What is the origin of N1c in the Baltic States?

[Grab the Gauge]

You know, there were Indoeuropean migrations, do you?
And still there are some tribes with R1 even b as majority members?

This guy wasn't Indo-European. He was ALTAIC (Jurchen).

There is no way Indo European phenotype persisted to Wanyan Liang's time by assimilating with Altaics if they were Mongoloid.

Just face it, they were always there and Manchuria was always significantly Caucasoid. Even today people still have Caucasoid features there. In fact, the original Altaics may have been completely Caucasoid.

N1 = Caucasoid. You don't have a leg to stand on anymore.

[Grab the Gauge]

If they didn't they wouldn't have multiple mongoloid traits like median fold, broad skull (although proto-Alpines were Mesocephalic like Otzi).

Those aren't Mongoloid traits, idiot.








Pure Neanderthals? Not at all. Every modern source say they had elongated skull.

Yes they were pure Neanderthals, idiot. LOL. La Chapelle and La Ferrassie are pure, classic Neanderthals. Textbook examples, and Coon showed they are brachy.









Can't find ay source on this race, but even if it's true Seymino-Turbino Proto-Finnougrians were brachycephalic, of classic Mongoloid race (however it would be called in theapricitian), or more accurately some sort of proto-lappoid.

There is no source. Brachycephaly isn't diafnostically Mongoloid and N1 Mongoloids are dolicocephalic.


Even if it doesn't change anything because N1c Proto-Finnougrians were Mongoloid brachycephals. But he was more likely R1a.


Wrong. You should just be banned for your dishonorable refusal to back down and admit that you are wrong.

[Veslan]

Those aren't Mongoloid traits, idiot.
In fact they are.









Yes they were pure Neanderthals, idiot. LOL. La Chapelle and La Ferrassie are pure, classic Neanderthals. Textbook examples, and Coon showed they are brachy.
Even if they had wide skulls, they had also very long skulls, and modern brachycephals except Borreby have small skulls due to Alpine influence. Brachycephaly in Europe i most cases don't come from Neanderthals.










There is no source. Brachycephaly isn't diafnostically Mongoloid and N1 Mongoloids are dolicocephalic.
Good that you have admitted that N1 are Mongoloids. Now we can end the discussion. :) I wom, as you have said:


N1 Mongoloids

N1 Mongoloids

N1 Mongoloids

N1 Mongoloids

The end. I won.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

All Slavs are very clearly related. You can see it from the outside very easy.

i don't think so.

[Grab the Gauge]

In fact they are.

No, they are not.









Even if they had wide skulls, they had also very long skulls, and modern brachycephals except Borreby have small skulls due to Alpine influence. Brachycephaly in Europe i most cases don't come from Neanderthals.

No, the Neanderthal skulls are very short. The larger brow ridges of Neanderthals and other archaic humans inflate their skull length measurements. Eliminate the brow ridges, and suddenly Neanderthals have cranial indices above 80.


All brachycephaly comes from Neanderthals. Why are there few African brachycephals? Because they lack Neanderthal admixture.










Good that you have admitted that N1 are Mongoloids. Now we can end the discussion. :) I wom, as you have said:

Very immature. The more you say "I won", the more it becomes apparent that you feel like you lost.

Because you did lose. N1 = Caucasoid. :thumb001:

[Veslan]

Because you did lose. N1 = Caucasoid. :thumb001:
Wrong, you have already agreed that they are Mongoloid. Now you speak bullshit because agreeing with me would hurt your pride. :)

[Grab the Gauge]

Wrong, you have already agreed that they are Mongoloid. Now you speak bullshit because agreeing with me would hurt your pride. :)

No I didn't. How old are you? You are trying your damnedest to tarnish the good image of Poles. Are you even Polish? I suspect you are a non-Polish troll pretending to be Polish.

[Veslan]

No I didn't.

You did. Maybe unintentionally, but this is what happens when you try too hard to push your obvious bullshit and get lost in own argumentation. Now we can go back to the original topic:
What is the origin of N1c in the Baltic States?

[Harkonnen]

You did. Maybe unintentionally, but this is what happens when you try too hard to push your obvious bullshit and get lost in own argumentation. Now we can go back to the original topic:
What is the origin of N1c in the Baltic States?

I already told this N1c1 was brought to the Balts by Finnish Nordic guys who became the ruling class.

