The Celtic Balkans

[Guapo]

Gallic groups, originating from the various La Tène chiefdoms, began a south-eastern movement into the Balkan peninsula from the 4th century BCE. Although Celtic settlements were concentrated in the western half of the Carpathian basin, there were notable incursions, and settlements, within the Balkan peninsula itself.

From their new bases in northern Illyria and Pannonia, the Gallic invasions climaxed in the early 3rd century BCE, with the invasion of Greece. The 279 BCE invasion of Greece proper was preceded by a series of other military campaigns waged toward southern Balkans and against the Greek kingdom of Macedonia,

From the 4th century BCE, Celtic groups pushed into the Carpathian region and the Danube basin, coinciding with their movement into Italy. The Boii and Volcae were two large Celtic confederacies who generally cooperated in their campaigns. Splinter groups moved south via two major routes: one following the Danube river, another eastward from Italy. According to legend, 300,000 Celts moved into Illyria. By the 3rd century, the native inhabitants of Pannonia were almost completely Celticized. Thus it appears that the Celts had created a new homeland for themselves in Southeastern Europe.

the first Illyrian tribe to be defeated by the Celts was the Autariatae, who during the fourth century BCE had enjoyed a hegemony over much of the central Balkans, centred on the Morava valley.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Spedizioni_celtiche_in_Grecia_nei_Balcani_e_in_Ana tolia_%28III_secolo_a.C.%29.svg/800px-Spedizioni_celtiche_in_Grecia_nei_Balcani_e_in_Ana tolia_%28III_secolo_a.C.%29.svg.png

[lei.talk]

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spedizioni_celtiche_nei_Balcani

thank you for the url-link - interesting reading. :nod:


URL Hyperlinking (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/misc.php?do=bbcode#url)

[Daos]

No mention of this?


Burebista (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burebista) led a policy of conquest of new territories: in 60/59 BC, he attacked and vanquished the Celtic tribes of Boii and Taurisci, who dwelt along the Middle Danube and in what is now Slovakia. ... Strabo also mentions the expeditions against a group of Celts who lived among the Thracians and Illyrians (probably the Scordisci).

Hehehe.:dev2

[Wildland]

Gallic groups, originating from the various La Tène chiefdoms, began a south-eastern movement into the Balkan peninsula from the 4th century BCE. Although Celtic settlements were concentrated in the western half of the Carpathian basin, there were notable incursions, and settlements, within the Balkan peninsula itself.

From their new bases in northern Illyria and Pannonia, the Gallic invasions climaxed in the early 3rd century BCE, with the invasion of Greece. The 279 BCE invasion of Greece proper was preceded by a series of other military campaigns waged toward southern Balkans and against the Greek kingdom of Macedonia,

From the 4th century BCE, Celtic groups pushed into the Carpathian region and the Danube basin, coinciding with their movement into Italy. The Boii and Volcae were two large Celtic confederacies who generally cooperated in their campaigns. Splinter groups moved south via two major routes: one following the Danube river, another eastward from Italy. According to legend, 300,000 Celts moved into Illyria. By the 3rd century, the native inhabitants of Pannonia were almost completely Celticized. Thus it appears that the Celts had created a new homeland for themselves in Southeastern Europe.

the first Illyrian tribe to be defeated by the Celts was the Autariatae, who during the fourth century BCE had enjoyed a hegemony over much of the central Balkans, centred on the Morava valley.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Spedizioni_celtiche_in_Grecia_nei_Balcani_e_in_Ana tolia_%28III_secolo_a.C.%29.svg/800px-Spedizioni_celtiche_in_Grecia_nei_Balcani_e_in_Ana tolia_%28III_secolo_a.C.%29.svg.png

lol

I'm Macedonian ny haplogroup is R1B... My Y-DNA markers where shared with people predominately from Keltic areas as Scotland, Ireland, Spain...
So apparently the Kelts left their traces in the Balkans.

[Ushtari]

lol

I'm Macedonian ny haplogroup is R1B... My Y-DNA markers where shared with people predominately from Keltic areas as Scotland, Ireland, Spain...
So apparently the Kelts left their traces in the Balkans.
Nope, you are a Bulgarian living in denial.

