How does school works in US?

[Heather Duval]

Middle class(not all)and poor people here goes to the public school
These are students from public schools
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Idk it seems like many social class groups goes to the public school in US according to films ive watched lol

[Heather Duval]

Most Brazilian thinks private schools are the best.

[Aviator]

You're Brazilian? Not American?

A light bulb has just gone off. No wonder you're so clueless in your interests.

[Finnish Swede]

Public school is just a name.

How to organize that...that's whole another thing.

Somewhere in Europe (for example Finland, Estonia) most of kids goes throught country's public school and still scores very high results in World level PISA tests.
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[Heather Duval]

People from private schools here dress more elegant as u can see by those pics above

[Aviator]

As for the topic at hand, public schools in the US wildly vary in their quality. In wealthier counties, you can't really tell a public school from a private school if you take away school uniforms and/or religious teachings.

[Heather Duval]

Public school is just a name.

How to organize that...that's whole another thing.

Somewhere in Europe (for example Finland) most of kids goes throught country's public school and still scores very high results in World level PISA tests.
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Public school in Europe isnt for people not rich enough? Here in Brazil things are almost this way.

[Finnish Swede]

Public school in Europe isnt for people not rich enough? Here in Brazil things are almost this way.

''Ritchness'' is subjective impression? But in some European countries (Scandinavia)....there are't poor people at all (like in Southern America, or many other places).

Anyway....the only reason why students goes to schools is learning. Nothing more, nothing less. And that is the only way, how different school systems should be compared and valued.

[Mortimer]

private schools are expensive though. not everyone can afford them. in austria public schools are good, there are not many private schools, some catholic schools etc. are private schools.

[Fractal]

If this was 1990s, I'd have no issues with sending my nieces and nephews to California public schools assumng they are in Orange County for Southern -California and Santa Clara County for NorCal.

But in the year 2017, there is no way I'd convince my brother in law to place his kid in California public schools.

[♥ Lily ♥]

In the UK, only the ruling elite, the upper crust, and aristocrats from the higher echelons of society attend public school. The ruling classes and royalty often say that they went to a 'public school'. Price William went to Eton, like David Cameron... which is one of the most elite independent public schools.

Most of the Conservative Party politicians in the UK government, and the Lords with high titles appointed to them by Her Majesty the Queen who serve in the elite House of Lords, consists of mostly white upper-class gentlemen from noble heritage and ruling elite backgrounds, who are often dubbed in the public as 'upper-class toffs and yuppies who are out-of-touch with the reality and aspirations of the majority of ordinary folk', and the Tories (Conservative Party politicians) are dubbed in the media as being 'old-school white Etonians' as they attended elite aristocratic schools, such as Eton.

Cambridge and Oxford are world-class leading universities in England, like Havard and Yale in the US are also ranked in the world's top ten leading universities.

In the UK, you automatically know someone is from an elite background if they say they were part of the Oxford or Cambridge rowing teams (such as Prince William and Kate,) and in the US, you know someone is from an upper-class and elite WASP background if they say they're in the Ivy League: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League

These schools will not accept pupils on just the basis of money, as they're very selective in who can be accepted to attend. They usually only accept students with noble heritage and background and who have strong family connections to the ruling elite in the hierarchy system. They're not schools for the 'nouveau riche' or newly-rich celebs, for example;- family class background, social status and heritage is what counts more than money in the selection process and acceptance of students into Eton.

Ozzy Osbourne is a millionaire for example, but he's not highly educated, although he's quite intelligent and aware, nor is he one for going to watch theatre plays, tennis and cricket games, ballet performances, nor does he have high social connections with people in a horse-riding and show-jumping associations, etc.... and so he's still always considered in society as culturally and socially being 'working-class' and 'noveau-riche' due to his Brummie accent, his schooling, family background, and social upbringing. Marilyn Manson and Ozzy also both sang a version of John Lennon's popular song 'Working Class Hero' because a person who works hard in life for everything they have against an oppressive system, has a lot more to be proud of than a pampered elite person born with a silver spoon in their mouth, who never had to work hard for what they inherited.

