Can anyone classify what I am percieved as?

[GitazO]

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[Maintenance]

North african with some south euro maybe

[greasycaveman]

Brazil or some other south american country.

[GitazO]

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[GitazO]

Thanks for the replies, it helps a lot. I feel like I look different in every picture I don't even know

[GitazO]

If it's Brazil or other SA country, would you think I'm mixed, part Native, part black or Spanish or Portuguese?

If it's North Africa, then would you think I'm Amazigh/"Berber" mix?

[greasycaveman]

If it's Brazil or other SA country, would you think I'm mixed, part Native, part black or Spanish or Portuguese?

If it's North Africa, then would you think I'm Amazigh/"Berber" mix?

Id say 2/4 Spanish 1/4 amazigh 1/4 native

[Antimage]

First impression: "Brazilian"
A quadroon 1/4 black,3/4 white

[GitazO]

Very interesting thank you

[JMack]

If it's Brazil or other SA country, would you think I'm mixed, part Native, part black or Spanish or Portuguese?


Mixed. You can't pass as Spanish or Portuguese.

[Decius]

Very mixed

[Odin]

Triracial.

[GitazO]

Mixed. You can't pass as Spanish or Portuguese.

This is fascinating. There is a part of southern Spain that looks mixed almost middle eastern, especially Andalucia in mideval times. A lot like Sicily and parts of Portugal (it seems to be the same mix in this portion of these populations)

Do you think these people pass as Spanish or are noticeably classified differently, like Gypsy even though they don't have ancestry from the Roma of India?


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[GitazO]

This is fascinating. There is a part of southern Spain that looks mixed almost middle eastern, especially Andalucia in mideval times. A lot like Sicily and parts of Portugal (it seems to be the same mix in this portion of these populations)

Do you think these people pass as Spanish or are noticeably classified differently, like Gypsy even though they don't have ancestry from the Roma of India?


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A lot of people think it is the imprint of the Moors from mideval times, just curious what y'all think


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[Cristiano viejo]

This is fascinating. There is a part of southern Spain that looks mixed almost middle eastern, especially Andalucia in mideval times. A lot like Sicily and parts of Portugal (it seems to be the same mix in this portion of these populations)

Do you think these people pass as Spanish or are noticeably classified differently, like Gypsy even though they don't have ancestry from the Roma of India?


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Only Gita(na)zos (Gypsies) look like you in Andalusia.

[GitazO]

Very true. I believe my family may have been hiding this ancestry as many in the past have tried to

My grandmother was from Columbia but I suspect she had Gitano gypsy parents who immigrated


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[JMack]

Do you think these people pass as Spanish or are noticeably classified differently, like Gypsy even though they don't have ancestry from the Roma of India?



They don't pass as (ethnic) Spanish or Portuguese.

[Token]

You look heavily mixed but possibly mostly European.


If it's Brazil or other SA country, would you think I'm mixed, part Native, part black or Spanish or Portuguese?
Everyone would see you as mixed in any part of Brazil mostly due to the relatively dark skin.

[GitazO]

They don't pass as (ethnic) Spanish or Portuguese.

How about my father?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/1c8c794e1dced4d231e90cb7fd2495c0.jpg


Do you think he would pass?


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[GitazO]

Only Gita(na)zos (Gypsies) look like you in Andalusia.

That's very interesting. Do you think the same goes for these people?:https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/6019c2c629d3640c5e7dc32e1e6317fa.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/518a850e49015f02ba715b225d3ef004.jpg


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[GitazO]

You look heavily mixed but possibly mostly European.


Everyone would see you as mixed in any part of Brazil mostly due to the relatively dark skin.

Interesting! Heavily mixed with African or Mestizo with Native? What about these folks?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/b1c082bc3a7b5288e56cb5bedeb28d0a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/63484924e5af1b7b95d5688181b2404e.jpg


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[Token]

Interesting! Heavily mixed with African or Mestizo with Native? What about these folks?
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Going by this pic, the man can pass easily in Iberia. Are they your parents?

[GitazO]

Going by this pic, the man can pass easily in Iberia. Are they your parents?

My grandmother and my father


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[JMack]

Do you think he would pass?



Your father looks Mexican, but would probably pass.

These are average Portuguese/Spanish:

http://www.jogadores.pt/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2012_04_04t193639z_4.jpg

https://www.who2.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/luisfigo-11.jpg

[Token]

My grandmother and my father


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I see. You look like a mixed version of your father and i can see African influence, but you are mostly European.

[JMack]

I see. You look like a mixed version of your father and i can see African influence, but you are mostly European.

I agree. He also have very North European influenced features. Like the jaw for example.

[GitazO]

Your father looks Mexican, but would probably pass.

These are average Portuguese/Spanish:

http://www.jogadores.pt/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2012_04_04t193639z_4.jpg

https://www.who2.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/luisfigo-11.jpg
Do you think the same from these photos without a tan?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/559fa6dbd946372ced9d723ef32ad6fd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/b24b3c09c23a4f531e5faa63f8d6f246.jpg


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[GitazO]

Your father looks Mexican, but would probably pass.

These are average Portuguese/Spanish:

http://www.jogadores.pt/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2012_04_04t193639z_4.jpg

https://www.who2.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/luisfigo-11.jpg

The dark skin in that first Portuguese person must have come from the Moors in mideval times, he's definitely not Visigoth or Vandal.

How about my brother? Shown here without a tan: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/c7ff33078b4c0b29c70a1d5aa616dc9e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/10e5e1683925ae83838d929dfed0632c.jpg




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[Gangrel]

You give me a Hawaiian dude vibe, maybe its the clothes and necklace putting me off tho

[Token]

Do you think the same from these photos without a tan?]
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Is your father of North European descent?

[dperucca]

You are clearly predominately European. Your brother looks like Colin Farrell. What is your heritage?

[GitazO]

Is your father of North European descent?

Mother was born in Columbia but is said to have Spanish ancestry. Yet almost everyone here said if it's Spain it must be Gitano "gypsy", as Andalucia has Amazigh/Moor mix from mideval times


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[Token]

Mother was born in Columbia but is said to have Spanish ancestry. Yet almost everyone here said if it's Spain it must be Gitano "gypsy", as Andalucia has Amazigh/Moor mix from mideval times
Gypsies have nothing to do with Moors and she almost certainly has Spanish ancestry as a Colombian. Do your father have North European roots?

[GitazO]

Gypsies have nothing to do with Moors and she almost certainly has Spanish ancestry as a Colombian. Do your father have North European roots?

I know this, the Gypsies are Roma, yet in Spain they are predominantly mixed Amazigh decent from the Moors from the time of the Reconquista when those communities spent time together and exchanged culture. It is why Flamenco sounds so Arabic. There's books being written about it


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[GitazO]

Gypsies have nothing to do with Moors and she almost certainly has Spanish ancestry as a Colombian. Do your father have North European roots?

So in Spain they Gitanos are different from the Roma of India

He says "Spanish" ancestry but most people in Spain are white, and most white people dont perceive us as white


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[GitazO]

You are clearly predominately European. Your brother looks like Colin Farrell. What is your heritage?

That's the thing though: most white people dont percieved us as white. (My brother has no tan in that photo and he gets darker than me)


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[Token]

I know this, the Gypsies are Roma, yet in Spain they are predominantly mixed Amazigh decent from the Moors from the time of the Reconquista when those communities spent time together and exchanged culture. It is why Flamenco sounds so Arabic. There's books being written about it
No, you're wrong and need to search more about genetics, Moors were expelled from Iberia during the reconquista and they didn't left much if any impact in the genetic profile of modern Iberians. And you still didn't answered my question.

[Token]

So in Spain they Gitanos are different from the Roma of India

He says "Spanish" ancestry but most people in Spain are white, and most white people dont perceive us as white


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It's because you're not just of Spanish descent as Colombians are mostly mixed with Amerindians and Africans.

[GitazO]

No, you're wrong and need to search more about genetics, Moors were expelled from Iberia during the reconquista and they didn't left much if any impact in the genetic profile of modern Iberians. And you still didn't answered my question.

Yes, the black Moors were expelled during the Reconquista but the MIXED descendants were allowed to stay if they converted to Catholicism. There has been a historical cover up about it out of racist denial and much is being written about it. It is literally why there were so many dark skin Mixed people in Andalucia


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[GitazO]

Yes, the black Moors were expelled during the Reconquista but the MIXED descendants were allowed to stay if they converted to Catholicism. There has been a historical cover up about it out of racist denial and much is being written about it. It is literally why there were so many dark skin Mixed people in Andalucia


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And per your question we don't know


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[dperucca]

That's the thing though: most white people dont percieved us as white. (My brother has no tan in that photo and he gets darker than me)


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You can be tan and be white. I am dark AF in the summer. Adaptive melanin it's a beautiful thing.

[Token]

Yes, the black Moors were expelled during the Reconquista but the MIXED descendants were allowed to stay if they converted to Catholicism. There has been a historical cover up about it out of racist denial and much is being written about it. It is literally why there were so many dark skin Mixed people in Andalucia
People are darker in the southern regions of Spain due to the sunny Mediterranean climate, some studies asserted that the skin complexion (in unexposed parts) of Spaniards is comparable to Poles. Genetic researchs confirmed that North African lineages and autossomal components are ancient and is there much before the Moors ever stepped in Europe.

[GitazO]

You can be tan and be white. I am dark AF in the summer. Adaptive melanin it's a beautiful thing.

I realize this but it's usually due to some mixing dying ancient migrations. Regardless, I get so dark white People don't see me as white. (As shown by the initial reaction on this thread)


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[GitazO]

You can be tan and be white. I am dark AF in the summer. Adaptive melanin it's a beautiful thing.

Even though it's continually denied, most Mediterranean people with dark skin mixed with the Moors during the time they ruled Spain and Sicily


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[dperucca]

I realize this but it's usually due to some mixing dying ancient migrations. Regardless, I get so dark white People don't see me as white. (As shown by the initial reaction on this thread)


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So are you ever going to disclose your heritage? lol

[GitazO]

People are darker in the southern regions of Spain due to the sunny Mediterranean climate, some studies asserted that the skin complexion (in unexposed parts) of Spaniards is comparable to Poles. Genetic researchs confirmed that North African lineages and autossomal components are ancient and is there much before the Moors ever stepped in Europe.

Like is said: racist denial. No matter how much a pale German or Irish person sits in the sun in Andalucia they will still burn and their children will too unless they mix with darker people. To think there was no mixing during the time Africans ruled Spain even though it's been proven in the DNA is ridiculous


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[GitazO]

So are you ever going to disclose your heritage? lol

We don't know that's why I'm so interested


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[Token]

Like is said: racist denial. No matter how much a pale German or Irish person sits in the sun in Andalucia they will still burn and their children will too unless they mix with darker people. To think there was no mixing during the time Africans ruled Spain even though it's been proven in the DNA is ridiculous
And if you put a Swede, he will become darker than a North African, so? Anyway, if you want to discuss about that go open a new thread, this one is about your classification.

[dperucca]

We don't know that's why I'm so interested


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A DNA test will tell you more accurately. When in doubt trust in science.

[Cristiano viejo]

I know this, the Gypsies are Roma, yet in Spain they are predominantly mixed Amazigh decent from the Moors from the time of the Reconquista when those communities spent time together and exchanged culture. It is why Flamenco sounds so Arabic. There's books being written about it

When Gypsies arrived to Spain, only there were Moors in the southern part of Andalusia (Granada).

Flamenco has nothing to do with Arabic/Arabs (I dont know how much times I already have explained this). Flamenco originated in South Andalusia in the century XVIII by low-class ethnic Spaniards and later with the contact with Gypsies they aproppiated the genre.

Currently Flamenco can have Arabic touchs but this is ultra-recent and has nothing to do with Moors :picard1:
When Flamenco was invented the Moors were out of Spain since around 200 years already :picard1:

And yes, there are books about this, I will recommend the best of all to you, from the Spanish professor and Arabist Serafín Fanjul, the title is "al Andalus against Spain" and there you will check all what I am saying :thumb001:


So in Spain they Gitanos are different from the Roma of India

He says "Spanish" ancestry but most people in Spain are white, and most white people dont perceive us as white
There are not Gitanos of India already, for start with.

And this is how the average Gypsy from Spain look
http://www.abc.es/Media/201411/24/juan-jose-cortes--644x362.jpg


Yes, the black Moors were expelled during the Reconquista but the MIXED descendants were allowed to stay if they converted to Catholicism. There has been a historical cover up about it out of racist denial and much is being written about it. It is literally why there were so many dark skin Mixed people in Andalucia

Moors were not black and people with dark skin and mixed in Andalusia (or in the rest of Spain) are Gypsies.
I am tired to repeat the same: when people/haters see a dark Spaniard who looks mixed they claim he has Moorish ancestry but the most probably thing is the Gypsy ancestry (for example the man of the photo of above who is a famous Gypsy).

[GitazO]

And if you put a Swede, he will become darker than a North African, so? Anyway, if you want to discuss about that go open a new thread, this one is about your classification.

Cool thanks for policing my own thread lol just step off if you don't like the discussion homes

White people dont usually perceive dark Andalucian Spanish as white


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[JohnSmith]

Brazilian.

[Token]

Cool thanks for policing my own thread lol just step off if you don't like the discussion homes

White people dont usually perceive dark Andalucian Spanish as white

It's useless to discuss with people that don't even know what they are talking about, they just write 'racist' when you refute them and state their opinion without any scientific base.

[GitazO]

When Gypsies arrived to Spain, only there were Moors in the southern part of Andalusia (Granada).

Flamenco has nothing to do with Arabic/Arabs (I dont know how much times I already have explained this). Flamenco originated in South Andalusia in the century XVIII by low-class ethnic Spaniards and later with the contact with Gypsies they aproppiated the genre.

Currently Flamenco can have Arabic touchs but this is ultra-recent and has nothing to do with Moors :picard1:
When Flamenco was invented the Moors were out of Spain since around 200 years already :picard1:

And yes, there are books about this, I will recommend the best of all to you, from the Spanish professor and Arabist Serafín Fanjul, the title is "al Andalus against Spain" and there you will check all what I am saying :thumb001:


There are not Gitanos of India already, for start with.

And this is how the average Gypsy from Spain look
http://www.abc.es/Media/201411/24/juan-jose-cortes--644x362.jpg


Moors were not black and people with dark skin and mixed in Andalusia (or in the rest of Spain) are Gypsies.
I am tired to repeat the same: when people/haters see a dark Spaniard who looks mixed they claim he has Moorish ancestry but the most probably thing is the Gypsy ancestry.

Did he just say the Moors weren't black??? Lol, I cannot take any of your information seriously especially the denial of the known Amazigh, Roma, Sephardic (Judaized Amazigh) roots of Flamenco

The Moors were 100% black and described "as black as midnight " by Roman historians but not tryna debate this w uhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/7e44462d08346fbde5dc4b6ede7a4bda.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/a5a42a8230816b6b85119f6b5d808d94.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/cc7e384721aed8a6a2d037a6babe2300.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/81d9199e46acf3c542eccd6994aad9e8.jpg

[GitazO]

When Gypsies arrived to Spain, only there were Moors in the southern part of Andalusia (Granada).

Flamenco has nothing to do with Arabic/Arabs (I dont know how much times I already have explained this). Flamenco originated in South Andalusia in the century XVIII by low-class ethnic Spaniards and later with the contact with Gypsies they aproppiated the genre.

Currently Flamenco can have Arabic touchs but this is ultra-recent and has nothing to do with Moors :picard1:
When Flamenco was invented the Moors were out of Spain since around 200 years already :picard1:

And yes, there are books about this, I will recommend the best of all to you, from the Spanish professor and Arabist Serafín Fanjul, the title is "al Andalus against Spain" and there you will check all what I am saying :thumb001:


There are not Gitanos of India already, for start with.

And this is how the average Gypsy from Spain look
http://www.abc.es/Media/201411/24/juan-jose-cortes--644x362.jpg


Moors were not black and people with dark skin and mixed in Andalusia (or in the rest of Spain) are Gypsies.
I am tired to repeat the same: when people/haters see a dark Spaniard who looks mixed they claim he has Moorish ancestry but the most probably thing is the Gypsy ancestry (for example the man of the photo of above who is a famous Gypsy).


