Azerbaijani (Terekeme) GEDmatch results

[Hudayar]

Eurogenes K13
1 West_Asian 32.34
2 East_Med 22.22
3 Siberian 11.09
4 West_Med 8.91
5 East_Asian 7.23
6 North_Atlantic 6.93
7 South_Asian 4.74
8 Baltic 2.61
9 Red_Sea 2.38
10 Amerindian 1.36
11 Oceanian 0.17

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmen 10.68
2 Turkish 13.01
3 Azeri 13.23
4 Nogay 15.45
5 Kumyk 16.71
6 Kurdish 17.36
7 Iranian 17.66
8 Afghan_Tadjik 17.84
9 Afghan_Uzbeki 18.36
10 Armenian 19.18
11 Tadjik 19.77
12 Georgian_Jewish 20
13 Balkar 20.25
14 Kabardin 20.58
15 Assyrian 21.24
16 Lezgin 21.94
17 Ossetian 22.03
18 Adygei 22.33
19 Afghan_Turkmen 22.91
20 Tabassaran 23.15

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.6% Armenian + 45.4% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.93
2 57.7% Armenian + 42.3% Uzbeki @ 4.52
3 57% Armenian + 43% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.53
4 61% Armenian + 39% Hazara @ 4.55
5 72.2% Armenian + 27.8% Hakas @ 5.04
6 53.6% Georgian_Jewish + 46.4% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.33
7 73.7% Armenian + 26.3% Altaian @ 5.41
8 71.7% Armenian + 28.3% Shors @ 5.48
9 62.5% Nogay + 37.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.6
10 61.6% Armenian + 38.4% Uygur @ 5.62
11 56% Georgian_Jewish + 44% Afghan_Hazara @ 5.66
12 60.2% Georgian_Jewish + 39.8% Hazara @ 5.93
13 56.8% Georgian_Jewish + 43.2% Uzbeki @ 6.04
14 75% Armenian + 25% Mongolian @ 6.09
15 58.9% Nogay + 41.1% Assyrian @ 6.12
16 82.3% Azeri + 17.7% Mongolian @ 6.15
17 62.2% Nogay + 37.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 6.18
18 76.7% Armenian + 23.3% Tuvinian @ 6.33
19 81.6% Azeri + 18.4% Altaian @ 6.43
20 84.4% Azeri + 15.6% Buryat @ 6.44


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Turkmen +50% Armenian @ 4.761834


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Mongolian +25% Tabassaran @ 3.562589


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Armenian + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.562589
2 Armenian + Assyrian + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.710305
3 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.887593
4 Armenian + Armenian + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 3.982780
5 Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.999680
6 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Tabassaran @ 4.209787
7 Altaian + Armenian + Assyrian + Tabassaran @ 4.244262
8 Armenian + Iranian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.250252
9 Armenian + Assyrian + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 4.287530
10 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Kumyk @ 4.297393
11 Altaian + Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Tabassaran @ 4.352508
12 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Lezgin @ 4.368276
13 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 4.414766
14 Afghan_Hazara + Armenian + Armenian + Nogay @ 4.514326
15 Altaian + Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Tabassaran @ 4.518844
16 Assyrian + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.518862
17 Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.537992
18 Altaian + Armenian + Assyrian + Lezgin @ 4.561185
19 Armenian + Hakas + Kurdish_Jewish + Ossetian @ 4.562424
20 Armenian + Armenian + Kumyk + Mongolian @ 4.588085

Eurogenes K15 results
Sorted
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 30.16
2 East_Med 22.53
3 Siberian 10.79
4 Southeast_Asian 6.93
5 North_Sea 6.55
6 Eastern_Euro 5.93
7 West_Med 5.8
8 South_Asian 5.23
9 Red_Sea 2.59
10 Atlantic 2.31
11 Amerindian 1.15
12 Oceanian 0.03

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmen 10.68
2 Turkish 13.01
3 Azeri 13.23
4 Nogay 15.45
5 Kumyk 16.71
6 Kurdish 17.36
7 Iranian 17.66
8 Afghan_Tadjik 17.84
9 Afghan_Uzbeki 18.36
10 Armenian 19.18
11 Tadjik 19.77
12 Georgian_Jewish 20
13 Balkar 20.25
14 Kabardin 20.58
15 Assyrian 21.24
16 Lezgin 21.94
17 Ossetian 22.03
18 Adygei 22.33
19 Afghan_Turkmen 22.91
20 Tabassaran 23.15