This song sings against school brainwashing, religious brainwashing, media brainwashing, and other forms of government tools used to oppress the masses of blinded sheep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMewtlmkV6c

Despite Ozzy's hard work and self-earned wealth, he's still very unlikely to ever receive a knighthood from Her Majesty the Queen. He's never been knighted, nor given any title and higher social rank in society on a condition to serve the British Empire, as he's made songs like 'War Pigs' against the government with Black Sabbath and he's not politically-correct enough to serve Her Majesty's interests and receive a title.

Legendary John Lennon was also a millionaire, but he's always considered by people as a 'working-class hero' like he sang in his famous and popular song 'a working class hero is something to be...' He's seen as being working class, despite all his hard-earned wealth in life - which he earned himself, rather than lazily just inheriting it in life.

Atheist John Lennon wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he proudly worked hard in life to earn and obtain his wealth, as he doesn't stem from a line of noble and elite bloodthirsty people who historically exploited people as slaves, and who stole much of their private land ownership and resources and accumulated their vast wealth by heavily taxing and bleeding the poor.

Despite his wealth and being nouveau-riche, John is still socially and culturally considered as working-class due to his upbringing, accent, background, education, and type of school he attended. He had a warm heart of a proud working-class hero in life.

Sir Paul McCartney on the other hand is very smarmy, pretentious, and politically-correct, (and a wife-beater who beat his first wife who is now dead, and his second wife is disabled and has artificial legs... and he beat her and traumatised her too,)... and yet he's given a knighthood, unlike politically rebellious but warm-hearted John Lennon who said he was being followed and watched in the US and threatened with deportation, as he had loads of fans and admirers and a massive popularity with the ordinary people. John Lennon sang songs about love and peace, and opposed the government and the Vietnam War. John and Paul often had disagreements and arguments with each other in The Beatles.

Despite his wealth, John was seen as 'too rebellious and radical' by the political ruling elite, before he was suddenly shot dead and murdered outside his stunning home at The Dakota - a beautiful and stunning architectural building which only allows highly artistic, unique, and creative people to live there, rather than accepting people to have a prestigious apartment at the stunning Dakota building on the basis of wealth. Many celebs have had their applications to live at The Dakota turned-down and rejected as money doesn't always buy your way into places. You have to be someone very creatively special and artistically unique to acquire a home at the Dakota.

For a working-class man from Liverpool to go to the US and be able to create a massive following of fans and be able to encourage students from colleges and universities all over the US (as seen in the massive Lennon following and protests against the government shown in video-footage below,) to join him in a nationwide US protest against the US government and Vietnam War was seen as 'dangerous' to the US government, whilst he sang in a shop window like a hippy laying in a bed singing about peace n' love and Hare Krishna with his Japanese artist wife Yoko Ono... before John was followed around and then shot dead.

He was seen by the US government and FBI as being too revolutionary and rebellious against the system and establishment, before Lennon was shot dead. The FBI also opened a file on rebel Jim Morrison who became estranged from his relatives and rebelled against his middle-class background and rebelled against wars (his father and grandfather both fought in wars in the US Navy,) before he suddenly died young in mysterious and unknown circumstances.

You can see loads of students in cities across the US joining John Lennon in the video below in protest against the government.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYoV6lDBIK4

The FBI disliked both John Lennon and Jim Morrison who rebelled against authority and sang against the government, 'They've got the guns, but we've got the numbers...' before they both suddenly died young. Jim was heavily demonised in the media and police presence and police arrests of him on-stage at his shows were frequent after he called the police as 'pigs' and told the audiences and crowds they were 'a bunch of slaves and idiots' who 'liked having their faces stuck in the sh*t by the government,' before asking his large crowds of listeners, 'what are you gonna do about it and how long will it last?'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Epue9X8bpc

Mick Jagger is from a middle-class background and he was also offered a knighthood from the Queen, but Mick Jagger is amongst the people who refused to accept any offers of a title from the Queen. Sir Elton John accepted his title in society - but he's politically-correct.

Pink Floyd and the infamous UK punk-rock band The Sex Pistols had their chart-topping no.1 hit songs censored in the UK by Thatcher and were never knighted for being politically-incorrect against the establishment and government.