[Guapo]

lol

I'm Macedonian ny haplogroup is R1B... My Y-DNA markers where shared with people predominately from Keltic areas as Scotland, Ireland, Spain...
So apparently the Kelts left their traces in the Balkans.

Not Kelts but probably from Roman legionaires

[safinator]

I think R1b is strongly connected with Keltic settlements in the Balkans.
R1b is rather uncommon in Balkan peninsula excluding some chunks.

[Wildland]

There is an area in Macedonia named Galičica: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gali%C4%8Dica
Celtic places are often named starting with Gal.

[Dilberth]

I think R1b is strongly connected with Keltic settlements in the Balkans.
R1b is rather uncommon in Balkan peninsula excluding some chunks.

It's very common in Northern part of Croatia,which is influenced by Noricum kningdom

http://www.norikum.eu/pic/Norikum1.gif

[Dacul]

Resemblances between slavic words (mainly south slavic) and celtic languages words:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13082475/CeltoSlavic-Similarities-Pavel-Serafimov
Some of the words resemblances seems forced but some are natural.
Alboz also seems pretty mixed with celts,they have like 20% R1B.
I do not know how much R1B ancient romans were bearing.
After how romanian women are looking a good percentage of them are of celtic descent.
I have a colleague from high school who looks almost exactly like that girl that Lumi got her picture in her profile,guess is Lumi's picture there.

[Guapo]

I think R1b is higher than what people think in the balkans in general, there needs to be mass studies of people, not just small samples.

[Kanuni]

R1b in Balkans is older than Western European ones,so there is no chance to be Celtic in origin.

It is the second biggest male lineage among Kosovo Albanians which peaks from 20-25%.

[Wildland]

R1b is regarded as Celtic. Pre-Celtic or Celtic although still from the same stock.
You are speaking of subclades here. And yes, R1 entered the Balkans in the Paleolithic era. Note in that time still R1.
Yet new subclades of R1b entered the Balkans too in modern time.

[Dacul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3AX_JSnico
Look at this montenegrin folk costumes,they look norman/celtic,these are not usual in Balkans.
Look also at this moment of the dance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3AX_JSnico#t=1m43s
This is celtic or norman,anyway,northern,is not characteristic to Balkans at all.
But this is even more awsome,an old traditional song from Montenegro:

Sa Rumije Vila zove, \ From Rumija the Vila is calling,
Sa Rumije Vila zove, \ From Rumija the Vila is calling,
gorskog zmaja u Komove, \ The mountain dragon from Komovi,
gorskog zmaja u Komove. \ The mountain dragon from Komovi.

Zmajeviti,zmajeviti, \ Dragonborn, dragonborn,
dođi kmeni zmajeviti, \ come to me, oh dragonborn,
ljepše biti,ljepše biti, \ it will be better, it will be better,
ođe će ti ljepše biti. \ here for you, it will be better.

Primorsko me sunce grije, \ The coastal sun is warming me,
Primorsko me sunce grije, \ The coastal sun is warming me,
a more mi lice mije, \ and the sea is caressing my cheek,
a more mi lice mije. \ and the sea is caressing my cheek.

U Komove,u Komove, \ In Komovi, in Komovi,
a ti zmaje u Komove, \ and you dragon, are in Komovi,
u vjetrove,u vjetrove, \ in the winds, in the winds,
u snjegove i smetove. ' in the ice and the snowdrifts.

Zmaj joj na to odgovori, \ The dragon answers her calls,
Zmaj joj na to odgovori, \ The dragon answers her calls,
Komovi su moji dvori, \ The Komovi mountains are my courts,
Komovi su moji dvori. ' The Komovi mountains are my courts.

Hladne zime,hladne zime, \ Cold winters, cold winters,
topla ljeta,hladne zime, \ warm summers, cold winters,
čeliči me,čeliči me, \ are hardening me, are hardening me,
oko milo čeliči me. ' my darling, they are hardening me.

