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Septentrional
12-30-2010, 05:57 PM
I view the history of the world through two basic prisms: Race and Ideas.

Ideas can change the world but race shapes them.

I've read Michael Hart's book about the history of the world from a perspective mainly based in race where he studied a lot of different peoples throughout history and noted that it usually did not require a lot of people of high intellect to rule (and indeed conquer) a foreign people - just think about the whites and Africa.

Still, today's policies of mass immigration and multiculturalism is deeply worrying as the Western world might fall into the path of Portugal, which had a lively European stock once upon a time but when they got a lot of wealthy colonies and some began to pick spouses from the natives, there was a clear lack of warning against this behaviour. The result was extensive crossbreeding where the IQ and the features of the peoples were drastically lowered.

Britain stood in sharp contrast to this where even 300 africans from Sierra Leone were treated as a public health danger and roundly deported back to Africa. Anyone who also bred with an African woman was socially shunned and the children were decried as 'halfbreeds'.

It is clear that some countries, like the U.S., may be past the point of no return where the country will increasingly become a Latin American bananarepublic. Europe's fate is still in the decider and where the trends are looking up.

Still, without a major crisis, Europes fate will be the same.
So what could this crisis be?

Peak Oil is a concept some of you may have heard of. To put it short, the entire world economy is based on cheap energy. Energy is very tightly corrolated with economic growth. And we power our planet on fossil fuels, as you all know. For all the hype about renewable energy, it's still a pipe dream to make the Earth self-sufficient and make economic growth sustainable.


http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3978/worldprimaryenergysuppl.gif

The lion's share of this fossil fuel mix is oil. Oil is making the world, literally. Medications are made out of oil, although very refined petrolium, but still. So is plastic, computer parts. Even make-up.

But perhaps most critically, oil is fundamental to our food production. You need cheap oil for both the production, harvesting and transportation of food. With very expensive oil comes less production or at least severely delayed production which results in food riots. We already saw this in 2008 when the oil price was spiking. We are now soon spiking as well. Just a few years ago, 40$ per oilbarell was seen as "expensive". Now 90$ is the new normal.


Since oil is so central to our energysupply(not just as a transportation fuel), there is an extremely tight link between growth and oil production. The recession in 1980 in the U.S. was caused by the second oil shock as Iran tightened it's supplies as a response to the attempt to rescure the hostages in Iran, it wasn't inflation or anything else. The same was true in the early 70s in the first oil shock. Take a look at the close relationship:

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So are we running out? Well, no, not exactly. Peak Oil is not about running out, it's about passing a peak of production. A maximal output possible after going, inevitably, downhill. Oil, after all, is a finite resource. It's almost beyond explaining that all things which are finite have a limit of their maximum possible production until they fall into irreversible decline.

The problem is that especially China and India are having two deadly symptoms: A) They're both very populous. B) They're both growing at a brisk pace.

Even if the Western world is getting more efficient, it's more than eaten up by the verocious appetite of these two countries. As I previously wrote: economic growth requires energy. We're still deeply addicted to Oil as our main energy source, which means more oil is needed.

Now here is the dealbreaker: We're passed or at Peak.


http://www.theoildrum.com/files/PeakOil1.png

Notice that it's almost 2011 now and I've looked at the numbers and we dont have a higher production today than in 2008, it's slightly lower(although not as a low as this prediction).

This is why oil is now more expensive. It's at 90 $ per barrel. Goldman Sachs has said that this year will mean much higher oil prices - again.
Shell's ex-CEO has even went out and said that gas will cost 5$ a gallon by 2012.

http://parkerspitzer.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/28/hofmeister-gas-will-cost-5-a-gallon-by-2012/

Can we reverse the tide? Well, no. It takes about 10-15 years for new oil fields to be at maximum capacity. The problem is that we have a chronic lack of new oil fields, before the maximum production capacity is reached there needs to be a maximum discovery capacity.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5456/productionfollowsdiscov.gif


And even mitigation attempts takes time.

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Since China and India won't stop their economic growth because we ask nicely, this means there will be classic resource wars as well as severe stress. Africa, as always, will be hardest hit. Large parts of the Middle-East too, considering that the OPEC-countries need more and more oil to burn for themselves and the rest of the world will be able to outbid, say, Jordan or Syria. The Arab world has nothing except oil and is also in a dire situation water-wise. This will prompt mass migrations Northwards, to Europe.