This hit no.1 UK chart-topping song upon its release rebels against oppression and sings against schools in the UK for brainwashing children in the oppressive education system to become pigs (the kids are dressed with pig masks on their faces in the video) and to become politically-correct slaves of the government before they get thrown into a meat-machine.... and it was censored by Thatcher.

'We don't need thought control. Hey teacher! Leave those kids alone! All-in-all you're just another brick in the wall.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U

Punk-rocker and rebellious Irish-Londoner Johnny of The Sex Pistols is a millionaire and nouveau-riche, but he still is proud of his working-class origins. His mockery of the UK national anthem and his rebellion against the monarchy and ruling elite was a number 1 hit song in the UK, and when the government censored it from any radio or TV play, the band tried to sing it outside Buckingham Palace instead. When the police stopped them, the punk-rock band got on a boat and sang it whilst sailing down the River Thames for masses of ordinary people to hear! :P John Lydon said in a recent interview that while he feels nothing personally against Queen Elizabeth herself - he is against the monarchy system which thrives on oppression and he thinks we should become a Republic instead.


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Sir Paul McCartney was from a middle-class upbringing and he was awarded and given an honorary title from the Queen which has elevated his social status and prestige in society. A person being officially appointed with a title ranking in front of their first name (such as a 'Sir', 'Baron', 'Baroness,' 'Lord', 'Duchess', 'Prince,' 'Princess,' etc, ) gives people higher social status and invitations to prestigious events, and it also earns them social respect and extra privileges in society.

Social status, accent, heritage and class background are what matters more in UK society, rather than just someone acquiring money in life. It's not a very egalitarian society here, but it's based on a hierarchy system. I think there's more opportunities for people in life (regardless of their social background,) in the US - which is a democratic republic nation, than in the UK which is still run by a constitutional monarchy and hierarchy system.

The term 'public school' is a misnomer as they're actually the most elite schools within the private sector.

I think by free schools you mean comprehensive and state-run schools which are popular with the working classes.

'Private school' is a term often used by the upper middle class and lower middle classes for private schools.

I'm not sure if they have a Grammar School system in the US for intelligent and bright children only of any social class and background to academically earn their way into a free grammar school on the condition of passing an 11+ exam at age eleven.

I don't think smart school uniforms are a compulsory nationwide law in the US, and I don't know if they have church-run schools, like here we have Anglican Church of England schools, for example.

I don't know if they have equivalents in the US to the prestigious and award-winning Royal Academies of Music, Royal Academies of Engineering, Royal Academies of Science, etc, for private fee-paying students, but I think they may have academies there too.


Public School

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The playing fields of Rugby School, where according to legend the game of rugby football was invented

A public school in England and Wales is an older, student selective, fee-paying independent secondary school which caters primarily for children aged between 11 or 13 and 18. The term "public" should not be misunderstood to mean that these are public sector schools: they are in fact private sector. Traditionally, public schools were all-male boarding schools, although most now allow day pupils, and many have become either partially or fully co-educational. Scotland, having had a state-funded education system for roughly 300 years prior to England, uses the term in a different sense than its use in England, as a school administered by the local government to serve the children of that area.

Public schools emerged from charity schools established to educate poor scholars, the term "public" being used to indicate that access to them was not restricted on the basis of religion, occupation, or home location, and that they were subject to public management or control,[1] in contrast to private schools which were run for the personal profit of the proprietors.[2]

The origins of schools in the UK were primarily religious until 1640, when House of Commons invited Comenius to England to establish and participate in an agency for the promotion of learning. It was intended that by-products of this would be the publication of 'universal' books and the setting up of schools for boys and girls.[3]

Soon after the Clarendon Commission reported in 1864, the Public Schools Act 1868 gave the following seven schools independence from direct jurisdiction or responsibility of the Crown, the established church, or the government: Charterhouse, Eton College, Harrow School, Rugby School, Shrewsbury School, Westminster School, and Winchester College. Henceforth each of these schools was to be managed by a board of governors. The following year, the headmaster of Uppingham School invited sixty to seventy of his fellow headmasters to form what became the Headmasters' Conference—later the Headmasters' and Headmistresses' Conference (HMC). Separate preparatory schools (or "prep schools") developed from the 1830s, which "prepared" younger boys for entry to the senior schools; as a result the latter began limiting entry to boys who had reached 12 or 13 years of age.