Kad bih s Koma odletio, \ When I would fly away from the Komovi mountains,
Kad bih s Koma odletio, \ When I would fly away from the Komovi mountains,
ja Zmaj gorski ne bih bio, \ I wouldn't be the Dragon of the mountain,
ja Zmaj gorski ne bih bio. \ I wouldn't be the Dragon of the mountain,

Vila zove,Vila zove, \ The Vila is calling, the Villa is calling,
sa Rumije Vila zove, \ From Rumija the Vila is calling,
odletio,odletio, \ If I flew, if I flew,
ja Zmaj gorski ne bih bio. \ I wouldn't be the Dragon of the mountain.

"Typical" to Balkans!Lol.
And dragons have link with celts,which considers them some kind of positive thing.
http://www.kilts-n-stuff.com/celtic-history/celtic-dragons.html
Look what is told there:
But to the ancient Celt, the ley of the land meant how the magic or cosmic forces flowed through and affected the area, or how the area affected those forces. The Celts believed that dragons were creatures of the parallel world and their power and presence would affect the ley of the land. "The places associated with the dragon legend, the nerve centers of seasonal fertility, appear always to coincide with sites of ancient sanctity", Michell adds.
How is usually seen dragon in Balkans,as some evil presence (which logical is not seen like this,in the song cited above from Montenegro,since you do not call a negative presence at you):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zduha%C4%87
"n eastern, central, and southern Serbia, the defenders against bad weather were called the zmajevit men.[2][3] The adjective zmajevit is derived from the noun zmaj ("dragon"), and means "having a dragon's properties". In those areas, the dragon was imagined as a flying fiery power, a spiritual being benevolent towards the humans. Each dragon had his own territory, within which he dwelt by a forest spring or stream, or in the hollow trunk of a beech tree.[17] There are many toponyms with the root zmaj, for example Zmajevac, which is usually the name of a spring or a source.[14] The dragon took care that his territory received the right amount of rain at the right time, for good growth of the crops. His arch-enemy was the ala, a female demon whose main activity was to lead storm and hail clouds over fields to destroy crops. Whenever he noticed an ala approaching, the dragon would fly up into the clouds to fight against the demon, and kill or chase her away.[17]
"

[brunette]

Vima newspaper writes that the FYROM Prime Minister deliberately slowing finding a solution because there is reason for this policy - we have 133 countries have recognized under its constitutional name. I'd agree with that.

[Dacul]

A good cognate,linked to bagpipe,but not to celts from Great Britain,to those from Portugal:
bagpipe - in english - gajde in albanian - gajde in serbo-croatian and gaiida in bulgarian,gajta/gaita de fole in portughesse/spanish/galician.
So here a serbian singing serbian folk music at gajde:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ptwl9LUFrU
I know there are plenty of cognates between south slavic and celtic languages.
And here alboz with gajde:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQhKXYpgVd4&feature=related
Here another serb singing at bagpipe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5ZxkujCsKc&feature=related
And here some romanian traditional folk music at bagpipe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzJmzfOceJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pLOkIIFPec&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLF525940D73AB02A2

[rashka]

I always felt that there was a connection with the Celts and the Serbs. Dancing is also similar. It looks like the Celts had brought with them a style they had coming from Yugoslavia and from a bit more northwestwards - the heartland of the Celts.

Just some samples of similarities. Though there are more than this.

Gaulish/ Welsh/ Slavic

to be: Gaulish BETO/ Welsh BYDIO/ Slavic BITI, Srb Sl Cz O. Blg
hill: Gaulish BRIGA also hillfort/ Welsh BRIG/ Slavic BREG, Srb Sl Blg (Breg, Brdo Serbian)
whole: Gaulish CIALLOS/ Welsh HOLLOL/ Slavic ĈJAL, Blg, CEL sl, čIO,CEL CELA Srb
right: Gaulish DEX/ Welsh DEHAU/ Slavic DESEN, Blg Sl, DESNO Srb
dead: Gaulish MARVOS/ Welsh MARW/ Slavic MĂRTĂV, Blg, MRTAV,SMRT Srb
sky: Gaulish NEMO/ Welsh NEF/ Slavic NEBE, Sl Cz Blg, NEBO Srb
five: Gaulish PEMPE/ Welsh PUMP five/ slavic PENTĂ, O.Blg, PET Srb
hot: Gaulish VRITU / Welsh GWRES / Slavic VROĈ, VREL Sl, (VREO, VRUć, GREJE Srb)


Sharpener
Gaulish: PASTERNACES
Serbian: oštrač

Tribal names end often in CI: BELOVACI, VOLCI, CADURCI resembling Slavic local names

Gaulish nouns often end in O: DERVO tree similar to Serbian endings in O such as DRVO tree in Serbian.