[Harkonnen]

GEDmatch kit M483824 - RISE598 Lithuania LBA [908-485 BC]

Eurogenes K36:

Kit Number: M483824 Elapsed Time: 4.13 seconds

Population
Central_Euro 15.76
East_African 0.50
East_Central_Euro 48.96
Eastern_Euro 18.24
Fennoscandian 4.02
North_Sea 8.20
Volga-Ural 2.17
West_Med 2.15

If compare to modern Balts (Lithuanian data below, for Latvians it is even higher differences):
Central_Euro is down by 8%
East_Central_Euro down by 14%
FennoScandian up by 13%
North Atlantic up by 6%

So, instead of Central and East-Central Europeanness, we got extra FennoScandian + some extra North Atlantic. After 500 BCE.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I already told this N1c1 was brought to the Balts by Finnish Nordic guys who became the ruling class.

they spoke germanic language and actually was germanicized. For example Rurik is born in Netherlands.

[Harkonnen]

they spoke germanic language and actually was germanicized. For example Rurik is born in Netherlands.

Intersdasting.

By the way did you already beat up some old granny today for a easy buck?

[Rethel]

They found no N1 in North China Neolithic. It was N4. N is divided into N1, N2, N3, N4 and N5. N1c1 can not be derived from N4.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_N1c_Y-DNA.shtml#history


Haplogroup N is a descendant of East Asian macro-haplogroup NO. It is believed to have originated in Indochina or southern China approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years ago.

Haplogroup N1* and N1c were both found at high frequency (26 out of 70 samples, or 37%) in Neolithic and Bronze Age remains (4500-700 BCE) from the West Liao River valley in Northeast China (Manchuria) by Yinqiu Cui et al. (2013). Among the Neolithic samples, haplogroup N1 made up two thirds of the samples from the Hongshan culture (4700-2900 BCE) and all the samples from the Xiaoheyan culture (3000-2200 BCE), hinting that N1 people played a major role in the diffusion of the Neolithic lifestyle around Northeast China, and probably also to Mongolia and Siberia.

Ye Zhang et al. 2016 found 100% of Y-DNA N out of 17 samples from the Xueshan culture (Jiangjialiang site) dating from 3600–2900 BCE, and among those 41% belonged to N1c1-Tat. It is therefore extremely likely that the N1c1 subclade found in Europe today has its roots in the Chinese Neolithic. It would have progressively spread across Siberia until north-eastern Europe,

[Harkonnen]

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_N1c_Y-DNA.shtml#history


Haplogroup N is a descendant of East Asian macro-haplogroup NO. It is believed to have originated in Indochina or southern China approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years ago.

Haplogroup N1* and N1c were both found at high frequency (26 out of 70 samples, or 37%) in Neolithic and Bronze Age remains (4500-700 BCE) from the West Liao River valley in Northeast China (Manchuria) by Yinqiu Cui et al. (2013). Among the Neolithic samples, haplogroup N1 made up two thirds of the samples from the Hongshan culture (4700-2900 BCE) and all the samples from the Xiaoheyan culture (3000-2200 BCE), hinting that N1 people played a major role in the diffusion of the Neolithic lifestyle around Northeast China, and probably also to Mongolia and Siberia.

Ye Zhang et al. 2016 found 100% of Y-DNA N out of 17 samples from the Xueshan culture (Jiangjialiang site) dating from 3600–2900 BCE, and among those 41% belonged to N1c1-Tat. It is therefore extremely likely that the N1c1 subclade found in Europe today has its roots in the Chinese Neolithic. It would have progressively spread across Siberia until north-eastern Europe,

NO originated in Europe as proved by the Oase man. The North Chinese neolithic guys were were not N1c1 but N4, completely different branch.

Eupedia crap is crap.

[Grab the Gauge]

You did. Maybe unintentionally, but this is what happens when you try too hard to push your obvious bullshit and get lost in own argumentation. Now we can go back to the original topic:
What is the origin of N1c in the Baltic States?

Rofl, no, you took a description ("N1 Mongoloid") of modern North EastEurasians and, like an 8 year old boy, started screaming "I won I won I won!!!". When in reality, you got pwned hard.


The original topic of youe troll thread has been definitively answered: N1 in the Baltic states has Caucasoid origins.

[Harkonnen]

There is no N4 in Europe. You have to be braindead beyond repair to not understand what this means.

[Leto]

Putin does not look Slavic. Medvedev is more Slavic then Putin.
In Russia he looks far more 'Slavic' than many Balkan Slavs.
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/692872132.jpg?w=748&h=540&crop=1

[Leto]

I think N1c is something proto-Uralic. Don't know. The Balts are barely East Asian, 1-2% at best, yet they have this N1c haplogroup in abundance. That remains a mystery to me.

