Do Iberians score more British&Irish..or more French&German on 23andme?

[Iloko]

Why/ why not?

Please back up your reasoning with genetic and historical facts thnx...

[Petalpusher]

They usually score more British/Irish in my observations. These 23&me map tend to confirm it, like 1-5% Irish-Brit and <1% F&G in most regions

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_British_Irish.png

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_French_German.png

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Northwest_European.png

[Iloko]

They usually score more British/Irish in my observations. These 23&me map tend to confirm it, like 1-5% Irish-Brit and <1% F&G in most regions

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_British_Irish.png

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_French_German.png

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_Northwest_European.png
I've noticed and observed this as well..Iberians scoring more British&Irish rather than F&G. I'm kind of clueless as to why especially from a historical standpoint and considering that Spain seems geographically closer in proximity to France rather than the British Isles. :)

[Petalpusher]

I've noticed and observed this as well..Iberians scoring more British&Irish rather than F&G. I'm kind of clueless as to why especially from a historical standpoint considering that Spain seems geographically closer in proximity to France rather than the British Isles. :)

I don't find too surprising Celtics had a higher impact than Germanics, except Suebis in nortwest Iberia when it's probably an equal influence, maybe Vandals in the south.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Among the Portuguese it is definitely more British\Irish.

[Iloko]

I don't find too surprising Celtics had a higher impact than Germanics, except Suebis in nortwest Iberia when it's probably an equal influence, maybe Vandals in the south.
So the British Isles people are generally more 'Celtic' than the French&Germans?

[Tchek]

French & German peaks in the western alps (mostly Switzerland and around); it's not necesseraly German nor French. It's not surprising that Spaniards have little of it.

My take is that 23&me are anglos who wanted to use samples that are as much "continental European" as possible to contrast with British&Irish.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Portugal always had close ties with England. It is the oldest alliance between two sovereign states. We have had for at least eight centuries British presence in our territory, from aristocracy to military but I am unsure of the genetic impact left.

[Iloko]

Portugal always had close ties with England. It is the oldest alliance between two sovereign states. We have had for at least eight centuries British presence in our territory, from aristocracy to military but I am unsure of the genetic impact left.
That's very interesting the history and also if many Portuguese can even have actual British blood/ancestry! But phenotype-wise it's very easy for me to tell apart a Brit from an Iberian.

[Damião de Góis]

That's very interesting the history and also if many Portuguese can even have actual British blood/ancestry! But phenotype-wise it's very easy for me to tell apart a Brit from an Iberian.

These 23andme components are not ancestry.

[Iloko]

These 23andme components are not ancestry.
Yeah obviously not, I've even seen some Spaniards who've scored like 22% Sardinian on certain tests which is probably more Sardinian-LIKE rather than actual. Genes can be shared between the different Euro populations it's just that you shouldn't take the results too literally.

[albie]

I scored about 20% French & German + 5,8% Broadly Northwestern European and only 5% British:

https://you.23andme.com/published/reports/ddd1aa54c5b74d44/?share_id=525d3ee461854316

[alnortedelsur]

According to the last 23andme update I only score some French/German (5.4%) and zero British/Irish. I know I'm not full Iberian but I'm mostly Iberian.

Then, my Spanish mom (who is fully Iberian) scores much more French/German (15.8%) than British/Irish (only 1.6%).

[Grace O'Malley]

French & German has jumped significantly for a lot of people and British & Irish has gone down. Unless you are Irish (or some British populations) where most are now edging towards 100% British & Irish.

I'd presume in Spanish/Portuguese results French & German would have increased and the British & Irish would have decreased. 23andMe should really have a separate Basque category and Spanish/Portuguese category because it would give better results for the Spanish/Portuguese category. Ancestry have the Basques as a separate category.

[alnortedelsur]

French & German has jumped significantly for a lot of people and British & Irish has gone down. Unless you are Irish (or some British populations) where most are now edging towards 100% British & Irish.

I'd presume in Spanish/Portuguese results French & German would have increased and the British & Irish would have decreased. 23andMe should really have a separate Basque category and Spanish/Portuguese category because it would give better results for the Spanish/Portuguese category. Ancestry have the Basques as a separate category.

