Western Turks GEDmatch results

[Hudayar]

They're all from Aydın. One is from Afyonkarahisar
First Aydın Turk
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.81
2 West_Asian 26.69
3 North_Atlantic 11.78
4 West_Med 9.92
5 Siberian 8.04
6 East_Asian 5.21
7 Red_Sea 4.53
8 Baltic 3.52
9 South_Asian 2.41
10 Oceanian 1.07
11 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 8.28
2 Azeri 12.02
3 Turkmen 14.53
4 Kurdish 17.59
5 Lebanese_Muslim 17.93
6 Armenian 17.99
7 Assyrian 18.14
8 Georgian_Jewish 18.27
9 Iranian 18.46
10 Kumyk 18.66
11 Syrian 18.88
12 Central_Greek 18.95
13 South_Italian 19.34
14 East_Sicilian 19.43
15 Italian_Abruzzo 19.65
16 Iranian_Jewish 19.78
17 Nogay 19.85
18 Cyprian 19.86
19 Kurdish_Jewish 20.03
20 Sephardic_Jewish 20.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.9% Turkish + 13.1% Kazakh @ 5.06
2 89.7% Turkish + 10.3% Mongolian @ 5.06
3 87.3% Turkish + 12.7% Kirgiz @ 5.09
4 89.4% Turkish + 10.6% Altaian @ 5.21
5 90.6% Turkish + 9.4% Tuvinian @ 5.21
6 59% Turkmen + 41% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.23
7 92.3% Turkish + 7.7% Oroqen @ 5.27
8 91% Turkish + 9% Buryat @ 5.27
9 91.9% Turkish + 8.1% Hezhen @ 5.52
10 61.7% Turkmen + 38.3% Italian_Jewish @ 5.55
11 89.2% Turkish + 10.8% Hakas @ 5.55
12 91.9% Turkish + 8.1% Xibo @ 5.55
13 88.7% Turkish + 11.3% Shors @ 5.56
14 92.6% Turkish + 7.4% Yakut @ 5.6
15 93.1% Turkish + 6.9% Evenki @ 5.72
16 53.6% Nogay + 46.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.74
17 92.8% Turkish + 7.2% Dolgan @ 5.76
18 93.3% Turkish + 6.7% Evens @ 5.79
19 85% Turkish + 15% Uygur @ 5.87
20 92.6% Turkish + 7.4% Koryak @ 5.9
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Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sephardic_Jewish +50% Turkmen @ 6.514019


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Kazakh @ 5.009918


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Aghan_Hazara + Lebanese_Druze + Ossetian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.215639
2 Aghan_Hazara + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Ossetian @ 4.238259
3 Afghan_Turkmen + Lebanese_Druze + Ossetian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.346993
4 Aghan_Hazara + Balkar + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.535169
5 Afghan_Turkmen + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Ossetian @ 4.578338
6 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan @ 4.588810
7 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Sephardic_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.631837
8 Aghan_Hazara + Lebanese_Druze + North_Ossetian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.651677
9 Lebanese_Druze + Ossetian + Sephardic_Jewish + Uygur @ 4.653556
10 Aghan_Hazara + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + North_Ossetian @ 4.736750
11 Aghan_Hazara + Georgian + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan @ 4.757314
12 Lebanese_Druze + Ossetian + Sephardic_Jewish + Uzbeki @ 4.761493
13 Aghan_Hazara + Balkar + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.766821
14 Aghan_Hazara + Georgian + Lebanese_Druze + West_Sicilian @ 4.786620
15 Aghan_Hazara + Lebanese_Druze + Ossetian + South_Italian @ 4.808764
16 Georgian + Italian_Abruzzo + Kirgiz + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.817347
17 Aghan_Hazara + Georgian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.819509
18 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Italian_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.862714
19 Aghan_Hazara + Lebanese_Druze + Ossetian + West_Sicilian @ 4.881641
20 Aghan_Hazara + Georgian + Sephardic_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.883157
Second Aydın Turk

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 27.76
2 East_Med 25.93
3 Siberian 11.61
4 West_Med 10.53
5 North_Atlantic 7.55
6 East_Asian 6.13
7 Baltic 5.09
8 Red_Sea 2.25
9 South_Asian 2.19
10 Amerindian 0.84
11 Northeast_African 0.08
12 Oceanian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 10.51
2 Turkmen 12.99
3 Azeri 13.41
4 Nogay 16.93
5 Kumyk 18.3
6 Kurdish 18.64
7 Armenian 19.24
8 Iranian 19.47
9 Georgian_Jewish 19.5
10 Assyrian 19.73
11 Balkar 19.99
12 Lebanese_Muslim 20.77
13 Kabardin 21.39
14 Syrian 21.69
15 Iranian_Jewish 21.76
16 Kurdish_Jewish 21.95
17 Central_Greek 22.15
18 Cyprian 22.25
19 Adygei 22.3
20 Ossetian 22.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86% Turkish + 14% Buryat @ 3.3
2 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% Tuvinian @ 3.31
3 87.9% Turkish + 12.1% Oroqen @ 3.36
4 83.6% Turkish + 16.4% Altaian @ 3.38
5 84.4% Turkish + 15.6% Mongolian @ 3.46
6 80.9% Turkish + 19.1% Kirgiz @ 3.78
7 82.8% Turkish + 17.2% Hakas @ 3.86
8 80.6% Turkish + 19.4% Kazakh @ 3.98
9 88.2% Turkish + 11.8% Yakut @ 3.99
10 88.9% Turkish + 11.1% Evenki @ 4.22
11 82.4% Turkish + 17.6% Shors @ 4.27
12 88.5% Turkish + 11.5% Dolgan @ 4.34
13 89.2% Turkish + 10.8% Evens @ 4.37
14 87.9% Turkish + 12.1% Koryak @ 4.56
15 68.4% Armenian + 31.6% Kazakh @ 4.81
16 60.4% Nogay + 39.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.82
17 61.6% Nogay + 38.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.92
18 86.7% Turkish + 13.3% Ket @ 5.15
19 72.1% Turkish + 27.9% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.16
20 70.7% Armenian + 29.3% Shors @ 5.27

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Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Muslim +50% Nogay @ 6.231666


