Rapes are the fault of Norwegian girls

[Herder]

A little old but what's interesting here is reading what the African had to say. He said it represents the attitude of the Somali community.

http://www.eutimes.net/2008/05/norway-oslo-rapes-are-the-fault-of-norwegian-girls/
Norwegian version - http://www.p4.no/story.aspx?id=272134

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Norway, Oslo: ‘Rapes are the fault of Norwegian girls’
Posted by Jacques Martin on May 19th, 2008 // 11 Comments

Oslo police recently released its 2007 Rape Report. The report shows a marked increase in Somali rapists, generally on account of gang rapes. (Translated from Norwegian)

At least ten women were attacked and molested by a gang of Somali men at Sofienberg park in Oslo on Saturday evening.

Last year a record-high 161 rapes and 35 rape attempts were reported in Oslo. Over 70% of the rapists were non-Norwegian [ed. ethnically, a majority had Norwegian citizenship].

Lawyer Abid Raja visited a cafe in Grønland in Oslo for Norwegian broadcaster P4. There he met three young men (ages 26, 30 and 35), from Somalia and Senegal.

The men, who refused to have their names published, spoke with P4 about the rape and robbery wave hitting the city.

[ed: The transcript below is not complete (in the original)]

A: Honestly? Norwegians are horrible!

Q: What are you thinking about?

A: I’m thinking of everything. Not least the food is bad. (He then speaks of the fact that Muslims don’t eat pork).

Q: What do you think of Norwegian women then?

A: They’re something completely different, he says as his friends laugh.

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A: But listen now, Norwegian girls complain that foreign boys do this and that, but the reason there are so many rapes is that Norwegian girls go around almost completely naked! That’s like saying “come here and fuck me”, you understand?

Q: You’re saying that Norwegian girls are asking to be raped?

A: Not exactly asking, but when then go out almost completely naked and get completelydrunk in Frogner park or go to a party together with some friend, and then they complain about being raped? It’s their fault, says the 26 year old from Somalia.

Q: But even if they go around lightly dressed and get drunk then they’re certainly not asking to be raped?

A: No, but many of the foreigners aren’t used to this where they come from. They’re not accustomed that girls go dressed as they want, then maybe they interpret this a bit wrong, you understand?

Regarding the gang who attacked several girls, threw them down and tore off their clothes in Sofienberg park in Grünerløkka, the men explain this saying that the boys were very young.

A: Weren’t these boys young? Such as 13-14 years old? I think this was curiosity as to how girls look. They were so young that they didn’t know what they were doing, says the 35 year old Somali.

The 30 year old comes from Senegal and thinks African men respect women, but that attack rapes happen when the men drink.

A: We who come from Senegal don’t like to speak with Norwegian men, but we like Norwegian women. That’s because in African culture they respect women, but not men.

Q: But why do young African men attack Norwegian women?

A: Such things happen now and then. When we drink too much and get drunk it happens that we attack them, but if we don’t drink, we don’t attack Norwegian women – but respect them, says the Senegalese, who speaks in bad English.

The 26 year old Somali speaks the most. He thinks his and his friends’ points of view represent the attitudes of many in the Somali community.

Q: You don’t think many will be scared that you have such attitudes if P4 broadcasts this interview on the radio?

A: Just broadcast it, because this is true. That’s the way things are – it’s the facts. I’m not lying. I’ve never been with a Norwegian lady, but I’ve been with many Norwegian girls – they are fairly nice and very skilled in bed.

[Debaser11]

If a white man had said this, feminists would make him a their number one target.

[Austin]

Feminists are deluded. Whole generations of young women have been mentally and ethically compromised, being left to decay socially and morally by the time they are 25 thanks to feminism. I'd say for every young woman who has made it into the corporate/professional world thanks to feminism there are fifty to a hundred who have become prostitutes/escorts/bar-club-fiends all in the name of some flawed sense of social liberation which is actually made to take advantage of them.

If you want evidence of this I suggest watching Meghan McCain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghan_McCain) speak sometime, pull up one of her videos. She is the daughter of John McCain and is honestly one of the most stupid people I have ever listened to. She is a lesbian blond who would interrupt people to ask them if they stared in 'Real World' on MTV which she watches..... (this is a person with political aspirations)

[Albion]

So Norwegian women showing a bit of leg makes Africans think "oh they must want a bit!" then does it??? What sort of sad f****** excuse is that supposed to be?
What sort of person thinks "Ooooh, I saw a bit of skin, now I'll just go and rape someone!" ?- how the hell can they actually think like that??
Its a sad excuse for criminal behaviour, and how do they explain it - with the race card! They're implying its different in Africa and that European culture is the problem, well:


Its the same in Africa, how many times have you seen the news and seen some African half-naked? Its basically all the time.
They are trying to say Norwegian women are giving them the wrong impression and that its Western Culture's fault - well if they're so assimilated into Western Culture as they claim to be how do they explain pinning this on cultural differences?


