 1-base deletion rs8176719 that is the most common type O mutation is at high frequency in hunter-gatherers. Combining all hunter-gatherer populations, we estimate the frequency of the O allele to be 84% (95% CI: 76-89%), which implies that the frequency of the type O phenotype which requires homozygosity for the O allele was 71%. This is significantly higher than the O allele frequency in present-day Europeans (60-65% in 1000 Genomes populations, with corresponding phenotype frequency ~40%). We do not detect the B allele (rs8176746 and rs8176747) in any hunter-gatherers suggesting that all other individuals were type A. In fact, the B allele is not seen in any Neolithic populations either, and is introduced into Europe by Steppe populations who we estimate carry it at ~8% frequency. (...)"

From Ian Mathieson:

https://twitter.com/mathiesoniain/status/911001882063142913

HG = hunter-gatherers
EF = early neolithic farmers
ST = steppe pastoralists

https://mathii.github.io/assets/images/RHD_Phenotype_frequencies.jpg

[Peterski]

France was the land of brown people in the 22nd century BC, and will be the land of brown people again in the 22nd century AD.

You are just returning back to your original condition.

Then our Eastern European Indo-European riders of apocalypse will come again, and conquer you, and make you R1 again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEp76ppPc8o

[Peterski]

Beyond that it's just white Mongols.

French propaganda was claiming that blood group B comes from Medieval Mongol invasions.

But now study shows it is from Caucasoid Proto-Indo-Europeans who came in the Bronze Age.

[Lavrentis]

And Greece is now poorer than Poland.

Wrong. Greeks are still living better than Poles, the difference is that the Greek economy is sinking while the Polish economy is growing.



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[Lavrentis]

Screw geography, we are now officially part of Western Europe, like Finland and Greece - right?

Greece is the birthplace of the Western Civilization while the Slavs appeared in the Middle Ages. Huge difference right there.

Greece has undoubtedly offered more to the West than Poland has. And we are already a multi-cultural society, since we have assimilated from Balkan migrators (Arvanites) to christian Anatolian migrators (Anatolian Greeks). We were multi-cultural before it was cool :p And DESPITE having assimilated non-Western people like the ones I mentioned above, we still remain a Western country.

Also, Greece is considered Western by Western Europeans, unlike Poland.




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[Peterski]

Greece lost its developed market status (you had it back in 2014):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_market#Table

[Peterski]

We were multi-cultural before it was cool :p

Poland was multi-cultural all the way from ca. 1200s/1300s until WW2 and we have also assimilated some Non-Western people.

[Lavrentis]

Well I still don't see how Poland has surpassed Greece in quality of life. The good thing about the Polish economy is that it's growing. Poland deserves to be a stable country.


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[Lavrentis]

Poland was multi-cultural all the way from ca. 1200s/1300s until WW2 and we have also assimilated some Non-Western people.

It cannot be compared to Greece. You have assimilated some Tatars. On the other hand, northern Greece is almost 50% Anatolian Greek and there are also some Hellenized Slavs there. Poland is certainly more homogeneous than Greece


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[Peterski]

It cannot be compared to Greece. You have assimilated some Tatars. On the other hand, northern Greece is almost 50% Anatolian Greek and there are also some Hellenized Slavs there. Poland is certainly more homogeneous than Greece

Not only Tatars. Also Balts, East Slavs, Vlachs, Armenians, Jews, etc., etc.

23andMe ancestry timeline of Polish user Pioterus from ABF:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4J-YployslEJ:www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D48803%26page%3D16+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

https://s25.postimg.org/62r5r50cv/ancestry_timeline.jpg

23andMe ancestry timeline of Polish user Wojewoda from ABF:

https://i.imgur.com/EpU7jj4.png

[Cristiano viejo]

Easterners go crazy to be considered Westerners :cool:

[Lavrentis]

Not only Tatars. Also Balts, East Slavs, Vlachs, Armenians, Jews, etc., etc.

Balts and East Slavs are not really different from Poles. But you're probably right about Armenians and Jews, since there were a lot of such communities in Eastern Europe. Vlachs are interesting, how did they even got to Poland.

The difference is that Greece has assimilated more foreign people though.


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[Peterski]

Balts and East Slavs are not really different from Poles.

They are, especially Balts.

Here is EastPole with obvious Baltic and Belarusian admixtures (even N1c haplogroup):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218770-Subdivisions-of-Polish-people&p=4683313&viewfull=1#post4683313

http://i.imgur.com/ToizhzM.png

His similarity rates in Eurogenes K36 (more similar to Latvians and Belarusians than to Poles):

https://i.imgur.com/wY6gSe5.png

He is number "16" below (for comparison I am number "3"):

https://i.imgur.com/tDt6At6.png

But he is still different from a Belarusian guy, Rugevit:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?187622-Post-your-DNA-Land-ancestry-composion-results&p=3889950&viewfull=1#post3889950

https://s10.postimg.org/6tc5fk08p/image.png

[Lavrentis]

They are, especially Balts. Here is a Pole with obvious Baltic and Belarusian admixtures (even N1c haplogroup):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218770-Subdivisions-of-Polish-people&p=4683313&viewfull=1#post4683313

https://i.imgur.com/wY6gSe5.png

http://i.imgur.com/ToizhzM.png

He is number "16" below (for comparison I am number "3"):

https://i.imgur.com/tDt6At6.png

But he is still different from a Belarusian guy, Rugevit:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?187622-Post-your-DNA-Land-ancestry-composion-results&p=3889950&viewfull=1#post3889950

https://s10.postimg.org/6tc5fk08p/image.png

Okay you're probably right. But I still don't think that Lithuanians are different from Poles, all factors considered