The Moors were black. Only ignorant and racist people deny this
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[dperucca]

Cool thanks for policing my own thread lol just step off if you don't like the discussion homes

White people dont usually perceive dark Andalucian Spanish as white


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Andalucian people are white. Spanish people are white. Anyone who thinks they are not is a retard.

[Rædwald]

You look predominately European, but noticeably mixed still. I would say Brazil would be a good fit.

[GitazO]

That's not true there's a part of the population that's mixed from the time of the Amazigh but was covered up during the racist Reconquista QUOTE=dperucca;4760523]Andalucian people are white. Spanish people are white. Anyone who thinks they are not is a retard.[/QUOTE]

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[dperucca]

That's not true there's a part of the population that's mixed from the time of the Amazigh but was covered up during the racist Reconquista QUOTE=dperucca;4760523]Andalucian people are white. Spanish people are white. Anyone who thinks they are not is a retard.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/dd32dfb8f81bcc91563bff4d96937277.jpg



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Who is that?

[JMack]

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Who is that?
[/QUOTE]


This guy is a Brazilian born in Italy who plays for Spain. Not an ethnic Spaniard.

[Hadouken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3t6YDnGXAc

http://lolsnaps.com/images/upload_pic/24159.jpg

[dperucca]

Who is that?



This guy is a Brazilian born in Italy who plays for Spain. Not an ethnic Spaniard.[/QUOTE]

I figured as much lol. That's why I asked for a name.

[GitazO]

This guy is a Brazilian born in Italy who plays for Spain. Not an ethnic Spaniard.

I figured as much lol. That's why I asked for a name.[/QUOTE]

Irregardless there's a part of the population in Spain that is mixed from the time of the Amazigh but it's been whitewashed and covered up since the Reconquista https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/708686baa0b80424f5da9f9c4c301839.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/61042254d71a392c826732b9fb2b83aa.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/aa6caafb64191f9d44b4eada52a642d9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/7a2f9558e0b8cc10bfd04fb62b346d23.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/e6914c8b82b80558b36f107be1793089.jpg


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[dperucca]

[QUOTE.Irregardless there's a part of the population in Spain that is mixed from the time of the Amazigh but it's been whitewashed and covered up since the Reconquista https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/708686baa0b80424f5da9f9c4c301839.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/61042254d71a392c826732b9fb2b83aa.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/aa6caafb64191f9d44b4eada52a642d9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/7a2f9558e0b8cc10bfd04fb62b346d23.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/e6914c8b82b80558b36f107be1793089.jpg







:picard1: shutter stock.

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[JMack]

These are all Gypsies and Rui Costa is a tanned European.

There's no Moor admixture in Iberia. Stop saying this shit.

[Lek]

Mother was born in Columbia but is said to have Spanish ancestry. Yet almost everyone here said if it's Spain it must be Gitano "gypsy", as Andalucia has Amazigh/Moor mix from mideval times


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Dont listen so much to what people on these anthro boards say.

Do a test and find out yourself.

[Lek]

These are all Gypsies and Rui Costa is a tanned European.

There's no Moor admixture in Iberia. Stop saying this shit.

There actually is.

[Iloko]

Israeli?

[GitazO]

These are all Gypsies and Rui Costa is a tanned European.

There's no Moor admixture in Iberia. Stop saying this shit.

Ok I'm not tryna debate with anyone here beyond this but
The African presence in southern Spain left a genetic imprint just like it did in Sicily and the southern Mediterranean , this is known and proven to be covered up in historical records of Andalusia, there was a tendency to whitewash and cover up the ancestry of the mixed populations because it was looked at as shameful

irregardless southern Spain and Sicily was mixed before those populations moved throughout the rest of Spain and Italy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/37092-southern-europeans-have-african-genes.html


https://youtu.be/trBxPFLq__g

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[GitazO]

[QUOTE.Irregardless there's a part of the population in Spain that is mixed from the time of the Amazigh but it's been whitewashed and covered up since the Reconquista https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/708686baa0b80424f5da9f9c4c301839.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/61042254d71a392c826732b9fb2b83aa.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/aa6caafb64191f9d44b4eada52a642d9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/7a2f9558e0b8cc10bfd04fb62b346d23.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/e6914c8b82b80558b36f107be1793089.jpg







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69615

Right. That's why I said "part of the population " because the majority of Spain is white. And these people are clearly mixed with small black North African not the Roma of India. The mixed Amazigh descendants lived together with the Roma after the Reconquista and exchanged culture, this is known


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[GitazO]

Dont listen so much to what people on these anthro boards say.

Do a test and find out yourself.

Lol right?!


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[GitazO]

These are all Gypsies and Rui Costa is a tanned European.

There's no Moor admixture in Iberia. Stop saying this shit.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/d7638d7b266689f2ecd42b8a37cac0b4.jpg

Right totally not mixed at all lol

I'm out! Peace!



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[GitazO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3t6YDnGXAc

http://lolsnaps.com/images/upload_pic/24159.jpg

https://youtu.be/BR0fQ6wJb6A


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[JMack]

There actually is.

No. There's neolithic North African Caucasoid in parts the Moors didn't settled, so we can conclude there's no Moor admixture in Iberia.

[JMack]

Ok I'm not tryna debate with anyone here beyond this but
The African presence in southern Spain left a genetic imprint just like it did in Sicily and the southern Mediterranean , this is known and proven to be covered up in historical records of Andalusia, there was a tendency to whitewash and cover up the ancestry of the mixed populations because it was looked at as shameful

irregardless southern Spain and Sicily was mixed before those populations moved throughout the rest of Spain and Italy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/37092-southern-europeans-have-african-genes.html


https://youtu.be/trBxPFLq__g

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You're posting cherrypicked images of tanned people. Guys living in a very hot Mediterranean climate.

This is Fabrizio Corona with less tanning:

http://nst.sky.it/content/dam/static/contentimages/original/sezioni/tg24/cronaca/2015/01/28/corona_fotogramma.jpg

https://dileidemosite.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/fabrizio-corona-getty-1217.jpg?w=786&strip=all

Another case of tanned European, clearly.

You don't know what you're talking about.

[Antimage]

Cool avatar
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[Cristiano viejo]

Irregardless there's a part of the population in Spain that is mixed from the time of the Amazigh but it's been whitewashed and covered up since the Reconquista https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/708686baa0b80424f5da9f9c4c301839.jpg
These are Canarians from Las Palmas who indeed have North African ancestry.


There actually is.
Very ancient as showes the fact that where is higher is in the zones where Moors never arrived (Cantabria and Galicia).

Also if we consider e1b1 as North African, then you Albanians, who score near 40% of e1b1 imagine how much North African blood there is in your country.


Did he just say the Moors weren't black??? Lol, I cannot take any of your information seriously especially the denial of the known Amazigh, Roma, Sephardic (Judaized Amazigh) roots of Flamenco
I dont care if you want to continue being an ignorant. Flamenco was born at the end of the century XVIII. The majority of the Moors were expelled first in 1492 and the last and totally in 1609.

Explain me how they could created Flamenco in Spain if they did not live here for around 200 years. I am very interested to know your theory.

Well, perhaps you know about this better than professors and Arabists :rolleyes:


IThe Moors were 100% black and described "as black as midnight " by Roman historians but not tryna debate this w u
lol, Moor were Berbers who in these times were white, for start with :picard1:

[Lek]

No. There's neolithic North African Caucasoid in parts the Moors didn't settled, so we can conclude there's no Moor admixture in Iberia.



The ancestry of modern Iberians (Spanish and Portuguese) is consistent with the geographical situation of the Iberian Peninsula in the south-west corner of Europe. The strongest prehistoric connection is with Atlantic Europe as suggested by the predominance of Y-Chromosome Haplogroup R1b throughout the peninsula. There is also a connection with the Eastern Mediterranean region. However, this is lesser than that of the Southeast of the European continent (i.e. the Balkans and Southern Italy) due to Iberia being the farthest away from the Bosphorus, the main bridge of population expansions from Anatolia into Europe during prehistoric times. Indeed, studies point to Eastern Mediterranean genetic contribution to Iberia to have been driven primarily by historical rather than prehistorical population movements (i.e. Phoenicians, Carthaginians, Jews and Levantine Arabs rather than earlier Neolithic farmers). Iberia also has an admixture level of ancestry originating in North Africa as well as in Sub-Saharan Africa, with the concentration of both being highest in Southern Portugal, which is largely ascribed to the long Islamic presence in the Iberian peninsula and possibly African slavery in Portugal.[1] Significant genetic differences are found among, and even within, Spain and Portugal's different regions, which can be explained by the wide divergence in their historical trajectories and Spain and Portugal's internal geographic boundaries. The Basque Region in Northern Spain, is the most genetically distinct and typically Atlantic European. Furthermore, the Basque region and Catalonia hold the least Eastern Mediterranean ancestry in Iberia. African influence is largely concentrated in the Southern and Western regions of the peninsula. Germanic influence is small and limited to Catalonia, Galicia and Northern Portugal.[2]






A number of studies have focused on ascertaining the genetic impact of historical North African population movements into Iberia on the genetic composition of modern Spanish and Portuguese populations. Initial studies pointed to the Straits of Gibraltar acting more as a genetic barrier than a bridge during prehistorical times,[22][23][24] while other studies point to a higher level of recent North African admixture among Iberians than among other European populations,[25][26][27][28][11][29][30] albeit this is as a result of more recent migratory movements, particularly the Moorish invasion of Iberia in the 7th century.




You can read more here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula

[Hadouken]

https://youtu.be/BR0fQ6wJb6A


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hahahahahha :D

[Sp_loa]

You look very latino. Brazilian/Colombian is my will be my first guess. You don't look like pure spanish/Amazigh/native. You are mix.

[GitazO]

No. There's neolithic North African Caucasoid in parts the Moors didn't settled, so we can conclude there's no Moor admixture in Iberia.


Haha Plant beat me to it, but just for good measure:

This is why it was specified that the mix was predominantly in Andalusia originally (which basically borders Africa and who the dark skin Andalusian/Spanish people look indistinguishable from many Morrocans with the same mix) but those populations have now since moved around the rest of Spain so the mix is no longer isolated to Andalusia

"Southern Europeans More African Than Thought

The findings are perhaps not surprising, given that the Romans occupied North Africa and set up extensive trade routes in the region, and the Moors, a North African people, ruled a medieval territory called El-Andalus on the Iberian Peninsula."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/37092-southern-europeans-have-african-genes.html


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[GitazO]

These are Canarians from Las Palmas who indeed have North African ancestry.


Very ancient as showes the fact that where is higher is in the zones where Moors never arrived (Cantabria and Galicia).

Also if we consider e1b1 as North African, then you Albanians, who score near 40% of e1b1 imagine how much North African blood there is in your country.


I dont care if you want to continue being an ignorant. Flamenco was born at the end of the century XVIII. The majority of the Moors were expelled first in 1492 and the last and totally in 1609.

Explain me how they could created Flamenco in Spain if they did not live here for around 200 years. I am very interested to know your theory.

Well, perhaps you know about this better than professors and Arabists :rolleyes:


lol, Moor were Berbers who in these times were white, for start with :picard1:

The origins of Flamenco are continuously denied by nationalists with prejudice with the same predictable illogical arguments; such as the Moors were expelled and had absolutely no influence on the art form, even though the mixed "mulatto" Amazigh descendants lived in poor neighborhoods with the Gitanos exchanging culture and music, developing the art form. Yet it is known that the black African Moors were expelled during the Reconquista but the mixed descendants were allowed to stay if they converted to Catholicism. Flamenco music was always looked down upon as poor people's music and was never a point of pride until Franco decided to adopt it as a point of Nationalist pride.

The Amazigh influence on Flamenco music is so well known that many modern Flamenco artists are reaching out to Amazigh musicians to exchange culture and many fusion bands have also been formed.

(For instance the group Ithri, which performs Flamenco-Berber music, is quite active and has produced two discs.)

It is for this exact reason the movie "Vengo" starts with a scene of Amazigh and Gitano Flamenco musicians playing music together:

https://youtu.be/jucQ_PG43Rk

Just an example of one of the many Flamenco Amazigh reconstructionist fusion projects:

https://youtu.be/yHGZgUThFHU

https://youtu.be/3fRJM2UTnqQ

"Many of the details of the development of flamenco are lost in Spanish history.

There are several reasons for this lack of historical evidence:

1. Flamenco sprang from the lower levels of Andalucian society, and thus lacked the prestige of other art forms among the middle and higher classes. Flamenco music also slipped in and out of fashion several times during its existence.

2. The turbulent times of the people involved in flamenco culture. The Moors, the Gitanos and the Jews were all persecuted, and the Moors (moriscos) and Jews were expelled by the Spanish Inquisition in 1492. Many of the songs in flamenco still reflect the spirit of desperation, struggle, hope, and pride of the people during this time of persecution.

3. The Gitanos have been fundamental in maintaining this art form, but they have an oral culture. Their songs were passed on to new generations by repeated performances within their social community. The non-gypsy Andalucian poorer classes, in general, were also illiterate.

4. There was a lack of interest from historians and musicologists. "Flamencologists" have usually been flamenco connoisseurs of diverse professions (a high number of them, like Félix Grande, Caballero Bonald or Ricardo Molina, have been poets), with no specific academic training in the fields of history or musicology. They have tended to rely on a limited number of sources (mainly the writings of 19th century folklorist Demófilo, notes by foreign travellers like George Borrow, a few accounts by writers and the oral tradition), and they have often ignored other data. Nationalistic or ethnic bias has also been frequent in flamencology. "

https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015/06/161694/new-book-explores-historical-social-significance-of-the-amazigh-culture-in-andalucia/

If you're still in denial about the Amazigh genetic presence in darker skin Spaniard populations, you are severely under read and outdated:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/berber-and-arab-dna-in-europe-from-the-moorish-occupation/amp/




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[GitazO]

These are Canarians from Las Palmas who indeed have North African ancestry.


Very ancient as showes the fact that where is higher is in the zones where Moors never arrived (Cantabria and Galicia).

Also if we consider e1b1 as North African, then you Albanians, who score near 40% of e1b1 imagine how much North African blood there is in your country.


I dont care if you want to continue being an ignorant. Flamenco was born at the end of the century XVIII. The majority of the Moors were expelled first in 1492 and the last and totally in 1609.

Explain me how they could created Flamenco in Spain if they did not live here for around 200 years. I am very interested to know your theory.

Well, perhaps you know about this better than professors and Arabists :rolleyes:


lol, Moor were Berbers who in these times were white, for start with :picard1:

A great majority of Amazigh today are also mixed as a result of Arab colonialism, but it is undeniable (yet continuously denied) that the original "Berber" (a derogatory word by the Roman Empire that means "barbarian" ) the Moors were 100% black , as described by the unmistakeable artwork, Roman historian accounts and the large population of black Tuareg Amazigh still present today. It is no different the was modern Egyptians are now Arab/mixed but were originally 100%black . Since the Arabs were the first to invade and enslave Africa/Egypt , To say the Egyptians and Amazigh were Arab is like saying the native Americans were white

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/fcf92d01fc42924ab3e6d1083032a926.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/12c18858edbf7d953a6c3516d2a122f7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/5903c62dd272fadb5f57d199e294a123.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/8289f50ea8cf60feb719fb6c673b47fc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/8cb20f83548e2d8ac96ba2d76130a0f5.jpg


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[GitazO]

Cool avatar
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lol right [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] lmaooooo


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[GitazO]

You look very latino. Brazilian/Colombian is my will be my first guess. You don't look like pure spanish/Amazigh/native. You are mix.

Thanks for the reply, I agree. Mixed with what? Native or black?

It's confusing because my father denies any mix, yet apparently even the Andalusia are mixed just as many modern Amazigh (except the Tuareg) are since the Moors used to be black . Many Amazigh today still are black


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[GitazO]

You're posting cherrypicked images of tanned people. Guys living in a very hot Mediterranean climate.

This is Fabrizio Corona with less tanning:

http://nst.sky.it/content/dam/static/contentimages/original/sezioni/tg24/cronaca/2015/01/28/corona_fotogramma.jpg

https://dileidemosite.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/fabrizio-corona-getty-1217.jpg?w=786&strip=all

Another case of tanned European, clearly.

You don't know what you're talking about.

