Is R1a really of Proto-Turkic origin, or no?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

According to some Turkic users, R1a originate directly from Proto-Turks, and they have of course arguments for it, mostly based on DNA analyses from Anatoliy Klyosov.

Is this pure reallity or some branches of R1a are not connected with Turks? Discuss.

[zarzian]

R1a is intrusive in Turkics, butthurt will make people claim extraordinary things.

[Ülev]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?181008-Was-Haplogroup-R-originally-mongoloid/page19

el bumpo

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Bump

[Kess]

As far as I know Q is the Proto-Turkic Haplogroup

[Vlatko Vukovic]

There are claims from Kipchak Hakan and my TA friend Sundqvist that R1a is proto Turkic.

[Massagetae]

Q + R1a + R1b = Turkic. N1b's like me joined in on the fun.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Question is: Is r1a come to Turks from Slavs or to Slavs from Turks

[Rethel]

Nope.

But could be, if someone would be able to prove,
that Turks (such named people) were originally IEs,
and later were altayaizied. It is possible, and there
are some traces which could support such claim, but
as general, as Turks = Altays - defnitly not. In such
extrem case, it would be nice, if Turkish nations, at
least R1 parts of it, would swich to IE tounge.

[de Burgh II]

All I can offer for you is this piece of advice; don't take anything you see on this site seriously. Half of it is mostly trolling material or biased, ethno-nationalist/-centric propaganda.

[Aenar]

R1a-Z93 was patricipated in ethno-genesis of proto-Turks, but holders of R1a-Z93 which patricipated in ethno-genesis of proto-Turks were white caucasoid Scythians.

White Scythian men + mongoloid women = proto-Turks (caucasoid-mongoloid mixed race).

[Vlatko Vukovic]

There are some traces in ancient genetic who relate R1a with Turks, obviously.

But in today sense Slavs =/= Turks. Turks in reallity adopted Altaic culture.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

R1a-Z93 was patricipated in ethno-genesis of proto-Turks, but holders of R1a-Z93 which patricipated in ethno-genesis of proto-Turks were white caucasoid Scythians.

White Scythian men + mongoloid women = proto-Turks (caucasoid-mongoloid mixed race).

They also claim that R1a M458 is of Balkar (turkic) origin. And the turkic R1a is the ancestors of all subclades.

[Aenar]

There are some traces in ancient genetic who relate R1a with Turks, obviously.

But in today sense Slavs =/= Turks. Turks in reallity adopted Altaic culture.

Slavic branches of R1a are far away from Z-93.

Z-93 is originally Scythian marker, in scientific circles Z-93 is known as Indo-Iranian (Aryan) branch https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Indo-Iranian

[Rethel]

They also claim that R1a M458 is of Balkar (turkic) origin. And the turkic R1a is the ancestors of all subclades.

Nope.
M458 on Caucasus is remain of early IEs or Sarmato-Alans.
Look into my genetic thread, where I wrote about such possibility.
Bałkars are not original inhabitants of Caucasus and they surely did
not brought there this hg - if something then N, C, Q and similar.

[Aenar]

They also claim that R1a M458 is of Balkar (turkic) origin. And the turkic R1a is the ancestors of all subclades.

That is a Turkish propaganda, proto-Slavs were 100% caucasoid/white people, and proto-Turks were caucasoid-mongoloid muts.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Nope.
M458 on Caucasus is remain of early IEs or Sarmato-Alans.
Look into my genetic thread, where I wrote about such possibility.
Bałkars are not original inhabitants of Caucasus and they surely did
not brought there this hg - if something then N, C, Q and similar.

TurboTurks are idiots.

So how you can explain that M458 is common for Balkars?

[Rethel]

So how you can explain that M458 is common for Balkars?

I allready explained it.
It is local, from the times beofre Balkars came there.
These are territories of former Alania, so obviously
these are turkified Alanians or first IEs who lived there.

Btw, how do you explain hg I, J, T, R1b, E, L there?
Are they also natively Turkic? :picard1:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

That is a Turkish propaganda, proto-Slavs were 100% caucasoid/white people, and proto-Turks were caucasoid-mongoloid muts.