They act as its one big misinterpretation, as if this sort of thing is normal, its ridiculous - foreign criminals like this should be deported.

[Adalwolf]

Maybe we should ship all the negroes to the middle east, so they won't have to worry about the woman there showing a little skin. I wonder what kind of ridiculous excuse they would come up with next time..?

The majority of these recent black immigrants are like animals, they listen to their instinct over reason most of the time.

[Murphy]

Pick them up, put two bullets through their knee caps, send them home.

[Birka]

Pick them up, put two bullets through their knee caps, send them home.


Save a bullet, one in the gonads.

[Sword of the Morning]

Last year a record-high 161 rapes and 35 rape attempts were reported in Oslo. Over 70% of the rapists were non-Norwegian [ed. ethnically, a majority had Norwegian citizenship].

If this were more widely known . . .


A: Just broadcast it, because this is true. That’s the way things are – it’s the facts. I’m not lying. I’ve never been with a Norwegian lady, but I’ve been with many Norwegian girls – they are fairly nice and very skilled in bed.

. . . then this would be much less common.

Our job, amongst others, is to disseminate this type of information. For our future's sake.

[Debaser11]

^ And not that I ever excuse rape, but I'll bet the nature of the 70% were much more arbitrary and violent than the ones largely committed by the native men.

[Brynhild]

What never ceases to bother me is how such brutes justify their actions by blaming it on the woman who allegedly asks for it just because she shows a bit of skin and wants to go to a pub or club, enjoy a few drinks and have a good time. They deserve to be castrated - nothing more, nothing less.

[Loki]

Pick them up, put two bullets through their knee caps, send them home.

Exactly. What these sorry excuse for human beings deserve.

[Karl der Große]

If I'm not mistaken, criminals are deported.

[Brynhild]

If I'm not mistaken, criminals are deported.

I wish they were. In Australia, they will just serve time, our laws aren't anywhere near being strict enough. :mad:

[Debaser11]

Depotation be racis 'n' shii...

[Adalwolf]

If I'm not mistaken, criminals are deported.

Most of the time they're not. Goodbye tax payer money!

[Karl der Große]

I wish they were. In Australia, they will just serve time, our laws aren't anywhere near being strict enough. :mad:

They are, at least to those who do not carry citizenship, methinks. Here in Hamburg two Ghanians who attacked a girl outside of local nightclub were kicked out to home some weeks ago.

[Karl der Große]

Most of the time they're not. Goodbye tax payer money!

How do you know? Do you have any source of it?

[Loki]

Just deported? What a cop-out! They'll just catch the next plane back again. :rolleyes: Why stay in filthy Africa when you can rape Norwegian girls for free?

[Debaser11]

It's problematic that such nightclubs exist in the first place. What in God's name were women doing around those types?

[Loki]

How do you know? Do you have any source of it?

Recently, an immigrant who killed a girl in England could not be deported, since he had children with an English woman afterwards ... :rolleyes:

[Loki]

It's problematic that such nightclubs exist in the first place. What in God's name were women doing around those types?

Uhm ... they are not found where you live? Nothing wrong with nightclubs.

[Adalwolf]

How do you know? Do you have any source of it?

Yes. Take a look at Switzerland for example, one of the few countries to establish this new law. It just barely passed, 52.9% in favor.


Swiss voters taking part in a referendum Sunday have said yes to new regulations on the deportation of foreigners convicted of crimes ranging from murder to drug trafficking.

Some 52.9 per cent of voters backed the proposal put forward by the right-wing Swiss People's Party to automatically deport foreigners convicted of serious crimes.

The plan was opposed by 47.1 per cent of voters.

A more moderate government-backed counter-proposal was rejected. It would have required a case-by-case review by a judge before a deportation.

Swiss People's Party parliamentarian Yves Nidegger said the vote shows the majority of Swiss consider foreign criminality to be a problem and the solution is to deport foreigners who commit a crime.

He said the vote marks a first step to a greater security.

Migrant rights advocate Yasmina Causevic said there are already laws in place to address the issue of foreigners who commit crimes.

"It's already possible to expel criminals who threaten national security, so there is absolutely no need for new laws," she said.