The black Amazigh "berbers" lived and ruled in Andalusia for over 400 years, and you're saying there was absolutely no intermarriage and interbreeding? In over 400 years ? No genetic impact? Definitely no way that's where the dark populations of old Andalusia and Sicily got their melanin rich dark skin from right? Sure, all black people were expelled but it's known that mixed race people were allowed to stay if they became Catholic and assimilated.

This is why parts of Andalusia and Sicily had such significantly dark skin. This is proven not only by historical accounts and documentation but also by modern genetics tests. The only counter argument presented so far is simply denial


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[Hamlet]

Gay triracial

[Hamlet]

The black Amazigh "berbers" lived and ruled in Andalusia for over 400 years, and you're saying there was absolutely no intermarriage and interbreeding? In over 400 years ? No genetic impact? Definitely no way that's where the dark populations of old Andalusia and Sicily got their melanin rich dark skin from right? Sure, all black people were expelled but it's known that mixed race people were allowed to stay if they became Catholic and assimilated.

This is why parts of Andalusia and Sicily had such significantly dark skin. This is proven not only by historical accounts and documentation but also by modern genetics tests. The only counter argument presented so far is simply denial


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Not true at all, that's not why they have dark skin, though mixing would have obviously occurred.

[Hamlet]

A great majority of Amazigh today are also mixed as a result of Arab colonialism, but it is undeniable (yet continuously denied) that the original "Berber" (a derogatory word by the Roman Empire that means "barbarian" ) the Moors were 100% black , as described by the unmistakeable artwork, Roman historian accounts and the large population of black Tuareg Amazigh still present today. It is no different the was modern Egyptians are now Arab/mixed but were originally 100%black . Since the Arabs were the first to invade and enslave Africa/Egypt , To say the Egyptians and Amazigh were Arab is like saying the native Americans were white

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/fcf92d01fc42924ab3e6d1083032a926.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/12c18858edbf7d953a6c3516d2a122f7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/5903c62dd272fadb5f57d199e294a123.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/8289f50ea8cf60feb719fb6c673b47fc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171109/8cb20f83548e2d8ac96ba2d76130a0f5.jpg


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https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/print/8.000/6.375/break/images/artworkimages/medium/1/egyptian-circumcision-troy-caperton.jpg

[GitazO]

Gay triracial

Sorry buddy, I know you were hoping but you gonna have to look somewhere else batty boy bombaclat

https://youtu.be/QaLY6lWVMFA


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[GitazO]

Gay triracial

Keep your gay comments to yourself batty boy


https://youtu.be/keHaohi-fww


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[GitazO]

https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/print/8.000/6.375/break/images/artworkimages/medium/1/egyptian-circumcision-troy-caperton.jpg

Oh ok I get it , you're Ashkenazy Jewish so you prefer the creepy af version where the rabbi uses his mouth? Fucking gross

Here's an article for you buddy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170825/New-York-wants-ban-Jewish-circumcision-ritual-causes-fatal-HERPES-babies.html



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[GitazO]

Not true at all, that's not why they have dark skin, though mixing would have obviously occurred.

Obviously [emoji849]

"Southern Europeans More African Than Thought

Southern Europeans get a significant portion of their genetic ancestry from North Africa, new research suggests. The findings are perhaps not surprising, given that the Romans occupied North Africa and set up extensive trade routes in the region, and the Moors, a North African people, ruled a medieval territory called El-Andalus on the Iberian Peninsula. "The higher level of genetic variation in Southern Europeans reflects gene flow from North Africa during historical times. We're talking about the last 2,000 years, really from the Middle Ages during which there was occupation in Spain," said study co-author Carlos Bustamante, a geneticist at Stanford University."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/37092-southern-europeans-have-african-genes.html


Denial


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[Pigling]

Tri-Racial.

[JohnSmith]

Obviously [emoji849]

"Southern Europeans More African Than Thought

Southern Europeans get a significant portion of their genetic ancestry from North Africa, new research suggests. The findings are perhaps not surprising, given that the Romans occupied North Africa and set up extensive trade routes in the region, and the Moors, a North African people, ruled a medieval territory called El-Andalus on the Iberian Peninsula. "The higher level of genetic variation in Southern Europeans reflects gene flow from North Africa during historical times. We're talking about the last 2,000 years, really from the Middle Ages during which there was occupation in Spain," said study co-author Carlos Bustamante, a geneticist at Stanford University."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/37092-southern-europeans-have-african-genes.html


Denial


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Who really cares if they are.

[GitazO]

Who really cares if they are.

Anyone who is mixed. Almost everyone has a desire to know their ancestry and roots

https://youtu.be/ZROcsZWjbGk


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[JohnSmith]

Anyone who is mixed. Almost everyone has a desire to know their ancestry and roots

https://youtu.be/ZROcsZWjbGk


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Well then I see why you care,, you are quite mixed. You are an example of what people will look like in the future.

[Odin]

You are an example of what people will look like in the future.

Everywhere?:confused:

[JohnSmith]

Everywhere?:confused:

In the Americas it is looking that way don't you think? It is actually quite rare to be born white in the world.

[GitazO]

In the Americas it is looking that way don't you think? It is actually quite rare to be born white in the world.

I don't believe in the melting pot theory, I don't think everyone lookin. Personally, The same is any kind of desirable goal, that would be like only one kind of plant left on the earth, would be bland af. If it did happen tho, .The majority of the world is black, if everyone mixed, everyone would be black


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[Odin]

In the Americas it is looking that way don't you think? It is actually quite rare to be born white in the world.

I don't put much stock into this kind of forecasting. You never know what the immigration trends will be in a generation or two.

[JohnSmith]

I don't put much stock into this kind of forecasting. You never know what the immigration trends will be in a generation or two.

The USA is way more mixed than it was when I was a child. People are also liberalizing their beliefs. White parents are also having less children.

[GiCa]

interesting

you could be a mix guy, with one european parent of european plus i guess more likely South american or indian
you could be South american
you could be South european till central european

[Wadaad]

The future of Europe

[GiCa]

Mixed. You can't pass as Spanish or Portuguese.

he Can instead

[GiCa]

You look heavily mixed but possibly mostly European.


Everyone would see you as mixed in any part of Brazil mostly due to the relatively dark skin.

that s not dark skin. he s clearly tanned

[GitazO]

The future of Europe

Seen! The ancient future

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Dobruja_Thrachttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/15410bfdc22ba2ed7c19a340c700296f.jpge_1.htm


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[Wadaad]

Seen! The ancient future

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Dobruja_Thrachttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/15410bfdc22ba2ed7c19a340c700296f.jpge_1.htm


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Turkic eyes and Negroid nose.

[GiCa]

So in Spain they Gitanos are different from the Roma of India

He says "Spanish" ancestry but most people in Spain are white, and most white people dont perceive us as white


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you are more fair skinned and fair featured than a good chunk of the people from Portugal-spain.

[GitazO]

interesting

you could be a mix guy, with one european parent of european plus i guess more likely South american or indian
you could be South american
you could be South european till central european

That's fascinating to hear, I've always identified strongly with my Native ancestry even though the earliest known ancestors we can trace is Shawnee grandparents many generations back on my moms side who otherwise looks like a white lady
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/533b6dd09b06d3d66b4c1f2a72e0136f.jpg


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[JohnSmith]

The future of Europe

I think more so the future of the Americas. Europe will take much longer.

[GitazO]

you are more fair skinned and fair featured than a good chunk of the people from Portugal-spain.

I can see that, I have a white Mom.

What do you make of https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/f9d7c10d48ec626c02eaf4bed5626426.jpgmy grandmother and father?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/2e3b62d7ea545b433e54e950ad400f88.jpg


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[GitazO]

I don't put much stock into this kind of forecasting. You never know what the immigration trends will be in a generation or two.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/04a74783c4e921853c3aa7ee31e32304.jpg



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[GiCa]

That's fascinating to hear, I've always identified strongly with my Native ancestry even though the earliest known ancestors we can trace is Shawnee grandparents many generations back on my moms side who otherwise looks like a white lady
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/533b6dd09b06d3d66b4c1f2a72e0136f.jpg


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people who are genetically 70% european and 30% native just end looking like european. they are impossible to tell apart

[JohnSmith]

That's fascinating to hear, I've always identified strongly with my Native ancestry even though the earliest known ancestors we can trace is Shawnee grandparents many generations back on my moms side who otherwise looks like a white lady



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You are only a little bit darker than I am.

[GiCa]

You are only a little bit darker than I am.

he s clearly tanned

[Odin]

The USA is way more mixed than it was when I was a child. People are also liberalizing their beliefs. White parents are also having less children.

There was a lot of mixing that happened in the past (there still was a huge shortage of white women, even in the relatively well settled Virginia the female/male ratio was 1/3, farther out west in more dangerous territories we're talking probably 100/1 or worse), though most of it seems one-sided. But we had small multiracial isolate groups and biracial groups here as well spread out through the country (not including the Louisiana territory). Some of these groups may not exist anymore as they were, because of marrying out and the tendency to want to marry white or pass for white in order to avoid discrimination. It will take at least 10-12 generations of mixing ethnicities to be mixed like Latin America. Also, Liberalism is dying.

[JohnSmith]

There was a lot of mixing that happened in the past (there still was a huge shortage of white women, even in the relatively well settled Virginia the female/male ratio was 1/3, farther out west in more dangerous territories we're talking probably 100/1 or worse), though most of it seems one-sided. But we had small multiracial isolate groups and biracial groups here as well spread out through the country (not including the Louisiana territory). Some of these groups may not exist anymore as they were, because of marrying out and the tendency to want to marry white or pass for white in order to avoid discrimination. It will take at least 10-12 generations of mixing ethnicities to be mixed like Latin America. Also, Liberalism is dying.


10-12 seems a bit high,, I think it is less than that.

[GitazO]

he s clearly tanned

I'm not really tanned actually that's my skin tone, but I agree w everything else


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[GitazO]

You are only a little bit darker than I am.

I can see that


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[Token]

that s not dark skin. he s clearly tanned

Like he wrote, he is not.

[JohnSmith]

Like he wrote, he is not.

I agree he looks naturally brownish. I get very tan but it fades.

[GiCa]

They look south american

But trust me, in europe you can find atoctonous since ever darker people than you and them

A good chunk of people in Europe is more dark featured than you

[Token]

I agree he looks naturally brownish. I get very tan but it fades.

You are lucky, i live in Brazil, a pretty sunny country, and sun just burns me.

[JohnSmith]

You are lucky, i live in Brazil and sun just burns me.

I only get burned in the beginning of the summer.

[GiCa]

Common looks in europe and findable in a good portion.

Latin Americans? No: europeans
https://immagini.insella.it/sites/default/files/styles/contenuto-news-big-anteprima/public/news_anteprima/2017/06/marc_0.jpg?itok=bFn_R8hJ

[GiCa]

Common looks in europe and findable in a good portion.

Latin Americans? No: europeans
https://immagini.insella.it/sites/default/files/styles/contenuto-news-big-anteprima/public/news_anteprima/2017/06/marc_0.jpg?itok=bFn_R8hJ

[Token]

Common looks in europe and findable in a good portion.

Latin Americans? No: europeans
https://immagini.insella.it/sites/default/files/styles/contenuto-news-big-anteprima/public/news_anteprima/2017/06/marc_0.jpg?itok=bFn_R8hJ

He doesn't look Latin American at all, he is clearly Europoid.

[GitazO]

Common looks in europe and findable in a good portion.

Latin Americans? No: europeans
https://immagini.insella.it/sites/default/files/styles/contenuto-news-big-anteprima/public/news_anteprima/2017/06/marc_0.jpg?itok=bFn_R8hJ

Interesting, is this guys Spanish?


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[GiCa]

Marc Marquez is as dark as costal Algerians, levante and as some south Americans.. The latter because South Americans have his same genes

[GiCa]

Interesting, is this guys Spanish?


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He is. Pure catalano.. And probably next winner of motogp

[GiCa]

Pure catalano

Busquets
http://www.namespedia.com/image/Busquet_4.jpg

[JohnSmith]

Common looks in europe and findable in a good portion.

Latin Americans? No: europeans
https://immagini.insella.it/sites/default/files/styles/contenuto-news-big-anteprima/public/news_anteprima/2017/06/marc_0.jpg?itok=bFn_R8hJ

The OP looks SSA somewhat to me.

[GiCa]

Pure Spanish, showgirl that married an Italian actor Rico munos
http://m.donnamoderna.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/gossip/rocio-bova/rocio-morales/90814849-1-ita-IT/rocio-morales_o_su_horizontal_fixed.jpg

[Black Panther]

I see you as mixed, but not SSA.

[GiCa]

Pure Spanish actor who did shows in Italy, jonas
http://static.televisionando.it/televisionando/fotogallery/845X0/125725/jonas-berami.jpg

[Odin]

10-12 seems a bit high,, I think it is less than that.

For us to look like him.

[GitazO]

Marc Marquez is as dark as costal Algerians, levante and as some south Americans.. The latter because South Americans have his same genes

This is what's confusing because from what I understand the conquistadors were white Visigoth/Vandal descent https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/065d47f53f6ba91e3f33250c53246e75.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/1fce474cb260554a440b7422538e8464.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/b04822422b8f0e69115244fac796a316.jpg


King Philip of Spain :https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/914377cdf1741c0ab29a45c63983cd7c.jpg


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[JohnSmith]

For us to look like him.

California is already majority minority. It would probably happen much faster then we think.

[Odin]

California is already majority minority. It would probably happen much faster then we think.

Maybe, but most of the Northern, rural, Central Valley, Mountain and Southern Inland Empire areas are stalwartly conservative!

[GiCa]

This is what's confusing because from what I understand the conquistadors were white Visigoth/Vandal descent https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/065d47f53f6ba91e3f33250c53246e75.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/1fce474cb260554a440b7422538e8464.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/b04822422b8f0e69115244fac796a316.jpg


King Philip of Spain :https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/914377cdf1741c0ab29a45c63983cd7c.jpg


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They were from hidalgo family. Spanish member can illuminate us about the possibility of hidalgo families being more fair featured on average than common people.. But I doubt

I think they could have too the complexion of Marc Marquez

[Bolsonaro2018]

What do americans consider you in US?

[Odin]

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https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1481/81/1481811404424.png

[RMuller]

Southern Inland Empire areas are stalwartly conservative!

The Inland Empire is more conservative than LA and the Bay area .

The Inland empire has 4 Democratic congressman and many Demo state senate and many Demo assembly members. The Inland Empire has a gay Democratic Congressman.

[Odin]

The Inland empire has 4 Democratic congressman and many Demo state senate and many Demo assembly members. The Inland Empire has a gay Democratic Congressman.

That was recent. It used to be a GOP stronghold in California. Republicans hold most countywide offices in Riverside and San Bernardino counties, and majorities on both counties’ boards of supervisors.

[JMack]

This GitazO guy + GiCa is a festival of trolling.

lol at saying this guy is lighter than Iberians... He can't pass as Spanish or Portuguese.

These are average Iberians:

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/128E9/production/_98490067_chelseamidfieldercescfabregas.jpg

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Real+Madrid+goalkeeper+Iker+Casillas+presents+H3cr DyMNfagx.jpg

http://f1.imgci.com/PICTURES/CMS/31000/31075.11.jpg

[GiCa]

... And they are darker than him indeed

[JohnSmith]

... And they are darker than him indeed

The guy looks Tri-Racial I think.

[Argentano]

You look tri racial. NO you cannot pass as average spaniard.

[GitazO]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1481/81/1481811404424.png

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/7ad92085c6def26c577255b700248209.jpg


https://sites.google.com/site/naomiastral/ancient-kemet/trosetta-stone-the-tamahouhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/effa368c78c0de99e1de5f823a0aff23.jpg

The first Kings



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[GitazO]

What do americans consider you in US?

I don't really know that's why I ask. Mostly Latino is guess but sometimes people think I'm half or 1/4 black even tho I have no black grandparents as far as I know. Except my Shawnee great great grandfather definitely looks possibly mixed Native wth a little African

It's a trip because white folks don't accept me as white, and some black people think I'm a white guy. It's like I'm not enough of ether to be accepted by any


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[GitazO]

... And they are darker than him indeed

Lol hold up, darker than those white af soccer players above? No way. Maybe than the examples you posted earlier but. It those guys lol


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[GitazO]

I see you as mixed, but not SSA.

I understand but What mix do you see ?