Male names end often end in O: BORVO, SEGOMO, similar to Slavic BORKO, BANO, DARKO


Some Serbian Irish Dancers

uidX0pY9NoU

[Drawing-slim]

:D as i said earlier in a post, monday tusday wed serbs start up north slowly down to central europe then back to having delusions about illyrians on weekends:D
Eccordingly to the schedule i put up, nice rashka lol

[rashka]

:D as i said earlier in a post, monday tusday wed serbs start up north slowly down to central europe then back to having delusions about illyrians on weekends:D
Eccordingly to the schedule i put up, nice rashka lol

Moderator please delete this ^^ meaningless post ^^. It has no value to the topic at hand.

[Guapo]

:D as i said earlier in a post, monday tusday wed serbs start up north slowly down to central europe then back to having delusions about illyrians on weekends:D
Eccordingly to the schedule i put up, nice rashka lol

drawing live = dumb, learn how to spell before posting on an english forum, you just make yourself look like a real big idiot.

[Artek]

This map could be interesting, subclades of R1b.
http://www.tropie.tarnow.opoka.org.pl/images/r1b1b2mapa.png

It generally proves the point that R1b in south Balkans is mostly old and has almost nothing to do with celts.
Anyway, U152, S116 and M259(L21) clades are interesting and they may have been coorelated with Celtic tribes(more or less)

[Daco Celtic]

Please don't sleep on the Celts of Transylvania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts_in_Transylvania

[Daco Celtic]

Yup, Celtic Balkans! You heard that right. It happened folks!

[Dacul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3AX_JSnico
Look at this montenegrin folk costumes,they look norman/celtic,these are not usual in Balkans.
Look also at this moment of the dance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3AX_JSnico#t=1m43s
This is celtic or norman,anyway,northern,is not characteristic to Balkans at all.
But this is even more awsome,an old traditional song from Montenegro:

Sa Rumije Vila zove, \ From Rumija the Vila is calling,
Sa Rumije Vila zove, \ From Rumija the Vila is calling,
gorskog zmaja u Komove, \ The mountain dragon from Komovi,
gorskog zmaja u Komove. \ The mountain dragon from Komovi.

Zmajeviti,zmajeviti, \ Dragonborn, dragonborn,
dođi kmeni zmajeviti, \ come to me, oh dragonborn,
ljepše biti,ljepše biti, \ it will be better, it will be better,
ođe će ti ljepše biti. \ here for you, it will be better.

Primorsko me sunce grije, \ The coastal sun is warming me,
Primorsko me sunce grije, \ The coastal sun is warming me,
a more mi lice mije, \ and the sea is caressing my cheek,
a more mi lice mije. \ and the sea is caressing my cheek.

U Komove,u Komove, \ In Komovi, in Komovi,
a ti zmaje u Komove, \ and you dragon, are in Komovi,
u vjetrove,u vjetrove, \ in the winds, in the winds,
u snjegove i smetove. ' in the ice and the snowdrifts.

Zmaj joj na to odgovori, \ The dragon answers her calls,
Zmaj joj na to odgovori, \ The dragon answers her calls,
Komovi su moji dvori, \ The Komovi mountains are my courts,
Komovi su moji dvori. ' The Komovi mountains are my courts.

Hladne zime,hladne zime, \ Cold winters, cold winters,
topla ljeta,hladne zime, \ warm summers, cold winters,
čeliči me,čeliči me, \ are hardening me, are hardening me,
oko milo čeliči me. ' my darling, they are hardening me.