Nobody deny that proto-Slavs were white people. But from where actually comes ancestors of Slavs??

Are they from Kurgans or?

[Rethel]

Nobody deny that proto-Slavs were white people. But from where actually comes ancestors of Slavs??

Are they from Kurgans or?

From Cordeds.

[Aenar]

Nobody deny that proto-Slavs were white people. But from where actually comes ancestors of Slavs??

Proto-Slavs were Indoeuropeans originated from Yamna culture mixed with holders of I2-CTS10228.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I allready explained it.
It is local, from the times beofre Balkars came there.
These are territories of former Alania, so obviously
these are turkified Alanians or first IEs who lived there.

Btw, how do you explain hg I, J, T, R1b, E, L there?
Are they also natively Turkic? :picard1:

In reallity, I and R1b is not very common for Turks.

Just R1b is common for Bashkirs, and no one of other Turks are carriers of R1b.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

From Cordeds.

Let's hope your theory is true.

[Rethel]

In reallity, I and R1b is not very common for Turks.

Just R1b is common for Bashkirs, and no one of other Turks are carriers of R1b.

Among Bałkars R1a is not very common as it is only 21%. So, what the point?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Among Bałkars R1a is not very common as it is only 21%. So, what the point?

Really? I expect then answer from the Kipchak Hakan. That mean that he tried to spread lies?

[Rethel]

That mean that he tried to spread lies?

He is very well known for his fantasies...

[Ülev]

Let's hope your theory is true.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?225576-About-Arpads-couple-of-questions


He was probably R1a, the Turkic branch.

[Ülev]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?89241-Aryan-R1a-Turkic

[Proto-Shaman]

Scytho-Turkic Z2123 + Proto-Bulgar-Corded M458:

https://i.imgur.com/TKsfibn.jpg - https://i.imgur.com/nlEau6z.jpg

Why people always stuck into fantasy when there is reality, I remember another Polish guy, Artek, he got really traumatized by Turkic R1a, especially M458. He left TA. Sometimes a few sandnigger puppets crop up out of the surface, but after a short jack off they quickly disappear in their holes again.

[Ülev]

Scytho-Turkic Z2123 + Proto-Bulgar-Corded M458:

https://i.imgur.com/TKsfibn.jpg - https://i.imgur.com/nlEau6z.jpg

Why people always stuck into fantasy when there is reality, I remember another Polish guy, Artek, he got really traumatized by Turkic R1a, especially M458. He left TA. Sometimes a few sandnigger puppets crop up out of the surface, but after a short jack off they quickly disappear in their holes again.

on the other hand, this is in that nature - conquer new ethnicities, so now R1a is Aryan, Sarmatian, Scythian, Germanic and even Martians
but yeah, I don't know why they forgot about their glorious Turkic past :(

[Dibran]

According to some Turkic users, R1a originate directly from Proto-Turks, and they have of course arguments for it, mostly based on DNA analyses from Anatoliy Klyosov.

Is this pure reallity or some branches of R1a are not connected with Turks? Discuss.

It's basically as baseless as the notion Bosniensis has about I2-Din being Illyrian.

[Proto-Shaman]

on the other hand, this is in that nature - conquer new ethnicities, so now R1a is Aryan, Sarmatian, Scythian, Germanic and even Martians
but yeah, I don't know why they forgot about their glorious Turkic past :(

http://alterling.ucoz.de/_si/0/s08183770.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

http://alterling.ucoz.de/_si/0/s08183770.jpg

Even on this map, Indo-Europeans and Turkics are 2 different civilisations. It seems that proto-Turkic is not definitly R1a, but N1b. That is proto-Turkic haplogroup mainly.

EDIT: You really believe that Bulgars brought R1a-M458 in the territory of modern Poland ? :D :D

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?225576-About-Arpads-couple-of-questions

Which branch of R1a is Turkic?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Scytho-Turkic Z2123 + Proto-Bulgar-Corded M458:

https://i.imgur.com/TKsfibn.jpg - https://i.imgur.com/nlEau6z.jpg

Why people always stuck into fantasy when there is reality, I remember another Polish guy, Artek, he got really traumatized by Turkic R1a, especially M458. He left TA. Sometimes a few sandnigger puppets crop up out of the surface, but after a short jack off they quickly disappear in their holes again.