Public schools have had a strong association with the ruling classes. Historically they educated the sons of the English upper and upper-middle classes. The sons of officers and senior administrators of the British Empire were educated in England while their parents were on overseas postings. In 2010, over half of Cabinet Ministers had been educated at public schools; by contrast, most prime ministers since 1964 were educated at state schools. In 2014, annual fees at Canford School and Eton College were more than £33,000 for boarders.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_(United_Kingdom)




According to the Independent Schools Information Service – a consortium set up by British independent schools to promote themselves to the public – the term "public school" is:

...usually applied to describe the 215 independent and mainly boys' secondary schools belonging to the Headmasters' Conference. The name dates back to the time when schools founded for local children went 'public' and admitted children from further afield. It is also used to describe the some 230 girls' senior schools belonging to the Girls' Schools Association.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_(United_Kingdom)

Jeremy John Ratter (born 8 June 1943), better known as Penny "Lapsang" Rimbaud, is a writer, poet, philosopher, painter, musician and activist. He was a member of the performance art groups EXIT and Ceres Confusion, and in 1972 was co-founder of the Stonehenge Free Festival, together with Phil Russell aka Wally Hope.

In 1977, alongside Steve Ignorant, he co-founded the seminal anarchist punk band Crass, who disbanded in 1984. Up until 2000 he devoted himself almost entirely to writing, returning to the public platform in 2001 as a performance poet working alongside Australian saxophonist Louise Elliott and a wide variety of jazz musicians under the umbrella of Penny Rimbaud's Last Amendment.

Co-Author Penny Rimbaud (of Crass) provides a scathing view in this 4 minute video below into England's oppressive class system.

1:55 'The entire legal profession, the entire military officers, the entire literary world, etc, is dominated by people from privileged classes, from the upper classes. You can't buy your way into the upper classes;- it's not like America where money defines class. In this country - background defines class.'

'It's as deeply ingrained into the English character and psyche as is the caste system in India - except it's not quite so explicit - it doesn't need to be because every one of us as a Brit understands exactly where we belong. And we understand it just by our accents.'

'For example, If I'm stopped by the police out on the street;- my accent will immediately inform him or her of what essentially I'm going to be thinking, or what my expections are, or how I'll defend myself. It's absolutely written into our whole social conditioning and it's deeply ingrained into the English psyche from childhood.'

'For example, I don't look like an upper middle-class gentleman, but I sound like one, so when I go into a shop and because I look a bit trampish then I attract interest from the security. But I only need to open my mouth and the security realises 'oh, it's ok, he's just an upper-class eccentric - rather than a working-class tramp.' It's in action and play all the time in our society.' Author, Penny Rimbaud (below.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlQDz1gV8aU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQzE2veImRk

Revolutionary changes may happen if socialist Jeremy Corbyn wins the next UK election.... and rebellious Jeremy's ancestry hails from the same island as rebellious Jim Morrison. Jeremy said he would've loved to have met Jim as they could be 'two peas in a pod' and 'kindred spirits'. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/scotland-now/doors-legend-jim-morrisons-scottish-11101966

[Heather Duval]

If this was 1990s, I'd have no issues with sending my nieces and nephews to California public schools assumng they are in Orange County for Southern -California and Santa Clara County for NorCal.

But in the year 2017, there is no way I'd convince my brother in law to place his kid in California public schools.

why not?

[Heather Duval]

''Ritchness'' is subjective impression? But in some European countries (Scandinavia)....there are't poor people at all (like in Southern America, or many other places).

Anyway....the only reason why students goes to schools is learning. Nothing more, nothing less. And that is the only way, how different school systems should be compared and valued.

Private schools here got status and the education is better than public ones
but isnt all that good because if you went to a private school you need to pay money if you want to make a test for ENEM.

[Heather Duval]

Brazilian students from public schools dont pay for lunchs, its free

[Finnish Swede]

Private schools here got status and the education is better than public ones
but isnt all that good because if you went to a private school you need to pay money if you want to make a test for ENEM.