I guess that the fact that my mom is an eastern Spaniard (she is from Mallorca) also contributes in her (and by extension myself) scoring more French/German than British/Irish, though I'm not an expert. What do you think?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Western Iberians - Higher British/Irish

Eastern Iberians - Higher French/German

[Grace O'Malley]

Does anyone that has either French & German or British & Irish actually have any regions from these categories? I had 2.6% French & German and my daughter had 3.9% French & German but poof "gone in a puff of smoke". Luckily I've never taken it seriously. We now have trace Scandinavian for myself and trace Finnish for her. These compositions will change with updates and they just don't have enough specific areas and population panels to get people's Ancestry Compositions correct unless you are matched against a smaller area with more specific samples.

[Ruggery]

Does anyone that has either French & German or British & Irish actually have any regions from these categories? I had 2.6% French & German and my daughter had 3.9% French & German but poof "gone in a puff of smoke". Luckily I've never taken it seriously. We now have trace Scandinavian for myself and trace Finnish for her. These compositions will change with updates and they just don't have enough specific areas and population panels to get people's Ancestry Compositions correct unless you are matched against a smaller area with more specific samples.

Why you have the French/German component so low and the Scandinavian higher?

[Grace O'Malley]

Why you have the French/German component so low and the Scandinavian higher?

The British & Irish category on 23andMe is heavily skewed to Irish people. Fully Irish people on that get nearly all British & Irish in their results and basically not much else. They match the British & Irish panel so well because it is obviously Irish people that they centre this category on. An Irish person is going to match an Irish category very well. The French & German category is biased towards Swiss and Southern Germans so they are the population that will get the highest percentages of that. These results really just depend on how well you match their panels. The French & German category is spread out over too many different populations i.e. from Netherlands to Austria so a person from the Netherlands is not going to match that category well. To get better results they need to have much smaller categories.

These results don't tell you about ancient migrations or admixture. If they don't have a panel that matches your dna your AC will be split into different categories. This is why people can lose different categories and end up with ones they didn't have before. On Ancestry I'm now 100% Ireland and Scotland whereas before I have trace regions ranging from East European, European Jewish, Scandinavian etc. All gone now with the latest update on Ancestry.

[Ruggery]

The British & Irish category on 23andMe is heavily skewed to Irish people. Fully Irish people on that get nearly all British & Irish in their results and basically not much else. They match the British & Irish panel so well because it is obviously Irish people that they centre this category on. An Irish person is going to match an Irish category very well. The French & German category is biased towards Swiss and Southern Germans so they are the population that will get the highest percentages of that. These results really just depend on how well you match their panels. The French & German category is spread out over too many different populations i.e. from Netherlands to Austria so a person from the Netherlands is not going to match that category well. To get better results they need to have much smaller categories.

These results don't tell you about ancient migrations or admixture. If they don't have a panel that matches your dna your AC will be split into different categories. This is why people can lose different categories and end up with ones they didn't have before. On Ancestry I'm now 100% Ireland and Scotland whereas before I have trace regions ranging from East European, European Jewish, Scandinavian etc. All gone now with the latest update on Ancestry.

Then the French / German category is reflected more in the south of Germany, Switzerland and Austria than in western Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands etc?

In general, are the Irish closer to the Scots, Welsh and Scandinavians than to the English and Germans?

[Grace O'Malley]

Then the French / German category is reflected more in the south of Germany, Switzerland and Austria than in western Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands etc?

In general, are the Irish closer to the Scots, Welsh and Scandinavians than to the English and Germans?

Irish are closer to Scots, English and Welsh in that order. This is according to the Irish DNA Atlas.

This is Eupedia's map of French & German. This might have changed now with the new update.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/23andMe_French_German.png

British & Irish

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_British_Irish.png

[Septentrion]

Why/ why not?

Please back up your reasoning with genetic and historical facts thnx...

They would score more on the French and German than on the British and Irish. It might have been different earlier only because there was more data from Irish or British people. Now that more Europeans are being involved, the picture is much more clear.

[gixajo]

With the last update it´s rare that any Spaniard or Portuguese scores less than a 95% Spanish&Portuguese with 23andMe.

But I can agree with "more Western>>>Irish-British / more Eastern >>>German&French".