M458 is called Slavic oficcialy. And there is a reason for it. This is most common in Slavs, and only in Balkars (of Turkic people) and it is 13% LOL

[Vlatko Vukovic]

on the other hand, this is in that nature - conquer new ethnicities, so now R1a is Aryan, Sarmatian, Scythian, Germanic and even Martians
but yeah, I don't know why they forgot about their glorious Turkic past :(

Who forgot, LOL

In the time of spreading R1a Turks didn't exist (by this name). They're mentioned first by Chinese as "Turks" in 6th century.

[Proto-Shaman]

M458 is called Slavic oficcialy. And there is a reason for it. This is most common in Slavs, and only in Balkars (of Turkic people) and it is 13% LOL

Wrong:

"Некоторые родственные группы, которые считаются характерными для славян, обозначающиеся как R1a-M458, R1a-CTS1211 или I2a, могли к нам попасть уже в качестве тюрков. Об этом свидетельствует, хоть и не всегда многочисленное, присутствие этих групп у балкарцев, карачаевцев, ногайцев, крымских татар, башкир, литовских татар."

Google Translate: "Some related groups that are considered characteristic of the Slavs, denoted as R1a-M458, R1a-CTS1211 or I2a, could have got to us already as Turks. This is evidenced, although not always numerous, by the Balkars, Karachais, Nogais, Crimean Tatars, Bashkirs, and Lithuanian Tatars."

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Wrong:

"Некоторые родственные группы, которые считаются характерными для славян, обозначающиеся как R1a-M458, R1a-CTS1211 или I2a, могли к нам попасть уже в качестве тюрков. Об этом свидетельствует, хоть и не всегда многочисленное, присутствие этих групп у балкарцев, карачаевцев, ногайцев, крымских татар, башкир, литовских татар."

Google Translate: "Some related groups that are considered characteristic of the Slavs, denoted as R1a-M458, R1a-CTS1211 or I2a, could have got to us already as Turks. This is evidenced, although not always numerous, by the Balkars, Karachais, Nogais, Crimean Tatars, Bashkirs, and Lithuanian Tatars."

That is impossible that R1a-M458 is imported to Slavs by Turks. It is called Slavic with reason.

Also see the place of origin:

http://i68.tinypic.com/w844eu.jpg

Turks have to deal that R1a-M458 is of Slavic origin originally.

EDIT: All of these Turkics have less then 20% of R1a-M458 that mean that is imported by Slavs to Turks.

[Proto-Shaman]

That is impossible that R1a-M458 is imported to Slavs by Turks. It is called Slavic with reason.

Also see the place of origin:

http://i68.tinypic.com/w844eu.jpg

Turks have to deal that R1a-M458 is of Slavic origin originally.

EDIT: All of these Turkics have less then 20% of R1a-M458 that mean that is imported by Slavs to Turks.
% doesn't mean anything, but mutations do. Turkic mutations are older, hence ancestral to all Slavic M458.

[Ülev]

do not annoy R1ethel

[Proto-Shaman]

do not annoy R1ethel

all Heil Slavia :p

https://i.imgur.com/uTenxQt.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

% doesn't mean anything, but mutations do. Turkic mutations are older, hence ancestral to all Slavic M458.

Mutations in reallity don't mean "everything",

Only what is important is that R1a-M458 is a characteristic mutation for Slavic people. Turks can't claim this haplogroup as Turkic. That is science reallity.

Who mutated faster or slower is not very traced. Just assumptions.

[Proto-Shaman]

Mutations in reallity don't mean "everything",

Only what is important is that R1a-M458 is a characteristic mutation for Slavic people. Turks can't claim this haplogroup as Turkic. That is science reallity.

Who mutated faster or slower is not very traced. Just assumptions.

Here is some historical reality:

http://www.greatmilitarybattles.com/assets/images/Hunnic_Empire.png

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-M458.png

[Vlatko Vukovic]

all Heil Slavia :p

https://i.imgur.com/uTenxQt.jpg

These are some Slavicized Turks. Nothing weird about that.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Here is some historical reality:

http://www.greatmilitarybattles.com/assets/images/Hunnic_Empire.png

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-M458.png

Yeah. Attila soldiers raped them all. That is why are all Eastern Europe R1a.