Mexico's federal budget is made up out of 40 % of oil revenues. The problem that they have is that their oil fields, especially the largest Cantarell field, is already in decline, or post-peak as the term is.

The state is already a joke with the Mafia running large swaths of the country. Expect a similar mass migration Northwards, this time to the U.S.

As the situation won't have any quick fixes(including any QE2's or any other financial wizardry from the Fed or other central banks, this is imposed by nature not Man), and mass famine, mass migrations will continue in their intensity, it becomes inevitable, in my view, of racial wars coupled with resource wars.

Here's a final graph to show how much of the world's population is kept fed thanks to what kinds of fossil fuels:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5904/fossilfuelsallowedhighe.gif

Even disrupting this slightly means millions will die, and this is just from the natural side of things. You can never factor in extra deaths in racial and resource wars that will follow irregardless.

This is also an opportunity for the West to rid itself of Africans and non-Western immigrants from the Middle-East and beyond.

Naturally, I'm not advocating fullblown genocide but since people will die in the West as everywhere else, in just 5 years' time and onwards, I see it as inevitable that in a place like Europe, there will be muslim-christian clashes but these might spread between immigrant communities as well as ethnic Britons, ethnic Germans and so on against most(if not all) else. Add to this the mass migrations of starved Africans and a political elite obsessed with national suicde, and it is hard not to see serious social upheaval on the horizon.

I am a bit skeptical about America though, since it is already so late. The Whites are barely 60 % there. Europe, on the other hand, has the holocaust hanging over it's neck. On the other hand, reading the genetic and genelogical history of the world shows over and over how you don't need large amounts of intellectually superior people to conquer large swaths of inferior ones. What ultimately decides is not really the opposition but the willingness to kill and conquer. Genocidal imperialism is what once made the West great before it got soft. Is it time for a return?

Grumpy Cat
12-30-2010, 06:17 PM
Peak oil will bring on the race wars people fantasize about, since people will be fighting to survive and they will go back to their instincts of ensuring those who are like them will survive like what is outlined in Richard Dawkins' The Selfish Gene.

That instinct is largely repressed in humans when we have plenty.

Great Dane
12-30-2010, 06:21 PM
It is clear that some countries, like the U.S., may be past the point of no return where the country will increasingly become a Latin American bananarepublic.
Does this mean that American Jews will desert us and look for greener pastures?:(

Grumpy Cat
12-30-2010, 10:41 PM
Does this mean that American Jews will desert us and look for greener pastures?:(

Yup, they will.

And your biggest trading partners are already doing so as well.

Joe McCarthy
12-30-2010, 10:48 PM
Does this mean that American Jews will desert us and look for greener pastures?:(

People should look into just what a 'banana republic' is before theorizing that we're on the verge of becoming one.

Grumpy Cat
12-30-2010, 11:35 PM
Peak oil will not be reached in our lifetime, even the youngest forum member would be long dead.

There is enough oil in Canada alone to fuel the world at current consumption rates for the next few centuries at least, and we are not the only country with oil.

Of course, consuming oil at the current consumption rates will cause other problems so we should be investigating alternate fuel sources (and no, I'm not advocating biofuels because using what could be used as food as fuel is not the answer).

Septentrional
12-31-2010, 09:45 AM
Does this mean that American Jews will desert us and look for greener pastures?:(

And go where? Israel is not exactly looking more exotic by the day(well, it is, but for the wrong reasons (http://972mag.com/how-one-page-in-haaretz-shows-where-israel-is-headed/)).

Europe is increasingly nationalistic. Right now it's the muslims but considering the Continent's long dark past, it's not a huge bet that the Jews' might be up for all kinds of smear campaigns.

Can Canada and Australia swallow 6 million Jews? Especially in a post-Peak world where it struggles to meet a lot of refugees from other places and feed it's own struggling population?


People should look into just what a 'banana republic' is before theorizing that we're on the verge of becoming one.

The U.S. is already a bananarepublic in many ways. The corporate elite controls the political process since it's all about who funds the campaigns and who can lobby most effectively. Add to this the serious weakness that large amounts of latinos immigrants and homegrown negroes constitute to the national talentpool.

You can't really be rid of this problem unless America becomes far scarier than Nazi Germany ever was but at the same time, if it does go ahead, it will lose it's soul while saving the nation. On the other hand, the early Americans didn't have any reservations about ethnically cleansing the native population when they came to the country's shores so who knows? Maybe genocide is already a part of the American DNA. Either way, Americas future is grim in the long run although brighter than Europe's in the short run.