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Central_Greek +25% Kirgiz @ 3.642564


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Altaian + Armenian + Italian_Jewish @ 3.098995
2 Altaian + Armenian + Georgian + Italian_Jewish @ 3.135393
3 Abhkasian + Altaian + Assyrian + Italian_Jewish @ 3.247095
4 Abhkasian + Assyrian + Italian_Jewish + Kirgiz @ 3.333375
5 Abhkasian + Kirgiz + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 3.364429
6 Abhkasian + Assyrian + Italian_Jewish + Kazakh @ 3.371411
7 Abhkasian + Central_Greek + Kirgiz + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.375862
8 Abhkasian + Altaian + Assyrian + South_Italian @ 3.379042
9 Abhkasian + Ashkenazi + Assyrian + Kirgiz @ 3.386162
10 Abhkasian + Iranian_Jewish + Kirgiz + South_Italian @ 3.403518
11 Abhkasian + Armenian + Hakas + Italian_Jewish @ 3.410981
12 Abhkasian + Altaian + Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish @ 3.413828
13 Abhkasian + Altaian + Iranian_Jewish + South_Italian @ 3.436638
14 Altaian + Assyrian + Georgian + Italian_Jewish @ 3.471779
15 Abhkasian + Assyrian + Hakas + Italian_Jewish @ 3.473202
16 Assyrian + Georgian + Italian_Jewish + Kirgiz @ 3.486057
17 Abhkasian + Altaian + Kurdish_Jewish + South_Italian @ 3.513208
18 Abhkasian + Assyrian + Kirgiz + South_Italian @ 3.515057
19 Abhkasian + Altaian + Assyrian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.520261
20 Altaian + Georgian + Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish @ 3.544715
Third Aydın Turk

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 31.57
2 East_Med 23.66
3 West_Med 11.87
4 Siberian 9.91
5 North_Atlantic 7.62
6 Baltic 6.24
7 East_Asian 3.55
8 South_Asian 2.59
9 Red_Sea 1.93
10 Amerindian 0.53
11 Northeast_African 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 8.96
2 Azeri 11.45
3 Turkmen 12.53
4 Kumyk 14.19
5 Balkar 15.67
6 Kurdish 16.06
7 Nogay 16.21
8 Kabardin 17.07
9 Armenian 17.19
10 Iranian 17.42
11 Adygei 17.85
12 Georgian_Jewish 18.13
13 Ossetian 18.28
14 North_Ossetian 18.85
15 Assyrian 19.25
16 Georgian 20.9
17 Chechen 20.91
18 Lebanese_Muslim 21.43
19 Afghan_Tadjik 21.5
20 Lezgin 21.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.3% Turkish + 33.7% Nogay @ 4.06
2 76.7% Turkish + 23.3% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.66
3 54.6% Nogay + 45.4% Assyrian @ 4.82
4 86.2% Turkish + 13.8% Shors @ 4.85
5 86.8% Turkish + 13.2% Hakas @ 4.86
6 60.4% Armenian + 39.6% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.88
7 51.6% Nogay + 48.4% Armenian @ 5.03
8 87.8% Turkish + 12.2% Altaian @ 5.09
9 89.6% Turkish + 10.4% Selkup @ 5.19
10 74.1% Armenian + 25.9% Shors @ 5.22
11 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% Kazakh @ 5.23
12 89.4% Turkish + 10.6% Ket @ 5.23
13 91.3% Turkish + 8.7% Dolgan @ 5.28
14 89.5% Turkish + 10.5% Tuvinian @ 5.33
15 91.3% Turkish + 8.7% Yakut @ 5.34
16 91.7% Turkish + 8.3% Evenki @ 5.36
17 86.1% Turkish + 13.9% Kirgiz @ 5.38
18 91.9% Turkish + 8.1% Evens @ 5.4
19 58.4% Nogay + 41.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.46
20 90% Turkish + 10% Buryat @ 5.48

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Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +50% Nogay @ 5.435210


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Abhkasian +25% Italian_Jewish +25% Shors @ 4.195068


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Armenian + Shors + South_Italian @ 3.333432
2 Abhkasian + Afghan_Turkmen + South_Italian + Turkish @ 3.426185
3 Afghan_Turkmen + Cyprian + Ossetian + Turkish @ 3.506447
4 Abhkasian + Armenian + Kazakh + South_Italian @ 3.574783
5 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + Balkar + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.596188
6 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + Italian_Jewish + North_Ossetian @ 3.615444
7 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + Balkar + South_Italian @ 3.622536
8 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + North_Ossetian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.641810
9 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + Italian_Jewish + Ossetian @ 3.700847
10 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + Ossetian + South_Italian @ 3.714587
11 Armenian + Cyprian + Nogay + Nogay @ 3.716832
12 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + Balkar + Italian_Jewish @ 3.726749
13 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + North_Ossetian + South_Italian @ 3.728523
14 Afghan_Turkmen + Algerian_Jewish + Armenian + North_Ossetian @ 3.778129
15 Afghan_Turkmen + Balkar + Cyprian + Turkish @ 3.800174
16 Afghan_Turkmen + Armenian + Ossetian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.804629
17 Afghan_Turkmen + Algerian_Jewish + Armenian + Ossetian @ 3.805524
18 Armenian + Georgian + Shors + South_Italian @ 3.819471
19 Abhkasian + Armenian + Hakas + South_Italian @ 3.825512
20 Afghan_Turkmen + Cyprian + North_Ossetian + Turkish @ 3.844700
Turk from Afyonkarahisar