Nice Turkish propaganda, but not believable.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Here is some historical reality:

http://www.greatmilitarybattles.com/assets/images/Hunnic_Empire.png

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-M458.png

http://i.radikal.com.tr/GaleriHaber/2013/02/02/fft22_mf1315600.Jpeg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxPPe0h4ZXG48hM9g0jQ9no7jv2flGv QZbYYDTN6YLu8CRuIRg2g

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0fHNajNNy6lZSHCnjtxugpS75hPJmK RpsTSDsxksjPY_mFy0P

Heil Turan. Very common Turkic phenotypes (these people are Turks by nationality).

I see "devshirme" in it. :cool:

[Proto-Shaman]

Yeah. Attila soldiers raped them all. That is why are all Eastern Europe R1a.

Nice Turkish propaganda, but not believable.

"Alternatively, an Asian source or a deeper Palaeolithic time depth for the occurrence of M17 has been suggested [19]. We hypothesize that it represents the East-West “Great Migration of the Nations” (culminating with the Hun invasion), which transferred lot of Altaic peoples to the West. It is known that in the 6th century a big group of Chachkent/Tashkent Bulgarians have been settled in the Rhodope Mountains; that many Central Asian peoples migrated together with *****uch’s incoming to the Balkan Peninsula; that the Bulgarian history is full with invasions of Pecheneges, Kumans and other Turkic speaking populations [20]. Thus the obtained R-M17 frequency in Bulgarians is an under-expected result."

Karachanak et al. 2009 (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Viola_Grugni/publication/265289655_Y-Chromosomal_haplogroups_in_Bulgarians/links/54b68b970cf2e68eb27e9d12/Y-Chromosomal-haplogroups-in-Bulgarians.pdf)

Turkish propaganda :lmao

[Proto-Shaman]

http://eurasia.travel/files/people_1024x681_sqx.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

"Alternatively, an Asian source or a deeper Palaeolithic time depth for the occurrence of M17 has been suggested [19]. We hypothesize that it represents the East-West “Great Migration of the Nations” (culminating with the Hun invasion), which transferred lot of Altaic peoples to the West. It is known that in the 6th century a big group of Chachkent/Tashkent Bulgarians have been settled in the Rhodope Mountains; that many Central Asian peoples migrated together with *****uch’s incoming to the Balkan Peninsula; that the Bulgarian history is full with invasions of Pecheneges, Kumans and other Turkic speaking populations [20]. Thus the obtained R-M17 frequency in Bulgarians is an under-expected result."

Karachanak et al. 2009 (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Viola_Grugni/publication/265289655_Y-Chromosomal_haplogroups_in_Bulgarians/links/54b68b970cf2e68eb27e9d12/Y-Chromosomal-haplogroups-in-Bulgarians.pdf)

Turkish propaganda :lmao

"R-M458 is a mainly Slavic SNP, characterized by its own mutation, and was first called cluster N. Underhill et al. (2009) found it to be present in modern European populations roughly between the Rhine catchment and the Ural Mountains and traced it to "a founder effect that [...] falls into the early Holocene period, 7.9±2.6 KYA."[52] M458 was found in one skeleton from a 14th-century grave field in Usedom, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany.[53] The paper by Underhill et al. (2009) also reports a surprisingly high frequency of M458 in some Northern Caucasian populations (for example 27.5% among Karachays and 23.5% among Balkars, 7.8% among Karanogays and 3.4% among Abazas)."

That is the reallity. And the Turks have nothing to do with it.

Different type of religion (Tengri and Paganism), language (Slavic and other Turkic are different like the sky and the ground), different toponyms, hidronyms indicate the very different origin of Slavs and Turks.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

http://eurasia.travel/files/people_1024x681_sqx.jpg

What about this man?