The Swiss People's Party's campaign had featured posters showing a group of white sheep kicking a black sheep off the Swiss flag.

Currently, about 750 foreigners are expelled from Switzerland every year.

[alexandra]

it is a choice to dress in such a way that might attract danger or harassment of sexual persuasion as much as it is a choice to harm or rape someone who chooses to dress this way. we could be talking about this instance or a frat party flooded with 20 year olds, i guess ultimately it should be that people who demand that sort of attention should be "less surprised" it happened, but not at all to blame for some sick fuck's terrible choice.

just because common sense suggests that there is indeed a risk involved with dressing like this, does not mean that if the risk becomes a reality that it is excused, under any circumstance. one has to take responsibility for their own actions, but this doesn't mean that people won't try to shirk responsibility if they see a factor in the situation as a possible justification to accompany doing something terrible that benefits them.

[Karl der Große]

It's problematic that such nightclubs exist in the first place. What in God's name were women doing around those types?

They want fun what's the problem? Many night clubs in Germany are barring the entry of Turks and Africans because of situations of harassment and rapes. Austria has done it since the 90s.

[Debaser11]

Uhm ... they are not found where you live? Nothing wrong with nightclubs.

Sure, they are. But what does their proxmity to me have to do with anything?

Nightclubs are centers of decadence. I have high reservations about most of them for very real reasons.

[Karl der Große]

Recently, an immigrant who killed a girl in England could not be deported, since he had children with an English woman afterwards ... :rolleyes:

In such situations citizenship should be withdrawn.:)

[Loki]

Sure, they are. But what does their proxmity to me have to do with anything?

Nightclubs are centers of decadence. I have high reservations about most of them for very real reasons.

Well, there are nightclubs and there are nightclubs. It's like blaming a fast car for a speeding ticket. It's not the car, but the driver ...

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Brynhild
What never ceases to bother me is how such brutes justify their actions by blaming it on the woman who allegedly asks for it just because she shows a bit of skin and wants to go to a pub or club, enjoy a few drinks and have a good time.

If you’ve ever been out in England on a Friday or Saturday night you will find what an unedifying spectacle it often is. “Having a good time” involves being so shit faced you cannot stand, vomiting in the street, if you’re lucky ending up in some strangers bed, and the women are as bad as the men.

Obviously nobody asks to be raped but nobody asks to be mugged either, yet if you broadcast expensive jewellery in the less savoury parts of town or waved twenties around……you would have to be a bit dumb if you wondered why you were face down outside the pub with a cracked skull and short of cash and your jewellery. Why make it easier? Watch any news item in England about binge drinking it often shows girls vomiting in the streets wearing less than they would in the bedroom. If you’re that pissed you can’t stand and have no idea where you are or what you’re doing you might as well have a neon light on top of your head with rape/mug/kick fuck out of me flashing on it.

Criminals are opportunists, give them the opportunity and they will take it.

[Brynhild]

Just deported? What a cop-out! They'll just catch the next plane back again. :rolleyes: Why stay in filthy Africa when you can rape Norwegian girls for free?

I get your point, but as I understand it, if such criminals are charged and convicted, they would have a hard time going anywhere else legally because the record against them is noted.

@ Karl D G the non-citizens would serve time first and then be deported. I wish this applies to overseas born residents as well.

[Debaser11]

They want fun what's the problem? Many night clubs in Germany are barring the entry of Turks and Africans because of situations of harassment and rapes. Austria has done it since the 90s.

What people consider fun these days is the precisely the problem. It's telling that you even have to euphemize when you know good and well what their "fun" is just by calling it such and being very vague about it.


Again, to be clear, I'm not blaming these women for being raped. But rapes are a symptom of the West's overall larger problems that people on this board of all places, strangely enough, won't acknowledge.

I think Liffrea has summed up my thoughts on the matter quite well.

And I was "young" once. I know what "going out" and "having fun" is all about. You make it sound innocent when much of it is very serious.

[Debaser11]

Well, there are nightclubs and there are nightclubs. It's like blaming a fast car for a speeding ticket. It's not the car, but the driver ...

To an extent. But your analogy is a bit shaky. Driving in and of itself does not have a culture that has laxed virtues and values attached to it. It is possible to have a driving culture that is healthy. Nightclubs almost inherently promote decadence. They are indeed the epitomy of the slippery slope (which is an argument I don't often resort to).

The wild decadence that occurs in most nightclubs is no accident.

[Brynhild]

If you’ve ever been out in England on a Friday or Saturday night you will find what an unedifying spectacle it often is. “Having a good time” involves being so shit faced you cannot stand, vomiting in the street, if you’re lucky ending up in some strangers bed, and the women are as bad as the men.