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 25.86
2 East_Med 22.62
3 West_Med 14.34
4 Siberian 9.99
5 Baltic 9.31
6 North_Atlantic 7.14
7 Red_Sea 4.84
8 South_Asian 3.31
9 East_Asian 1.48
10 Amerindian 0.86
11 Oceanian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 10.8
2 Azeri 14.62
3 Turkmen 16
4 Nogay 17.59
5 Kumyk 17.61
6 Central_Greek 18.37
7 East_Sicilian 19.17
8 Kurdish 19.67
9 Balkar 19.78
10 South_Italian 19.87
11 Iranian 20.1
12 Georgian_Jewish 20.14
13 Armenian 20.3
14 Italian_Abruzzo 20.35
15 Kabardin 20.35
16 Lebanese_Muslim 20.48
17 Assyrian 20.74
18 Greek_Thessaly 20.89
19 Syrian 20.9
20 Ashkenazi 21.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55% Nogay + 45% Cyprian @ 4.94
2 86.4% Turkish + 13.6% Selkup @ 5.01
3 82.2% Turkish + 17.8% Mari @ 5.15
4 86.2% Turkish + 13.8% Ket @ 5.17
5 83.3% Turkish + 16.7% Shors @ 5.83
6 82% Turkish + 18% Chuvash @ 5.84
7 78.5% Turkish + 21.5% Tatar @ 5.96
8 61% Nogay + 39% Samaritan @ 6.13
9 84.4% Turkish + 15.6% Hakas @ 6.16
10 54.3% Nogay + 45.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.36
11 89.7% Turkish + 10.3% Dolgan @ 6.53
12 61.3% Nogay + 38.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 6.61
13 58.3% Nogay + 41.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.62
14 74% Turkish + 26% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.64
15 59% Nogay + 41% Tunisian_Jewish @ 6.67
16 54.9% Nogay + 45.1% Syrian @ 6.71
17 59.6% Nogay + 40.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 6.77
18 54.7% Cyprian + 45.3% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.83
19 89.3% Turkish + 10.7% Koryak @ 6.85
20 90.4% Turkish + 9.6% Evenki @ 6.87

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Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Nogay @ 5.537552


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Shors @ 4.134126


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Georgian + Shors @ 3.754684
2 Abhkasian + Central_Greek + Cyprian + Shors @ 3.813550
3 Cyprian + East_Sicilian + Georgian + Shors @ 3.906875
4 Abhkasian + Cyprian + East_Sicilian + Shors @ 3.922030
5 Afghan_Turkmen + Cyprian + East_Sicilian + Kabardin @ 4.008023
6 Afghan_Turkmen + Cyprian + Kabardin + South_Italian @ 4.029269
7 Cyprian + Georgian + Shors + South_Italian @ 4.031991
8 Afghan_Turkmen + Central_Greek + Cyprian + Kabardin @ 4.041289
9 Afghan_Turkmen + Balkar + Cyprian + East_Sicilian @ 4.083860
10 Afghan_Turkmen + Balkar + Central_Greek + Cyprian @ 4.088971
11 Armenian + Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Shors @ 4.134126
12 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Shors + South_Italian @ 4.163859
13 Afghan_Turkmen + Cyprian + East_Sicilian + North_Ossetian @ 4.169466
14 Afghan_Turkmen + Central_Greek + Kabardin + Samaritan @ 4.191410
15 Central_Greek + Georgian + Lebanese_Muslim + Shors @ 4.198129
16 Afghan_Turkmen + Balkar + Central_Greek + Samaritan @ 4.268418
17 Afghan_Turkmen + Central_Greek + Cyprian + North_Ossetian @ 4.273529
18 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Shors @ 4.299222
19 Afghan_Turkmen + Balkar + Cyprian + South_Italian @ 4.310111
20 Abhkasian + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Muslim + Shors @ 4.339215


stolen from an another thread, Turk from Çanakkale

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.12
2 West_Asian 20.92
3 West_Med 12.85
4 Baltic 12.09
5 Siberian 10.19
6 North_Atlantic 7.31
7 East_Asian 6.37
8 Red_Sea 4.52
9 South_Asian 1.52
10 Oceanian 1.08
11 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 14.61
2 Nogay 17.12
3 Turkmen 17.82
4 Central_Greek 18.13
5 Azeri 18.37
6 East_Sicilian 18.83
7 Greek_Thessaly 19.51
8 Ashkenazi 19.59
9 Italian_Abruzzo 20.16
10 South_Italian 20.19
11 Kumyk 21.17
12 West_Sicilian 21.92
13 Lebanese_Muslim 22.19
14 Bulgarian 22.39
15 Cyprian 22.46
16 Syrian 22.5
17 Sephardic_Jewish 22.59
18 Algerian_Jewish 23.33
19 Afghan_Turkmen 23.34
20 Balkar 23.5



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.2% Nogay + 41.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.19
2 53.7% Nogay + 46.3% Ashkenazi @ 5.36
3 51% Cyprian + 49% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.76
4 59% Nogay + 41% Italian_Jewish @ 5.79
5 59.5% Nogay + 40.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.8
6 60% Nogay + 40% Libyan_Jewish @ 6
7 57.5% Nogay + 42.5% Cyprian @ 6.23
8 57.7% Nogay + 42.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.27
9 57% Central_Greek + 43% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.65
10 62.7% Nogay + 37.3% Samaritan @ 6.69
11 59.8% Central_Greek + 40.2% Uzbeki @ 6.73
12 53.8% Cyprian + 46.2% Uzbeki @ 6.76
13 56% East_Sicilian + 44% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.84
14 52.8% Nogay + 47.2% East_Sicilian @ 6.85
15 54% South_Italian + 46% Afghan_Turkmen @ 7.04
16 54.9% Ashkenazi + 45.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 7.07
17 64.3% Central_Greek + 35.7% Hazara @ 7.1
18 54.8% Nogay + 45.2% South_Italian @ 7.14
19 58.8% East_Sicilian + 41.2% Uzbeki @ 7.15

[Hudayar]

Stolen from this thread (Thank you All-In)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-200332.html

[Hudayar]

They appear as 50% Caucasian (Armenian/Abhkazian/Georgian etc) 25% Mediterranean (Italian and Greek) and 25% Central Asian (Kyrgyz/Kazakh/Shor/Altaian)

[Sikeliot]

They have higher 'Baltic' type DNA than Sicilians. Interesting.

[Böri]

Aydın Turks arent 50% Armenian or Abkhasians what the f*ck?
It seems you are sort of easterner yourself and wanna paint everybody that way.
Aydın Turks come out as 50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan and 50% Aegean islander.

Mixed population sharing is based on components and living ethnicities are used to model individuals in a genetic way.

Turks all have Caucasian Hunter Gatherer (some calculators call it West Asian) component as first and most dominant component. Iranian plateau component is also present.
Even in Central Asia or lost parts of Europe you see those components.