[Jana]

In Russia he looks far more 'Slavic' than many Balkan Slavs.
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/692872132.jpg?w=748&h=540&crop=1

He is not Balkan Slav. He is from Sandzak, and these people are genetically Albanian.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

In Russia he looks far more 'Slavic' than many Balkan Slavs.
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/692872132.jpg?w=748&h=540&crop=1

This man is of Albanian origin.

[Leto]

He is not Balkan Slav. He is from Sandzak, and these people are genetically Albanian.
He is a Bosniak and they are a South Slavic people.
Anyway, fact is that many Bulgarians and Serbs look more like North Caucasians (who are considered 'black-assed' in Russia) than the stereotypical Slav. I'm not trolling, have nothing against them, just stating the fact.

[Jana]

He is a Bosniak and they are a South Slavic people.
Anyway, fact is that many Bulgarians and Serbs look more like North Caucasians (who are considered 'black-assed' in Russia) than the stereotypical Slav. I'm not trolling, have nothing against them, just stating the fact.

''Bosniaks'' from Sandzak are genetically not connected to Bosniaks from Bosnia. They have nothing to do with Bosnia.
These people are Albanian origin muslims who became slavicized in 20th century.

They live in area of Serbia and Montenegro. It Ok, but you probably don't know that.

[Leto]

''Bosniaks'' from Sandzak are genetically not connected to Bosniaks from Bosnia. They have nothing to do with Bosnia.
These people are Albanian origin muslims who became slavicized in 20th century.

They live in area of Serbia and Montenegro. It Ok, but you probably don't know that.
Alright, but he isn't the only Bosnian or Yugoslav that is darker than the average Russian.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

He is a Bosniak and they are a South Slavic people.
Anyway, fact is that many Bulgarians and Serbs look more like North Caucasians (who are considered 'black-assed' in Russia) than the stereotypical Slav. I'm not trolling, have nothing against them, just stating the fact.

Bulgarians have a different genetics from all other Slavs, while Serbs don't look like North Caucasians.

It depends of region which they come from.

For example, Serbs from Vojvodina and central part of Serbia look like:

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3112335.png

The player is born in northern part of Serbia (Sombor).

Btw. Sead Kolasinac is from Sandzak. And 90% of them are of Albanian origin, by DNA analyses.

[Leto]

Kolašinac was born in Karlsruhe, Baden-Württemberg, to Bosniak parents. His father, Faik, who works at a Mercedes-Benz factory, was born in Nikšić, Montenegro, to parents from Plav. The family moved to Čapljina, Bosnia and Herzegovina, in 1969, where Faik met his wife. Kolašinac and his family are practising Muslims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sead_Kola%C5%A1inac#Personal_life

[Jana]

Alright, but he isn't the only Bosnian or Yugoslav that is darker than the average Russian.

It is not disputable that Russians are fairer. But south slavs are very diverse. Here my friends, group pictures:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226268-Place-classify-my-friends!

This is how Croatian people look :)

[Leto]

Bulgarians have a different genetics from all other Slavs, while Serbs don't look like North Caucasians.

It depends of region which they come from.

For example, Serbs from Vojvodina and central part of Serbia look like:

The player is born in northern part of Serbia (Sombor).

Btw. Sead Kolasinac is from Sandzak. And 90% of them are of Albanian origin, by DNA analyses.
Obviosuly, Serbs are genetically very different from North Caucasians. N. Caucasians are less European than Sicilians. But in Russia people are not so acquainted with Balkan peoples, so dark-haired swarthy South Slavs could easily be seen as 'non-Slavs', whereas people like Putin are seen as 100% Russian.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sead_Kola%C5%A1inac#Personal_life

It's no point who is darker and lighter.

"Real white" (what is considerable in Western Europe) is result of mixing. That's why we have today reddish-white skin, and pinkish-white skin among Brits and some other Westerners.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Additive_color_mixing_simulated.png

Pure science

pinkish-white and reddish-white = mixing

[Leto]

It is not disputable that Russians are fairer. But south slavs are very diverse. Here my friends, group pictures:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226268-Place-classify-my-friends!

This is how Croatian people look :)
Quite a few have light eyes. They look more Central European to me. I guess Slovenes would be similar.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Obviosuly, Serbs are genetically very different from North Caucasians. N. Caucasians are less European than Sicilians. But in Russia people are not so acquainted with Balkan peoples, so dark-haired swarthy South Slavs could easily be seen as 'non-Slavs', whereas people like Putin are seen as 100% Russian.