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.6% Armenian + 45.4% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.93
2 57.7% Armenian + 42.3% Uzbeki @ 4.52
3 57% Armenian + 43% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.53
4 61% Armenian + 39% Hazara @ 4.55
5 72.2% Armenian + 27.8% Hakas @ 5.04
6 53.6% Georgian_Jewish + 46.4% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.33
7 73.7% Armenian + 26.3% Altaian @ 5.41
8 71.7% Armenian + 28.3% Shors @ 5.48
9 62.5% Nogay + 37.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.6
10 61.6% Armenian + 38.4% Uygur @ 5.62
11 56% Georgian_Jewish + 44% Afghan_Hazara @ 5.66
12 60.2% Georgian_Jewish + 39.8% Hazara @ 5.93
13 56.8% Georgian_Jewish + 43.2% Uzbeki @ 6.04
14 75% Armenian + 25% Mongolian @ 6.09
15 58.9% Nogay + 41.1% Assyrian @ 6.12
16 82.3% Azeri + 17.7% Mongolian @ 6.15
17 62.2% Nogay + 37.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 6.18
18 76.7% Armenian + 23.3% Tuvinian @ 6.33
19 81.6% Azeri + 18.4% Altaian @ 6.43
20 84.4% Azeri + 15.6% Buryat @ 6.44

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Turkmen +50% Armenian @ 4.761834


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Mongolian +25% Tabassaran @ 3.562589


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Armenian + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.562589
2 Armenian + Assyrian + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.710305
3 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.887593
4 Armenian + Armenian + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 3.982780
5 Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.999680
6 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Tabassaran @ 4.209787
7 Altaian + Armenian + Assyrian + Tabassaran @ 4.244262
8 Armenian + Iranian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.250252
9 Armenian + Assyrian + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 4.287530
10 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Kumyk @ 4.297393
11 Altaian + Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Tabassaran @ 4.352508
12 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Lezgin @ 4.368276
13 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 4.414766
14 Afghan_Hazara + Armenian + Armenian + Nogay @ 4.514326
15 Altaian + Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Tabassaran @ 4.518844
16 Assyrian + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.518862
17 Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.537992
18 Altaian + Armenian + Assyrian + Lezgin @ 4.561185
19 Armenian + Hakas + Kurdish_Jewish + Ossetian @ 4.562424
20 Armenian + Armenian + Kumyk + Mongolian @ 4.588085

[Hudayar]

stolen from
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3527-Post-your-Eurogenes-V2-K15-results&p=207187#post207187

[Hudayar]

"Terekeme" means "Turkmens" in Arabic. We call Terekeme people Karapapak aka Black hat here. They're ethnically Azerbaijani.

[Leto]

Pretty different from regular Azerbaijanis.

[Hudayar]

Pretty different from regular Azerbaijanis.

Indeed. He's closer to Turkmens than to Azerbaijanis. But he's Terekeme so it's, i think, not very surprising. also his central asian ancestry in 4 pop approx appears as mongolian :D

[Babak]

Yea i would expect a result like this. Pretty different from a regular azeri though

[Hudayar]

Yea i would expect a result like this. Pretty different from a regular azeri though

yes for some reasons he's closer to Turkmens and Turks than to Azeris. Maybe he's one of those Turks that didn't mix?
IMO most Azerbaijanis are a mixture of Turks (Turkey Turks) and Iranians/Caucasians rather than Turkmen/Iranian mix according to the gedmatch results that i saw. A lot of Turks migrated to Azerbaijan in 16th century because of Ottoman aggression against Alevis and Safavid uprising against Sunny hegemony. Eastern Anatolia became Kurdish majority because of the migrations to Azerbaijan/Iran and Ottoman aggression against Alevi Turkmens.