That doesn't belong to Armenians.
Armenians speak IE language, their ancestors came from Kurgan steppe and assimilated natives.

Their story isn't so much different than Turks in this regard.

[Hudayar]

Aydın Turks arent 50% Armenian or Abkhasians what the f*ck?
It seems you are sort of easterner yourself and wanna paint everybody that way.
Aydın Turks come out as 50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan and 50% Aegean islander.

Mixed population sharing is based on components and living ethnicities are used to model individuals in a genetic way.

Turks all have Caucasian Hunter Gatherer (some calculators call it West Asian) component as first and most dominant component. Iranian plateau component is also present.
Even in Central Asia or lost parts of Europe you see those components.

That doesn't belong to Armenians.
Armenians speak IE language, their ancestors came from Kurgan steppe and assimilated natives.

Their story isn't so much different than Turks in this regard.

I was talking about 4 pop-mix. I'm aware of the fact that it's bullshit because the Turks who migrated to Anatolia were not similar to extra-mongolized Kazakhs or recent Yenisei Kyrgyz migrants, Kazakhs and Kyrgyzes are over 50% mongoloid and on average they're 60% or 80% mongoloid. Half Turkmen/Nogay half East Med (Lebanese, Sephardim, Cyprian etc) fits them better imo. But in 4 pop-mix they appear as 50% caucasian 25% med and 25% central asian.

[Hudayar]

They have higher 'Baltic' type DNA than Sicilians. Interesting.

Scythian influence or the Anatolians had European input in them. Could be either. But the most mongoloid samples don't have that much Baltic compared to Afyon sample.

[Leto]

Half Turkmen/Nogay half East Med (Lebanese, Sephardim, Cyprian etc) fits them better imo. But in 4 pop-mix they appear as 50% caucasian 25% med and 25% central asian.
This sounds plausible to me. Before entering the territory of modern Turkey they conquered Iran and Azerbaijan, so I guess they weren't like Kazakhs in the late 11th century. And the Anatolians were most likely similar to Assyrians, Armenians, Pontic Greeks and maybe even Kurds.

[Leto]

Would like to see their Dodecad K7b results. It has a more basic division (NE Euro, Mediterranean, Caucasian, Siberian, East Asian, African, South Asian) which is good in some cases.

[Hudayar]

This sounds plausible to me. Before entering the territory of modern Turkey they conquered Iran and Azerbaijan, so I guess they weren't like Kazakhs in the late 11th century. And the Anatolians were most likely similar to Assyrians, Armenians, Pontic Greeks and maybe even Kurds.
They were probably not similar to Kurds. I think the Anatolians were most similar to Cypriots or Sephardic Jews (half med half levantine people). Also Turkish migration didn't only happen in the 11th century, migration began in mid 1000s and lasted till 1300s. There were 2 major events that triggered large scale migrations, Battle of Manzikert and Mongol Invasion. Battle of Manzikert allowed some Turkish tribes to seek new lives in a different land. Mongol Invasion forced Turkish tribes to escape from Central Asia to Anatolia because Mongolians were slaughtering everyone there. Ottoman family also escaped from Khorasan to Anatolia during the Mongol invasion. There were still migrations from Central Asia to Anatolia after 1300s though, but not very relevant because they were few in number.

Would like to see their Dodecad K7b results. It has a more basic division (NE Euro, Mediterranean, Caucasian, Siberian, East Asian, African, South Asian) which is good in some cases.

I got the results from All-In, maybe he knows their Kitnumbers and can post K7b results?

[Leto]

They were probably not similar to Kurds. I think the Anatolians were most similar to Cypriots or Sephardic Jews (half med half levantine people). Also Turkish migration didn't only happen in the 11th century, migration began in mid 1000s and lasted till 1300s. There were 2 major events that triggered large scale migrations, Battle of Manzikert and Mongol Invasion. Battle of Manzikert allowed some Turkish tribes to seek new lives in a different land. Mongol Invasion forced Turkish tribes to escape from Central Asia to Anatolia because Mongolians were slaughtering everyone there. Ottoman family also escaped from Khorasan to Anatolia during the Mongol invasion. There were still migrations from Central Asia to Anatolia after 1300s though, but not very relevant because they were few in number.

And the absorption of Balkan and Caucasian muhajirs took place only in the 18-19th centuries.

[Hadouken]

Dodecad K7b results as requested

btw. I have to say that I am not sure if these people are really from aydin and afyonkarahisar . I just took them from a person who claimed that they are . I think they are from those places however I dont know them so no guarantee

and I think nr. 2 and 3 of the aydin turks is the same person xD probably tested with different companies . and one of her kit nr. has a foreign name onto it which I think is probably due to marriage or just for fun though. I will post both of her results nonetheless

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Turk Afyon



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 35.59
2 Southern 26.71
3 Atlantic_Baltic 23.36
4 Siberian 9.5
5 East_Asian 2.84
6 South_Asian 1.71
7 African 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 10.22
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.84
3 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 15.89
4 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.52
5 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 17.32
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.38
7 Adygei (HGDP) 18.5
8 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 18.83
9 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 19.72
10 Cypriots (Behar) 19.84
11 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.23
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.72
13 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.89
14 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.25
15 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 21.42
16 Iranian (Dodecad) 21.61
17 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 21.94
18 Kurd (Dodecad) 22.35
19 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 22.38
20 Lebanese (Behar) 22.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.9% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 38.1% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 2.92
2 61.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 38.3% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 3.02
3 55.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 44.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.15
4 82.9% Turks (Behar) + 17.1% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 3.76
5 82.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 17.9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 4.08
6 65% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 35% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 4.21
7 65.6% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 34.4% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 4.31
8 87.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 12.9% Selkup (Rasmussen) @ 4.47
9 57.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 42.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 4.55
10 65.6% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 34.4% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 4.83
11 87.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 12.1% Ket (Rasmussen) @ 4.9
12 68.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 31.7% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 4.93
13 59.3% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 40.7% Lebanese (Behar) @ 5.05
14 88.3% Turks (Behar) + 11.7% Selkup (Rasmussen) @ 5.17
15 60.6% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 39.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.25
16 61.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 38.1% Druze (HGDP) @ 5.46
17 89.1% Turks (Behar) + 10.9% Ket (Rasmussen) @ 5.54
18 60.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 39.6% Syrians (Behar) @ 5.69
19 65.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 34.8% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 5.76
20 66.8% Armenian (Dodecad) + 33.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.77