I actually said that they are much more better examples of Slavic-looking in Russia, than is it Putin. That was my point.

[Leto]

It's no point who is darker and lighter.

"Real white" (what is considerable in Western Europe) is result of mixing. That's why we have today reddish-white skin, and pinkish-white skin among Brits and some other Westerners.

Pure science

pinkish-white and reddish-white = mixing
Mixing with what? Neolithic Farmers and WHGs?

[Magnolia]

Why are Poles so obsessed with Finnish people on this forum? I still don't get it.

[Pennywise]

Why are Poles so obsessed with Finnish people on this forum? I still don't get it.

I don't think anyone is "obsessed" with Finns.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Mixing with what? Neolithic Farmers and WHGs?

Actually it is unknown what early R1a and R1b look a like. The only mention of them, people imagine them as indo-europeans, something similar to today Northern Indians . But in reallity, it is unknown what was original R haplogroup.
So when they (R1a,R1b) came in Europe, they were already a lot admixed (also with asiatics as well) and that result of ancient mixture with asiatics are today pinkish-white skin, or reddish-white.
User "Sunqvist" educated me on this area, and that have some logic.

[Leto]

I don't understand the obsession with haplogroups in general. They are an interesting thing, but barely say anything about physical appearance. This guy might as well be R1a.
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/171031212513-sayfullo-saipov-2016-mug-shot-exlarge-169.jpg
Let's have him tested and if the result will be positive, transport him directly to Masovia! :lol:

[Magnolia]

I don't think anyone is "obsessed" with Finns.

you're wrong. There are plenty of threads like this one...
Read OP once again:

Wast it brought by:
1. Finnic slaves sold to the Baltic tribes by the Russian Slavs or Varangians?
2. Invading Finnic Livonians raping Baltic women?
3. Some unknown ancient Finnic immigration to this territory?
4. Or perhaps, the Balts are actually newcomers to the land (from Belarus?), and Finnic peoples genocided the most of native Cordeds like in Finland, just to get later assimilated by the Balts?

It is a pure provocation.

[Leto]

Actually it is unknown what early R1a and R1b look a like. The only mention of them, people imagine them as indo-europeans, something similar to today Northern Indians . But in reallity, it is unknown what was original R haplogroup.
So when they (R1a,R1b) came in Europe, they were already a lot admixed (also with asiatics as well) and that result of ancient mixture with asiatics are today pinkish-white skin, or reddish-white.
User "Sunqvist" educated me on this area, and that have some logic.
The Yamnaya were the Proto-IE. People from the Pontic-Caspian steppe.
And Western Europeans have virtually no 'Asiatic' admixture if you mean the Mongloid race like the Chinese, Japanese, Buryats, etc.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I don't understand the obsession with haplogroups in general. They are an interesting thing, but barely say anything about physical appearance. This guy might as well be R1a.
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/171031212513-sayfullo-saipov-2016-mug-shot-exlarge-169.jpg
Let's have him tested and if the result will be positive, transport him directly to Masovia! :lol:

he could be R1a, but just a directal mutation R1a-Z93. It's impossible for him that have mutation like Rethel have, for example.

[Pennywise]

you're wrong. There are plenty of threads like this one...
Read OP once again:


It is a pure provocation.

People provoke each others here all the time. Thread is clearly a retaliation. Don't get sentimental for one side only.

[Leto]

he could be R1a, but just a directal mutation R1a-Z93. It's impossible for him that have mutation like Rethel have, for example.
Anyway, the original R1a carriers were white. The Indo-Iranians in the Volga-Ural region were obviously white.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The Yamnaya were the Proto-IE. People from the Pontic-Caspian steppe.
And Western Europeans have virtually no 'Asiatic' admixture if you mean the Mongloid race like the Chinese, Japanese, Buryats, etc.

Don't forget about same origin of haplogroups Q and R (both descedants of ancient K).
That deserve special analyse.

[Magnolia]

People provoke each others here all the time. Thread is clearly a retaliation. Don't get sentimental for one side only.

I am objective. These Poles are definitely focused on Finns. No threads like this about Danes, Belgians, Austrians, Romanians, whatever.... only about Finns.

[Root]

Obviosuly, Serbs are genetically very different from North Caucasians. N. Caucasians are less European than Sicilians. But in Russia people are not so acquainted with Balkan peoples, so dark-haired swarthy South Slavs could easily be seen as 'non-Slavs', whereas people like Putin are seen as 100% Russian.





