Eurogenes k36 similarity maps for some Italians, MENAs, and Greeks

[Sikeliot]

Highest Greek region for nearly all of the Sicilians is Crete or Dodecanese. Greek mainlanders are much closer to all of the Slavic groups than the Sicilians are. The MENAs are closest to Dodecanese, Sicily, and Calabria out of all of the Europeans. There is also a high match between western Sicily and Algeria/Tunisia.


Serradifalco, Caltanissetta, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/rsbjUiI.png
https://i.imgur.com/D9qRNbx.png
https://i.imgur.com/0XB02in.png



Valledolmo, Palermo, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/uSzzJiV.png
https://i.imgur.com/NeRAwAG.png
https://i.imgur.com/njqT7uY.png



Cerda and Gratteri, Palermo, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/XEMOn2X.png
https://i.imgur.com/jOILj4c.png
https://i.imgur.com/ChJ2Sp2.png



Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/35cerVa.png
https://i.imgur.com/jgIq4pe.png
https://i.imgur.com/G3ndjz7.png



Trabia, Palermo province, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/ZHbM1CW.png
https://i.imgur.com/llNdo8g.png
https://i.imgur.com/6XEqy5n.png

[Teucer]

I really enjoy these maps in comparison to the string of matched populations. I think they are clearer.

[Sikeliot]

I really enjoy these maps in comparison to the string of matched populations. I think they are clearer.

You will see when I begin posting southeastern Sicilians and mainland Greeks that the similarity to MENAs drops off very sharply.

Messinese/Calabrese will be scoring Dodecanese over Crete also.

[Sikeliot]

I really enjoy these maps in comparison to the string of matched populations. I think they are clearer.

And the mainland Greeks will also get higher similarity to East Europe.

[Viking]

north italins more similar to albinians.

[Sikeliot]

Peloponnese also seem to match Apulia and vice versa.


Thesprotia, Epirus, Greece:

https://i.imgur.com/LfCmKRE.png
https://i.imgur.com/2CS35gV.png
https://i.imgur.com/dBTpnYn.png





Serres, Macedonia, Greece:

https://i.imgur.com/j7PKOIN.png
https://i.imgur.com/qquHzpR.png
https://i.imgur.com/1Uu7lek.png





Larissa, Thessaly, Greece:

https://i.imgur.com/ePqe1fH.png
https://i.imgur.com/LxqD8Uj.png
https://i.imgur.com/aNlJGcz.png





Western Greece:

https://i.imgur.com/xo8KzNP.png
https://i.imgur.com/JiJSBra.png
https://i.imgur.com/4Nuke4C.png




Napflio, Peloponnese, Greece:

https://i.imgur.com/syUJiPZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/Bq37R9i.png
https://i.imgur.com/GBnr3Ry.png

[Bosniensis]

On all these maps, Balkans has stronger links to Italy and Greece than France or Germany for example.

Yet they call us "some people from Siberian Jungles"

Very unfair.

[Sikeliot]

Alcara li Fusi, Messina, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/tFMcUK4.png
https://i.imgur.com/35cPcve.png
https://i.imgur.com/vCGPXBd.png



Naso, Messina, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/vpDe54t.png
https://i.imgur.com/QBeDLry.png
https://i.imgur.com/v6zbgbw.png


Messina, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/zqtUMTT.png
https://i.imgur.com/nVneFC7.png
https://i.imgur.com/SgYzbYE.png



Reggio Calabria, Italy:

https://i.imgur.com/kTsLl48.png
https://i.imgur.com/z3lkEJB.png
https://i.imgur.com/APf9p7M.png



Reggio Calabria, Italy:

https://i.imgur.com/aDYc1HG.png
https://i.imgur.com/8nPVQV3.png
https://i.imgur.com/8RnehPx.png

[Teucer]

You will see when I begin posting southeastern Sicilians and mainland Greeks that the similarity to MENAs drops off very sharply.

Messinese/Calabrese will be scoring Dodecanese over Crete also.

I was hoping you would!

