Y-DNA in Early Medieval Poland

[Peterski]

For these who claim that modern Polish R1b was brought by the German Ostsiedlung after 1250-1300 AD, rather than being indigenous to Poland, here is a surprise. Sample from Early Medieval Gniezno (the first capital city of Poland), dated to 1000-1200 AD, has positive calls for R1b:

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJNA354503

Gniezno (1000AD-1200AD):

Gnie1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046900
Gnie2 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046901

Y-DNA calls for one of these Gniezno samples:

L150.1/PF6274.1/S351.1 = R1b1a2
PF6274.1/L150.1/S351.1 = R1b1a2
S351.1/L150.1/PF6274.1 = R1b1a2

So we have R1b in Poland long before any German settlements.

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Summary of Y-DNA from Early Medieval Polish samples (tested so far):

ME_7, Markowice (1000-1200 AD), I1a2a2a5-Y5384
GO_1, Gniezno (1000-1200 AD), R1b1a2-L150.1
NA_13, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), I2a1b2-L621
NA_18, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), J2a1a-L26

I'm surprised by lack of R1a. But these are only 4 samples, only the beginning:

https://www.ncn.gov.pl/finansowanie-nauki/przyklady-projektow/figlerowicz?language=en

https://s4.postimg.org/3n9kl6d5p/mapa.jpg

[Rethel]

As I once said, R1b 1000 years ago could be even more
numerious than is today. I still support that opinion.

Today is 12.5%. 1000 years ago could
be twice or thrice more than is today.
50% would also not surrprized me.

[Bobby Martnen]

For these who claim that modern Polish R1b was brought by the German Ostsiedlung after 1250-1300 AD, rather than being indigenous to Poland, here is a surprise. Sample from Early Medieval Gniezno (the first capital city of Poland), dated to 1000-1200 AD, has positive calls for R1b:

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJNA354503

Gniezno (1000AD-1200AD):

Gnie1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046900
Gnie2 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046901

Y-DNA calls for one of these Gniezno samples:

L150.1/PF6274.1/S351.1 = R1b1a2
PF6274.1/L150.1/S351.1 = R1b1a2
S351.1/L150.1/PF6274.1 = R1b1a2

So we have R1b in Poland long before any German settlements.

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Summary of Y-DNA from Early Medieval Polish samples (tested so far):

ME_7, Markowice (1000-1200 AD), I1a2a2a5-Y5384
GO_1, Gniezno (1000-1200 AD), R1b1a2-L150.1
NA_13, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), I2a1b2-L621
NA_18, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), J2a1a-L26

I'm surprised by lack of R1a. But these are only 4 samples, only the beginning:

https://www.ncn.gov.pl/finansowanie-nauki/przyklady-projektow/figlerowicz?language=en

https://s4.postimg.org/3n9kl6d5p/mapa.jpg

Is I1 in Poland of Germanic origin?

[Grab the Gauge]

There is no doubt R1b was more relatively numerous all over the world 1000 years ago.

[Rethel]

Is I1 in Poland of Germanic origin?

Yes and no.
It depends on, which subclade.

[Bobby Martnen]

Yes and no.
It depends on, which subclade.

I-Z60?

[Rethel]

I-Z60?

50:50

[Veslan]

For these who claim that modern Polish R1b was brought by the German Ostsiedlung after 1250-1300 AD, rather than being indigenous to Poland, here is a surprise. Sample from Early Medieval Gniezno (the first capital city of Poland), dated to 1000-1200 AD, has positive calls for R1b:

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJNA354503

Gniezno (1000AD-1200AD):

Gnie1 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046900
Gnie2 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMN06046901

Y-DNA calls for one of these Gniezno samples:

L150.1/PF6274.1/S351.1 = R1b1a2
PF6274.1/L150.1/S351.1 = R1b1a2
S351.1/L150.1/PF6274.1 = R1b1a2

So we have R1b in Poland long before any German settlements.

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Summary of Y-DNA from Early Medieval Polish samples (tested so far):

ME_7, Markowice (1000-1200 AD), I1a2a2a5-Y5384
GO_1, Gniezno (1000-1200 AD), R1b1a2-L150.1
NA_13, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), I2a1b2-L621
NA_18, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), J2a1a-L26

I'm surprised by lack of R1a. But these are only 4 samples, only the beginning:

https://www.ncn.gov.pl/finansowanie-nauki/przyklady-projektow/figlerowicz?language=en

https://s4.postimg.org/3n9kl6d5p/mapa.jpg

1000 AD is not pre-German. The most of imported Catholic priests were of German origin, however some of them were Czech too, for an example Vojtěch Slavníkovec (aka "Święty Wojciech").

[Peterski]

Those were very very few people.

[Ayman Vasconic]

Interesting. Is there more results with haplogroup "I"?

[Aren]

The R1b in Poland, where does it fall under? Mostly U106 or P312?