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Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriots_Behar +50% Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 3.799735


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Balkars_Yunusbayev +25% Chuvashs_Behar +25% Saudis_Behar @ 3.171557


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
1 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 0.958453
2 Chuvashs_Behar + Georgians_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Saudis_Behar @ 1.194604
3 Assyrian_Dodecad + Chuvashs_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.198173
4 Chuvashs_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.236460
5 Chuvashs_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 1.362815
6 Chuvashs_Behar + Georgians_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Yemen_Jews_Behar @ 1.431753
7 Chuvashs_Behar + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.461125
8 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + Chuvashs_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.532880
9 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Chuvashs_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Saudis_Behar @ 1.606813
10 Armenian_Dodecad + Chuvashs_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.652256
11 Chuvashs_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 1.652276
12 Chuvashs_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 1.672629
13 Chuvashs_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Turkmens_Yunusbayev + Turks_Behar @ 1.703650
14 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Chuvashs_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Yemen_Jews_Behar @ 1.814158
15 Chuvashs_Behar + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.889826
16 Chuvashs_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 1.891431
17 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Yemen_Jews_Behar @ 1.893592
18 Armenians_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.923836
19 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Yemen_Jews_Behar @ 2.031460
20 Chuvashs_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Jordanians_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 2.116382



Turks from Aydin


1.



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 35.8
2 Southern 27.97
3 Atlantic_Baltic 20.69
4 Siberian 7.54
5 East_Asian 5.91
6 South_Asian 1.95
7 African 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 8.63
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 9.08
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.3
4 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.98
5 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 17.22
6 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 17.58
7 Cypriots (Behar) 18.31
8 Adygei (HGDP) 18.92
9 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 19.04
10 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 19.85
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.11
12 Iranian (Dodecad) 20.2
13 Lebanese (Behar) 20.28
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.54
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 20.65
16 Kurd (Dodecad) 20.73
17 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 20.83
18 Syrians (Behar) 21.13
19 Iranians (Behar) 21.21
20 Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.6% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 48.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.54
2 54.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 45.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.05
3 57% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 43% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.61
4 65.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 34.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 3.81
5 63.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 36.7% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 4.12
6 55.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 44.6% Syrians (Behar) @ 4.16
7 88.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 11.3% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 4.17
8 79.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 20.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 4.18
9 59.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 40.5% Jordanians (Behar) @ 4.26
10 82.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 17.7% Uygur (HGDP) @ 4.27
11 60.8% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 39.2% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 4.28
12 88.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 11.8% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 4.28
13 71% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 29% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 4.54
14 90.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 9.1% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 4.55
15 90.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 9.4% Daur (HGDP) @ 4.57
16 90% Turkish (Dodecad) + 10% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 4.62
17 90.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 9.1% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 4.66
18 90.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 9.7% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 4.74
19 56.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 4.77
20 71.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 28.1% Saudis (Behar) @ 4.78

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Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriots_Behar +50% Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 2.789845


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Georgia_Jews_Behar +25% Hazara_HGDP +25% North_Italian_HGDP @ 1.335127


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Adygei_HGDP + Cypriots_Behar + Hazara_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 0.926958
2 Adygei_HGDP + Greek_Dodecad + Hazara_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 0.955624
3 C_Italian_Dodecad + Chechens_Yunusbayev + Hazara_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 0.970566
4 Chechens_Yunusbayev + Greek_Dodecad + Hazara_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.005478
5 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Balkars_Yunusbayev + Druze_HGDP + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.046991
6 C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Hazara_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 1.140805
7 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Balkars_Yunusbayev + Druze_HGDP + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.158498
8 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Hazara_HGDP + N_Italian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.183290
9 Adygei_HGDP + C_Italian_Dodecad + Hazara_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.245293
10 C_Italian_Dodecad + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Turks_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.245863
11 Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.248710
12 Cypriots_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.248955
13 Greek_Dodecad + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.253206
14 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.255777
15 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Hazara_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 1.288232
16 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Hazara_HGDP @ 1.298126
17 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.301947
18 Balkars_Yunusbayev + Cypriots_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.310683
19 C_Italian_Dodecad + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.313043
20 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.322136



2.



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.48
2 Southern 26.06
3 Atlantic_Baltic 17.78
4 Siberian 11.27
5 East_Asian 7.23
6 South_Asian 0.95
7 African 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 11.13
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 12.06
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 14.67
4 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 14.93
5 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 17.4
6 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 17.76
7 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 19.04
8 Adygei (HGDP) 19.73
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 20.71
10 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 21.36
11 Kurd (Dodecad) 21.39
12 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 21.78
13 Iranians (Behar) 21.85
14 Cypriots (Behar) 22.05
15 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 22.57
16 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 22.69
17 Lebanese (Behar) 22.92
18 Armenian (Dodecad) 23.14
19 Armenians (Behar) 23.26
20 Syrians (Behar) 23.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 16.9% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 0.85
2 84.3% Turks (Behar) + 15.7% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 1.47
3 82.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 17.6% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 1.67
4 69.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 30.5% Samaritians (Behar) @ 1.8
5 86.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.7% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 1.85
6 87.2% Turks (Behar) + 12.8% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 1.98
7 84.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 15.2% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 2.02
8 85.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14.9% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 2.03
9 74.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 25.8% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 2.06
10 83.8% Turks (Behar) + 16.2% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 2.44
11 75% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 25% Saudis (Behar) @ 2.46
12 86.2% Turks (Behar) + 13.8% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 2.59
13 86% Turks (Behar) + 14% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 2.62
14 87% Turks (Behar) + 13% Daur (HGDP) @ 2.72
15 86.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.9% Daur (HGDP) @ 3.12
16 70.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 29.9% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 3.33
17 87.6% Turks (Behar) + 12.4% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 3.4
18 63% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 37% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.58
19 70.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 29.8% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 3.6
20 64.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 35.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 3.69

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Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Behar +50% Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 5.512956