[Babak]

yes for some reasons he's closer to Turkmens and Turks than to Azeris. Maybe he's one of those Turks that didn't mix?
IMO most Azerbaijanis are a mixture of Turks (Turkey Turks) and Iranians/Caucasians rather than Turkmen/Iranian mix according to the gedmatch results that i saw. A lot of Turks migrated to Azerbaijan in 16th century because of Ottoman aggression against Alevis and Safavid uprising against Sunny hegemony. Eastern Anatolia became Kurdish majority because of the migrations to Azerbaijan/Iran and Ottoman aggression against Alevi Turkmens.

Qarapapaqs and afshars shouldn't score any differently. They mostly remained isolated while the remaining mixed more with natives.

[Böri]

Azerbaijanis have more native effect from non-IE Caucasic native 'Albanians, (Persians called them Arrani) than with Iranic people. That's for north, independent Azerbaijan. Iranian Azerbaijanis might have different story.

[Fedora]

Qarapapaqs and afshars shouldn't score any differently. They mostly remained isolated while the remaining mixed more with natives.

Terekemes are qarapapaqs. It's interesting, from which province is he from?

[Babak]

Terekemes are qarapapaqs. It's interesting, from which province is he from?

Urmieh or tabriz i believe

[Massagetae]

Terekemes descend from Huns, they settled in the area (~ Azerbaijan) between 300-600 AD.

[Fedora]

Terekemes descend from Huns, they settled in the area (~ Azerbaijan) between 300-600 AD.

They wouldl have spoken a different turkic language if that would be the case, wouldn't they?

[Leto]

Approaching 20% East Eurasian, that's huge for West Asia. I wonder how many Azerbaijanis would be as much EE as him.

[Pahli]

Approaching 20% East Eurasian, that's huge for West Asia. I wonder how many Azerbaijanis would be as much EE as him.

Barely any to be honest, average I would guess has lower East Eurasian than even Anatolian Turks if we count in Iranian Azeris too.

[Oghuz]

Terekemes are not real Azeris.

[Leto]

Barely any to be honest, average I would guess has lower East Eurasian than even Anatolian Turks if we count in Iranian Azeris too.
Yeah, the Azeri average is like 5-6% according to GM spreadsheets. Some may be 7-9% but 18% would be super rare.

[Pahli]

Terekemes are not real Azeris.

What are they then? According to wiki they are a part of the Azeri ethnic group

[SharpFork]

Barely any to be honest, average I would guess has lower East Eurasian than even Anatolian Turks if we count in Iranian Azeris too.
How come? Why did Western Anatolian Turks get so much East Eurasian DNA if even Western Turks and Azeris didn't?

[Pahli]

How come? Why did Western Anatolian Turks get so much East Eurasian DNA if even Western Turks and Azeris didn't?

Mixed with local non-Turkic population, linguistic assimilation, even I have EE so ...

[SharpFork]

Mixed with local non-Turkic population, linguistic assimilation, even I have EE so ...

Yeah but why did that happen less in peninsular Anatolia?

[Babak]

What are they then? According to wiki they are a part of the Azeri ethnic group

Yea its because Azerbaijani=Turkic oghuz language+Shia islam lol

[Kyp]

How come? Why did Western Anatolian Turks get so much East Eurasian DNA if even Western Turks and Azeris didn't?

They don't.

[Kyp]

Barely any to be honest, average I would guess has lower East Eurasian than even Anatolian Turks if we count in Iranian Azeris too.

Don't think so. I've seen a lot of Anatolian Turks results with barely any EE. It depends on family line and region I guess.

[Leto]

Don't think so. I've seen a lot of Anatolian Turks results with barely any EE. It depends on family line and region I guess.
The average in Turkey is around 10%. Some can be as much as 20% and some only 1-2%.

[Kyp]

The average in Turkey is around 10%. Some can be as much as 20% and some only 1-2%.

That was my point. My father isn't even fully Azeri and has around the same EE as the average Anatolian Turk. In Iran if you're paternally Azeri you count as Azeri even if you're not really Azeri genetically. So my guess is that the spreadsheets are not 100% correct. But I might be wrong.

[Leto]

That was my point. My father isn't even fully Azeri and has around the same EE as the average Anatolian Turk. In Iran if you're paternally Azeri you count as Azeri even if you're not really Azeri genetically. So my guess is that the spreadsheets are not 100% correct. But I might be wrong.
Well, Iranian Azeris are heavily Persianized culturally, Persian is the only official language of instruction and commerce in Iran. I would take the Republic of Azerbaijan as a better example.