In my grandmother and father? Other than my white mom's native great grandparents, they are where I get my color/mixhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/66f20efeb9e1d0e0d188314da2b609a0.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/602f10c2cbd386afc0c5a9ad9f31eb2b.jpg


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[wvwvw]

Puerto Rican perhaps

[Black Panther]

I understand but What mix do you see ?

In my grandmother and father? Other than my white mom's native great grandparents, they are where I get my color/mixhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/66f20efeb9e1d0e0d188314da2b609a0.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/602f10c2cbd386afc0c5a9ad9f31eb2b.jpg


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Slightly MENA and some Amerindian I would say.

[teodor11]

you should be middle east christian.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

You look like a generic antifa drug addict. If that were really you because you're most likely just a bad troll.

[Tong]

You look moroccan imo

[GitazO]

You look like a generic antifa drug addict. If that were really you because you're most likely just a bad troll.

https://youtu.be/EfO00lVC5N4


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[GitazO]

Slightly MENA and some Amerindian I would say.

I see that too, that's why I guess Amazigh most likely. (If it's "Spanish" ancestry as they say.)

This is my grandmother's mom , she could be where she gets her mixhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/eb0f32d60b900b2367af4935ceb51b1b.jpg


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[GitazO]

You look moroccan imo

I agree, I've though this. That's why I've guessed my ancestry of color to be Amazigh


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[GitazO]

Puerto Rican perhaps

I felt most at home there than anywhere I've ever been. But most Puerto Rican's have more Taino Native or African


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[GitazO]

Slightly MENA and some Amerindian I would say.

My iPhone doesn't let me correct typos on this app. I meant to say my grandmothers Mom looks mixed

I think her and my dad look MENA as well


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[GitazO]

... And they are darker than him indeed

I can't correct typos on this app. I meant to say those Iberian guys are white af and definitely not darker than me. Maybe the examples you showed earlier, look just as dark as me, (they are probably Amazigh mix, even tho they may not know it)


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[Black Panther]

My iPhone doesn't let me correct typos on this app. I meant to say my grandmothers Mom looks mixed

I think her and my dad look MENA as well


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They do. I could even guess her as being somewhat Louisiana creole, but I think they both pass as MENA.

[GitazO]

Pure catalano

Busquets
http://www.namespedia.com/image/Busquet_4.jpg

Definitely mixed Amazigh. Pure catallano would be those white af conquistadorshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/213a5d7897bb590c4a0c77b222806b00.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/31079cae82e4b9adb06227197d4064f8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/053f16d42a0b9b56a6651c8b3fb358bc.jpg


He looks mixed just like modern Amazigh are:https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/f037aad5bdfb24bc9793bd903bfc5669.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/d58cff5737deedc75ecade775534444c.jpg


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[GitazO]

This GitazO guy + GiCa is a festival of trolling.

lol at saying this guy is lighter than Iberians... He can't pass as Spanish or Portuguese.

These are average Iberians:

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/128E9/production/_98490067_chelseamidfieldercescfabregas.jpg

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Real+Madrid+goalkeeper+Iker+Casillas+presents+H3cr DyMNfagx.jpg

http://f1.imgci.com/PICTURES/CMS/31000/31075.11.jpg

Lmao, You call someone troll for countering your false statements with facts and information lol what ok.

I do agree with you, I'm definitely a lot darker than these guys, they look white af, and more Iberian since it's supposed to be Visigoth/Vandal decent like the conquistadors were. Which really proves the point that the dark skin Spaniards that is the common stereotype and a decent part of the population, like a few others GiCa posted are mixed Amazigh from the Moors

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/58f7a9bd61bcd0c8bf3285dba7d5b0ed.jpg


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[GitazO]

Pure Spanish, showgirl that married an Italian actor Rico munos
http://m.donnamoderna.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/gossip/rocio-bova/rocio-morales/90814849-1-ita-IT/rocio-morales_o_su_horizontal_fixed.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/203ba72183ee68d7b08d1e93cbbc80a7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/12bb5edeb8259a56f59dd82152c3f86e.jpg


She's mixed Amazigh for sure. Thanks to the Moors. Pure Spanish is Visigoth/Vandal germanic or Galacia Celtic or Basque


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[GitazO]

They do. I could even guess her as being somewhat Louisiana creole, but I think they both pass as MENA.

Who looks Creole, my grandmother's mother? I could see that I thought she looks mixed with a little Black or Native also like others in Columbia (that picture was taken in Cali Columbia)

Do you think I look MENA or mixed MENA as well or just my father?


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[Token]

Lmao, You call someone troll for countering your false statements with facts and information lol what ok.

I do agree with you, I'm definitely a lot darker than these guys, they look white af, and more Iberian since it's supposed to be Visigoth/Vandal decent like the conquistadors were. Which really proves the point that the dark skin Spaniards that is the common stereotype and a decent part of the population, like a few others GiCa posted are mixed Amazigh from the Moors

:picard1:

[GitazO]

:picard1:

What is :picard1: ?


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[Vožd]

Look like Mestizo to me.

[Token]

What is :picard1: ?


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Do you really think that light-complexioned Iberians (that is not even the case of these guys, they are pretty average in Iberia) are simply descended from Germanic tribes? Genetics is more complex than that, mate. If you do a autossomal test in two full-blooded Iberians from the same area, they will score very similar results, even if one is blonde with blue eyes and the other dark-haired with dark brown eyes and tanned skin. The impact of Goths, Vandals and, in the northwest corner of the peninsula, Suebis, is certainly there, but not really important, just like the impact of the earlier Roman invaders. Iberians are, for the most part, the same population since the Bronze Age, when Bell-Beaker-ish Proto Q-Celtic speakers with high doses of Steppic-like Indo-European ancestry invaded and replaced roughly half of the total population of the peninsula, mixing with the already present Pre-Celtic tribes and introducing the Celtic languages that would be later replaced by Italic languages, imposed by the Roman elite (Source: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/10/134254). It's noticeable that your knowledge about genetics is pitiable, do some research before starting a discussion.

[Antimage]

Slightly MENA and some Amerindian I would say.
NA is ssa admixed.

[GitazO]

Do you really think that light-complexioned Iberians (that is not even the case of these guys, they are pretty average in Iberia) are simply descended from Germanic tribes? Genetics is more complex than that, mate. If you do a autossomal test in two full-blooded Iberians from the same area, they will score very similar results, even if one is blonde with blue eyes and the other dark-haired with dark brown eyes and tanned skin. The impact of Goths, Vandals and, in the northwest corner of the peninsula, Suebis, is certainly there, but not really important, just like the impact of the earlier Roman invaders. Iberians are, for the most part, the same population since the Bronze Age, when Bell-Beaker-ish Proto Q-Celtic speakers with high doses of Steppic-like Indo-European ancestry invaded and replaced roughly half of the total population of the peninsula, mixing with the already present Pre-Celtic tribes and introducing the Celtic languages that would be later replaced by Italic languages, imposed by the Roman elite (Source: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/10/134254). It's noticeable that your knowledge about genetics is pitiable, do some research before starting a discussion

People go through such elaborate efforts to deny the African influence in history and genetics. Your knowledge of history that isn't white washed denial is pitable

"Do some research before starting a discussion"? Boy, fuck outta here telling people how to discuss. Decolonize your mind


Iberia was black African before the arrival of albino peoples

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/ccf237021c083afd5d5680c67ac05088.jpg


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[Damião de Góis]

This GitazO guy + GiCa is a festival of trolling.


Funnily the OP looks like the male version of GiCa.

[GitazO]

Do you really think that light-complexioned Iberians (that is not even the case of these guys, they are pretty average in Iberia) are simply descended from Germanic tribes? Genetics is more complex than that, mate. If you do a autossomal test in two full-blooded Iberians from the same area, they will score very similar results, even if one is blonde with blue eyes and the other dark-haired with dark brown eyes and tanned skin. The impact of Goths, Vandals and, in the northwest corner of the peninsula, Suebis, is certainly there, but not really important, just like the impact of the earlier Roman invaders. Iberians are, for the most part, the same population since the Bronze Age, when Bell-Beaker-ish Proto Q-Celtic speakers with high doses of Steppic-like Indo-European ancestry invaded and replaced roughly half of the total population of the peninsula, mixing with the already present Pre-Celtic tribes and introducing the Celtic languages that would be later replaced by Italic languages, imposed by the Roman elite (Source: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/10/134254). It's noticeable that your knowledge about genetics is pitiable, do some research before starting a discussion

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/7d4e135fbed4a511d0654ebb6fc269e4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/c8beccd46466378a6022a334c3fd245a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/a35777ba973dcbd1d3fd57793344b949.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/7cf100dd741da99f75c300c7c2ba8a68.jpg

White People are Dravidians with Albinism from India

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/White_people.htm


Do some more research before commenting about anything

Skin color does not adapt to weather conditions as shown by the many melanated peoples in just as cold and colder climates with less sun like the Inuit/Eskimo , Mongolians, Fuegians of Tierra Del Fuego

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/11a34c1c2df9aa9cef7e24225e5e64db.jpg




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[Token]

People go through such elaborate efforts to deny the African influence in history and genetics. Your knowledge of history that isn't white washed denial is pitable

"Do some research before starting a discussion"? Boy, fuck outta here telling people how to discuss. Decolonize your mind

Iberia was black African before the arrival of albino peoples [/IMG]
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Do you think you will upset Iberians using such unscientific retarded arguments? You are clearly a troll, a very dumb one, and is just making people laugh at your face.

[GitazO]

Do you think you will upset Iberians using such unscientific retarded arguments? You are clearly a troll, a very dumb one, and is just making people laugh at your face.


Nothing wrong with being albino buddy, try not to be so butt hurt

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[GitazO]

Do you think you will upset Iberians using such unscientific retarded arguments? You are clearly a troll, a very dumb one, and is just making people laugh at your face.

LolK

"Vitamin D Production after UVB Exposure Depends on Baseline Vitamin D and Total Cholesterol but Not on Skin Pigmentation"

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022202X15347035

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/c56651bea1a776b8617c3c35043d76b0.jpg


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[GitazO]

Turkic eyes and Negroid nose.

Looks San/Khoisan to me, the ancient ancestors of all Asian/Mongolian/Native people

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Dobruja_Thrace_1.htm

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/8d9350acf56846c7ace0c67a1baed660.jpg


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[GitazO]

He's clearly mixed like modern mixed Amazigh, and is indistinguishable from many people in Morroco, tho he seems to have a little more white genetics than the other examples QUOTE=GiCa;4762653]Pure Spanish actor who did shows in Italy, jonas
http://static.televisionando.it/televisionando/fotogallery/845X0/125725/jonas-berami.jpg[/QUOTE]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/ff4fddfa6db0a850655e79c930a2545a.jpg


Of course the original Amazigh were black and the modern mixed people are mulattos https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/a58a348c5a1585c38976007fceafa120.jpg


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[Odin]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/7ad92085c6def26c577255b700248209.jpg

http://oi65.tinypic.com/11scwol.jpg

[GitazO]

https://sites.google.com/site/naomiastral/ancient-kemet/trosetta-stone-the-tamahouhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/24ee7e5c9148408abe93d1c06efbde96.jpg


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[GitazO]

http://oi65.tinypic.com/11scwol.jpg

https://sites.google.com/site/naomiastral/ancient-kemet/trosetta-stone-the-tamahou

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/f401c999357eaea677c1aba815274dd9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/d0ed5d3f6779c446208ce2115f2f3543.jpg

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/White_people.htm

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/35bbdaded45824adb44b4e22c30ca764.jpg


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[Decius]

https://sites.google.com/site/naomiastral/ancient-kemet/trosetta-stone-the-tamahouhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/24ee7e5c9148408abe93d1c06efbde96.jpg


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negroes have done nothing watch youre mouth boy you will be knocked out by these guys


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvxQLlmEG_s

[GitazO]

negroes have done nothing watch youre mouth boy you will be knocked out by these guys


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvxQLlmEG_s

Lmaooooo no one wants to see your gay porn collection bro, got damn keep that to yourself






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[GitazO]

negroes have done nothing watch youre mouth boy you will be knocked out by these guys


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvxQLlmEG_s

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[Decius]

Lmaooooo no one wants to see your gay porn collection bro, got damn keep that to yourself






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Lmao no one wants to see youre shitty nigger memes that are anti white

[Decius]

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Only in youre dreams bitch

[GitazO]

negroes have done nothing watch youre mouth boy you will be knocked out by these guys


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvxQLlmEG_s


They literally created white people

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/7f551925f4abfffd00e021eff8ebc6a1.jpg


Lmaoooo for real tho why you watching half naked men wtf I'm good, keep that to yourself buddy




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[Decius]

They literally created white people

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/7f551925f4abfffd00e021eff8ebc6a1.jpg


Lmaoooo for real tho why you watching half naked men wtf I'm good, keep that to yourself buddy




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Go fuck youre self gay mullato negro I hate gays and idiots like you

[GitazO]

Go fuck youre self gay mullato negro I hate gays and idiots like you

Lmaooooo I know you were wishing that's true to make yourself feel better about watching a bunch shirtless men but you'll have to look somewhere else, I don't want to see your gay porn bro fuck outta here batty boy bombaclat

https://youtu.be/keHaohi-fww




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[JohnSmith]

Go fuck youre self gay mullato negro I hate gays and idiots like you

Chill Out no reason to get so worked up.

[GitazO]

Only in youre dreams bitch

Son, You're not even white, you're mixed Mongolian, embrace your roots

https://youtu.be/i0djHJBAP3U


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[Decius]

Son, You're not even white, you're mixed Mongolian, embrace your roots

https://youtu.be/i0djHJBAP3U


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Im a white slav of serbian descent None of my family look asian or have asian in there phenotype so you can go fuck youreslef

[GitazO]

Im a white slav of serbian descent None of my family look asian or have asian in there phenotype so you can go fuck youreslef



Son I saw your picture, you're mixed af , you're definitely not white, give up the denial and self hatred


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[GitazO]

Chill Out no reason to get so worked up.

Right? racist people get so butt hurt [emoji24]


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[Decius]

Son I saw your picture, you're mixed af , you're definitely not white, give up the denial and self hatred


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I think youre mistaking me for someone else dude this is how I look like not mixed at all

https://i.imgur.com/zDgRGew.png
https://i.imgur.com/GBOCK9u.jpg

[Wadaad]

I think youre mistaking me for someone else dude this is how I look like not mixed at all

https://i.imgur.com/zDgRGew.png
https://i.imgur.com/GBOCK9u.jpg

God damn, you're one dopey looking SOB

[GitazO]

I think youre mistaking me for someone else dude this is how I look like not mixed at all

https://i.imgur.com/zDgRGew.png
https://i.imgur.com/GBOCK9u.jpg

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[Decius]

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Whatever you believe man xD

[GitazO]

Whatever you believe man xD

It's science , already been proven but it's continually denied because people want to believe in genetic supremacy but there's no such thing

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[Lek]

negroes have done nothing watch youre mouth boy you will be knocked out by these guys


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvxQLlmEG_s

I would put my money on this black beast any time of the day

https://themaclife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ufc_19139s_anthony_johnson_calls_bull.jpg

[GitazO]

I would put my money on this black beast any time of the day

https://themaclife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ufc_19139s_anthony_johnson_calls_bull.jpg

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So white people are not white I am assuming? They are indians? Do you think haplogroups are fake? You are the one who is the mongoloid negroid mix, so why are you calling someone who is white, mongoloid? R you ashamed of your ancestors. Or are you mad because you arent perceived as white?





and you are basically saying that blacks are superior to whites. That is true racism.

[Gangrel]

op is on some next level shit

[crazyladybutterfly]

you look like this guy

https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE4MDAzNDE2OTk5NzU3MzI2/jason-momoa-109561656-600x600jpg.jpg

https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/PtWUGFER8onE2d07ErxSNymqE0M/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2016/10/25/945/n/1922398/017394ed580fd1810f6445.00645206_edit_img_cover_fil e_42610308_1477347803/i/Jason-Momoa-Through-Years.jpg

both show european admixture ... and both look mixed with somethimg swarthy ... but because your features are predominantly european it s hard to tell

[Hadouken]

buffalo soldiiiieeeer ...

[Fractal]

You look Southern European mixed with North African.