[Teucer]

The Messina and Calabria results show a big relationship with Cyprus and the other Greek Islands. Must be the Neolithic connection

[Sikeliot]

Cyclades, Greece:

https://i.imgur.com/9IvuVJs.png
https://i.imgur.com/LTpIxko.png
https://i.imgur.com/bveUnzv.png



Cyclades, Greece:

https://i.imgur.com/3HOY1Sk.png
https://i.imgur.com/RJIleRF.png
https://i.imgur.com/7QlwaYO.png


Tilos, Dodecanese, Greece:

https://i.imgur.com/iw62oq5.png
https://i.imgur.com/UzNLGxp.png
https://i.imgur.com/gKBXZbK.png



Kalymnos, Dodecanese, Greece:

https://i.imgur.com/SJI6ntd.png
https://i.imgur.com/uyiRv0q.png
https://i.imgur.com/NYlutyW.png



Karpathos, Dodecanese, Greece:

https://i.imgur.com/hkzwzyN.png
https://i.imgur.com/MucDK3B.png
https://i.imgur.com/6TToTeH.png

[Sikeliot]

The Messina and Calabria results show a big relationship with Cyprus and the other Greek Islands. Must be the Neolithic connection

Calabria and Dodecanese are very close.

What I notice also is western Sicilians have higher North African (higher proximity to the Tunisia/Algeria) which none of the Greeks have nor Calabria/Messina as much. You will see this in other results also.

[Sikeliot]

Other west Sicilian results... these have higher Levant and Tunisian type admixture and thus are less like Greek islanders.


Naro, Agrigento, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/X2N54gK.png
https://i.imgur.com/otUmZd0.png
https://i.imgur.com/JVs66Eq.png


Agrigento, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/ecF8vuE.png
https://i.imgur.com/72wMY7B.png
https://i.imgur.com/TnRGZYJ.png


Sciacca, Agrigento, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/FWLZ6Xk.png
https://i.imgur.com/pvWkd8I.png
https://i.imgur.com/o9KpXI8.png


Salaparuta, Trapani, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/1NWgTCW.png
https://i.imgur.com/NE2zQHa.png
https://i.imgur.com/e0vlZxn.png


Castellammare del Golfo, Trapani, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/I0LudLL.png
https://i.imgur.com/GQ9SkTX.png
https://i.imgur.com/hU6sStj.png

[Sikeliot]

Valledolmo, Palermo, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/A9l1oCS.png
https://i.imgur.com/tT9rJF1.png
https://i.imgur.com/X7bu58F.png


Cerda, Palermo, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/eBe4L77.png
https://i.imgur.com/mKyRGGw.png
https://i.imgur.com/g0d3AMC.png


San Giuseppe Jato, Palermo, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/rFFVuj4.png
https://i.imgur.com/skULRK1.png
https://i.imgur.com/GrTcWfe.png



Polizzi Generosa, Palermo, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/QkYOZ7O.png
https://i.imgur.com/wf70n4i.png
https://i.imgur.com/zW5VleQ.png



Palermo and Enna, Sicily:

https://i.imgur.com/k4o1OII.png
https://i.imgur.com/zeJJzjC.png
https://i.imgur.com/TXqR5tQ.png

[Teucer]

If these West Sicilians have more Levantine ancestry, why is their distance from Greece and Cyprus the same? Wouldn't their scores with Cyprus be higher?

[Sikeliot]

If these West Sicilians have more Levantine ancestry, why is their distance from Greece and Cyprus the same? Wouldn't their scores with Cyprus be higher?

They have high Afroasiatic input like Cyprus but less Caucasian like Greeks. Plus they have the Berber mixture.

I will do southeast Sicily next and it'll clarify.

[Sikeliot]

If these West Sicilians have more Levantine ancestry, why is their distance from Greece and Cyprus the same? Wouldn't their scores with Cyprus be higher?

They have high Afroasiatic input like Cyprus but less Caucasian like Greeks. Plus they have the Berber mixture.

I will do southeast Sicily next and it'll clarify.