[Kyp]

Well, Iranian Azeris are heavily Persianized culturally, Persian is the only official language of instruction and commerce in Iran. I would take the Republic of Azerbaijan as a better example.

True.

[Infinite]

Hey man are u from Kars

[Pahli]

Don't think so. I've seen a lot of Anatolian Turks results with barely any EE. It depends on family line and region I guess.

Are you sure? Turkey has a lot of assimilated people that claim themselves as ethnic Turks.

[Babak]

Well, Iranian Azeris are heavily Persianized culturally, Persian is the only official language of instruction and commerce in Iran. I would take the Republic of Azerbaijan as a better example.

Republic azeris have about the same as Iranian azeris.

[Kyp]

Are you sure? Turkey has a lot of assimilated people that claim themselves as ethnic Turks.

I know but it's not my job to investigate if these so called "Turks" have actual turkic ancestry or not.

[Kyp]

What are they then? According to wiki they are a part of the Azeri ethnic group

Maybe they've just preserved their family line more than other Azeris? Meaning more incestuous relationships.. And haven't mixed with other iranians or Kavkaz populations. Just a guess without well-founded knowledge of the region.

[Proto-Shaman]

Eurogenes K13
1 West_Asian 32.34
2 East_Med 22.22
3 Siberian 11.09
4 West_Med 8.91
5 East_Asian 7.23
6 North_Atlantic 6.93
7 South_Asian 4.74
8 Baltic 2.61
9 Red_Sea 2.38
10 Amerindian 1.36
11 Oceanian 0.17

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmen 10.68
2 Turkish 13.01
3 Azeri 13.23
4 Nogay 15.45
5 Kumyk 16.71
6 Kurdish 17.36
7 Iranian 17.66
8 Afghan_Tadjik 17.84
9 Afghan_Uzbeki 18.36
10 Armenian 19.18
11 Tadjik 19.77
12 Georgian_Jewish 20
13 Balkar 20.25
14 Kabardin 20.58
15 Assyrian 21.24
16 Lezgin 21.94
17 Ossetian 22.03
18 Adygei 22.33
19 Afghan_Turkmen 22.91
20 Tabassaran 23.15

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.6% Armenian + 45.4% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.93
2 57.7% Armenian + 42.3% Uzbeki @ 4.52
3 57% Armenian + 43% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.53
4 61% Armenian + 39% Hazara @ 4.55
5 72.2% Armenian + 27.8% Hakas @ 5.04
6 53.6% Georgian_Jewish + 46.4% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.33
7 73.7% Armenian + 26.3% Altaian @ 5.41
8 71.7% Armenian + 28.3% Shors @ 5.48
9 62.5% Nogay + 37.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.6
10 61.6% Armenian + 38.4% Uygur @ 5.62
11 56% Georgian_Jewish + 44% Afghan_Hazara @ 5.66
12 60.2% Georgian_Jewish + 39.8% Hazara @ 5.93
13 56.8% Georgian_Jewish + 43.2% Uzbeki @ 6.04
14 75% Armenian + 25% Mongolian @ 6.09
15 58.9% Nogay + 41.1% Assyrian @ 6.12
16 82.3% Azeri + 17.7% Mongolian @ 6.15
17 62.2% Nogay + 37.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 6.18
18 76.7% Armenian + 23.3% Tuvinian @ 6.33
19 81.6% Azeri + 18.4% Altaian @ 6.43
20 84.4% Azeri + 15.6% Buryat @ 6.44


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Turkmen +50% Armenian @ 4.761834


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Mongolian +25% Tabassaran @ 3.562589


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Armenian + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.562589
2 Armenian + Assyrian + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.710305
3 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.887593
4 Armenian + Armenian + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 3.982780
5 Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.999680
6 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Tabassaran @ 4.209787
7 Altaian + Armenian + Assyrian + Tabassaran @ 4.244262
8 Armenian + Iranian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.250252
9 Armenian + Assyrian + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 4.287530
10 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Kumyk @ 4.297393
11 Altaian + Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Tabassaran @ 4.352508
12 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Lezgin @ 4.368276
13 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 4.414766
14 Afghan_Hazara + Armenian + Armenian + Nogay @ 4.514326
15 Altaian + Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Tabassaran @ 4.518844
16 Assyrian + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.518862
17 Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.537992
18 Altaian + Armenian + Assyrian + Lezgin @ 4.561185
19 Armenian + Hakas + Kurdish_Jewish + Ossetian @ 4.562424
20 Armenian + Armenian + Kumyk + Mongolian @ 4.588085