[GitazO]

So white people are not white I am assuming? They are indians? Do you think haplogroups are fake? You are the one who is the mongoloid negroid mix, so why are you calling someone who is white, mongoloid? R you ashamed of your ancestors. Or are you mad because you arent perceived as white?





and you are basically saying that blacks are superior to whites. That is true racism.

Nah there's nothing wrong with Albinism at all. I see nothing wrong with Albinism at all , jus a part of the great diversity of nature. And actually have vitiligo (albino spots on my body)


There is no supremacy, race is an illusion and doesn't exist


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[greasycaveman]

Nah there's nothing wrong with Albinism at all. I see nothing wrong with Albinism at all , jus a part of the great diversity of nature. And actually have vitiligo (albino spots on my body)


There is no supremacy, race is an illusion and doesn't exist


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you just cherry picked a picture of an ugly white old man, and compared it to a muscular black athlete saying that the white one thinks hes superior. Implying that the black person is superior, and that the white person is silly to think that.








and by the way.. Its called de-pigmentation, and it happens over a long time. Not just one day a bunch of albino indians ran to europe. LOL

[GitazO]

you just cherry picked a picture of an ugly white old man, and compared it to a muscular black athlete saying that the white one thinks hes superior. Implying that the black person is superior, and that the white person is silly to think that.








and by the way.. Its called de-pigmentation, and it happens over a long time. Not just one day a bunch of albino indians ran to europe. LOL

This "depigmentation" gene SLC24A5 is literally a key component of albinism:

"Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a heterogeneous and autosomal recessive disorder with hypopigmentation in the eye, hair, and skin color. Four genes, TYR, OCA2, TYRP1, and SLC45A2, have been identified as causative genes"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23364476/


Can you see a difference between the Dravidians with Albinism and a white person? No they are indistinguishable from each other. And yes, white Caucasian mummies have been found right above the himilayas in china in the Tarim basinhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/47f02ddd71bdba814acd4abd4e80e028.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/44f80bada536bb2dd5a03af11688e4ec.jpg

This is all well documented, scientifically proven and covered up, check it out:

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/White_people.htm


Btw the picture was of Steve Banon of breitbart news who thinks he's superior which is absurd

NO ONE PEOPLE IS SUPERIOR FROM ANYONE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE


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[greasycaveman]

This "depigmentation" gene SLC24A5 is literally a key component of albinism:

"Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a heterogeneous and autosomal recessive disorder with hypopigmentation in the eye, hair, and skin color. Four genes, TYR, OCA2, TYRP1, and SLC45A2, have been identified as causative genes"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23364476/


Can you see a difference between the Dravidians with Albinism and a white person? No they are indistinguishable from each other. And yes, white Caucasian mummies have been found right above the himilayas in china in the Tarim basinhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/47f02ddd71bdba814acd4abd4e80e028.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/44f80bada536bb2dd5a03af11688e4ec.jpg

This is all well documented, scientifically proven and covered up, check it out:

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/White_people.htm


Btw the picture was of Steve Banon of breitbart news who thinks he's superior which is absurd

NO ONE PEOPLE IS SUPERIOR FROM ANYONE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE


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Ok? many blacks think they are superior to whites. Many turks on here are the same way. People that are not white have hate for whites, try to make them seem less pure, because they are not pure themselves. We all came from africa so how is that black guy superior to that white guy? Any body can even be racist. You are somewhat racist towards white people and you are mostly white your self.



Racism will never end if blacks dont stop blaming modern day white people in america for slavery. It says something when 80% of the population in jails are black.



Some people are just better than others. People behave different. Have different structure.

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So if White people are albino Dravidians how come a Dravidian and European can always be told apart by a DNA test?

[Fractal]

So if White people are albino Dravidians how come a Dravidian and European can always be told apart by a DNA test?

White people and Middle easterners = Dravidian Caucasoids

[Smeagol]

White people and Middle easterners = Dravidian Caucasoids

Feel like answering my question?

[Smeagol]

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Volney recanted his position on this.
From Volney's Ruins, Or, Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires:
https://i.imgur.com/F5OOJJ8.png

[JohnSmith]

Why off topic.

[GitazO]

Ok? many blacks think they are superior to whites. Many turks on here are the same way. People that are not white have hate for whites, try to make them seem less pure, because they are not pure themselves. We all came from africa so how is that black guy superior to that white guy? Any body can even be racist. You are somewhat racist towards white people and you are mostly white your self.



Racism will never end if blacks dont stop blaming modern day white people in america for slavery. It says something when 80% of the population in jails are black.



Some people are just better than others. People behave different. Have different structure.

Ok first, I've done nothing and said nothing to be considered prejudice toward white people. I love white folks, I have a white mom and half my family is white. By suggesting the albino origins of white folks is nothing inferior, I have vitiligo albino spots and I see nothing wrong with it, it's just part of the infinite diversity of nature. If one wanted to split hairs and get technical you could say the more melanin you have gives you more uv protection from the sun which is why fair skin folks are more likely to get skin cancer, but this hardly makes anyone "superior" or inferior, it's a surface level issue with no implications beyond that. Plus, with or modern understanding of cannabis oil, skin cancer has an easy cure so it's really no big deal.

Wow this is wild. I did not expect to see so many stormfronter white supremacists on this forum, and I'm hesitant to even engage with this kind of racism but the answers to your statements are just too obvious:

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1865--> present: modern covert slavery thru mass incarceration/generational poverty.
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Slavery never ended it transformed. It was made covert so white folks dont have to see it or even know the exists. Mass incarceration is just one form of modern covert slavery, as is generational poverty/economic disparity that is literally the financial/economic aftermath of the slave trade.

Watch this film:

https://youtu.be/X1yJsaFwqDM

Also: no. Some people (ethnicities) are not just "better" than others, we are products of our environment and our circumstances. If you are born with more privileges and opportunities to advance in life, you are less likely to be in a situation of desperation and survival.

if you are going to try and discuss a crime problem you would have to also address the generations of slavery colonialism and genocide that created the conditions of extrm poverty and desperation that cause that behavior.
90% of crime is economically motivated, people literally just trying to eat and survive.

If white people had been subjected to 400 years of chattel slavery, and living with racially based economic disparity, mass incarceration , they would be suffering with a major crime problem

(Which funny enough white crime is just as bad Even with all the economic opportunities and privilege, it's only that white populations are not as condensed in one area and have the privilege of being in the open expanses of nature and didn't have their entire people herded into ghettos or reservations since slavery and genocide that they have to try and find some way out of)

Economic disparity is and always has been racially based. Racism is institutionalized into every facet of society, it was always meant to be this way.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/3a1d3174063e2cf3e936228b60af434b.jpg

Not only did slavery never end, it transformed,
But lets have a look at some charming thoughts on white supremacy by good ol' honest Abe to get a sense of the paradigm of white supremacy that was very much intended to be maintained with the "abolition"(transformation) of slavery:

Abraham Lincoln:
“And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.”

“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”

"If I could end this all tomorrow without freeing one slave I would "
http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/05/05/not-great-emancipator-10-racists-quotes-abraham-lincoln-said-black-people/

While no living white person is personally responsible for the chattel slavery of the past, every living white person inherits its benefits.

White privilege is really simple if one understands the life circumstances people of color deal with at the start.
For instance, just ONE huge example:

Economic disparity is and always has been racially based. Socioeconomic inequality disproportionately effects people of color, to put it mildly. (with very, VERY few exceptions.)

The massive wealth, financial supremacy and advantageous position of white folks today is literally the result of the transatlantic slavetrade.

The opposite is also true: The extreme poverty and disproportionate economic disparity of the black community is also the result of generations (400 years) of slavery and colonialism.

This doesn't mean that some white folks can't also experience poverty, yet even when poor they will still benefit from white privilege, whether known or not. (One of the benefits of white privilege is you don't have to think about it or even know it exists.)

By any metric- employment , plice treatment, loan rates, access education, diverse representation in the media instead of persistent portrayals of negative stereotypes, mass incarceration of black youth/school to prison pipeline---stats indicate drastically poorer outcomes for black than white Americans





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The best thing any white person can do is watch that film,
https://youtu.be/X1yJsaFwqDM
educate yourself and educate other white people

Here's another good place to start:

http://citizenshipandsocialjustice.com/2015/07/10/curriculum-for-white-americans-to-educate-themselves-on-race-and-racism/


While racial divides certainly exist and are institutionalized, (which is why "colorblind" ideology only helps to ignore persistent racism) but the actual "scientific" idea of race literally does not even exist.

https://youtu.be/-cSOd74IY4I

We are all black , white people are just the Albinos, we all come from a black mother at one point in history.

[GitazO]

So if White people are albino Dravidians how come a Dravidian and European can always be told apart by a DNA test?

They can only really be told apart on DNA test through the mutation in the SLC24A5 gene that causes insufficient melanin production, which otherwise these populations are identical, Dravidians of India and their mullato mixed folks in the north are the most similar to white folks of all the worlds peoples because they are literally the same people.

"The Genetic Heritage of the Earliest Settlers Persists Both in Indian Tribal and Caste Populations"

Authors:
T. Kivisild, S. Rootsi, [...], and R. Villems

"The phylogeography of the primal mtDNA and Y-chromosome founders suggests that these southern Asian Pleistocene coastal settlers from Africa would have provided the inocula for the subsequent differentiation of the distinctive eastern and western Eurasian gene pools."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC379225/

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"Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a heterogeneous and autosomal recessive disorder with hypopigmentation in the eye, hair, and skin color. Four genes, TYR, OCA2, TYRP1, and SLC45A2, have been identified as causative genes"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23364476/

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/Comprehensive_data_on_albinism.htm




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[GitazO]

Volney recanted his position on this.
From Volney's Ruins, Or, Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires:
https://i.imgur.com/F5OOJJ8.png

This quote is the perfect example of a cover up. white ivy league institutions and Arab "egyptologists" (the two people who invaded and enslaved Egypt/Africa) have been trying to cover up the true history of Egypt and Africa for a very long time. This is not the first faux attempt at this. Even today white scientific institutions continually publish studies trying to prove the Egyptians weren't black, yet only test the DNA of self appointed "pharoahs" of foreigners AFTER the Greek invasions.

They really have to scrape to make the counter arguments because it's fake.

There is so much evidence and proof of the blackness of ancient Egypt, (mummies, artifacts, hieroglyphs , identical African tribal culture ) that Any honest look into the artistic artifiacts and mummies themselves will prove this conversation to be ridiculous and absurd

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Mummies/Egyptian_mummies/Truth_about_egyptian_mummies.htm

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Seti I tomb:
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King Tuts tomb:
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[GitazO]

So white people are not white I am assuming? They are indians? Do you think haplogroups are fake? You are the one who is the mongoloid negroid mix, so why are you calling someone who is white, mongoloid? R you ashamed of your ancestors. Or are you mad because you arent perceived as white?





and you are basically saying that blacks are superior to whites. That is true racism.

I am not ashamed of my mix at all, I love my color and the melanin that I have. I am glad I don't sunburn and am happy with who I am. I don't believe anyone is superior to anyone, black or white, even with Albinism, with the very small exception of more melanin giving more uv protection and the fairer your skin the more susceptibility to skin cancer . This is a trivial issue that is only skin deep and can be remedied by natural medicine so it's not a big deal. Albinism is cool, vitiligo is cool, leopard spots are cool as are jaguars. It's all just nature/diversity.

I also have vitiligo and it gives me the same vulnerability to the sun in those spots and it shows me how trivial skin color is:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/e0adb46373cefac5f3ce50d720754d96.jpg

However, while anyone can be prejudice or bigoted, unfortunately, which is awful and annoying; it is literally not possible to be racist to a white person.

Webster or oxford dictionary (English and white Ivy League institutions, whose definition is conveniently created by white people) will tell you it is, but the very concept and origins of race and racism began with the institutionalized form of slavery, the offensive comments of which trigger genetic trauma of past and current racist oppression , including the generations (400 years) of chattle slavery and genocide and the modern covert slavery of mass incarceration/school to prison pipeline and racially based economical disparity

While anyone can be prejudice, unfortunately, this is the precise difference between prejudice and racism.

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"Until the philosophy which holds one race superior than another is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned, the dream of lasting peace, will remain but a fleeting illusion to be pursued but never attained."
-Haile Selassie.
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[Smeagol]

They can only really be told apart on DNA test through the mutation in the SLC24A5 gene that causes insufficient melanin production, which otherwise these populations are identical,

Yeah, no. You don't really have much knowledge of genetics. They can easily be distinguished autosomaly and an albino Dravidian will cluster with other Dravidians, not Europeans.


Dravidians of India and their mullato mixed folks in the north

There are no mulatto Indians because there is no Negroid admixture in Indians. Dravidians are not Negroids, they're a mixture between Caucasoids and Australoids with Caucasoid usually being dominant. Black supremacists include Dravidians as ''blacks'' only due to their dark skin color because skin color is literally what their entire typology is based on.


are the most similar to white folks of all the worlds peoples because they are literally the same people.

They are not. An Indian and European can always be distinguished genetically and Indian albinos can easily be distinguished from Europeans too. Of course on a world level Europeans will be closer to Indians than Negroids and Mongoloids because Indians are a predominantly Caucasoid population. Nothing surprising.


"Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a heterogeneous and autosomal recessive disorder with hypopigmentation in the eye, hair, and skin color. Four genes, TYR, OCA2, TYRP1, and SLC45A2, have been identified as causative genes"

Oculocutaneous albinism is more common in blacks than whites.
''Oculocutaneous albinism caused by mutations in the OCA2 gene is called oculocutaneous albinism type 2. The prevalence of OCA type 2 is estimated at 1/38,000-1/40,000 in most populations throughout the world, with a higher prevalence in the African population of 1/3,900-1/1,500''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCA2#cite_note-6
Hayashi, Masahiro; Suzuki, Tamio (April 2013). "Oculocutaneous albinism type 2". Orphanet.


http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/Comprehensive_data_on_albinism.htm

This website is not an authoritative source on anything. It's written by a black supremacist member of the Egyptsearch forum called Mike111.

[GitazO]

DNA tests are essentially meaningless for drawing any kind of distinct difference between people because they are wildly open to interpretation. There are tremendous amounts of scientists speaking about this, saying they are being exploited for profit and capitalizing on people's desire to know their ancestry.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.medicaldaily.com/dna-ancestry-tests-are-meaningless-your-historical-genealogy-search-244586%3famp=1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/9912822/DNA-ancestry-tests-branded-meaningless.html
Black folks have also talked at length about how the interperetstion of the haplo groups is intentionally convoluted to try and deny the albino origins of white folks. No matter how much you disagree, all the articles that say the "depigmentation" gene cause the "lightening" of Caucazoid people, it has already been shown to be a key component of albinism. Not to mention the many melanated people of the arctic like the Inuit/Eskimo and many others like the extinct Fuegians of Tierra Del Fuego and even Mongolians, severely disprove the weather adaptation theory. How come they didn't turn white either?
Albinism is certainly more common in black communities, especially India, because the entire white communities already have albinism. There are many types and subtypes, not only the rarest and most severe form of white hair and red eyes/poor eyesight. Many kinds of albinism can still have brown hair, some pigmentation and the ability to tan. (And yes, Aborgines and black Dravidians are black skin black
People. There are many phenotypes of being black, not just "SSA"

Imho I don't see any kind of "supremacist" philosophy on that website, only a frustration with the denial. It was actually written by a black Dravidian from south India. Irregardless, all of the sources referenced on there, like many I posted above, are widely published peer reviewed irrefutable scientific studies that contradict the entire weather adaptation theory

[Smeagol]

This quote is the perfect example of a cover up.

There's no cover up. He changed his opinion after seeing most of the evidence contradicted him.


Even today white scientific institutions continually publish studies trying to prove the Egyptians weren't black, yet only test the DNA of self appointed "pharoahs" of foreigners AFTER the Greek invasions.

Actually the study I assume you're referring too tested the DNA of over a hundred Egyptians from the 18th Dynasty to the Roman period and found continuity between them. They also found they were all whiter than modern Egyptians. There's been an increase in Negroid slave ancestry since the Early Middle Ages.