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Nogais_Yunusbayev +25% Nogais_Yunusbayev +25% Yemen_Jews_Behar @ 2.121900


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Assyrian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.726251
2 Assyrian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.736601
3 Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.807827
4 Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar + Turks_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.829031
5 C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.882470
6 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.884573
7 Armenian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.932616
8 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Georgians_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.938724
9 Armenian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.964347
10 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Georgians_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.970584
11 Georgians_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.066669
12 Armenian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.072637
13 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 2.078272
14 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Greek_Dodecad + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 2.091752
15 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Assyrian_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 2.113670
16 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Armenian_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.119356
17 Nogais_Yunusbayev + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Yemen_Jews_Behar @ 2.121900
18 C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 2.143602
19 Adygei_HGDP + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Uzbeks_Behar + Yemen_Jews_Behar @ 2.158497
20 Georgians_Behar + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.176387


3.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.42
2 Southern 26.05
3 Atlantic_Baltic 17.8
4 Siberian 11.28
5 East_Asian 7.26
6 South_Asian 0.97
7 African 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 11.18
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 12.11
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 14.69
4 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 14.9
5 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 17.44
6 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 17.81
7 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 19.08
8 Adygei (HGDP) 19.78
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 20.76
10 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 21.42
11 Kurd (Dodecad) 21.45
12 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 21.84
13 Iranians (Behar) 21.9
14 Cypriots (Behar) 22.07
15 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 22.57
16 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 22.73
17 Lebanese (Behar) 22.95
18 Armenian (Dodecad) 23.2
19 Armenians (Behar) 23.32
20 Syrians (Behar) 23.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 16.9% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 0.88
2 84.2% Turks (Behar) + 15.8% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 1.51
3 82.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 17.6% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 1.71
4 69.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 30.5% Samaritians (Behar) @ 1.83
5 86.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.8% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 1.88
6 74.3% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 25.7% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 2.02
7 87.2% Turks (Behar) + 12.8% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 2.03
8 84.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 15.2% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 2.06
9 85% Turkish (Dodecad) + 15% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 2.07
10 75% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 25% Saudis (Behar) @ 2.42
11 83.7% Turks (Behar) + 16.3% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 2.47
12 86.2% Turks (Behar) + 13.8% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 2.64
13 85.9% Turks (Behar) + 14.1% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 2.66
14 86.9% Turks (Behar) + 13.1% Daur (HGDP) @ 2.74
15 86% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14% Daur (HGDP) @ 3.13
16 70% Turkish (Dodecad) + 30% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 3.33
17 87.5% Turks (Behar) + 12.5% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 3.41
18 70.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 29.8% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 3.58
19 63.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 36.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.61
20 64.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 35.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 3.69

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Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Druze_HGDP +50% Uzbeks_Behar @ 5.525134


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Nogais_Yunusbayev +25% Nogais_Yunusbayev +25% Yemen_Jews_Behar @ 2.085259


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Assyrian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.690200
2 Assyrian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.730489
3 Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.800086
4 Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar + Turks_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.828703
5 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.849410
6 C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.854010
7 Armenian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.902223
8 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Georgians_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.931394
9 Armenian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.951937
10 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Georgians_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 1.960698
11 Georgians_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.016037
12 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 2.062570
13 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Greek_Dodecad + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 2.073862
14 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Assyrian_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 2.084913
15 Nogais_Yunusbayev + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Yemen_Jews_Behar @ 2.085259
16 Armenian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.091252
17 Georgians_Behar + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.106991
18 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Armenian_Dodecad + Mongol_Rasmussen + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.116072
19 Georgians_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen + TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.122077
20 C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Mongol_Rasmussen @ 2.130567




4.



# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 38.46
2 Southern 26.54
3 Atlantic_Baltic 19.19
4 Siberian 8.95
5 East_Asian 4.79
6 South_Asian 1.87
7 African 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 7.57
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 8.6
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 13.92
4 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 14.73
5 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 15.23
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 16.2
7 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 16.58
8 Adygei (HGDP) 16.8
9 Iranian (Dodecad) 17.94
10 Kurd (Dodecad) 18.63
11 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 18.69
12 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 18.85
13 Iranians (Behar) 19.19
14 Cypriots (Behar) 19.84
15 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 19.89
16 Armenian (Dodecad) 20.45
17 Armenians (Behar) 20.48
18 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 20.68
19 Lebanese (Behar) 21.09
20 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 21.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 21.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 1.51
2 87.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 12.4% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 1.65
3 58.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 41.1% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.65
4 89.1% Turks (Behar) + 10.9% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 1.89
5 80.5% Turks (Behar) + 19.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 1.9
6 89.7% Turks (Behar) + 10.3% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 2.23
7 56.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 43.3% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.29
8 89.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 10.6% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 2.33
9 90.7% Turks (Behar) + 9.3% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 2.39
10 88.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 11.6% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 2.41
11 89.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 10.3% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 2.6
12 91% Turks (Behar) + 9% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 2.61
13 67.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 32.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.62
14 57.3% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 42.7% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.7
15 81.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 18.4% Hazara (HGDP) @ 2.77
16 91.8% Turks (Behar) + 8.2% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 2.82
17 84.1% Turks (Behar) + 15.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 2.86
18 83.8% Turks (Behar) + 16.2% Hazara (HGDP) @ 2.9
19 82.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 17.7% Uygur (HGDP) @ 3.12
20 90.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 9.2% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 3.13

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Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Behar +50% Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 3.243876


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Turkish_Dodecad +25% Turkish_Dodecad +25% Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.994304


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Iraq_Jews_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.334801
2 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Iraq_Jews_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.395981
3 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Balkars_Yunusbayev + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.401930
4 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Balkars_Yunusbayev + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.411260
5 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Balkars_Yunusbayev + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.416032
6 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Balkars_Yunusbayev + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.490242
7 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Iranian_Jews_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.555254
8 Iraq_Jews_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Sicilian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.559905
9 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.562661
10 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.570312
11 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.588429
12 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.606435
13 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.608770
14 Armenian_Dodecad + Balkars_Yunusbayev + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.611900
15 Balkars_Yunusbayev + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.612743
16 Chechens_Yunusbayev + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Saudis_Behar @ 1.636040
17 Balkars_Yunusbayev + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.648525
18 Morocco_Jews_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.654581
19 Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Yemen_Jews_Behar @ 1.659261
20 Balkars_Yunusbayev + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar + Uzbeks_Behar @ 1.661545

[Lavrentis]

They have higher 'Baltic' type DNA than Sicilians. Interesting.