Thank you but I had been around that scene myself before you were even born. Sounds to me like not much has changed. As bad as that all is, not everybody goes out of their way to have such a good time, and not everybody deserves to be lumped in that basket either.


Obviously nobody asks to be raped but nobody asks to be mugged either, yet if you broadcast expensive jewellery in the less savoury parts of town or waved twenties around……you would have to be a bit dumb if you wondered why you were face down outside the pub with a cracked skull and short of cash and your jewellery. Why make it easier? Watch any news item in England about binge drinking it often shows girls vomiting in the streets wearing less than they would in the bedroom. If you’re that pissed you can’t stand and have no idea where you are or what you’re doing you might as well have a neon light on top of your head with rape/mug/kick fuck out of me flashing on it.

Of course it pays to be smart when you go out. I have teenage children whom I impart that sort of advice on. My son had his drink spiked only the other day at a festival. He made the mistake of accepting somebody else's drink.Lucky for him he had good friends watching his back. He will learn from that experience. Some people still need to learn about those sort of things for themselves to determine what constitutes good and decadent behaviour. Most people would think twice about writing themselves off after the first time.


Criminals are opportunists, give them the opportunity and they will take it.

Criminals is a broad term. That's for another subject entirely, and nobody is immune to any type of opportunity which might fall into the category of criminal behaviour.

[Debaser11]

^Learn what outliers are.

Would you rather live in a society that enables drunks, rapists, and decadence or one that doesn't?

[Brynhild]

^Learn what outliers are.

Would you rather live in a society that enables drunks, rapists, and decadence or one that doesn't?

To be honest, I would rather live in the real world than wear rose coloured glasses and pretend that such people didn't exist.

Edit: To add onto that, it would including know exactly who the types of people are that exist so that I may avoid them at the very least.

[Debaser11]

To be honest, I would rather live in the real world than wear rose coloured glasses and pretend that such people didn't exist.

Edit: To add onto that, it would including know exactly who the types of people are that exist so that I may avoid them at the very least.

I do live in the real world. You're the one who wants the fantasy one. In the real world where I live there are creeps who prey on women who dress loosely and go out and drink.

I'm not saying that any of this to excuse the behavior of these animals. But I acknowledge that in the real world, these animals exist.

I also know that nightclubs and bars promote degeneracy just as surely as a child playing with matches on a daily basis will eventually get burned.

What world do you live in?

What you refuse to acknowledge is that the cultural norms of a society do enable certain types of behavior to become more pervasive.

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Brynhild
As bad as that all is, not everybody goes out of their way to have such a good time, and not everybody deserves to be lumped in that basket either.

I would imagine nobody goes out to be raped or mugged, nor does being raped or mugged excuse the rapist or mugger, that there is opportunity doesn’t mean there is license. But that there is opportunity should make the wise realise there are those who will act on it. Leaving yourself unable to control yourself in a crowd of people isn’t a good situation to be in, some people will take advantage.


Most people would think twice about writing themselves off after the first time.

What the first time being raped?

I’ve done stupid things when I’ve been drunk, such as walked home from town for four miles through the rougher areas of Derby with a wallet full of cash. I’ve broken a mates rib in a punch up over a pound in a chippy, lost half a tooth in another fight over a bird.

You live and learn.

However I would imagine being sexually assaulted is worse, I’ve been involved in two muggings myself (victim of not perpetrator, in both cases I won the argument over possession of my wallet and bag), yet, with hind sight, there were obvious things I could have done not to put myself in a situation where I would have to use violence just to go home on the bus, such as avoiding a mugging hot spot that had been in the papers all week….

Obviously some “first time” experiences (such as being raped) are more devastating.


Criminals is a broad term.

Criminal i.e. someone who breaks the law.


That's for another subject entirely, and nobody is immune to any type of opportunity which might fall into the category of criminal behaviour.

Well obviously nobody is immune, I keep myself in shape, doesn’t mean I won’t drop dead of a stroke or a heart attack or develop cancer. Yet, on average, my chances are lower than someone who is obese and stuffs their face with food all day.

There are preventative measures you can take to help yourself, but no guarantees.

[themandylion]

I'm not blaming the victim by any means, but if Norwegian women consistently said No! or better, Hell no!, to all foreigners when asked for a date or more, it might be pretty clear to the invaders that "no" doesn't actually mean "maybe."

"We" have allowed all this to happen.

[Brynhild]

I do live in the real world. You're the one who wants the fantasy one. In the real world where I live there are creeps who prey on women who dress loosely and go out and drink.