To be honest I do't think it is fair to compare public schools in wealthy countries (which pays high taxes) to wealthy countries which do't that. Just because the cost structure of public schools can be quite different.

Still even if PISA results has been excellent in Finland...there is no reasons to be too proud. 2002 Finland was the best country in World in PISA tests. Since then the positions has gone down all the time little by little. Not because of other Europeans, or Americans (North or South)...nope...but just because of Asians. One by one their students have succeed better and better. Believe me there has been lots of discussions lately how to develop Finland's school system even more. The methods which Asians are using (to get ahead) can not be copied. Culture and students are so different. In Europe and in Finland...we have do things differently. Some changes has already been done in Finland.Still it takes time to see the results....10 - 14years easily.

Good point in Western/European school systems (and cultures) vs Asians is that it educate students for more indepentent thinking (which support more free/innovative thinking). But we can not lag too much behind of basic knowledges.

[Finnish Swede]

Brazilian students from public schools dont pay for lunchs, its free

That's great. Same in here. Even University studings are totally free (no term fees).
Meaning the best students (= most talented ones) will get in, and not those whose parents might be the ritchest ones.

[Heather Duval]

That's great. Same in here. Even University studings are totally free (no term fees).
Meaning the best students (= most talented ones) will get in, and not those whose parents might be the ritchest ones.

Yes but public schools in US isnt great in that case
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Lunchs arent free in places like Maine.

[Finnish Swede]

Yes but public schools in US isnt great in that case
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Lunchs arent free in places like Maine.

Honestly I do't think that Finns have any higher IQ than others....expecially what comes to Swedes :D) (even if some studies might blaime so). I also think that one secret of Finland's students good PISA results comes from school foods. It's very healthy...and being so...it helps students to concentrate things/lessons longer (as growing up). British and some others have even visited in Finland's schools just because school foods (to see what students eat here).

[Linebacker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ugJZhL-cbc

[Heather Duval]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ugJZhL-cbc

They cant even name their own States. Most Americans dont take geography at School, one of the most retard thing is that: They can choice what class they want to go.

[Heather Duval]

Having cars mean great status in Brazil, studying in a private school too
also having Iphone. People here considers bus a low class thing

[KMack]

How does school works in US?

They are very localized. A city, township or a county typically are in charge of public schools. At least around here public school systems get their money from real estate taxes. Another form of public schools are called charter schools, public in that taxes can fund them. We have lots of private schools. Catholic schools have always been popular, guessing they lead the county as far having the most private schools. Where I live the Catholic high schools are often all male and all female, the smaller ones are coed. There are also Catholic schools that don't charge tuition for poorer kids, they are funded by donations mainly. We also have private schools (near me) called Seven Hills, Summit Country Day, Cincinnati Country Day etc., very very expensive.

[Finnish Swede]

Having cars mean great status in Brazil, studying in a private school too
also having Iphone. People here considers bus a low class thing

''Status'' as suchs....seems to mean a lot of you (Brasilians?).

[Heather Duval]

''Status'' as suchs....seems to mean a lot of you (Brasilians?).

People in Brazil usually get impresed by status

[amoora]

I went to high school in Puerto Rico, but I met people in college here in the US who went to public school and they are upper middle class. They took the same classes I took at my private school. Affluent areas in the US have great public schools...so yes I think you could say all socioeconomic classes here may go to public school. Some people go to private school though.

[Heather Duval]

I went to high school in Puerto Rico, but I met people in college here in the US who went to public school and they are upper middle class. They took the same classes I took at my private school. Affluent areas in the US have great public schools...so yes I think you could say all socioeconomic classes here may go to public school. Some people go to private school though.

Are private school students more arrogant there?

[KMack]

Are private school students more arrogant there?

I don't think there is any correlation of that.

[amoora]

Are private school students more arrogant there?

perceived that way by other people yes, but it's not true for everyone. Of course there are some snobs but people exaggerate lol

[Heather Duval]

perceived that way by other people yes, but it's not true for everyone. Of course there are some snobs but people exaggerate lol

Agree.