[Proto-Shaman]

"R-M458 is a mainly Slavic SNP, characterized by its own mutation, and was first called cluster N. Underhill et al. (2009) found it to be present in modern European populations roughly between the Rhine catchment and the Ural Mountains and traced it to "a founder effect that [...] falls into the early Holocene period, 7.9±2.6 KYA."[52] M458 was found in one skeleton from a 14th-century grave field in Usedom, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany.[53] The paper by Underhill et al. (2009) also reports a surprisingly high frequency of M458 in some Northern Caucasian populations (for example 27.5% among Karachays and 23.5% among Balkars, 7.8% among Karanogays and 3.4% among Abazas)."

That is the reallity. And the Turks have nothing to do with it.

Different type of religion (Tengri and Paganism), language (Slavic and other Turkic are different like the sky and the ground), different toponyms, hidronyms indicate the very different origin of Slavs and Turks.
WIKIPEDIA

:picard2: :picard2: :picard2:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

WIKIPEDIA

:picard2: :picard2: :picard2:

That is reallity.

Wikipedia is more believable then somebody like Klyosov.

[Proto-Shaman]

What about this man?
a descendant of R1a rapers. They love European pussies.

[Proto-Shaman]

That is reallity.

Wikipedia is more believable then somebody like Klyosov.

no, and wikipedia stated nothing, btw. sorry.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

a descendant of R1a rapers. They love European pussies.

He raped who :D ?

He is descedant actually of Scythian (Iranian, indo-european) paternal line R1a and 30 generations of Mongol mother admixture. That is Turkic reallity.

Of all Turkics countries, only in Kyrgyzstan is dominant R1a, in all other Turkic countries it seems that Turks were good sexual victims of Mongols. Your Kipchak Kazakhstan brothers are well raped by Mongols.

C haplogroup (Kazakhstan) is watching you.

https://i0.wp.com/theinsatiabletraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/scenes-from-a-kazakh-wedding-in-mongolia-sportnoy_mongolia2016-7337.jpg?fit=1200%2C800&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200

[Vlatko Vukovic]

a descendant of R1a rapers. They love European pussies.

Reallity is that Europeans are dominating on the your continent.

Reallity is that all Turks from Central Asia are speaking today European language (Russian).

So your theory have no sense today. Maybe in Atilla's time :D

[Proto-Shaman]

butthurt Jugoslav tries to whitewash his Turkic R1a heritage. discussion is over my friend.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

butthurt Jugoslav tries to whitewash his Turkic R1a heritage. discussion is over my friend.

Sorry but my Yugoslav country is 55% of I2. Our paternal ancestors are first settlers to Europe. So you can spread that to someone like Poles. They are bassinet of R1a.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://dienekes.blogspot.ba/2013/11/ancient-dna-from-upper-paleolithic-lake.html

Mal'ta boy (proto-carrier of R) was more similar to modern Europeans then to Asiatics.

That is what makes you nervous.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Results of Mal'ta man:

Malta Boy in Dodecad V3 calculator = 84% Caucasoid:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 37.68
2 South_Asian 26.04
3 East_European 20.03
4 Northeast_Asian 15.53
5 Neo_African 0.38
6 Palaeo_African 0.34

Malta Boy in Gedrosia K3 calculator = 70% Caucasoid:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 69.88
2 E_Eurasian 30.12

Malta Boy in Eurogenes K15 calculator = 0% East Asian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Eastern_Euro 38.02
2 South_Asian 20.31
3 Amerindian 18.62
4 North_Sea 15.91
5 Baltic 6.54
6 Sub-Saharan 0.47
7 Oceanian 0.12