''ABSTRACT: Egypt, located on the isthmus of Africa, is an ideal region to study historical population dynamics due to its geographic location and documented interactions with ancient civilizations in Africa, Asia and Europe. Particularly, in the first millennium BCE Egypt endured foreign domination leading to growing numbers of foreigners living within its borders possibly contributing genetically to the local population. Here we present 90 mitochondrial genomes as well as genome-wide data sets from three individuals obtained from Egyptian mummies. The samples recovered from Middle Egypt span around 1,300 years of ancient Egyptian history from the New Kingdom to the Roman Period. Our analyses reveal that ancient Egyptians shared more ancestry with Near Easterners than present-day Egyptians, who received additional sub-Saharan admixture in more recent times. This analysis establishes ancient Egyptian mummies as a genetic source to study ancient human history and offers the perspective of deciphering Egypt’s past at a genome-wide level.''
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694


They really have to scrape to make the counter arguments because it's fake.

What's fake is afrocentrist arguments against established facts. For example you post the mummy of a Nubian fan-bearer and falsely portray it as Egyptian.


There is so much evidence and proof of the blackness of ancient Egypt, (mummies, artifacts, hieroglyphs , identical African tribal culture ) that Any honest look into the artistic artifiacts and mummies themselves will prove this conversation to be ridiculous and absurd


Picture spamming doesn't really help your case. For every supposedly black looking Egyptian artifact you post I can find 10 Caucasoid looking ones. Not to mention many of the images afrocentrics use are either Nubian or photo-shopped. DNA and physical anthropology don't lie and they both tell us who the Egyptians were.

From C. Loring Brace's 1993 study:
''The Predynastic of Upper Egypt and the Late Dynastic of Lower Egypt are more closely related to each other than to any other population. As a whole, they show ties with the European Neolithic, North Africa, modern Europe, and, more remotely, India, but not at all with sub-Saharan Africa, eastern Asia, Oceania, or the New World.''
http://wysinger.homestead.com/brace.pdf

[Smeagol]

DNA tests are essentially meaningless for drawing any kind of distinct difference between people because they are wildly open to interpretation.

Not really. They're pretty accurate at proving ancestry.


There are tremendous amounts of scientists speaking about this, saying they are being exploited for profit and capitalizing on people's desire to know their ancestry.

The articles you posted don't do a good job of proving their own point. They mostly just say that those tests aren't good for individual genealogy research which is somewhat true but they can easily tell what population or mix of populations you derive from and they would never mistake an albino Indian for a European.


Black folks have also talked at length about how the interperetstion of the haplo groups is intentionally convoluted to try and deny the albino origins of white folks.

Which is of course nonsense but i'm not talking about haplogroups which are basically irrelevant considering they make up only 1% of your entire genome, but Autosomal DNA which shows your full ancestry.


No matter how much you disagree, all the articles that say the "depigmentation" gene cause the "lightening" of Caucazoid people, it has already been shown to be a key component of albinism.

Only if that gene mutates in a way that doesn't happen in most Caucasoids. You won't find any mainstream scientists saying Whites are albinos.


Not to mention the many melanated people of the arctic like the Inuit/Eskimo and many others like the extinct Fuegians of Tierra Del Fuego and even Mongolians, severely disprove the weather adaptation theory. How come they didn't turn white either?

''As early humans started migrating north into Europe and east into Asia, they were exposed to different amounts of sun. Those who went north found their dark skin worked against them–preventing them from absorbing enough sunlight to create vitamin D. To adapt, these humans started producing less melanin.

But Inuits vitamin D intake wasn’t dependent upon the sun. They get all that they need from their diet, heavy on types of fatty fish that are naturally rich in vitamin D. The plentiful amounts of the vitamin kept them from developing less melanin. In fact, before milk was fortified with D, people living outside of Northern Canada and Alaska loaded their diets with fishy products, such as cod liver oil, to get their daily supplement. So despite their chilly climate and lack of sun exposure, it’s the Inuit diet that has kept them in their natural glow.''
http://scienceline.org/2007/06/ask-dricoll-inuiteskimos/

Also, none of the populations you mentioned are that dark, they're predominantly more of a yellowish/light brown color.


Albinism is certainly more common in black communities

True.


especially India

India is not a black community. No normal person calls Indians black as they're predominantly Caucasoid. Only self-hating blacks who are ashamed of being from Sub-Saharan Africa. Also albinism is more common in Sub-Saharan Africa than India.


because the entire white communities already have albinism.

Nonsense.


There are many types and subtypes, not only the rarest and most severe form of white hair and red eyes/poor eyesight. Many kinds of albinism can still have brown hair, some pigmentation and the ability to tan.

True and they're all more common in black populations.


And yes, Aborgines and black Dravidians are black skin black People. There are many phenotypes of being black, not just "SSA"

No, black race refers to Negroids. Dravidians are much closer in features to Caucasoids than Negroids.


Imho I don't see any kind of "supremacist" philosophy on that website, only a frustration with the denial.

He repeatedly says that ''albinos'' are inferior and natural liars. Both on his website and Egyptsearch.


It was actually written by a black Dravidian from south India.

No, it was written by a black North American calling himself Mike111.



Irregardless, all of the sources referenced on there, like many I posted above, are widely published peer reviewed irrefutable scientific studies that contradict the entire weather adaptation theory

No, he takes out parts of studies that seem to support his position, ignoring anything that contradicts him and then makes conclusions going against what the authors of the studies are really saying.

[GitazO]

There's no cover up. He changed his opinion after seeing most of the evidence contradicted him.



Actually the study I assume you're referring too tested the DNA of over a hundred Egyptians from the 18th Dynasty to the Roman period and found continuity between them. They also found they were all whiter than modern Egyptians. There's been an increase in Negroid slave ancestry since the Early Middle Ages.

''ABSTRACT: Egypt, located on the isthmus of Africa, is an ideal region to study historical population dynamics due to its geographic location and documented interactions with ancient civilizations in Africa, Asia and Europe. Particularly, in the first millennium BCE Egypt endured foreign domination leading to growing numbers of foreigners living within its borders possibly contributing genetically to the local population. Here we present 90 mitochondrial genomes as well as genome-wide data sets from three individuals obtained from Egyptian mummies. The samples recovered from Middle Egypt span around 1,300 years of ancient Egyptian history from the New Kingdom to the Roman Period. Our analyses reveal that ancient Egyptians shared more ancestry with Near Easterners than present-day Egyptians, who received additional sub-Saharan admixture in more recent times. This analysis establishes ancient Egyptian mummies as a genetic source to study ancient human history and offers the perspective of deciphering Egypt’s past at a genome-wide level.''
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694



What's fake is afrocentrist arguments against established facts. For example you post the mummy of a Nubian fan-bearer and falsely portray it as Egyptian.



Picture spamming doesn't really help your case. For every supposedly black looking Egyptian artifact you post I can find 10 Caucasoid looking ones. Not to mention many of the images afrocentrics use are either Nubian or photo-shopped. DNA and physical anthropology don't lie and they both tell us who the Egyptians were.

From C. Loring Brace's 1993 study:
''The Predynastic of Upper Egypt and the Late Dynastic of Lower Egypt are more closely related to each other than to any other population. As a whole, they show ties with the European Neolithic, North Africa, modern Europe, and, more remotely, India, but not at all with sub-Saharan Africa, eastern Asia, Oceania, or the New World.''
http://wysinger.homestead.com/brace.pdf

Find 10 caucaZoid Egyptians that's hilarious. Find the best fake /alteration you can find it's always so obvious.

The most typical and predictable response is to try and suggest any black person in Egypt was Nubian when we all know there are many shades of black people--not only the jet black Sudanese of Sudan , who would have been the "Nubian" as its claimed.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/5d3ef0b828c93bec9b7f4c49e60be846.jpg

Not only do many African tribes such as the Himba paint themselves red for the same spiritual reasons SOME hieroglyphs were,
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but within the diversity of black African people there are red hued people like the black Habesha people of Ethiopia and Eritrea
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Seeing the reality of the blackness of ancient Egypt also does not make you a "supremacist" , its plain to see and obvious for anyone who isn't racist. Egypt is not only literally in Africa, but they depicted themselves very clearly as black people in their artwork and their mummies confirm this to be true. Calling North Africans like the ancient Egyptians Arab is like calling the native Americans white, because Arabs were the first to invade and enslave Africa even before Europeans.

Images speak the loudest, and truest. Not one of those pictures was photoshopped and are actual photographs shared even by nat geo and other publications who deny their blackness. Which is why it's so absurd it could even be denied because it's so obvious

Rather than listening to each other's bullshit and ideology, all one has to do is LOOK. Calling images of actual artifacts "spam" doesn't do much good for your case because it is outright denial and cognitive dissonance.

I can only imagine you'll present an image of Ramses, in which I'll reply with:

The Albino people routinely trot out supposed Egyptian mummies with "High/Narrow" Nose Bridges and straight hair, such as with Ramses II and Tuya, and confidently tell us that the Mummy is that of a particular Egyptian King, Queen, or Noble person. Though it's true that some Blacks have that phenotype, it still feels uncomfortable to us, plus those Mummies seem to bear no resemblance to statues of the person in question. Lets take the example of Ramses II first:
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/09b8e97cbc55e0c529e3ded9682a3195.jpg

Not surprisingly, there is no resemblance between the supposed mummy of Ramses and his statue.

In all of his statues, Ramses II is depicted as a rather "Round" faced man,

while the Mummy is of a "Long" faced man.

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As a matter of fact, the "SUPPOSED" Mummy of Ramses II above,

looks more like a White man, and nothing like his statues.

Further - the Mummy of Seti I, the father of Ramses II, is Black skinned (as are the paintings in his tomb)

and looks nothing like the supposed Mummy of his son Ramses II.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/54b1e616a38fd0d2d7f2b451738733f6.jpg


The supposed Mummy of Merenptah, one of the black sons of Ramses II

also looks nothing like the supposed Mummy of his father Ramses II

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This conversation just gets more and more absurd the deeper you go into it because it comes down to outright racist denial.
This is an actual photograph on paintings inside of Ramses fathers tomb Seti I , which is full of black people and is the largest collection of murals in all of Egypt https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/042bfa1ed04cb420702d4c5a8daadace.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/8020511e2438dcb64cdfb4625f1551dc.jpg

Not to mention, not only is the actual dates of Kemet (Egypt is a Greek word which they never actually used) far older than the Arab "Egyptologists" ascribe to ancient Egypt as clearly shown in the rainfall weather erosion on the Sphinx , which would take thousands of years of heavy rainfall to create which hasn't occurred in the Sahara desert in over 10,000 years. The fact that this is rainfall erosion and not sand is also plain to see for an untrained eye as they are so distinct from each other to be able to tell apart and has also been confirmed by geologists yet denied by "Egyptologists" this would explain the discrepancy of dates in those faux DNA studies (which could have easily been faked) even though the "Egyptians" themselves date their own civilization far older than the " official" dates of "egyptologists" allow for https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/c4a12e379210263141e031f3daaad6b2.jpg


Even still, the earliest and first dynastic king Narmer is so obviously "Sub saharan African" that he bears a striking resemblance to Mike Tysonhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/972377fddc27cbc16f30d55805faf2c0.jpg

It is so obvious why all the noses are smashed off the other statues because it's clearly an African nose. Of course they tell us that weather erosion is what removed all the noses, and assure us that no racist slave drivers were trying to hide their identity and deny their blackness .

You mean even the noses of statues inside the temples with protection from the elements had their noses weathered right off? Even their far more fragile less sturdy cobra ornament on the headdress remained intact??? Oh okay.69778
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[GitazO]

Not really. They're pretty accurate at proving ancestry.



The articles you posted don't do a good job of proving their own point. They mostly just say that those tests aren't good for individual genealogy research which is somewhat true but they can easily tell what population or mix of populations you derive from and they would never mistake an albino Indian for a European.



Which is of course nonsense but i'm not talking about haplogroups which are basically irrelevant considering they make up only 1% of your entire genome, but Autosomal DNA which shows your full ancestry.



Only if that gene mutates in a way that doesn't happen in most Caucasoids. You won't find any mainstream scientists saying Whites are albinos.



''As early humans started migrating north into Europe and east into Asia, they were exposed to different amounts of sun. Those who went north found their dark skin worked against them–preventing them from absorbing enough sunlight to create vitamin D. To adapt, these humans started producing less melanin.

But Inuits vitamin D intake wasn’t dependent upon the sun. They get all that they need from their diet, heavy on types of fatty fish that are naturally rich in vitamin D. The plentiful amounts of the vitamin kept them from developing less melanin. In fact, before milk was fortified with D, people living outside of Northern Canada and Alaska loaded their diets with fishy products, such as cod liver oil, to get their daily supplement. So despite their chilly climate and lack of sun exposure, it’s the Inuit diet that has kept them in their natural glow.''
http://scienceline.org/2007/06/ask-dricoll-inuiteskimos/

Also, none of the populations you mentioned are that dark, they're predominantly more of a yellowish/light brown color.



True.



India is not a black community. No normal person calls Indians black as they're predominantly Caucasoid. Only self-hating blacks who are ashamed of being from Sub-Saharan Africa. Also albinism is more common in Sub-Saharan Africa than India.



Nonsense.



True and they're all more common in black populations.



No, black race refers to Negroids. Dravidians are much closer in features to Caucasoids than Negroids.



He repeatedly says that ''albinos'' are inferior and natural liars. Both on his website and Egyptsearch.



No, it was written by a black North American calling himself Mike111.




No, he takes out parts of studies that seem to support his position, ignoring anything that contradicts him and then makes conclusions going against what the authors of the studies are really saying.

100% of white people have the defective SLC24A5 gene which causes albinism. This is why they called it a "depigmentation" gene, because literally every single white person has it. Yet it's been proven to be a key component in Albinism:

"Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a heterogeneous and autosomal recessive disorder with hypopigmentation in the eye, hair, and skin color. Four genes, TYR, OCA2, TYRP1, and SLC45A2, have been identified as causative genes"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23364476/

This is why genetically speaking: white genes are "recessive" and black genes are "dominant", although let me restate to clarify this is only a skin deep surface issue with no implications beyond that bthe cause we are literally all one and there is no such thing as race, besides racial divides in society

Genetics Out of Africa�
Dr. Orville Boyd Jenkins
"Recently a major molecular cause of this change in skin color has been discovered in Europeans. Specifically, the gene SLC24A5 turns out to be critical for the production of melanin, the predominant dark pigment of the skin and hair. ... 100 percent of Europeans have a mutation in SLC24A5 that impairs the function of the protein.... Asians share the fully functional version of SLC24A5, but have acquired mutations in other genes that result in lighter skin, while retaining black hair [Francis Collins, The Language of Life (NY: Harper, 2010), p 150]."

The idea that humanity has a black mother is a beautiful thought, and scientifically accepted as true. The only difference here is the ways in which the different ethnicities were created but it's very plain to see.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/3e5c3a089fe659e70f0cd68075090731.jpg

And yes, the Inuit were very dark , before the mulato populations of today:

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And unfortunately for that flimsy vitamin D theory, it's already been proven and established in peer reviewed irrefutable dermatological scientific studies that skin pigmentation has literally nothing to do with vitamin D absorption.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/18e7420ee271a5783d0e1c260b01f15f.jpg

"Vitamin D Production after UVB Exposure Depends on Baseline Vitamin D and Total Cholesterol but Not on Skin Pigmentation"

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022202X15347035

Black Dravidians are literally black, sometimes blacker than most Africans and as black as Sudanese.
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Aborgines of "Australia " are also black. There are many different phenotypes of black African people than what you call "Sub Saharan African" like that of the Habesha people of east Africa and also the widely diverse San and Khoisan people of South Africa who are the ancient ancestors of Asian/Mongolian people (south of the Sahara) https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/3519d9753051b89a7395d792421b8806.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/1544524c2dd4e7c7dbe5bfd16da13d04.jpg
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We should be more skeptical about what we consider "credible" or "official" when the very founding of both the field of biology and anthropology was literally created to prove the superiority of white people . Of course there's going to be a huge lag and denial from "official" and "credible" institutions about this reality of albinism , even though th it's been thoroughly proven , yet denied, because it challenges the notion of a more refined and evolved human being.