Eurogenes K15 results
Sorted
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 30.16
2 East_Med 22.53
3 Siberian 10.79
4 Southeast_Asian 6.93
5 North_Sea 6.55
6 Eastern_Euro 5.93
7 West_Med 5.8
8 South_Asian 5.23
9 Red_Sea 2.59
10 Atlantic 2.31
11 Amerindian 1.15
12 Oceanian 0.03

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmen 10.68
2 Turkish 13.01
3 Azeri 13.23
4 Nogay 15.45
5 Kumyk 16.71
6 Kurdish 17.36
7 Iranian 17.66
8 Afghan_Tadjik 17.84
9 Afghan_Uzbeki 18.36
10 Armenian 19.18
11 Tadjik 19.77
12 Georgian_Jewish 20
13 Balkar 20.25
14 Kabardin 20.58
15 Assyrian 21.24
16 Lezgin 21.94
17 Ossetian 22.03
18 Adygei 22.33
19 Afghan_Turkmen 22.91
20 Tabassaran 23.15

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.6% Armenian + 45.4% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.93
2 57.7% Armenian + 42.3% Uzbeki @ 4.52
3 57% Armenian + 43% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.53
4 61% Armenian + 39% Hazara @ 4.55
5 72.2% Armenian + 27.8% Hakas @ 5.04
6 53.6% Georgian_Jewish + 46.4% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.33
7 73.7% Armenian + 26.3% Altaian @ 5.41
8 71.7% Armenian + 28.3% Shors @ 5.48
9 62.5% Nogay + 37.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.6
10 61.6% Armenian + 38.4% Uygur @ 5.62
11 56% Georgian_Jewish + 44% Afghan_Hazara @ 5.66
12 60.2% Georgian_Jewish + 39.8% Hazara @ 5.93
13 56.8% Georgian_Jewish + 43.2% Uzbeki @ 6.04
14 75% Armenian + 25% Mongolian @ 6.09
15 58.9% Nogay + 41.1% Assyrian @ 6.12
16 82.3% Azeri + 17.7% Mongolian @ 6.15
17 62.2% Nogay + 37.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 6.18
18 76.7% Armenian + 23.3% Tuvinian @ 6.33
19 81.6% Azeri + 18.4% Altaian @ 6.43
20 84.4% Azeri + 15.6% Buryat @ 6.44

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Turkmen +50% Armenian @ 4.761834


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Mongolian +25% Tabassaran @ 3.562589


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Armenian + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.562589
2 Armenian + Assyrian + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.710305
3 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.887593
4 Armenian + Armenian + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 3.982780
5 Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 3.999680
6 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Tabassaran @ 4.209787
7 Altaian + Armenian + Assyrian + Tabassaran @ 4.244262
8 Armenian + Iranian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.250252
9 Armenian + Assyrian + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 4.287530
10 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Kumyk @ 4.297393
11 Altaian + Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Tabassaran @ 4.352508
12 Altaian + Armenian + Armenian + Lezgin @ 4.368276
13 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Lezgin + Mongolian @ 4.414766
14 Afghan_Hazara + Armenian + Armenian + Nogay @ 4.514326
15 Altaian + Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Tabassaran @ 4.518844
16 Assyrian + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.518862
17 Georgian_Jewish + Georgian_Jewish + Mongolian + Tabassaran @ 4.537992
18 Altaian + Armenian + Assyrian + Lezgin @ 4.561185
19 Armenian + Hakas + Kurdish_Jewish + Ossetian @ 4.562424
20 Armenian + Armenian + Kumyk + Mongolian @ 4.588085

Cool he is L1b like me. My father's fathers grandfather came from Erzurumlu Dadaslar. Do you know if these Terekeme/Karapapaks are the same as the Azeri_Turkey samples from Global 25?