Why is it that you always have to presume you know better about everything than I do? My previous statement points out that I'm very much aware of what the real world is about.


I'm not saying that any of this to excuse the behavior of these animals. But I acknowledge that in the real world, these animals exist.

You fail to notice that I did exactly the same thing. Your statement below suggests that I should live in ignorant bliss, not bothering to acknowledge that such people exist.


Would you rather live in a society that enables drunks, rapists, and decadence or one that doesn't?

Since I really don't see how I can live in a world where those sort of people don't exist, it makes perfect sense for me to know what sort of people I'm up against every time I leave my home.


I also know that nightclubs and bars promote degeneracy just as surely as a child playing with matches on a daily basis will eventually get burned.

That's a generalisation and again you have to drag another baseless argument as a springboard for your moral self-righteousness.


What world do you live in?

A world in which people who I know have killed and been killed. A world in which I had been raped (and by a boyfriend) and the devastating aftermath which followed. It is this world in which I'm experienced enough to teach my kids how to look after themselves.

I also live in a world where if I choose to go to a club with friends and enjoy myself without any fear of reprisal, then I will. I refuse to live in some sort of paranoid bubble and wonder what trouble's going to lie around the next corner. I may as well not leave home if that's the case.


What you refuse to acknowledge is that the cultural norms of a society do enable certain types of behavior to become more pervasive.

Don't you dare, ever, fucking tell me what you presume to know about me and how I perceive the world in which I live! You're dead wrong on every count. Frankly, my patience has worn thin with you and it has taken this long for me to finally say I've had enough of your know-it-all snipings, transparent attempts to drag me into an argument and your overall petulant behaviour - all of this in your pathetic efforts to make yourself look better than everyone else!

I'm no longer 27 years old, by the way, and you've got an awful lot of growing up to do!

[Brynhild]

I would imagine nobody goes out to be raped or mugged, nor does being raped or mugged excuse the rapist or mugger, that there is opportunity doesn’t mean there is license. But that there is opportunity should make the wise realise there are those who will act on it. Leaving yourself unable to control yourself in a crowd of people isn’t a good situation to be in, some people will take advantage.

I believe I've already pointed out (albeit perhaps in an indirect fashion) that people will wise up after these sort of incidents befall them.


What the first time being raped?

Don't even attempt to misquote me here, as that wasn't what I was talking about at all. I was talking about mistakes being made in general and how you learn from them.


I’ve done stupid things when I’ve been drunk, such as walked home from town for four miles through the rougher areas of Derby with a wallet full of cash. I’ve broken a mates rib in a punch up over a pound in a chippy, lost half a tooth in another fight over a bird.

As have I. I grew up knowing plenty of shady characters and learned how to watch my back.


You live and learn.

Aye, you do.


However I would imagine being sexually assaulted is worse, I’ve been involved in two muggings myself (victim of not perpetrator, in both cases I won the argument over possession of my wallet and bag), yet, with hind sight, there were obvious things I could have done not to put myself in a situation where I would have to use violence just to go home on the bus, such as avoiding a mugging hot spot that had been in the papers all week….

Obviously some “first time” experiences (such as being raped) are more devastating.

Aye, it is a devastating experience, and one I will live with for the rest of my life. I don't mention this to gain sympathy, but it is to make it known that I have experienced first hand how rough life is.


Criminal i.e. someone who breaks the law.

Criminal activity isn't necessarily what you get caught for doing, which was where I was going with my remark but I didn't really want to elaborate on it and derail the thread. You've misread what I meant because of my not elaborating. Forgive me.


Well obviously nobody is immune, I keep myself in shape, doesn’t mean I won’t drop dead of a stroke or a heart attack or develop cancer. Yet, on average, my chances are lower than someone who is obese and stuffs their face with food all day.

There are preventative measures you can take to help yourself, but no guarantees.

We all risk something happening to us each time we step out of our front door. :)

[Groenewolf]

If I'm not mistaken, criminals are deported.

They barely are deported, in part to all kinds of Human Rights regulations. However if I would be in charge criminals such as these would be deported ...

... in a box.


Criminals are opportunists, give them the opportunity and they will take it.

And of course it goes without saying that girls must be learned common sense to help them not getting in such situations. It is better that it did not happen.

[Karl der Große]

They barely are deported, in part to all kinds of Human Rights regulations. However if I would be in charge criminals such as these would be deported ...