If you can look past the low budget format of the site, and the footnotes and highlighting over graphs and articles, you can look up every single study presented and they are verified and confirmed

It's simple really, and observable. With all honesty, Is there ANY noticeable difference between a Dravidian with Albinism and a white European? No

Back up that simple observation with the trove of studies and what more is there to say? Nothing besides The historical artifacts and coincidences confirming this observation

Albinism certainly effects people of all ethnicities. While stats on albinism by population is scarce, according to some sources, Africa's albinism is only second highest rate compared to India; which also has a documented very high rate. There has been and is indeed a prejudice and brutality toward people with Albinism in Africa , and in India, which would make sense why ancient populations with Albinism would be eager to migrate with their Dravidian/San/Khoisan relatives out of Africa in addition to escaping the intense heat. This passed down genetic trauma from the prejudice and brutality might also give some insight into the ptsd mind set that could have given rise to the origins of the brutal colonialism mentality that came many generations later.

Not only does albinism effect all ethnicities but albinism is not only the rarest and most extrm form of white hair and red eyes/poor eye sight (OCA1) as is the common misperception/misrepresentation. There are several types/subtypes of albinism; some of which (OCA2/OCA1b) can include some pigmentation in "white" skin with the ability to tan and often with brown hair, despite coming from a black mother.

While you're rightfully vigilant in detecting colorism and prejudice in any new idea, this thought is devoid of either; just as is the well documented understanding of the out of Africa "theory". We should be careful to close ourselves off to new information even when it's clearly presented before us - with provable scientific data. This idea is neutral and only depends on your perception whether it is neutral or not. While technically one could see "out of Africa" as "centrist", it still remains a widely proven likelihood. Our perception of it determines whether we view it as "centrist" , "colorist" or not. We know and understand the more melanin you have the more protection from the sun's uv radiation; which is why fair skin folks have greater risk of skin cancer. This is not a "centrist " thought, it's simply a fact. In our modern world of cannabis medication it is also trivial since skin cancer has an easy cure. (Though that may not have been the case in ancient times, since people with Albinism/fair skin would have had less of a tolerance to being in the hot sun of Africa and thus less capable hunting and farming which would likely render ancient people with Albinism in Africa dependent on others for sustenance. This dilemma of being less self sufficient in such intense heat could have possibly given rise to the resentment/prejudice toward people with Albinism that led to the superstitious beliefs that causes the brutality even today.)

In this idea of the albino origins of fair skin, there is no "centrism" as you're suggesting; it's a really logical observation backed up by irrefutable scientific studies. (Though we may have to seek the conclusions within our own reason and outside of the white supremacist domination/stronghold on the "credibility" of widely published scientific conjecture and theory; even though the science backs it up completely, and the widely published theories commonly accepted as fact continuously contradict themselves.) *The admixture of the small percentage of Neanderthal/Denisovian that all "non-Africans" have- (while still could play a significant role in our genetic make up as "non Africans") - is a well documented minuscule percentage of dna; though it does indicate there was for sure some interbreeding in that mysterious ancient past.

Given the scientific data that vitamin D production has nothing to do with skin pigmentation, that the SLC24A5 gene which is contained by 100% of all white Europeans is a proven key component of OCA1-4/OCA2 albinism, and that there are also darkly melanated people in cold climates disproving the weather adaptation theory; it is relatively easy to observe that white folks are descended from Dravidians with Albinism and that white skin Asian folks are descended from San and Khoisan South Africans with Albinism. Just as Dravidian people from India contain all the Caucasian genetic phenotypes, literally identical, (the only thing to set them apart as different is their skin color) The African San and Khoisan people, while greatly diverse, contain all of the Asian/Mongolian resembling phenotypes :https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/0cbeaa74788554638b2db560e4b4b7f7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/6c101109ef52ea647e78560cdfd1fa7b.jpg

"The Genetic Heritage of the Earliest Settlers Persists Both in Indian Tribal and Caste Populations"

Authors:
T. Kivisild, S. Rootsi, [...], and R. Villems

"The phylogeography of the primal mtDNA and Y-chromosome founders suggests that these southern Asian Pleistocene coastal settlers from Africa would have provided the inocula for the subsequent differentiation of the distinctive eastern and western Eurasian gene pools."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC379225/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/5ecd88a54d94f71862c05268c9edb49d.jpg

[Smeagol]

Find 10 caucaZoid Egyptians that's hilarious. Find the best fake /alteration you can find it's always so obvious.

Oh, so you're one of those afronuts who calls every statue he doesn't like fake.
Oh well, I'll give you ten statues anyway:
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https://mathildasdiary.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/rahotep.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/ptah-hotep.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/bust.jpg
https://mathildasdiary.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/ankhhaf.jpg
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https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/mehj.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/thutmosesiii.jpg
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/oldking.jpg


The most typical and predictable response is to try and suggest any black person in Egypt was Nubian

Most were.


when we all know there are many shades of black people--not only the jet black Sudanese of Sudan , who would have been the "Nubian" as its claimed.

No, pure Negroids are only black or very dark brown skinned.


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/5d3ef0b828c93bec9b7f4c49e60be846.jpg

This shows a Negroid Sudanese and a mixed race Horn African or Sudanese.


Not only do many African tribes such as the Himba paint themselves red for the same spiritual reasons SOME hieroglyphs were,

And those reasons are?


but within the diversity of black African people there are red hued people like the black Habesha people of Ethiopia and Eritrea

Nope, all the Semites and Cushites of Ethiopia and Eritrea are mixed race or Caucasoid


Seeing the reality of the blackness of ancient Egypt also does not make you a "supremacist" , its plain to see and obvious for anyone who isn't racist.

Apparently not plain to see for the Egyptians themselves. Ramses II holding foreign enemies by their hair, note how he looks similar to the West Asian but not the Nubian:
http://www.touregypt.net/images/touregypt/enemies4.jpg


Egypt is not only literally in Africa,

Irrelevant. Africa is a continent not a race. That's like saying Koreans and Arabs are the same race because they're both Asian.


but they depicted themselves very clearly as black people in their artwork

Clearly not.
http://www.touregypt.net/images/stories/slaves1.jpg


and their mummies confirm this to be true.

Most of the mummies are obviously Caucasoid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx0ZFdXV5bk


Calling North Africans like the ancient Egyptians Arab is like calling the native Americans white, because Arabs were the first to invade and enslave Africa even before Europeans.

I'm not calling them Arabs. They are Caucasoids that predate Arabs in Africa.


Images speak the loudest, and truest.

Nope, skeletal remains and DNA do.


Not one of those pictures was photoshopped

Some are artificially darkened and one shows a Nubian mummy.


and are actual photographs shared even by nat geo and other publications who deny their blackness. Which is why it's so absurd it could even be denied because it's so obvious

They're cherry picked. Simple as that.


Rather than listening to each other's bullshit and ideology, all one has to do is LOOK. Calling images of actual artifacts "spam" doesn't do much good for your case because it is outright denial and cognitive dissonance.

Posting photos without context is indeed spam.


I can only imagine you'll present an image of Ramses, in which I'll reply with:

A rant from Mike111.


The Albino people routinely trot out supposed Egyptian mummies with "High/Narrow" Nose Bridges and straight hair, such as with Ramses II and Tuya, and confidently tell us that the Mummy is that of a particular Egyptian King, Queen, or Noble person.

Because it is.


Though it's true that some Blacks have that phenotype

No they don't. No Negroid can have those features.


it still feels uncomfortable to us

What it feels to a black supremacist is irrelevant.


plus those Mummies seem to bear no resemblance to statues of the person in question. Lets take the example of Ramses II first: Not surprisingly, there is no resemblance between the supposed mummy of Ramses and his statue.

Ancient Egyptian art was highly stylized and and there are many statues of different pharaohs across thousands of years that could be mistaken for the same person as well as statues of the same Pharaoh (i'll use Ramses as an example) that look like different people so this is a terrible argument

The many faces of Ramses:
https://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/3033.jpg?v=1485680863
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2696/4181452437_b6504b53c1_b.jpg
http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/ancient-statue-ramesses-ii.jpg
https://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Ozymandias-1.jpg


In all of his statues, Ramses II is depicted as a rather "Round" faced man, while the Mummy is of a "Long" faced man.

We also have to keep in mind that Ramses died at the age of 90 so it's not surprising if he lost a lot of weight from his younger days and his face became narrower.


As a matter of fact, the "SUPPOSED" Mummy of Ramses II above, looks more like a White man

That's because he was a White man.


Further - the Mummy of Seti I, the father of Ramses II, is Black skinned (as are the paintings in his tomb) and looks nothing like the supposed Mummy of his son Ramses II

Actually the facial features seem to be similar. Seti's mummy is black because of the embalming process.

''The next step was to desiccate the body. The body was laid out on its back. At times the empty thorax and abdomen were filled with little linen packages containing natron. The entire body was covered with finely ground natron salts, salts native to the area, and not unlike today's baking powder. Over a period of approximately 40 days, the salt absorbed all the moisture, the flesh shrank, and the skin darkened.''
https://www.tokenrock.com/explain-mummification-95.html


The supposed Mummy of Merenptah, one of the black sons of Ramses II also looks nothing like the supposed Mummy of his father Ramses II

Same thing here as with Seti. Merneptah was not black.


This conversation just gets more and more absurd the deeper you go into it because it comes down to outright racist denial.

You're the one denying Genetic and Skeletal evidence that clearly proves you wrong.


This is an actual photograph on paintings inside of Ramses fathers tomb Seti I , which is full of black people and is the largest collection of murals in all of Egypt

When we look at clearer picture of figures in Seti's tomb we can see the men were depicted the typical reddish brown and the women yellowish or white:
https://ascendingpassage.com/Tomb-Seti-I-Elysian-Fields.jpg


Even still, the earliest and first dynastic king Narmer is so obviously "Sun saharan African" that he bears a striking resemblance to Mike Tysonhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/972377fddc27cbc16f30d55805faf2c0.jpg

It's actually not known who this head represents. Sir Flinders Petrie (a White man) identified it as Narmer with no evidence.


It is so obvious why all the noses are smashed off the other statues because it's clearly an African nose

If the noses were smashed off intentionally why does your supposed Narmer bust still exist? The claim of Whites defacing Egyptian statues is nonsense. Especially considering there are statues missing most of their nose despite it being clearly evident that it was a high bridged Caucasoid nose. Senusret III for example:
http://www.ancient-egypt.co.uk/luxor_museum/images/Senusret%20III%202.jpg

Senusret III with nose intact:
https://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/0egyptintro/5egypt/5sidor/5bilder/senwosret3.jpg

[Smeagol]

It's simple really, and observable. With all honesty, Is there ANY noticeable difference between a Dravidian with Albinism and a white European? No

Yes, the fact that they can be distinguished 100% of the time by a DNA test.

[GitazO]

Lmaoooooo almost every single one of those pictures was a black person. Horn African people are black.. There were like two images that were so poorly made it looks like you scooped it from a casino in vegas. You showing black people infighting with other black people SUdanese nubians does nothing to show any whiteness


This is when the conversation gets hilarious. DEny deny deny

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Let's have a look at that painting of Ramses who you say is white:

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Indeed it's very obvious the photo you used was lightened with crude contrast levels on photo editing software

As even this image that depicts infighting of black people with other black people (Sudanese nubians) also clearly depicts a black man. It could literally be a basketball player.
69785Ok buddy, white wash it all, it will only convince racist people, it is so plain to see for anyone who isn't racist in denial


You might as well have just used this as your examples:

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[GitazO]

Yes, the fact that they can be distinguished 100% of the time by a DNA test.

Because of a mutation in the SLC24A5 gene which causes insufficient melanin production and is present in 100% of white people, and has otherwise been proven to be the cause of several types of albinism. How is having less uv protection and being more sucseptible to skin cancer make you superior? Or having less elasticity on your skin from the lack of melanin causing premature aging? It doesn't. Supremacy is a delusional idea


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[Smeagol]

Because of a mutation in the SLC24A5 gene which causes insufficient melanin production and is present in 100% of white people, and has otherwise been proven to be the cause of several types of albinism.

No matter how much you repeat this you're still wrong. I wasn't even talking about regular Indians but about the fact that an albino Indian can be distinguished from a European by an autosomal DNA test 100% of the time and will genetically cluster with it's darker countrymen.

[GitazO]

No matter how much you repeat this you're still wrong. I wasn't even talking about regular Indians but about the fact that an albino Indian can be distinguished from a European by an autosomal DNA test 100% of the time and will genetically cluster with it's darker countrymen.

Probably because white folks were interbreeding with neanderthals while they migrated

Genetics Out of Africa�
Dr. Orville Boyd Jenkins
"Recently a major molecular cause of this change in skin color has been discovered in Europeans. Specifically, the gene SLC24A5 turns out to be critical for the production of melanin, the predominant dark pigment of the skin and hair. ... 100 percent of Europeans have a mutation in SLC24A5 that impairs the function of the protein.... Asians share the fully functional version of SLC24A5, but have acquired mutations in other genes that result in lighter skin, while retaining black hair [Francis Collins, The Language of Life (NY: Harper, 2010), p 150]."

[Smeagol]

Lmaoooooo almost every single one of those pictures was a black person.

See this is the problem with inferiority complexed black supremacists. If someone is darker than white they're labeled as black despite their obvious Caucasoid features because the racial typology of black supremacists takes only skin color into account. Meanwhile, DNA and skeletal studies have debunked all of their claims.

[Smeagol]

Because most are at least mulatto and mixed with their black Dravidian ancestors

What you claim is that Europeans are just albino Dravidians who went to Europe. If that was the case a modern day albino Dravidian and European would not be able to be distinguished by a DNA test, yet they are. 100% of the time. There's no way around that.

[GitazO]

That is the most elaborate denial I've ever heard. Black is black. There is so much diversity in black African people,697926979769793 69798not just The phenotype of what you call "sub saHaran African". This is the ignorance of racism, racist white people only think "ssa" is black even though there's black people south of the Sahara that look nothing like that phenotype6978969790

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And of course this Dravidian who migrated out of Africa isn't black either right? 69791

Oh ok.

[GitazO]

What you claim is that Europeans are just albino Dravidians who went to Europe. If that was the case a modern day albino Dravidian and European would not be able to be distinguished by a DNA test, yet they are. 100% of the time. There's no way around that.

Probably because they were interbreeding with Neanderthals and deniaovians not to mention inbreeding within themselves which causes all sorts of mutations as we can see in dog breeding.

There has yet to be one study that compares Dravidians with Albinism (OCA1-b or OCA2) and Europeans. No one has done this. Any claim you have is a personal one, there has not yet been any peer reviewed study. In fact it is round about down right avoided


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[GitazO]

See this is the problem with inferiority complexed black supremacists. If someone is darker than white they're labeled as black despite their obvious Caucasoid features because the racial typology of black supremacists takes only skin color into account. Meanwhile, DNA and skeletal studies have debunked all of their claims.