Peak oil will not be reached in our lifetime, even the youngest forum member would be long dead.

There is enough oil in Canada alone to fuel the world at current consumption rates for the next few centuries at least, and we are not the only country with oil.

Of course, consuming oil at the current consumption rates will cause other problems so we should be investigating alternate fuel sources (and no, I'm not advocating biofuels because using what could be used as food as fuel is not the answer).


It's certainly true that Canada has loads and loads of oil, but a very small fraction of that is available. The U.S. alone has enough oil to make itself self-sufficient for the next three centuries. So why isn't it getting that oil? Well, it's almost impossible to get at. In fact, Carter ordered going so far as to blow up the rock with a nuclear bomb(which they did) but they still couldn't break the rock formation deep underground that houses that oil. If you can't get to it with an Atomic bomb, what makes you think you can do it with an oil drill?

As for tar sands, it's only really economical when oil prices are very high. And even then you can only add about 2-3 m/b of oil per day, about 5 % of the world's production.

Anyone who thinks there is a silver bullet to this problem, a magic quick fix, is still very early in their understanding of the problem. Peak Oil isn't about as much as supply, it's also about what is economical. A lot of people don't know you need natural gas and huge amounts of water to get oil out of the tar sands of Canada, you actually lose energy whenever oil is under 80 $ per barrel. So in other words, the only way for tar sands to become viable is for Peak Oil to be a reality and since tar sands can only marginally dent the irreversible tide, it's more of decoration than any tangible effect.

Loki
12-31-2010, 12:06 PM
Genocidal imperialism is what once made the West great before it got soft. Is it time for a return?

Don't be ridiculous. You made a wonderfully well-researched post, and then chose to end it choppily with a call to consider genocide as a solution (!). How preposterous can you get?

Humans are very resourceful and will find a way to circumvent the predicted energy shortfall in the future. Science, not bloodshed, is the answer. It's inconceivable that in this day and age people are still looking to genocide as an answer to any problems.

Breedingvariety
12-31-2010, 12:24 PM
On the other hand, reading the genetic and genelogical history of the world shows over and over how you don't need large amounts of intellectually superior people to conquer large swaths of inferior ones. What ultimately decides is not really the opposition but the willingness to kill and conquer.
That was quite a hint.

Genocidal imperialism is what once made the West great before it got soft. Is it time for a return?
Oh, it will return all right.

Septentrional
12-31-2010, 05:20 PM
Don't be ridiculous. You made a wonderfully well-researched post, and then chose to end it choppily with a call to consider genocide as a solution (!). How preposterous can you get?

Humans are very resourceful and will find a way to circumvent the predicted energy shortfall in the future. Science, not bloodshed, is the answer. It's inconceivable that in this day and age people are still looking to genocide as an answer to any problems.

I think science and bloodshed are both the answer, they go hand-in-hand.
The only way to secure the West's future is to make sure the people who inhabit it are intelligent and friendly towards it. This excludes muslims on an ideological basis and the vast majority of non-Western, non-East Asian immigrants. Furthermore, the only way to cleanse the lands is by genocide if regular ethnic cleansing fails. This would need to be done biologically or chemically.

Great Dane
12-31-2010, 05:32 PM
And go where? Israel is not exactly looking more exotic by the day(well, it is, but for the wrong reasons (http://972mag.com/how-one-page-in-haaretz-shows-where-israel-is-headed/)).

Europe is increasingly nationalistic. Right now it's the muslims but considering the Continent's long dark past, it's not a huge bet that the Jews' might be up for all kinds of smear campaigns.

Can Canada and Australia swallow 6 million Jews? Especially in a post-Peak world where it struggles to meet a lot of refugees from other places and feed it's own struggling population?

What about China? They say the twentyfirst-century is the Chinese century. Who would notice six million Jews among 1.3 billion people?

Loki
12-31-2010, 06:13 PM
I think science and bloodshed are both the answer, they go hand-in-hand.
The only way to secure the West's future is to make sure the people who inhabit it are intelligent and friendly towards it. This excludes muslims on an ideological basis and the vast majority of non-Western, non-East Asian immigrants. Furthermore, the only way to cleanse the lands is by genocide if regular ethnic cleansing fails. This would need to be done biologically or chemically.

Look, then go and spout your nonsense elsewhere, not on this forum.