Well so the Merkel government has been doing fine on in Germany and deporting a lots of criminals, even to second-generation of Turks who were born here which has been the most surprising in this wave of deportations. http://www.thelocal.de/society/20091121-23423.html

I can not complain of...

Beggars are already being kicked out and less noise on than in the France.

[Eldritch]

At least ten women were attacked and molested by a gang of Somali men at Sofienberg park in Oslo on Saturday evening.


I have no interest in gloating over the tragedies that happen in other countries, or calling their inhabitants pussified Eurofags like some other I could point to, but still: this shit would NOT fly in Finland.

If ten women were gangraped by Africans in the same park on the same night, the shit would hit the fan here, big time.


If a white man had said this, feminists would make him a their number one target.

Are you saying white men currently aren't feminists' number one target? ;)

[Magister Eckhart]

So a bunch of sex-starved apes raped scantily-clad morally loose Norwegian women. This seems to me a natural course of events, I can't believe so many of you are surprised at the way the Somalians speak of rape and molestation. We invite Negroes into our homes, we adopt their way of living, and then we act surprised when they say we're inviting them to rape and murder us? How deluded of a society we have become!

The Negro is a naturally sex-driven creature; in Africa and America alike, their culture is almost completely defined by lust. In Europe, Negro culture has created a society of women painted up like harlots parading their bodies about like consumer goods and then being surprised when they get raped.

The Negroes are right - it is the contemporary Norwegian female culture that is to blame; they are wrong to assume that this is Western. It is almost exclusively because of Negro influence. Occidental women are far more modest historically than the contemporary whore culture. We bring this on ourselves by tolerating and even glorifying the Negro.

Until we restore a little modesty in our society, get women to stop dressing like whores and acting like sluts, and control the amount of lust in popular culture and society, this will continue to happen, and Europeans will remain at the very least partially to blame for it happening.

[Arrow Cross]

You let them in; you suffer the consequences.

Life might be cruel, but never unjust.

[la bombe]

At least ten women were attacked and molested by a gang of Somali men at Sofienberg park in Oslo on Saturday evening.


Fucking disgusting. What a lovely "cultural practice" to introduce to your host country. :puke:

[Dario Argento]

It's obvious negros can't contain their lust and rage in front of white women. It's obvious that when a negro finds a white woman with his big bulging negro eyes he just can't stop salivating.

Norwegian women don't deserve this. If this happened to the French then them Niggaroos would have the excuse to say the man enslaved them, but Norway took ABSOLUTELY no place in this!

Despite that the attitude of most Europeans today is wrong, I can't help but think it's unfair this is happening in Scandinavian countries who had no place in exploitation. Scandinavian countries have only been generous to these sub-humans yet they're no more than a textbook example of someone bitting the whole hand that feeds them.

Kick out these scum! I'm glad my country doesn't have niggaboons

[Debaser11]

Why is it that you always have to presume you know better about everything than I do? My previous statement points out that I'm very much aware of what the real world is about.

Because I disagree with you. And what you say doesn't make sense. You tell me that you don't want to live wearing rose-colored glasses yet you take issue with me prescribing the logical mode of behavior for acknowledging the real dangers that actually exist in the world.



You fail to notice that I did exactly the same thing. Your statement below suggests that I should live in ignorant bliss, not bothering to acknowledge that such people exist.

Well, when I asked you if you wanted to live in a society that had cultural norms that enabled drunks, rapists, and criminals, you responded with your "rose-colored" glasses comment. Do you not acknowledge that cultural norms that determine what is considered "fun" affect the chances of a young lady being raped? I don't excuse any animal who rapes a person. But again, I acknowledge that if you play with fire, you're going to get burned.

I don't see you acknowledging this truth at all. Instead, you pointed out the invaluable truism that we were all unware of that not everyone who goes out becomes so shitfaced that they're vomiting on themselves so therefore they can't all be "lumped" into the same "basket." Really? I had no idea. And here I was thinking that every person that went out was puking their guts out and staggering home. Thank you for your contribution.:rolleyes2:



Since I really don't see how I can live in a world where those sort of people don't exist, it makes perfect sense for me to know what sort of people I'm up against every time I leave my home.

The operative word there was "enables." Sure, these people exist. Most of their behavioral tendencies are grafted into their DNA. That doesn't mean that every society enables these same people in the same manner.

The fact of the matter is that our society hands out weak punishments, encourages dysgenic breeding, and encourages decadent and boorish behavior through the media.

If less people had this type of "fun," and were more thoughtful and constructive, there would be less opportunities for these parasites to pick at people.



That's a generalisation and again you have to drag another baseless argument as a springboard for your moral self-righteousness.