That's enough debating with racist white people for one day , I'll leave you to your inferiority complexed denial of albinism and African origins of civilization. Btw black people can and do have every phenotype that exists. That's how the worlds ethnicities were created
This should confuse the hell out of you:https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/8cec2c999781dc2866c4f139970c0576.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/2569713457481f3cf0addcb07a4278a3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/1a30e3c982e8c94b23425d084aa36691.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/4a50d8c6342ab75212e18d81285c96db.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/808c36ae496c7ebf7fbb8322aa02488d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/bef3382b3bcdbea69b5de9de882183ae.jpg
https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2010/07/21/blond-bombshell/amp/
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/267d262327991c2a2976e481330714a8.jpg

https://youtu.be/0Tj-WJna3ow

[greasycaveman]

Because of a mutation in the SLC24A5 gene which causes insufficient melanin production and is present in 100% of white people, and has otherwise been proven to be the cause of several types of albinism. How is having less uv protection and being more sucseptible to skin cancer make you superior? Or having less elasticity on your skin from the lack of melanin causing premature aging? It doesn't. Supremacy is a delusional idea


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This was the genotype inherited by anatomically modern humans, but retained only by part of the extant populations, thus forming an aspect of human genetic variation. About 100,000–70,000 years ago, some anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) began to migrate away from the tropics to the north where they were exposed to less intense sunlight. This was possibly in part due to the need for greater use of clothing to protect against the colder climate. Under these conditions there was less photodestruction of folate and so the evolutionary pressure working against the survival of lighter-skinned gene variants was reduced. In addition, lighter skin is able to generate more vitamin D (cholecalciferol) than darker skin, so it would have represented a health benefit in reduced sunlight if there were limited sources of vitamin D.[10] Hence the leading hypothesis for the evolution of human skin color proposes that:

1. From about 1.2 million years ago to less than 100,000 years ago, archaic humans, including archaic Homo sapiens, were dark-skinned.
2. As Homo sapiens populations began to migrate, the evolutionary constraint keeping skin dark decreased proportionally to the distance north a population migrated, resulting in a range of
skin tones within northern populations.
3. At some point, some northern populations experienced positive selection for lighter skin due to the increased production of vitamin D from sunlight and the genes for darker skin
disappeared from these populations.
4. Subsequent migrations into different UV environments and admixture between populations have resulted in the varied range of skin pigmentations we see today.






having uv protection and being more sucseptible to skin cancer. LMAO

[GitazO]

This was the genotype inherited by anatomically modern humans, but retained only by part of the extant populations, thus forming an aspect of human genetic variation. About 100,000–70,000 years ago, some anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) began to migrate away from the tropics to the north where they were exposed to less intense sunlight. This was possibly in part due to the need for greater use of clothing to protect against the colder climate. Under these conditions there was less photodestruction of folate and so the evolutionary pressure working against the survival of lighter-skinned gene variants was reduced. In addition, lighter skin is able to generate more vitamin D (cholecalciferol) than darker skin, so it would have represented a health benefit in reduced sunlight if there were limited sources of vitamin D.[10] Hence the leading hypothesis for the evolution of human skin color proposes that:

1. From about 1.2 million years ago to less than 100,000 years ago, archaic humans, including archaic Homo sapiens, were dark-skinned.
2. As Homo sapiens populations began to migrate, the evolutionary constraint keeping skin dark decreased proportionally to the distance north a population migrated, resulting in a range of
skin tones within northern populations.
3. At some point, some northern populations experienced positive selection for lighter skin due to the increased production of vitamin D from sunlight and the genes for darker skin
disappeared from these populations.
4. Subsequent migrations into different UV environments and admixture between populations have resulted in the varied range of skin pigmentations we see today.






having uv protection and being more sucseptible to skin cancer. LMAO

Well apparently you missed the part of the discussion which sites peer reviewed dermatological scientific studies that irrefutably proves Vitamin D absorption has literally nothing to do with skin pigmentation :
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/a41ebff8034ecc631b702d3b115ff87d.jpg

Vitamin D Production after UVB Exposure Depends on Baseline Vitamin D and Total Cholesterol but Not on Skin Pigmentation"

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/artic

And that there are also dark pigmented people in just as cold and even colder climates, some with even less sun exposure, who never turned white, like the Inuit thoroughly disproving the weather adaptation theory.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/e97e57f60e7d7ebe677534ce9f341365.jpg

And the fact that the "depigmentation gene" SLC24A5 that 100% of white people have is literally a key component and cause of albinism

Genetics Out of Africa�
Dr. Orville Boyd Jenkins
"Recently a major molecular cause of this change in skin color has been discovered in Europeans. Specifically, the gene SLC24A5 turns out to be critical for the production of melanin, the predominant dark pigment of the skin and hair. ... 100 percent of Europeans have a mutation in SLC24A5 that impairs the function of the protein.... Asians share the fully functional version of SLC24A5, but have acquired mutations in other genes that result in lighter skin, while retaining black hair [Francis Collins, The Language of Life (NY: Harper, 2010), p 150]."

"Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a heterogeneous and autosomal recessive disorder with hypopigmentation in the eye, hair, and skin color. Four genes, TYR, OCA2, TYRP1, and SLC45A2, have been identified as causative genes"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23364476/

The idea that humanity has a black mother is a beautiful thought, and scientifically accepted as true. The only difference here is the ways in which the different ethnicities were created but it's very plain to see:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/7ef71b99c86deeec17f9433dd1380d4d.jpg

Not to mention that Dravidians are already the most closely related to white people of anyone in the world:

"The Genetic Heritage of the Earliest Settlers Persists Both in Indian Tribal and Caste Populations"

Authors:
T. Kivisild, S. Rootsi, [...], and R. Villems

"The phylogeography of the primal mtDNA and Y-chromosome founders suggests that these southern Asian Pleistocene coastal settlers from Africa would have provided the inocula for the subsequent differentiation of the distinctive eastern and western Eurasian gene pools."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC379225/

It just comes down to downright denial

And yes, melanin protects from uv radiation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2671032/
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/765d1c4bc6dbd8802f2d4dc217e207f5.jpg

And the fairer your skin the more susceptible to skin cancer. These are both widely known dermatological facts:

"Skin tone: Caucasians have a greater risk of developing skin cancer than non-whites. The risk is also higher in individuals with blond or red hair, blue or green eyes, or skin that burns or freckles easily."

https://www.cancercenter.com/skin-cancer/risk-factors/

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/471c6d2b76331c23381df9042fc312af.jpg

Which is why it makes much more sense that albino populations would migrate out of Africa and further north of India to escape the equally hot sun (especially since we now know --scientifically--that skin does not turn white to absorb vitamin D , since that has nothing to do with skin pigmentation and there are dark pigmented people in just as cold and even colder climates with less sun like the arctic, thoroughly disproving the wether adaptation theory)
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/7eda122c154d7efa87194be209afa6bd.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/b4dca73326cb1acc980233c783f17e74.jpg

[greasycaveman]

Well apparently you missed the part of the discussion which sites peer reviewed dermatological scientific studies that irrefutably proves Vitamin D absorption has literally nothing to do with skin pigmentation :
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/a41ebff8034ecc631b702d3b115ff87d.jpg

Vitamin D Production after UVB Exposure Depends on Baseline Vitamin D and Total Cholesterol but Not on Skin Pigmentation"

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/artic

And that there are also dark pigmented people in just as cold and even colder climates, some with even less sun exposure, who never turned white, like the Inuit thoroughly disproving the weather adaptation theory.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/e97e57f60e7d7ebe677534ce9f341365.jpg

And the fact that the "depigmentation gene" SLC24A5 that 100% of white people have is literally a key component and cause of albinism

Genetics Out of Africa�
Dr. Orville Boyd Jenkins
"Recently a major molecular cause of this change in skin color has been discovered in Europeans. Specifically, the gene SLC24A5 turns out to be critical for the production of melanin, the predominant dark pigment of the skin and hair. ... 100 percent of Europeans have a mutation in SLC24A5 that impairs the function of the protein.... Asians share the fully functional version of SLC24A5, but have acquired mutations in other genes that result in lighter skin, while retaining black hair [Francis Collins, The Language of Life (NY: Harper, 2010), p 150]."

"Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a heterogeneous and autosomal recessive disorder with hypopigmentation in the eye, hair, and skin color. Four genes, TYR, OCA2, TYRP1, and SLC45A2, have been identified as causative genes"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23364476/

The idea that humanity has a black mother is a beautiful thought, and scientifically accepted as true. The only difference here is the ways in which the different ethnicities were created but it's very plain to see:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/7ef71b99c86deeec17f9433dd1380d4d.jpg

Not to mention that Dravidians are already the most closely related to white people of anyone in the world:

"The Genetic Heritage of the Earliest Settlers Persists Both in Indian Tribal and Caste Populations"

Authors:
T. Kivisild, S. Rootsi, [...], and R. Villems

"The phylogeography of the primal mtDNA and Y-chromosome founders suggests that these southern Asian Pleistocene coastal settlers from Africa would have provided the inocula for the subsequent differentiation of the distinctive eastern and western Eurasian gene pools."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC379225/

It just comes down to downright denial

And yes, melanin protects from uv radiation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2671032/
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/765d1c4bc6dbd8802f2d4dc217e207f5.jpg

And the fairer your skin the more susceptible to skin cancer. These are both widely known dermatological facts:

"Skin tone: Caucasians have a greater risk of developing skin cancer than non-whites. The risk is also higher in individuals with blond or red hair, blue or green eyes, or skin that burns or freckles easily."

https://www.cancercenter.com/skin-cancer/risk-factors/

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/471c6d2b76331c23381df9042fc312af.jpg

Which is why it makes much more sense that albino populations would migrate out of Africa and further north of India to escape the equally hot sun (especially since we now know --scientifically--that skin does not turn white to absorb vitamin D , since that has nothing to do with skin pigmentation and there are dark pigmented people in just as cold and even colder climates with less sun like the arctic, thoroughly disproving the wether adaptation theory)

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/7eda122c154d7efa87194be209afa6bd.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/b4dca73326cb1acc980233c783f17e74.jpg






Actually it does. Your narrow mind cannot comprehend reality.









The genetic mutations leading to light skin, though partially different among East Asians and Western Europeans,[19] suggest the two groups experienced a similar selective pressure after settlement in northern latitudes.[20] At what point these developments took place for sub-populations of Homo sapiens (and whether light skin also occurred independently in Homo neanderthalensis) is under debate. There is a long-standing hypothesis that the selection for lighter skin due to higher vitamin D absorption occurred soon after the Out of Africa migration some time before 40,000 years ago. A number of researchers disagree with this and suggest that the northern latitudes permitted enough synthesis of vitamin D combined with food sources from hunting to keep populations healthy, and only when agriculture was adopted was there a need for lighter skin to maximize the synthesis of vitamin D.

[GitazO]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19812604

Lol. Okay. Narrow minds insult like you did (Ad hominem) instead of countering with facts.

It has been proven in many peer reviewed studies by the journal of investigative dermatology, that vitamin D has literally nothing to do with Skin pigmentation.

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Thoroughly disproven. Try again.

Also, this " inherented gene" is a key component of albinism:

"Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a heterogeneous and autosomal recessive disorder with hypopigmentation in the eye, hair, and skin color. Four genes, TYR, OCA2, TYRP1, and SLC45A2, have been identified as causative genes"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23364476/

That's 100% of white folks have:


Genetics Out of Africa�
Dr. Orville Boyd Jenkins
"Recently a major molecular cause of this change in skin color has been discovered in Europeans. Specifically, the gene SLC24A5 turns out to be critical for the production of melanin, the predominant dark pigment of the skin and hair. ... 100 percent of Europeans have a mutation in SLC24A5 that impairs the function of the protein.... Asians share the fully functional version of SLC24A5, but have acquired mutations in other genes that result in lighter skin, while retaining black hair [Francis Collins, The Language of Life (NY: Harper, 2010), p 150]."

[GitazO]

Actually it does. Your narrow mind cannot comprehend reality.









The genetic mutations leading to light skin, though partially different among East Asians and Western Europeans,[19] suggest the two groups experienced a similar selective pressure after settlement in northern latitudes.[20] At what point these developments took place for sub-populations of Homo sapiens (and whether light skin also occurred independently in Homo neanderthalensis) is under debate. There is a long-standing hypothesis that the selection for lighter skin due to higher vitamin D absorption occurred soon after the Out of Africa migration some time before 40,000 years ago. A number of researchers disagree with this and suggest that the northern latitudes permitted enough synthesis of vitamin D combined with food sources from hunting to keep populations healthy, and only when agriculture was adopted was there a need for lighter skin to maximize the synthesis of vitamin D.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/2a8ae0c97ca5b98e983a51c4b0dfce00.jpg

https://youtu.be/0Tj-WJna3ow



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[greasycaveman]

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https://youtu.be/0Tj-WJna3ow



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There is no point in arguing with you. You are a lost soul. :banging head its like arguing with a brick wall

[GitazO]

There is no point in arguing with you. You are a lost soul. :banging head its like arguing with a brick wall

It's because you can't; you have no facts. All you have is hatred, insults and denial

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19812604

Lol. Okay. Narrow minds insult like you did (Ad hominem) instead of countering with facts.

It has been proven in many peer reviewed studies by the journal of investigative dermatology, that vitamin D has literally nothing to do with Skin pigmentation.

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Thoroughly disproven. Try again.

Also, this " inherented gene" is a key component of albinism:

"Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a heterogeneous and autosomal recessive disorder with hypopigmentation in the eye, hair, and skin color. Four genes, TYR, OCA2, TYRP1, and SLC45A2, have been identified as causative genes"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23364476/

That's 100% of white folks have:


Genetics Out of Africa�
Dr. Orville Boyd Jenkins
"Recently a major molecular cause of this change in skin color has been discovered in Europeans. Specifically, the gene SLC24A5 turns out to be critical for the production of melanin, the predominant dark pigment of the skin and hair. ... 100 percent of Europeans have a mutation in SLC24A5 that impairs the function of the protein.... Asians share the fully functional version of SLC24A5, but have acquired mutations in other genes that result in lighter skin, while retaining black hair [Francis Collins, The Language of Life (NY: Harper, 2010), p 150]."


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[GitazO]

smegol

I had to circle around to this because it's so ironic and funny that this is your example of a white Egyptian: ( a Beja or Afar tribe who still wear their hair that way)

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/b38a3dbee06208bcc1b55504ea7b34a2.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/b206995b87f823d48f754c2c63cf0cbc.jpg

And Senurset III who is one of the most obvious examples of a black pharoah:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/8a1c3c8c4649206c38e407d4c52a3b0f.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/ceacab72a2c0a074953021153938e382.jpg

Who's father Senurset II was clearly black:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/20f9962258bc13ad27f1830766359f16.jpg


Whose father Senurset I is also clearly black :
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/85ba2819c5f8db2925a67a630143a0f9.jpg


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/e75867b006791343e630fa8056f43ab1.jpg




This one you said is white is clearly a black person:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/e46a0e3c22d75579f95f18ddf6ecdd73.jpg

And then Seti I whose mummy is also clearly black( which you claimed was from the embalming process) but, is painted black in his tomb
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/c3de29c539d984190d6409d27a64626c.jpg




Just like all the other black people in his tomb:

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And we all know there are many shades of black African people, from red
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/ad3ab907827ec186909b8560da549b53.jpg


to lighter yellowish skin
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/fe833bcf060010ab362df6e6efb6628c.jpg



https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/ddbb5d25add9787a7843422ad10c1376.jpg


And all the endless paintings of black people in tombs like king Tuthttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/8781c0bd24a6faeb82d6bb2bfb871251.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/765fde5503c89653bb6a6ec9ddc194db.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/7dcee3c9193a05abd7affae7055733ed.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/c9f83f087154ddce2c609b97aca17b3f.jpg

And then Ramses who clearly wasn't black right they just painted him that way
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/fa34a1a69482508e0638cee6371e6b46.jpg
And he happened to wear an African style side lock for Afro hair like a black African too, just a coincidence tho


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/5e9256f8b6ce4ef49ca860d23f58d6b5.jpg

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[Xacal]

Jason Momoa vibe

[GitazO]

When we look at clearer picture of figures in Seti's tomb we can see the men were depicted the typical reddish brown and the women yellow

I had to circle around to this because it's so ironic and funny that this is your example of a white Egyptian: ( a Beja or Afar tribe who still wear their hair that way)

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/b38a3dbee06208bcc1b55504ea7b34a2.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/b206995b87f823d48f754c2c63cf0cbc.jpg

And Senurset III who is one of the most obvious examples of a black pharoah:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/8a1c3c8c4649206c38e407d4c52a3b0f.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/ceacab72a2c0a074953021153938e382.jpg

Who's father Senurset II was clearly black:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/20f9962258bc13ad27f1830766359f16.jpg


Whose father Senurset I is also clearly black :
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/85ba2819c5f8db2925a67a630143a0f9.jpg


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/e75867b006791343e630fa8056f43ab1.jpg




This one you said is white is clearly a black person:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/e46a0e3c22d75579f95f18ddf6ecdd73.jpg

And then Seti I whose mummy is also clearly black( which you claimed was from the embalming process) but, is painted black in his tomb
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/c3de29c539d984190d6409d27a64626c.jpg




Just like all the other black people in his tomb:




And we all know there are many shades of black African people, from red
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/ad3ab907827ec186909b8560da549b53.jpg


to lighter yellowish skin
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/fe833bcf060010ab362df6e6efb6628c.jpg



https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/ddbb5d25add9787a7843422ad10c1376.jpg


And all the endless paintings of black people in tombs like king Tuthttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/8781c0bd24a6faeb82d6bb2bfb871251.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/765fde5503c89653bb6a6ec9ddc194db.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/7dcee3c9193a05abd7affae7055733ed.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/c9f83f087154ddce2c609b97aca17b3f.jpg

And then Ramses who clearly wasn't black right they just painted him that way
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171114/fa34a1a69482508e0638cee6371e6b46.jpg
And he happened to wear an African style side lock for Afro hair like a black African too, just a coincidence tho


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