Malta Boy in Gedrosia K6 = 94% ANE, 2% East Asian, 2% WHG, 2% ASE:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 94.13
2 East_Asian 2.01
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 1.93
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.78
5 Sub_Saharan 0.09
6 Natufian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 AG2 6.76
2 AG3 6.76
3 MA1 6.76
=========
4 EHG 24.08
5 GujaratiB 62.91
6 Punjabi 63.18
7 CHG 64
8 GujaratiA 64.19
9 Kalash 64.27
10 Sindhi 64.28
11 Pathan 64.43
12 Kurd_SE 65.3
13 Burusho 65.56
14 Balochi 65.81
15 Steppe_EMBA 66.02
16 GujaratiC 66.15
17 Brahui 66.21
18 GujaratiD 66.47
19 Punjabi_PJL 67.62
20 Makrani 67.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.5% MA1 + 6.5% GoyetQ116 @ 1.92
2 93.5% AG2 + 6.5% GoyetQ116 @ 1.92
3 93.5% AG3 + 6.5% GoyetQ116 @ 1.92
4 93.4% AG2 + 6.6% Kharia @ 2.14
5 93.4% AG3 + 6.6% Kharia @ 2.14
6 93.4% MA1 + 6.6% Kharia @ 2.14
7 92% MA1 + 8% Bengali @ 2.54
8 92% AG2 + 8% Bengali @ 2.54
9 92% AG3 + 8% Bengali @ 2.54
10 92.8% AG2 + 7.2% Palliyar @ 2.55
11 92.8% AG3 + 7.2% Palliyar @ 2.55
12 92.8% MA1 + 7.2% Palliyar @ 2.55
13 93.1% AG2 + 6.9% Uzbek @ 2.57
14 93.1% AG3 + 6.9% Uzbek @ 2.57
15 93.1% MA1 + 6.9% Uzbek @ 2.57
16 92.1% AG2 + 7.9% Steppe_IA @ 2.58
17 92.1% AG3 + 7.9% Steppe_IA @ 2.58
18 92.1% MA1 + 7.9% Steppe_IA @ 2.58
19 93.2% AG2 + 6.8% Paniyas @ 2.64
20 93.2% AG3 + 6.8% Paniyas @ 2.64

Deal with it.

[Proto-Shaman]

Results of Mal'ta man:

Malta Boy in Dodecad V3 calculator = 84% Caucasoid:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 37.68
2 South_Asian 26.04
3 East_European 20.03
4 Northeast_Asian 15.53
5 Neo_African 0.38
6 Palaeo_African 0.34

Malta Boy in Gedrosia K3 calculator = 70% Caucasoid:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 69.88
2 E_Eurasian 30.12

Malta Boy in Eurogenes K15 calculator = 0% East Asian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Eastern_Euro 38.02
2 South_Asian 20.31
3 Amerindian 18.62
4 North_Sea 15.91
5 Baltic 6.54
6 Sub-Saharan 0.47
7 Oceanian 0.12

Malta Boy in Gedrosia K6 = 94% ANE, 2% East Asian, 2% WHG, 2% ASE:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 94.13
2 East_Asian 2.01
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 1.93
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.78
5 Sub_Saharan 0.09
6 Natufian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 AG2 6.76
2 AG3 6.76
3 MA1 6.76
=========
4 EHG 24.08
5 GujaratiB 62.91
6 Punjabi 63.18
7 CHG 64
8 GujaratiA 64.19
9 Kalash 64.27
10 Sindhi 64.28
11 Pathan 64.43
12 Kurd_SE 65.3
13 Burusho 65.56
14 Balochi 65.81
15 Steppe_EMBA 66.02
16 GujaratiC 66.15
17 Brahui 66.21
18 GujaratiD 66.47
19 Punjabi_PJL 67.62
20 Makrani 67.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.5% MA1 + 6.5% GoyetQ116 @ 1.92
2 93.5% AG2 + 6.5% GoyetQ116 @ 1.92
3 93.5% AG3 + 6.5% GoyetQ116 @ 1.92
4 93.4% AG2 + 6.6% Kharia @ 2.14
5 93.4% AG3 + 6.6% Kharia @ 2.14
6 93.4% MA1 + 6.6% Kharia @ 2.14
7 92% MA1 + 8% Bengali @ 2.54
8 92% AG2 + 8% Bengali @ 2.54
9 92% AG3 + 8% Bengali @ 2.54
10 92.8% AG2 + 7.2% Palliyar @ 2.55
11 92.8% AG3 + 7.2% Palliyar @ 2.55
12 92.8% MA1 + 7.2% Palliyar @ 2.55
13 93.1% AG2 + 6.9% Uzbek @ 2.57
14 93.1% AG3 + 6.9% Uzbek @ 2.57
15 93.1% MA1 + 6.9% Uzbek @ 2.57
16 92.1% AG2 + 7.9% Steppe_IA @ 2.58
17 92.1% AG3 + 7.9% Steppe_IA @ 2.58
18 92.1% MA1 + 7.9% Steppe_IA @ 2.58
19 93.2% AG2 + 6.8% Paniyas @ 2.64
20 93.2% AG3 + 6.8% Paniyas @ 2.64

Deal with it.