Of course it's a generalization. What's wrong with a generalization? You know what else is a generalization? It's colder on most days during the winter here. But not every day is actually cold. But knowing that it is generally more cold this time of year is useful information. The same can be said about knowing how one side of town is more dangerous than another. Distinguishing between the "good part" of town and the "bad part" of town is a generalization, too. You think you're clever pointing out that I'm generalizing yet you can't grasp that the existence of outliers doesn't invalidate a judgement about a general trend. Generalizations are a part of constructive reasoning; they do not invalidate a point but usually support one.

And moral self-righteousness? Can you just argue and pretend for one moment that you're not an insecure defensive drone? Where did I ever even imply that I lived up to any high moral standards? I know my shortcomings quite well. But having shortcomings doesn't keep me from acknowledging the general trend concerning what I see on places like 6th Street in Austin.

Do you think it's all a coincidence that some of the most rancorous forms of debauchery I have ever seen occur within bar districts? Is it a coincidence that when I go to a church I don't see such things? Or is that generalizing giving me a distorted view?



A world in which people who I know have killed and been killed. A world in which I had been raped (and by a boyfriend) and the devastating aftermath which followed. It is this world in which I'm experienced enough to teach my kids how to look after themselves.

Oh, and I'm the one being self-righteous? Okay. Only in your delusional mind is someone who makes an honest argument about the danger of bars and clubs self-righteous while the person who lays their sob story on a total stranger is arguing from the standpoint of reason and completely free of self-righteousness.


I also live in a world where if I choose to go to a club with friends and enjoy myself without any fear of reprisal, then I will.

Well, then you're a fool. Without fear of reprisal? The dangers enumerated in this thread exist whether you fear them or not. That's not to say you shouldn't go out. But not at least acknowledging or fearing the dangers that could present themselves to you in such a situation is childish.


I refuse to live in some sort of paranoid bubble and wonder what trouble's going to lie around the next corner. I may as well not leave home if that's the case.

Now you can learn what a false dichtomy is. No one is saying that your choice is between staying at home and living in a paranoid bubble or going out with your friends to the club. You don't flatter yourself too much here, either. There are many other worthwhile things a person can do for recreation and fulfillment outside of going to a club.



Don't you dare, ever, fucking tell me what you presume to know about me and how I perceive the world in which I live!

Ah, put a lid on it. I can make any evaluation about your reasoning on this thread that I want. Again, I'm the self-righteous one?


You're dead wrong on every count. Frankly, my patience has worn thin with you

:rolleyes2:


and it has taken this long for me to finally say I've had enough of your know-it-all snipings,

So when I state my view on a subject and support it I'm a know-it-all but when you talk down to people yourself and even curse at them, you're just good company?:rolleyes2:


transparent attempts to drag me into an argument and your overall petulant behaviour - all of this in your pathetic efforts to make yourself look better than everyone else!

In your case, it takes no effort at all.


I'm no longer 27 years old, by the way, and you've got an awful lot of growing up to do!

Ah, yes. Age before wisdom, no? Well you're proof that the latter doesn't have to come with the former.

[Godric]

It's jealousy, they expect Nordic women to be their slaves.

[Stars Down To Earth]

This is such typical negro behavior. Can't say I'm surprised.

[Cato]

This is such typical negro behavior. Can't say I'm surprised.

TNB!

[Peter]

This is a sign of things to come. You can't change Somalis attitude because of the structure of the negroid brain.

[Lasituacion]

I think it's stupid justyfing that girls provocate being raped. I've heard that crap in so many third world countries including mine lol but seriously i think is some phisological issue.

Seeing a girl in a mini skirt can cause you visual pleasure, however i think a mentally sane guy's head doesnt show up some wicked rape fantasies.

Well it's my opinion

byeeee

[poiuytrewq0987]

Immigrants are mere guests and the host should have every right to imprison the immigrant criminals then send them back to their hellhole afterwards. Would you let guests in your house continue to stay after they have raped your daughter? I think not...

[BeerBaron]

Immigrants are mere guests and the host should have every right to imprison the immigrant criminals then send them back to their hellhole afterwards. Would you let guests in your house continue to stay after they have raped your daughter? I think not...

No, you should impale them on poles and line the streets with them so the rest of them know whats gonna happen. sending them to a nice swedish or norwegian jail is a huge step up from what they are used to. Frankly i'm surprised no one has opened fire on these mongrels yet.

[Dombra]

Thinking it´s normal to rape after a few drinks.... (y)
Plox, move home. Im not stopping ya

[Blackout]

All rapists should be executed.