Absolutely, there's nothing in common with Balkan population or with any Euros..



Northcaucasians(Chechens, Ossetians, Awars in the pics) Mtebid race



http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p480112/128410921107006385.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8QQLpAy.jpg

https://s1.15min.lt/images/photos/2008/09/11/original/1221126218kadyrovreutersscanpix.jpg

http://cs10230.vkontakte.ru/u26050976/129727849/x_1a0ed7c0.jpg

https://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/files/83/SuanovRuslan.jpg

http://i056.radikal.ru/1104/b5/94feb792cfa5.jpg

http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/1104/ea/2b0f4b5fb1c6.jpg

http://i010.radikal.ru/1104/4a/7d3333fafcf1.jpg

http://s001.radikal.ru/i196/1104/e5/7749a0cd9b6c.jpg

http://s40.radikal.ru/i087/1104/2d/b89603432625.jpg

http://vasi.net/uploads/posts/sended/1336263772_x_4172f682.jpg

http://vasi.net/uploads/posts/sended/1336262261_x_387e0f31.jpg

http://k.foto.radikal.ru/0706/41/ace9f6362c5c.jpg

http://u.foto.radikal.ru/0704/d3/7f4b0d76494a.jpg

http://u.foto.radikal.ru/0704/8d/40fa87ca1ee0.jpg

http://s018.radikal.ru/i507/1306/35/706f2907220f.jpg

http://s020.radikal.ru/i700/1306/50/4fecce56caad.jpg

http://i079.radikal.ru/1306/b1/6a2a1bb7f1f2.jpg

http://s018.radikal.ru/i523/1306/a7/366ec9f85684.jpg

http://u.foto.radikal.ru/0704/60/8968c1354b24.jpg


I could continue posting many other pictures but these are enough for now

[Grab the Gauge]

Just LOL @ Vlatko Vukovic's babbling. Amazing how there are still people in Europe with IQ below 90.

[Leto]

Absolutely, there's nothing in common with Balkan population or with any Euros..



Northcaucasians(Chechens, Ossetians, Awars in the pics) Mtebid race



http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p480112/128410921107006385.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8QQLpAy.jpg

https://s1.15min.lt/images/photos/2008/09/11/original/1221126218kadyrovreutersscanpix.jpg

http://cs10230.vkontakte.ru/u26050976/129727849/x_1a0ed7c0.jpg

https://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/files/83/SuanovRuslan.jpg

http://i056.radikal.ru/1104/b5/94feb792cfa5.jpg

http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/1104/ea/2b0f4b5fb1c6.jpg

http://i010.radikal.ru/1104/4a/7d3333fafcf1.jpg

http://s001.radikal.ru/i196/1104/e5/7749a0cd9b6c.jpg

http://s40.radikal.ru/i087/1104/2d/b89603432625.jpg

http://vasi.net/uploads/posts/sended/1336263772_x_4172f682.jpg

http://vasi.net/uploads/posts/sended/1336262261_x_387e0f31.jpg

http://k.foto.radikal.ru/0706/41/ace9f6362c5c.jpg

http://u.foto.radikal.ru/0704/d3/7f4b0d76494a.jpg

http://u.foto.radikal.ru/0704/8d/40fa87ca1ee0.jpg

http://s018.radikal.ru/i507/1306/35/706f2907220f.jpg

http://s020.radikal.ru/i700/1306/50/4fecce56caad.jpg

http://i079.radikal.ru/1306/b1/6a2a1bb7f1f2.jpg

http://s018.radikal.ru/i523/1306/a7/366ec9f85684.jpg

http://u.foto.radikal.ru/0704/60/8968c1354b24.jpg


I could continue posting many other pictures but these are enough for now

You guys have a significant amount of NE admixture and you picked specifically the lightest types. I am not very surprised, 'cause I'm aware that all North Caucasians look Middle Eastern or 'black'.

[Root]

You guys have a significant amount of NE admixture and you picked specifically the lightest types.


what's NE admixture?






I am not very surprised, 'cause I'm aware that all North Caucasians look Middle Eastern or 'black'.


have you ever been to North Caucasus?

[Leto]

what's NE admixture?
North-Eastern European. Not recent, probably ancient.

have you ever been to North Caucasus?
Well, I don't wanna go there. Dangerous and full of Islamicists. But there's a lot of them in other parts of Russia, so I'm familiar to some extent.