MONGOLOID

[Proto-Shaman]

Sorry but my Yugoslav country is 55% of I2. Our paternal ancestors are first settlers to Europe. So you can spread that to someone like Poles. They are bassinet of R1a.

I2 Slavic. Sounds legit, I agree.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

MONGOLOID

Did you even read it? It could be most close to today Indian but never mongoloid.


I2 Slavic. Sounds legit, I agree.

So your theory is like Sundqvist?

"I2 was real Slavs, and R1a Turkic descedants are assimilated into them and took Slavic language and culture from them???"

LOL

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I2 Slavic. Sounds legit, I agree.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

By the way. there is a proof for my claims.

Bosnia 55% I2a, mostly in Europe.

[Proto-Shaman]

Did you even read it? It could be most close to today Indian but never mongoloid.
https://i.imgur.com/Br8OFAw.png

Being genetically so similar to Malta 24,000bc, another ANE Afontova Gora 17,000bc is like mongoloid. And Malta and Afontova Gora is genetically close to Han than to WHG group. (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?202378-The-oldest-known-White-person-lived-11-000-years-ago-in-Ukraine/page7&p=4223667#post4223667)

http://abload.de/img/a19cus.png

https://s31.postimg.org/5qn0sb09n/Capture2.png


So your theory is like Sundqvist?

"I2 was real Slavs, and R1a Turkic descedants are assimilated into them and took Slavic language and culture from them???"

LOL

Z282 Finno-Ugric, but the rest is legit.

[Aenar]

Etruscans were Turks, Sumerians were Turks, Hittities were Turks, Slavs were Turks, Alans were Turks, Aryans were Turks, Tocharians were Turks, Germanics were Turks, Celts were Turks, Vikings were Turks, Sarmatians were Turks, Scythians were Turks, Magyars and all Finno-Ugric people were Turks... whole world were Turks only Turkish people are not Turks, because they are Middle Eastern hook-nosed, dark-skinned, black/curly-haired Semitic-Anatolian muts.

https://s3.teutersmedia.net/resourced/r/?m=02&d=20160716&t=2&i=1145729513&r=LYNXNPEC6F0BK&w=1280

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://i.imgur.com/Br8OFAw.png

Being genetically so similar to Malta 24,000bc, another ANE Afontova Gora 17,000bc is like mongoloid. And Malta and Afontova Gora is genetically close to Han than to WHG group. (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?202378-The-oldest-known-White-person-lived-11-000-years-ago-in-Ukraine/page7&p=4223667#post4223667)

http://abload.de/img/a19cus.png

https://s31.postimg.org/5qn0sb09n/Capture2.png



Z282 Finno-Ugric, but the rest is legit.

This theory about I2 was carriers of proto-Slavic language is not believable for me.

How then is possible that I2 proto-Slavs assimilated all "R1a descedants of Turkics"?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Etruscans were Turks, Sumerians were Turks, Hittities were Turks, Slavs were Turks, Alans were Turks, Aryans were Turks, Tocharians were Turks, Germanics were Turks, Celts were Turks, Vikings were Turks, Sarmatians were Turks, Scythians were Turks, Magyars and all Finno-Ugric people were Turks... whole world were Turks only Turkish people are not Turks, because they are Middle Eastern hook-nosed, dark-skinned, black/curly-haired Semitic-Anatolian muts.

https://s3.teutersmedia.net/resourced/r/?m=02&d=20160716&t=2&i=1145729513&r=LYNXNPEC6F0BK&w=1280

Acutally he claims that I2 were proto-Slavs and they assimilate a thousends of R1a turkic descedants and imposed them Slavic language.

Which is = impossible.

EDIT: Is this your claim Kipchak Hakan?

[Aenar]

Turkic pride! :D

https://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20160716&t=2&i=1145729513&r=LYNXNPEC6F0BK&w=1280

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Turkic pride! :D

https://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20160716&t=2&i=1145729513&r=LYNXNPEC6F0BK&w=1280

noone of them looks Central Asian. even not Eurasian.