[sturmwalkure]

All rapists should be executed.

Yes, that they should be.

Also, deporting the Somalis would be a good idea.

[Cynric]

Fuck this shit pisses me off...
If I was there I would get a group of mates and beat the fuck out of them smolali cunts...

So what do the Norwegian men do? after something like this happens do they get revenge?

[finþaų]

Fuck this shit pisses me off...
If I was there I would get a group of mates and beat the fuck out of them smolali cunts...

So what do the Norwegian men do? after something like this happens do they get revenge?

Revenge won't facilitate getting them deported at all, rather the contrary.

[Cynric]

Well they should be made example of, then the rest of them would think twice before raping and then saying the locals deserve it. They shouldn't be deported-they should be killed!

[sturmwalkure]

Revenge won't facilitate getting them deported at all, rather the contrary.

If anything it would encourage more 'hate speech' legislation. It's best to cut off the head of the snake and that would be the Norwegian government which has been proficient in acting against the interests of the Norwegian people.

[Mary]

A lot of these cases are not really rapes but situations where native girls have consensual sex with Middle Eastern men and then turn around and call it rape to maintain social respectability.

[Graus]

Oh it is indeed and its also the fault of the Norwegian man. After all they allowed those savages into their country. You dont pet a dog with rabies and expect not to be biten.
Those negros dont give a fuck and why should they? Norwegian prisions are fucking luxury hotels compared with the places they came from. Even they are even send to prison that is, after all those poor underprivileged people deserve a second chance or a third, fourth etc for that matter.

[sturmwalkure]

Oh it is indeed and its also the fault of the Norwegian man. After all they allowed those savages into their country. You dont pet a dog with rabies and expect not to be biten.
Those negros dont give a fuck and why should they? Norwegian prisions are fucking luxury hotels compared with the places they came from. Even they are even send to prison that is, after all those poor underprivileged people deserve a second chance or a third, fourth etc for that matter.

Sadly, yes a prison in Norway is one hundred times better than any home the desert shit holes they came from in Darfur or Mogadishu. It's as much the fault as the naive Norwegians who accepted them and voted for parties that supported such immigration. Who can blame the parasitic immigrants for wanting to move to a free-for-all where the indigenous citizens foolishly accept them into the fold and pay for their existence and social programs which were meant to support these same hard-working natives and have worked very well for them for decades.

It's easy to want to be violent against these immigrants but we must act tactfully and plan carefully. Another vigilante attack like Breivik will only serve the criminal government and it's suppression of the Norwegian people even further. It's funny that the Socialist party, which in tradition supports the working class is as much as working against the Norwegian working class by bringing all these worthless immigrants who end up hurting the people they claim to represent the interests of. Yet, people still stupidly are cheering on their own destruction.

[Behemot]

I wonder,why there is no code that threats crimminal behaviour of immigrants in a manner like :
0-3 years resident -deportation for any offence more serious than a parking ticket
3-6 years resident-deport. for any offence more serious than smaller burglery
6-15 -more serious criminal behaviour

Acts like murder,attempt murder ,heavy burglery,rape,attempt of rape ....draws deportation,not only outside the country,but outside EU,with life long ban of repeated entrance.I strongly belive,this would sort things out

[HBoss]

It's perfectly normal and healthy for young women to get dolled up to go out, dance, have a few drinks... They aren't doing anything wrong. Muslim societies are unhealthy because they prohibit women from showing any part of their bodies and from having any contact with the opposite sex aside from their male relatives. Muslim immigrants come to Europe and encounter these healthy, normal women who they see as prostitutes because they are allowed to show their ankles and mingle freely with men. It's culture shock. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT MEANT TO LIVE AMONG US!

[Permafrost]

Oh it is indeed and its also the fault of the Norwegian man. After all they allowed those savages into their country. You dont pet a dog with rabies and expect not to be biten.
Those negros dont give a fuck and why should they? Norwegian prisions are fucking luxury hotels compared with the places they came from. Even they are even send to prison that is, after all those poor underprivileged people deserve a second chance or a third, fourth etc for that matter.

Well, with the average Norwegian prison looking like this

http://www.overseaspropertymall.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/peninsulahoteltokyojapan.jpg

They should make a new turistic slogan.

"Rape a local and then get to spend your evenings at a super luxurious hotel. Only in Norway."

[The Lawspeaker]

One should go mediaeval on such barbarians: first a damned good public flogging - one deliberately set up to humiliate him - and then two bullets in the nuts. Let him bleed to death and bury him inside the prison walls with his arse towards Mecca and a pig's carcass thrown into his grave.