[Root]

Well, I don't wanna go there. Dangerous and full of Islamicists. But there's a lot of them in other parts of Russia, so I'm familiar to some extent.





yup, I see you're familiar, also local people eat human alive.. seriously bud, danger is everywhere nowadays wherever you go you'll face an unknown consequence.. there are no safe places in the world unless you're able to protect yourself and family from psychopats despite their race and ethnic background..

if people in North Caucasus look Middle Easterners then you guys are Tataro-Mongols :thumb001:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Just LOL @ Vlatko Vukovic's babbling. Amazing how there are still people in Europe with IQ below 90.

Why do you still bother me?

[Rethel]

I am objective. These Poles are definitely focused on Finns. No threads like this about Danes, Belgians, Austrians, Romanians, whatever.... only about Finns.

Every thread about IEs is about Danes, Belgians, Austrains aso...
And this is NOT about Finns but Ugrofinians so logically Fins participate in it, but not only.
Read the title. If it is about someone peculiarly modern, then Baltic States... :picard2:

[Rethel]

User "Sunqvist" educated me on this area, and that have some logic.

:picard2:

Man, he is trolling, joking, and making fun... :picard1:



Why are Poles so obsessed with Finnish people on this forum? I still don't get it.

Becasue you are obbsessed more :p

[Rethel]

I don't understand the obsession with haplogroups in general. They are an interesting thing, but barely say anything about physical appearance. This guy might as well be R1a.

Becasue normal people are not obssed about physical appearance,
as you are, and if you think, that talking about genealogy is talking
about the physical appaerance, then you are deeply deluded... but
you will obviously not listen what is saying to you, as always... And
after some time, you again will show up with such brilliant idea about
other's statements, which only rised in your imagination.

[Rethel]

It is a pure provocation.

Agains Czechs. It was clever cripto-trolling of you :p


he could be R1a, but just a directal mutation R1a-Z93. It's impossible for him that have mutation like Rethel have, for example.

Actually, they have - Bałkaria is on Caucasus,
and there is one guy with mine/close mutation :)

This is why my clade had to be spread long before
Slavs, as it is almost paneuropean, but very small.


People provoke each others here all the time.

In such case, there would be no thread at all, as
every topic is a provocation to speak about it. So,
there is no point in being butthurted about provocation.

[Dr. Bambo]

Finns are Mongs and BaltoNiggers.

This is Timo Soini. Finn nationalist buahahhaha:)

He has typical nigger facial structure. Look at bulbous, extremaly wide nose. My God , what a fucking idiot:) Also distance between eyes is extremal.
His Mongoloidness is visible also in eyes, he has Mong fold!

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/82829000/jpg/_82829094_82829093.jpg
http://cdn3.spiegel.de/images/image-201886-galleryV9-dsnd-201886.jpg

[Dr. Bambo]

BaltoNigger aka Finn anthropologists falsified anthro surveys to prove they are narrow nosed. Bullhsit there are images which are at the top when you type "Finland people" in Google Images.

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/contentassets/eb0a41a1c88c490f8cf41151b8e6cc21/silipla-o-soini-wikimedia-ppntori-1.jpg?preset=article-image

There aren't Saami. They have Finnish national costumes. Look how many wide and flat faced and wide nosed Mongs among them:) With Mong eyefolds.

http://2zceuh3ie61239ilqkdsj7ng.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/finnish-people.jpg

http://fotostrasse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/IMG_3953.jpg

[Veslan]

you're wrong. There are plenty of threads like this one...
Read OP once again:


It is a pure provocation.

I wrote this thread in a way to make also Finnic suprematists reply to this thread, but my concern about N1c mysteriously appearing in Lithuania and Prussia is real. To not a long time ago I believed N1c was in Eastern Europe before R1a, but newest tests of Northeastern Corded Ware and Pit-Comb gave me a new picture of what actually might have happened. I still quite don't understand how did the Baltic states changed from being alike 100% R1 to about 30% N1c. and 30% R1a.

[Rethel]

I still quite don't understand how did the Baltic states changed from being alike 100% R1 to about 30% N1c. and 30% R1a.