[Aenar]

Acutally he claims that I2 were proto-Slavs and they assimilate a thousends of R1a turkic descedants and imposed them Slavic language.

Which is = impossible.

EDIT: Is this your claim Kipchak Hakan?

He is Turkish panturanist idiot, Slavic branches R1a-M458/Z280 are unrelated with Indo-Iranian (Aryan) R1a-Z93.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

He is Turkish panturanist idiot, Slavic branches R1a-M458/Z280 are unrelated with Indo-Iranian (Aryan) R1a-Z93.

He related somehow M458 with the turkic Balkars.

[Aenar]

noone of them looks Central Asian. even not Eurasian.

Those are average Turkish people, they look Middle Eastern as fuck, except Erdogan which look southern Caucasian (he is Georgian-Jewish origin)

[Aenar]

He related somehow M458 with the turkic Balkars.

M458 is Russian sperm in Balkars, but M458 is not dominant among them around 20%.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

It is well known that Turks from Turkey are not very close to proto-Turks.

But he is not from Turkey. I imagine him like a real mongoloid Turk.

[Aenar]

It is well known that Turks from Turkey are not very close to proto-Turks.

But he is not from Turkey. I imagine him like a real mongoloid Turk.

Turkish people are genetically and by phenotypes almost not related with real Turkic people.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Turkish people are genetically and by phenotypes almost not related with real Turkic people.

But this Kipchak Hakan is not Turkish. I even think that he don't realize them as real Turks. Like Kyrgyz and Turkmens are.

[Aenar]

But this Kipchak Hakan is not Turkish. I even think that he don't realize them as real Turks. Like Kyrgyz and Turkmens are.

Is he central Asian Turk?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

His name says that he is.

[Aenar]

His name says that he is.

Kipchaks nation does not exist today, it's like you wrote Scythian, Visighot or Etruscan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks

[Proto-Shaman]

He is Turkish panturanist idiot, Slavic branches R1a-M458/Z280 are unrelated with Indo-Iranian (Aryan) R1a-Z93.

shut up sockpuppet

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Kipchaks nation does not exist today, it's like you wrote Scythian, Visighot or Etruscan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks

Kipchak nation never existed. Kipchaks are branch of Turks who include Kazakhs,Kyrgyz, uzbeks,etc..

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I think that Kipchak Hakan is butthurt becouse he dont have real Turkic ancestors like his brothers Kazaks have by haplogroup C.

R1a is intrusive into Turks. By Slavs and Indians. Russian sperm is very visible in Central Asia.

[Proto-Shaman]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/019c94d05fcf758f1b6ec0f643ed6819/tenor.gif?itemid=5364591

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/019c94d05fcf758f1b6ec0f643ed6819/tenor.gif?itemid=5364591

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Turkic

Eupedia is also laughing about Kipchak Hakan theories xD Yeah. Tirks brought it to us from Mongolia. Very possible theory.

[Proto-Shaman]

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Turkic

Eupedia is also laughing about Kipchak Hakan theories xD Yeah. Tirks brought it to us from Mongolia. Very possible theory.

:picard2::picard2::picard2:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

:picard2::picard2::picard2:

http://i64.tinypic.com/2lk6tev.png

Reallity of Turkics.

[Proto-Shaman]

http://i64.tinypic.com/2lk6tev.png

Reallity of Turkics.

:picard2::picard2::picard2:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

:picard2::picard2::picard2:

Your proof always is " :picard2: ". As is expected.

[Proto-Shaman]

Your proof always is " :picard2: ". As is expected.

nope :bored:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

nope :bored:

yeah

[Leto]

R1a is an Indo-European haplogroup. And of course West Eurasian.

[Ülev]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226047-Scientist-Anatole-Klyosov-destroyed-the-Pan-Turanist-myth

[Vlatko Vukovic]

R1a is an Indo-European haplogroup. And of course West Eurasian.

Sandniggers from Anatolia, and Mongols from Central Asia can cry now.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226047-Scientist-Anatole-Klyosov-destroyed-the-Pan-Turanist-myth