Kad bih s Koma odletio, \ When I would fly away from the Komovi mountains,
Kad bih s Koma odletio, \ When I would fly away from the Komovi mountains,
ja Zmaj gorski ne bih bio, \ I wouldn't be the Dragon of the mountain,
ja Zmaj gorski ne bih bio. \ I wouldn't be the Dragon of the mountain,

Vila zove,Vila zove, \ The Vila is calling, the Villa is calling,
sa Rumije Vila zove, \ From Rumija the Vila is calling,
odletio,odletio, \ If I flew, if I flew,
ja Zmaj gorski ne bih bio. \ I wouldn't be the Dragon of the mountain.

"Typical" to Balkans!Lol.
And dragons have link with celts,which considers them some kind of positive thing.
http://www.kilts-n-stuff.com/celtic-history/celtic-dragons.html
Look what is told there:
But to the ancient Celt, the ley of the land meant how the magic or cosmic forces flowed through and affected the area, or how the area affected those forces. The Celts believed that dragons were creatures of the parallel world and their power and presence would affect the ley of the land. "The places associated with the dragon legend, the nerve centers of seasonal fertility, appear always to coincide with sites of ancient sanctity", Michell adds.
How is usually seen dragon in Balkans,as some evil presence (which logical is not seen like this,in the song cited above from Montenegro,since you do not call a negative presence at you):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zduha%C4%87
"n eastern, central, and southern Serbia, the defenders against bad weather were called the zmajevit men.[2][3] The adjective zmajevit is derived from the noun zmaj ("dragon"), and means "having a dragon's properties". In those areas, the dragon was imagined as a flying fiery power, a spiritual being benevolent towards the humans. Each dragon had his own territory, within which he dwelt by a forest spring or stream, or in the hollow trunk of a beech tree.[17] There are many toponyms with the root zmaj, for example Zmajevac, which is usually the name of a spring or a source.[14] The dragon took care that his territory received the right amount of rain at the right time, for good growth of the crops. His arch-enemy was the ala, a female demon whose main activity was to lead storm and hail clouds over fields to destroy crops. Whenever he noticed an ala approaching, the dragon would fly up into the clouds to fight against the demon, and kill or chase her away.[17]
"
Daco Celtic, this is the song which I linked wrong in the past:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wx4nckw73E
Dacians had as flag a dog with a body of a dragon, because some Kelts influence :) .
The tradition of someone dragonborn is only seen at some South Slavs, might be also in Romania.
A Dragonborn person is doing what is told above.
So happy that I found this song, need to post it also on Eupedia :) .

[Daco Celtic]

Celtae in the Balkans. It's a fact Jack.

Global25 Roman V5

CELTAE,56.2
GERMANI,13.8
THRACII/ILLYRII,11.2
SLAVOS,8.6
ARMENII,2.6
ALANI,2.4
ITALI,2.2
FENNI,1.4
HYPERBOREIS,1
SCYTHI,0.6

[Dacul]

Just for fun an obvious linguistic connection between the Celtic languages and the Romanian language:
In Romanian, when you call a dog, you are telling "cutzu , cutzu" .
In Celtic languages, cu was used to name a dog, or even a wolf:
http://www.davidjonfuller.com/2012/10/17/interview-dr-phillip-bernhardt-house-on-celtic-werewolves/
"One of the basic Old Irish words for canids is cú, which can mean “dog” or “wolf” equally; ".
:)
Daco-Celtic should be happy now.

[Daco Celtic]

Just for fun an obvious linguistic connection between the Celtic languages and the Romanian language:
In Romanian, when you call a dog, you are telling "cutzu , cutzu" .
In Celtic languages, cu was used to name a dog, or even a wolf:
http://www.davidjonfuller.com/2012/10/17/interview-dr-phillip-bernhardt-house-on-celtic-werewolves/
"One of the basic Old Irish words for canids is cú, which can mean “dog” or “wolf” equally; ".
:)
Daco-Celtic should be happy now.

It shows the Celtic language had a lot of influence and was spread throughout Europe

[Dacul]

Another thing:
It seems that some Celtic Tribes that migrated from Central Europe and Southern France came over the territory of Dacia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts_in_Transylvania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_tribes_in_Thrace_and_Dacia#Celtic_&_Germanic

The tradition for Transylvania people was to wear only a moustache not a full beard.
It seems it was the same tradition in Muntenia.
The custom of Dacians was to wear a full beard.