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[Peterski]

And this guy has some obvious exotic admixtures as well, although is still similar to Southern Poles:

https://i.imgur.com/BbHKLz3.png

[Peterski]

But I still don't think that Lithuanians are different from Poles, all factors considered

Six Lithuanians and Latvians (genetically Latvians are the same as Lithuanians):

http://i.imgur.com/JQZ0CIo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jEe8sVa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XcUIweU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nJD9gQZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ds2zLAR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FuY5qRr.jpg

[Ülev]

And this guy has some obvious exotic admixtures as well, although is still similar to Southern Poles:

https://i.imgur.com/BbHKLz3.png

basically the Czech man?

[Magnolia]

Litvin and his pseudo-genetic "maps" full of frustration of being exactly what he/his nation are - Polaks.

[Peterski]

Fallen warriors from Bronze Age battlefield at the Tollense in East Germany, were genetically most similar to modern Poles:

2nd place - Austrian
3rd place - Scottish

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?225079-Tollense-Valley-Bronze-Age-battle-ancient-DNA&p=4726303#post4726303

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tGCJMNhmH70/We1zazE_A_I/AAAAAAAAGJ4/YbohFTJqjZMVWE6bhSUKnjF_B8vxRZFlACLcBGAs/s1600/Tollense_fallen_F3.png


The 21 samples available to this study stem from skeletal remains found in the Tollense valley in north eastern Germany and date to the bronze age (ca. 3200 BP), except for sample WEZ16, which dates to the neolithic (ca. 5000 BP) and was found in a burial context. Although several samples from the Welzin site have been dated using the C 14 method, from the samples used for this study only the neolithic WEZ16 (2960BC ±66) and the Bronze Age sample WEZ15 (1007BC ±102) were radiocarbon dated. All individuals except WEZ16 were found in a non burial context, widely dispersed and dis-articulated [48] along the river bank of the Tollense river.

...

The PCA in Figure 4.24 shows modern Eurasian individuals in grey and ancient individuals in colour according to their assigned population (for details on the modern populations see Figure A.48). The majority of Welzin individuals fall within the variation of modern populations from the northern central part of Europe (compare Figure A.48), with hunter gatherers, the Yamnaya and the LBK populations appearing on the outer range of PC1 and PC2.

...

Outliers from the Welzin cluster are: WEZ16, which falls closer to the Sardinians and neolithic LBK along PC2, WEZ54, which clusters with the Basques and also fall closer to LBK individuals along PC2, WEZ57, which falls in between the former individual and the Welzin cluster, and WEZ56, which separates from the main cluster of Welzin individuals along PC2 in the opposite direction as the former three, towards the Corded Ware or Yamnaya.

...

The ancient population that share the most drift with the Welzin group are WHG and the SHG population followed by the Unetice, the Bell Beaker and the Corded Ware. Starting with the Unetice the following f3 values fall in the range of the standard error of each other. The average difference between two consecutive f3 values is 0.0021 ± 0.0024 and the average standard error in each f3 value is 0.0037 ± 0.0007. The most similar modern populations are the Polish, Austrians and the Scottish.

...

Any interpretation regarding possible parties that might have been involved in the conflict in the Tollense valley ∼ 3200 ago can only be speculative with regards to the here shown data. With the resolution given here, an educated guess for different involved parties could be, that both parties were relatively local and more closely related than any ancient DNA study was able to separate so far. Maybe similar to people from Hessen versus people from Rhineland-Palatinate in modern Germany.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pSFcxgwJXso/We1zQSb6PfI/AAAAAAAAGJ0/2gF9-1RbbwUjfUVKsDsU1aovc0aAhKF8wCLcBGAs/s1600/Tollense_fallen_PCA.png

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pSFcxgwJXso/We1zQSb6PfI/AAAAAAAAGJ0/2gF9-1RbbwUjfUVKsDsU1aovc0aAhKF8wCLcBGAs/s1600/Tollense_fallen_PCA.png

[Peterski]

This study proves that Poles are indigenous to the Elbe-Vistula region since the Bronze Age:

https://publications.ub.uni-mainz.de/theses/frontdoor.php?source_opus=100001279&la=en

https://publications.ub.uni-mainz.de/theses/volltexte/2017/100001279/pdf/100001279.pdf

[Veslan]

This study proves that Poles are indigenous to the Elbe-Vistula region since the Bronze Age:

https://publications.ub.uni-mainz.de/theses/frontdoor.php?source_opus=100001279&la=en

https://publications.ub.uni-mainz.de/theses/volltexte/2017/100001279/pdf/100001279.pdf

To be honest it doesn't matter if the Slavs came from Ukraine or Poland. Everything North of Carpathian mountains, west to Rhine, East to Urals, and South to Lappland is R1a Proto-Balto-Slavic land.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Map_Corded_Ware_culture-en.svg/1200px-Map_Corded_Ware_culture-en.svg.png

[Mingle]

Not since September 2018? :p

Just saw the news and remembered this thread. I'm confused because we got the same news a year later.

Poland becomes first country from former Soviet bloc to be ranked a 'developed market' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/24/poland-becomes-first-country-former-soviet-bloc-ranked-developed/)

Poland wins upgrade from EM status by FTSE Russell (https://www.ft.com/content/b581df88-bfde-11e8-8d55-54197280d3f7)