[Kamal900]

My results:
https://image.ibb.co/k5uDHb/Mine_3.png
https://image.ibb.co/iFL9qw/Mine_2.png
https://image.ibb.co/gZFLxb/Mine_1.png

My cousin's results:
https://image.ibb.co/cW7NAw/bat_3.png
https://image.ibb.co/b4wtHb/bat_2.png
https://image.ibb.co/gDMhAw/bat_1.png

As you can see, me and my cousin cluster very closely with Cypriots, but we do have genetic similarity to Southern Italy to a certain extent though.

[Teucer]

As you can see, me and my cousin cluster very closely with Cypriots, but we do have genetic similarity to Southern Italy to a certain extent though.

The most interesting thing of all for me is that you and your cousin are closer to Cypriots than Egyptians!

Is that because modern Egyptians have more SSA admixture?

[Kamal900]

The most interesting thing of all for me is that you and your cousin are closer to Cypriots than Egyptians!

Is that because modern Egyptians have more SSA admixture?

Yes. Our SSA admixture is less than 4% in contrast to the average Egyptian. Hell, me and my cousin were able to pass among the general Greek populace without trouble whatsoever.

[Teucer]

On the map that shows the Middle East, where you have 59 and your cousin 56. Is that Israel or Lebanon?

[Teucer]

Yes. Our SSA admixture is less than 4% in contrast to the average Egyptian. Hell, me and my cousin were able to pass among the general Greek populace without trouble whatsoever.

Yeah, I saw your graduation photos. You're very fair indeed for a Palestinian (I think)

[Kamal900]

On the map that shows the Middle East, where you have 59 and your cousin 56. Is that Israel or Lebanon?

Israel.

[Kamal900]

Yeah, I saw your graduation photos. You're very fair indeed for a Palestinian (I think)

Yup. People get surprised when I tell them that I'm an Arab, rofl. It's funny to see their reaction.

[Sikeliot]

The overall pattern just seems to be that southern Italy is more or less just like the Aegean islands, only with some North African affinity.

[Percivalle]

north italins more similar to albinians.

Not that much. There are 4 values for north Italians: North Western, North Central, North Eastern and Swiss Italians.

https://i.imgur.com/tM8Yq8j.jpg

[Percivalle]

The results of 6 North Italians (in no particular order: Piedmont, Veneto, Lombardy and Trentino) and a couple of Central Italians (Tuscans)

- North Italians

https://i.imgur.com/QM3Rveo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tTcflPD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fhmffrv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/woBfrZD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jkUXVbk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/n8w6061.png



- Central Italians


https://i.imgur.com/IOOOaG1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Nk9FB63.jpg

[pmv74]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171106/31b24da45ee066914ea80b02e9bb1a67.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171106/23ce19c28636351866581804af7c4580.jpg

My one question I have is in Western Asia what countries do the values of 47, 56, and 63 correspond to? Also, I guess outside of southern Italy and Sicily I’m mostly related to the Greek islands, The Levant and North Africa


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[Sikeliot]

My one question I have is in Western Asia what countries do the values of 47, 56, and 63 correspond to? Also, I guess outside of southern Italy and Sicily I’m mostly related to the Greek islands, The Levant and North Africa


I am unsure. But it does make sense you would be close to Crete and Dodecanese. Most southern Italians are and vice versa.

[Sikeliot]

Here are some people from southeast Sicily. Ragusa clearly has more MENA input than does Syracuse.


Ragusa:

https://i.imgur.com/gpvvlHO.png
https://i.imgur.com/3etYjWN.png
https://i.imgur.com/zsihVH2.png



Ragusa:

https://i.imgur.com/6Z8SLuW.png
https://i.imgur.com/VBxkMOf.png
https://i.imgur.com/PaRshUJ.png


Ragusa:

https://i.imgur.com/lpngGDe.png
https://i.imgur.com/A6uiyJ1.png
https://i.imgur.com/91nFTpz.png



Ragusa:

https://i.imgur.com/pfAlEPT.png
https://i.imgur.com/omjknLe.png
https://i.imgur.com/mibcdgD.png