Becasue people's descendants are not always in the same propotions.
Percentages of hgs were changing through centuries. I many times
allready explained how it happend that N and I1 in scandinawia is
so high, when it has only one bearer 3000 years ago. Founder effect,
wars and famines did their job. Imagine, that 1000 years ago in whole
Finland was only 20,000 people living in couple of places. Probably these
were Ugrofinians, as well as Germans and maybe some proto-Germans
living side by side earlier. And take unto account, that earlier this number
was smaller (sic!) as population usualy grow constantly (with exeptios).
During previous 2-3-4 thousands of years there were many hungers, wars
and deasises which killed couple of times large part of such small population.
This is a good ground for founder effect supported by bottlenecks.

And just for an example. In XVIII century wars in Finland killed 50% of population.
Logically, these were in huge majority men. Among them, majority were probably
the higher positioned men, like Swedes and other IEs, when low estate people, ie.
Ugrofinians who where in majority N, surrvived such events better. So, logically,
the first class had more remaining women, which for nessecity, married to these
second class surrvivers. If in XVII century Finns are described as having yet very
clear mongoloidic features, then in XIXth and XX they have not. Logically, such
event, as this from XVIIIth century, helped to transfer whitness to Finns, and
by ocassion, enlarged N and I lineages by the cost of R1. Similar role could play
plague which killed 15% in XIXth century. As more N Finns lived on the province,
so more of them surrvived, as Swedes lived in towns. Buch such events has place
many times during many millenias, and were more powerfull in small population of
couple of thousands of people.

I will explain it on my own example.
In XVth century Poles counted almost 4 mln people.
My ancestor was only one. Today in Poland is almost
40 millions people. In average, every Pole living then
should have 10 descendants now. Mine has 2500-4500.
It means, that my hg replaced 300-400 other lineages.
If you would count it as tribes or nations, it means,
that my folk totaly replced 300-400 others. And this
is the same with haplogroups. This is also, why such
N1's or I1's descendants are fully white, regardless,
they lived in Scandinavia, Baltic States or Finland.

Present day 10% R1 in Finalnd could be 100% 2000
years ago, and can be 80% after another 500 years
in the future. It depends, who and how will multiply.
Also can be, that white Finalnd after 500 years will
have 50% of E - what doesn;t mean, that Hamites
invade Finland 3000 years ago - does it?

This is also a reason why it it important to know
ancestors - to not allow strangers to replace you,
or to claim your forefathers and your own history.

[Grab the Gauge]

Becasue people's descendants are not always in the same propotions.
Percentages of hgs were changing through centuries. I many times
allready explained how it happend that N and I1 in scandinawia is
so high, when it has only one bearer 3000 years ago. Founder effect,
wars and famines did their job. Imagine, that 1000 years ago in whole
Finland was only 20,000 people living in couple of places. Probably these
were Ugrofinians, as well as Germans and maybe some proto-Germans
living side by side earlier. And take unto account, that earlier this number
was smaller (sic!) as population usualy grow constantly 9with exeptios).
During previous 2-3-4 thousands of years there were many hungers, wars
and deasises which killed couple of times large part of such small population.
This is a good ground for founder effect supported by bottlenecks.

And just for an example. In XVIII century wars in Finland likked 50% of population.
Logically, these were in huge majority men. Among them, majority were probably
the higher positioned men, like Swedes and other IEs, when low estate people, ie.
Ugrofinians who where in majority N, surrvived such events better. So, logically,
the first class had more remaining women, which for nessecity, married to these
cesond class surrviveals. If in XVII century Finns are descired as having yet very
clear mongoloidic features, then in XIXth and XX they have not. Logically, such
event, as this from XVIIIth century, helped to transfer whitness to Finns, and
by ocassion, enlarged N and I lineages by the cost of R1. Similar role could play
plague which killed 15% in XIXth century. As more N Finns lived on the province,
so more of them surrvived, as Swedes lived in towns. Buch such events has place
many times during many millenias, and were more powerfull in small population of
couple of thousands of people.

I will explain it on my example.
In XVth century Poles counted almost 4 mln people.
My ancestor was only one. Today in Poland is almost
40 million people. In average, every Pole living then
should have 10 descendants. Mine have 2500-4500.
It means, that my hg replaced 300-400 other lineages.
If you would count it as tribes or nations, it means,
that my folk totaly replced 300-400 others. And this
is the same with haplogroups. This is also, why such
N1's or I1's descendants are fully white, regardless,
they lived in Scandinavia, Baltic States or Finland.

Present day 10% R1 in Finalnd could be 100% 2000
years ago, and can be 80% after another 500 years
in the future. It depends, who and how will multiply.
Also can be, that white Finalnd after 500 years will
have 50% of E - what doesn;t mean, that Hamites
invade Finland 3000 years ago - does it?