That's because Turks have assimilated a lot of Balkan Slavs, unlike Sicilians.

[Lavrentis]

Scythian influence or the Anatolians had European input in them. Could be either. But the most mongoloid samples don't have that much Baltic compared to Afyon sample.

It's neither Scythian and neither because Anatolians had European input in them. Anatolians never came in contact with an Eastern European people. They score Baltic because Turkey has assimilated a lot of Balkan Slavs.

[Hadouken]

the oghuz turks had decent amount of baltid when they entered turkey . it comes mainly from them I think

[Lavrentis]

the oghuz turks had decent amount of baltid when they entered turkey . it comes mainly from them I think

And where they got their Baltid from?

[Hadouken]

And where they got their Baltid from?

they came from modern day southwest kazakhstan-northwest turkmenistan

[Bobby Martnen]

Would like to see their Dodecad K7b results. It has a more basic division (NE Euro, Mediterranean, Caucasian, Siberian, East Asian, African, South Asian) which is good in some cases.

The problem with that calculator is the lack of a NW Euro component, which limits its usefulness for people of Germanic or Celtic descent.

[Pahli]

And where they got their Baltid from?

Goes way back to Gökturks, they had Baltic admixture from Indo-Europeans that mixed with the native Altaians, on top of that Turkmens are a result of dominantly Mongoloid Steppe people and Eastern Iranian people in Turkmenistan (they had Baltic admixture too)

[Bobby Martnen]

Assuming that Aydin 2 and 3 are the same person, the average Turk in these samples is 14.5% Turkic (Siberian + East Asian). Could this be why Turkish phenotypes differ from that of their neighbors so much?

[brennus dux gallorum]

Siberian is considerable, showing that in fact much of Turkish ancestry is direct altaic

[Hadouken]

Assuming that Aydin 2 and 3 are the same person, the average Turk in these samples is 14.5% Turkic (Siberian + East Asian). Could this be why Turkish phenotypes differ from that of their neighbors so much?

naming the siberian and east asian component as "turkic" would be misleading since no turkic ethnicity/person can score 100% of it . these people are way more than 14.5% turkic because the east asian / siberian is just a part of the turkic peoples genome .

and I dont know in what way you mean that turks differ THAT much from their neighbors anyway . there are many phenotypes among turks that are also existing in neighboring nations ...well except turanid , aralid stuff of course

[Peterski]

They score Baltic because Turkey has assimilated a lot of Balkan Slavs.

Yeah this guy was Slavic and born in Anatolia (there were Slavic settlements in Anatolia):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_the_Slav

Those were Balkan Slavs / South Slavs deported / resettled by the Byzantines to Anatolia.

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Also this woman was Slavic (there is a dispute whether she was Polish or Ruthenian):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrem_Sultan

Lisowski definitely sounds like a Polish surname, but for some Ukrainians claim her.

[Viking]

East med very high.

[Hadouken]

East med very high.

east med is high in all northwest asians

I score 30.76 myself . so even more than these people

[Hudayar]

Assuming that Aydin 2 and 3 are the same person, the average Turk in these samples is 14.5% Turkic (Siberian + East Asian). Could this be why Turkish phenotypes differ from that of their neighbors so much?

2 and 3 are probably related. their results are slightly different.

[Hudayar]

the oghuz turks had decent amount of baltid when they entered turkey . it comes mainly from them I think

the problem is that the higher the mongoloid component is the lower the baltic component. there's no correlation.

[Hadouken]

2 and 3 are probably related. their results are slightly different.

I suspect it is the same person

it is normal that you have slightly different results when you have 2 kit nr.

you even get very slight difference when you delete your own kit nr. and upload it again

[Hudayar]

First Aydın Turk: 3.52% Baltic 13.29% Mongoloid
Second Aydın Turk: 5.16% Baltic 18.56% Mongoloid
Third Aydın Turk: 5.9% Baltic 18.58% Mongoloid
Fourth Aydın Turk: 6.24 Baltic 13.99% Mongoloid (make this 14% Mongoloid)
Afyonkarahisar Turk: 9.31% Baltic 12.33% Mongoloid


There's no direct correlation between Baltic and Mongoloid. We need Greek samples from Aydın to find out actually.

[Leto]

the problem is that the higher the mongoloid component is the lower the baltic component. there's no correlation.
Kazakhs have around 20% NE European.

[Hudayar]

I suspect it is the same person

it is normal that you have slightly different results when you have 2 kit nr.

you even get very slight difference when you delete your own kit nr. and upload it again

I didn't know that. When i calculated their mongoloid dna i found out that 2 and 3 were very similar, but i thought they were siblings.

[Hudayar]

Siberian is considerable, showing that in fact much of Turkish ancestry is direct altaic

Turks when they entered Anatolia didn't only have Siberian/Asian ancestry. The Turks also brought Iranic dna with them, but the Anatolians also had them. The only unique DNA that the Turks brought is Asiatic dna.

[Hadouken]

I didn't know that. When i calculated their mongoloid dna i found out that 2 and 3 were very similar, but i thought they were siblings.

even if they MIGHT not be the same person (or related) which I do think they are ...we should use only 1 kit either way to be safe lol

[Hudayar]

even if they MIGHT not be the same person (or related) which I do think they are ...we should use only 1 kit either way to be safe lol

okay i deleted one.

[Hudayar]

Assuming that Aydin 2 and 3 are the same person, the average Turk in these samples is 14.5% Turkic (Siberian + East Asian). Could this be why Turkish phenotypes differ from that of their neighbors so much?

First of all, Turkic=/=Mongoloid. Because the Turks who migrated to Anatolia were not 100% Mongoloid people. they were between 20-50% mongoloid.
Second, phenotype is not directly related to genotype. Many Turks can pass as local in many places in Eurasia. But Turks indeed have unique phenotypes (mostly Turanid and Iranid influenced phenotypes)

[Leto]

Many Turks can pass as local in many places in Eurasia. But Turks indeed have unique phenotypes (mostly Turanid and Iranid influenced phenotypes)
I think 15% mong and more is likely to be noticeable in some way.