Ragusa:

https://i.imgur.com/4w4mHwx.png
https://i.imgur.com/PwxRlcq.png
https://i.imgur.com/KgaGOUj.png

[Sikeliot]

Syracuse:

https://i.imgur.com/v7GJSFv.png
https://i.imgur.com/mKnfU3d.png
https://i.imgur.com/J9af4tV.png


Syracuse:

https://i.imgur.com/oiF1L7k.png
https://i.imgur.com/QGMRqcu.png
https://i.imgur.com/84xj36N.png


Syracuse:

https://i.imgur.com/pfFYWpF.png
https://i.imgur.com/CMyCoph.png
https://i.imgur.com/WzEdMp9.png

[Lek]

The results of 6 North Italians (in no particular order: Piedmont, Veneto, Lombardy and Trentino) and a couple of Central Italians (Tuscans)

- North Italians

https://i.imgur.com/QM3Rveo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tTcflPD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fhmffrv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/woBfrZD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jkUXVbk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/n8w6061.png



- Central Italians


https://i.imgur.com/IOOOaG1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Nk9FB63.jpg

Obviously cherrypicked results. Albanians get 80% ++ either with north italy, central or south + greece and sometimes montenegro

I myself get like 86% with northern Italy, Venetia .. how is it possible that its not the same for Italians.

More Southern plotting Albanians get better similarity with Southern / central italy + Southern greece , more Northern with northern italy and Montenegro + Northern Greece

[Percivalle]

Obviously cherrypicked results. Albanians get 80% ++ either with north italy, central or south + greece and sometimes montenegro

I myself get like 86% with northern Italy, Venetia .. how is it possible that its not the same for Italians.

More Southern plotting Albanians get better similarity with Southern / central italy + Southern greece , more Northern with northern italy and Montenegro + Northern Greece

Sure, cherrypicked because these results don't fit with your idea that all Albanians = Northern Italians. To begin with there is no Veneto/Venetia in this K36 similarity tool but instead there is Friuli for North-Eastern Italy. There is obviously much more variation in North Italy than in the whole Albania. Northwestern Italians are more western-shifted than Northeastern Italians. But even Northeastern Italians haven't the same percentages of Balkan-like components of Balkanites, and Venetians have less of it than Furlans. How can you even think that all the Northern Italians can be similar in the same way to Albanians? Albanians are a smaller population than the Italian one. And anyway even Ghege/Northern Albanians can be more more similar to Central Italians rather than to Northern Italians. Obviously there may be Northern Albanians who have higher percentages of similarity with Northern Italy, but this more with the eastern side of North Italy rather than with the whole North Italy.

There are four samples from North Italy in the K36 similarity tool, and these are their average results

Northwestern Italians from Aosta

https://i.imgur.com/BtNFNuv.jpg

Northern Italians from Canton Ticino

https://i.imgur.com/eTkgIkO.jpg

Northeastern Italians from Friuli-Venezia-Giulia

https://i.imgur.com/Ptl8Yw1.jpg

Northern Italians from different northern Italian regions

https://i.imgur.com/lZA3Zxv.jpg

[Teucer]

Very interesting. There is a clear divide between North and South Italy. Is it a Neolithic continuum?

[Sikeliot]

Very interesting. There is a clear divide between North and South Italy. Is it a Neolithic continuum?

Post-Neolithic MENA input in the south (mostly in Calabria and west-central & northeast Sicily).

[Hadouken]

Post-Neolithic MENA input in the south

why dont you post it ?

[Sikeliot]

why dont you post it ?

I mean after the Neolithic, southern Italy and the Aegean islands received an additional wave of Levantine and (in the case of Sicily) Berber input.

[Hadouken]

I mean after the Neolithic, southern Italy and the Aegean islands received an additional wave of Levantine and (in the case of Sicily) Berber input.

I was just trying to be funny so more people will vote for me in the other thread

[Kenshiro]

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From Apulia
I love the almost equidistance between Cyprus and the Balearics, in the center of the Mediterranean