This is also a reason why it it important to know
ancestors - to not allow strangers to replace you,
or to claim your forefathers and your own history.

There is no evidence for any of this ever happening in the fossil record in Finland, Lithuania, etc. In order for any of this to be taken seriously you must have physical evidence of it occuring based on archaeological digs. Then you can extrapolate a theory based on the evidence.


Of course, you will never find such evidence, because this never happened.
Oldest Finnougrian remains are Caucasoid and N1 is a Caucasoid haplogroup. :thumb001:

[Rethel]

There is no evidence for any of this ever happening in the fossil record in Finland, Lithuania, etc. In order for any of this to be taken seriously you must have physical evidence of it occuring based on archaeological digs. Then you can extrapolate a theory based on the evidence.


Of course, you will never find such evidence, because this never happened.
Oldest Finnougrian remains are Caucasoid and N1 is a Caucasoid haplogroup. :thumb001:

I do not like to put this guy, as he is an ugly pagan,
but here he is explaining the matter well, what was
in Finland in the past, and what are evidences...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jaeSHfNTuQ

[Harkonnen]

:picard2:

Man, he is trolling, joking, and making fun... :picard1:




Becasue you are obbsessed more :p

Slavic girls are obsessed on Finnish men because we lack all R1a1 ancestry which turns men into potato-looking potato-brains.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

:picard2:

Man, he is trolling, joking, and making fun... :picard1:




Becasue you are obbsessed more :p

I don't think that he is trolling, he takes it seriously.

[Ülev]

I don't think that he is trolling, he takes it seriously.

I knew Sundqvist, and yes, he is serious about IJ y-dna
but he lives in the heart of Rethelia, so has to be circumspect

[Rethel]

I don't think that he is trolling, he takes it seriously.

:coffee:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

:coffee:


I knew Sundqvist, and yes, he is serious about IJ y-dna
but he lives in the heart of Rethelia, so has to be circumspect

he is serious about it

[Dr. Bambo]

More Baltoniggers from Finland:)

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d757c0cb6c869271d8e8b2843514d32b
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/cf666bf6d2d441249cd36f509fc968ca/portrait-of-happy-middle-aged-married-couple-cxm54g.jpg
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2016/324x324/69658.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/2r5w4mp.jpg


Buahhahahahahahahahaha

http://www.shockmansion.com/wp-content/myimages/2017/02/maxresdefault3.jpg

[Ülev]

:coffee:

try lavazza rossa or lavazza oro, taste the best

[Rethel]

he is serious about it

:bored:

[Dr. Bambo]

Buahhahahahahahahahaha

http://www.shockmansion.com/wp-content/myimages/2017/02/maxresdefault3.jpg

Harkonnen it's you isn't it?

You can't find such face in Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Sweden, not even among Lapps. Only Finns look like that.

[Rethel]

he is serious about it

So maybe write to him.
Will see, what he will say today? :laugh:

[Ülev]

So maybe write to him.
Will see, what he will say today? :laugh:

IJ (y-dna) master race!

[Norka]

More Baltoniggers from Finland:)

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d757c0cb6c869271d8e8b2843514d32b
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/cf666bf6d2d441249cd36f509fc968ca/portrait-of-happy-middle-aged-married-couple-cxm54g.jpg
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2016/324x324/69658.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/2r5w4mp.jpg


Buahhahahahahahahahaha

http://www.shockmansion.com/wp-content/myimages/2017/02/maxresdefault3.jpg

Biggest troll bait out.

[Ülev]

el bumpo?

[Ülev]

Polish politician Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz, who served as the minister of interior from 2013-2014, was tested in GENOgraphic project (as mentioned in Newsweek Poland) and was found to belong to haplogroup N1c. His grandfather was Henryk Sienkiewicz, a journalist, novelist and Nobel Prize laureate. He is best remembered for his historical novels, especially for his internationally known best-seller Quo Vadis (1896), adapted as a film by Hollywood in 1951.
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_N1c_Y-DNA.shtml#famous_people

make Poland N1c again!

[Voskos]

Mangolia.

[Ülev]

Modern distribution of haplogroup N1a-TAT
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/haplogroup-n1a-tat.png

and other subclades
https://indo-european.eu/maps/haplogroup-n1a-tat/

[vbnetkhio]

frequnecy and diversity of N-M178 in Europe:
https://i.imgur.com/6bT5ciX.png

looking at this, N-M178 in Lithuania and Latvia expanded recently and could have come from the direction of Poland, Belarus or Estonia