[Hudayar]

I think 15% mong and more is likely to be noticeable in some way.

There was a Brazilian user here who posted his mother, his mother looked very European. But according to her autosomal DNA she was like 20% African and 10% Native American. Genotypes do not always influence phenotypes.

[Leto]

There was a Brazilian user here who posted his mother, his mother looked very European. But according to her autosomal DNA she was like 20% African and 10% Native American. Genotypes do not always influence phenotypes.
Sure, no doubt about it.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Turks when they entered Anatolia didn't only have Siberian/Asian ancestry. The Turks also brought Iranic dna with them, but the Anatolians also had them. The only unique DNA that the Turks brought is Asiatic dna.

Yes, that's what i am actually saying. I think that at least half of the ancestors of modern Turks were non-anatolians (carrying, as you said, not only Siberian dna), with the rest being native anatolians

[Hudayar]

Yes, that's what i am actually saying. I think that at least half of the ancestors of modern Turks were non-anatolians (carrying, as you said, not only Siberian dna), with the rest being native anatolians

it's kind of surprising that the Greeks left almost no genetic heritage in Anatolians despite ruling over them for centuries. This is why most Turks come up as half C. Asian and half Jew/Levantine even though the samples are very close to mainland Greece (Aydın Afyon etc). How come Anatolians were Hellenized like this? Turkification for example left a significant genetic impact because it mostly happened through intermarriages.

[Böri]

it's kind of surprising that the Greeks left almost no genetic heritage in Anatolians despite ruling over them for centuries. .

Not to mention that those Anatolian Greeks are nowadays like 1/3 of Greece population. :)

[Sikeliot]

Turks do not seem very close to Greeks or to southern Italians the more I see these results. The difference is clear and obvious.

[Babak]

So they're basically Anatolian+Balkan+Central asian

N.Euro admixture/Baltid comes from East iranics who lived in Soghdiana/Bactria

[Hudayar]

So they're basically Anatolian+Balkan+Central asian

N.Euro admixture/Baltid comes from East iranics who lived in Soghdiana/Bactria

there's no balkan influence in them

[Hudayar]

btw added a new western Turk from Çanakkale

[Babak]

there's no balkan influence in them

Ah ok

[Lavrentis]

Not to mention that those Anatolian Greeks are nowadays like 1/3 of Greece population. :)

Not 1/3, they are actually around 20% of the population of Greece. But a good number of them are from Smyrna and those from Smyrna are directly related to settlers from mainland Greece.


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[Sikeliot]

Not 1/3, they are around 20% of the population of Greece. But a good number of them are from Smyrna and those from Smyrna are directly related to settlers from mainland Greece.


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I am 1/32 Smyrna Greek and on 23andme I get around 2% Balkan (my mother scores none so it must be from my father), which means that Greek ancestor was likely to be close to mainlanders on 23andme who score mostly Balkan and then a secondary Italian component.

What people forget is the ancestry that the ancient Greeks left in Anatolia lives on in western Anatolian Greeks, NOT in the Turkish population.

[Hudayar]

Turks do not seem very close to Greeks or to southern Italians the more I see these results. The difference is clear and obvious.

Yeah, Turks on average are closest to Northern Caucasians, Azeris. Second closest to Turkmens (some samples are very close to Turkmens tho), Nogais, East Meds (Sephardic Jews, Cypriots (could someone post Cypriot results?) and Third closest to Southern Italians, Sicilians, Greeks, Levantine people etc

[Sikeliot]

It is just interesting because in places like Apulia the average person, whether Italian or Greek speaking, is close to modern Greeks, but this is not the case for Turkey. It makes me think Anatolia was densely populated by comparison.

[brennus dux gallorum]

it's kind of surprising that the Greeks left almost no genetic heritage in Anatolians despite ruling over them for centuries. This is why most Turks come up as half C. Asian and half Jew/Levantine even though the samples are very close to mainland Greece (Aydın Afyon etc). How come Anatolians were Hellenized like this? Turkification for example left a significant genetic impact because it mostly happened through intermarriages.

Greeks ruled and hellenized anatolians through education, but there were not many intermarriages between original Greeks and anatolians from inland anatolia. Very few turks have limited Greek ancestry, and those are only from Aegean coasts, which were colonized by Greeks, inland turkey is technically "clear" from Greek admixture, even in case of very western cities

[Bobby Martnen]

I am 1/32 Smyrna Greek and on 23andme I get around 2% Balkan (my mother scores none so it must be from my father), which means that Greek ancestor was likely to be close to mainlanders on 23andme who score mostly Balkan and then a secondary Italian component.

What people forget is the ancestry that the ancient Greeks left in Anatolia lives on in western Anatolian Greeks, NOT in the Turkish population.

You have recent Greek ancestry through your Sicilian side?

[Bobby Martnen]

Alpinid - looks Hungarian to me

Whoops meant to post this in a different thread could an admin please delete this post?

[Hudayar]

I made this bar chart. I used one of Dienekes's bar charts
https://i.hizliresim.com/ByndgM.png
I'll make more if i see more Western Turkish results.
So far i only have 2. One from Kütahya and one from Eskişehir. Results are pretty identical to the samples that i posted

Average mongoloid component of 5 Turks is around 14.96% here

[DarkSecret]

Aydın Turks arent 50% Armenian or Abkhasians what the f*ck?
It seems you are sort of easterner yourself and wanna paint everybody that way.
Aydın Turks come out as 50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan and 50% Aegean islander.

Mixed population sharing is based on components and living ethnicities are used to model individuals in a genetic way.

Turks all have Caucasian Hunter Gatherer (some calculators call it West Asian) component as first and most dominant component. Iranian plateau component is also present.
Even in Central Asia or lost parts of Europe you see those components.

That doesn't belong to Armenians.
Armenians speak IE language, their ancestors came from Kurgan steppe and assimilated natives.

Their story isn't so much different than Turks in this regard.

Hahaha can you see jews and assyrians on that results? HAhahahhahahhahaah!