India turns to public shaming to get people to use its 52 million new toilets

[KMack]

The patrols started at dawn, and the villagers scattered, abandoning their pails of water to avoid humiliation and fines.

Every morning in this district in rural India, teams of government employees and volunteer “motivators” roam villages to publicly shame those who relieve themselves in the open. The “good-morning squads” are part of what one official called “the largest behavioral-change program anywhere in the world.”

This is Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s flagship Clean India initiative in mission mode. By October 2019, Modi has vowed, every Indian will have access to a toilet, and the country will be free of the scourge of open defecation. Since Modi came to power, more than 52 million toilets have been installed. But the trick, sanitation experts say, is getting people to use them. .................................................. ........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/india-turns-to-public-shaming-to-get-people-to-use-its-52million-new-toilets/2017/11/03/882166fe-b41c-11e7-9b93-b97043e57a22_story.html?utm_term=.05a5cb736532

[JohnSmith]

Overpopulation causes major issues.

[Mingle]

Overpopulation causes major issues.

Bangladesh has a significantly higher population density than India yet they don't have any open defecation problem.

[JohnSmith]

Bangladesh has a significantly higher population density than India yet they don't have any open defecation problem.

I am sure they have problems.

[Fractal]

White guys coping with the fact that Indians (Aryans) are buying every hotel and gas station in California, the South, the Midwest, and taking every engineering or MD job

I feel your pain. We drive BMWs, Mercedes, Audis and live in mansions but we're not as materialistic as you think.

[Mingle]

I am sure they have problems.

I'm sure they do, but the discussion was about one specific problem though (which you tried to blame on overpopulation).

[Óttar]

This will also minimize the occurrence of sexual assault. One thing that I realized when I lived in India for a year was, there is no purpose or virtue in "roughing it" like my other White American peers in a desperate attempt to be "authentic." Like Shaka Zulu said, "If a lion were given wings, he would be a fool not to use them."

[Вavhat]

This is just in 1 district out of 707 districts in India, it’s not all of “India turns to public shaming”. Most other places of India are improving fast enough that there’s no need of such programs. Bangladesh went from 42% to 1% (http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/How-Bangladesh-almost-eradicated-open-defecation/article14492685.ece) open defecation rate in 1 decade, and most places of India progress similar. Also it doesn’t affect every place that much, and its mainly a rural problem e.g. in urban Gujarat, open defecation rate is 2.8% (https://i.redd.it/u31b7kpoe2wx.png), in Kerala it's 2.3% (https://i.redd.it/u31b7kpoe2wx.png) or less for both rural and urban.

[Óttar]

This is just in 1 district out of 707 districts in India, it’s not all of “India turns to public shaming”. Most other places of India are improving fast enough that there’s no need of such programs. Bangladesh went from 42% to 1% (http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/How-Bangladesh-almost-eradicated-open-defecation/article14492685.ece) open defecation rate in 1 decade, and most places of India progress similar. Also it doesn’t affect every place that much, and its mainly a rural problem e.g. in urban Gujarat, open defecation rate is 2.8% (https://i.redd.it/u31b7kpoe2wx.png), in Kerala it's 2.3% (https://i.redd.it/u31b7kpoe2wx.png) or less for both rural and urban.
While Modi's initiative to give all Indians internet access is commendable, I think it's clear that proper sanitation remains India's #1 priority.

[KMack]

White guys coping with the fact that Indians (Aryans) are buying every hotel and gas station in California, the South, the Midwest, and taking every engineering or MD job

I feel your pain. We drive BMWs, Mercedes, Audis and live in mansions but we're not as materialistic as you think.

Don't be so defensive. The writer of the article.
Vidhi Doshi is a reporter based in New Delhi.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://s3.amazonaws.com/arc-authors/washpost/846ab9e6-be81-4746-98e8-7708350161eb.png&w=180&h=180&t=20170517a

[Loki]

This is a very good drive by Mr Modi. It could revolutionize India. A cleaner India is a better India. But there's a lot f work to be done. 52 million toilets is a handful only for a population of 1 billion.

[zhaoyun]

Overpopulation causes major issues.

Yeah no shit. I am in China right now, while it is a lot cleaner than India, the huge population and the masses of peasants make it a nightmare to get around in train stations, major tourist sites, the bathrooms are fucking disgusting for one, and then you deal with the massive amount of loud obnoxious people all around you.

If you want to know why democracy can NEVER work in China anytime now or in the near future, just try to get a ticket at a Chinese train station. You'll be convinced within one hour.

[Annie999]

Bangladesh has a significantly higher population density than India yet they don't have any open defecation problem.

And what about China, overpopulation is not an excuse.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Yeah no shit. I am in China right now, while it is a lot cleaner than India, the huge population and the masses of peasants make it a nightmare to get around in train stations, major tourist sites, the bathrooms are fucking disgusting for one, and then you deal with the massive amount of loud obnoxious people all around you.

If you want to know why democracy can NEVER work in China anytime now or in the near future, just try to get a ticket at a Chinese train station. You'll be convinced within one hour.

gosh imagine if they were allowed to have as many children as they desired lol

[zhaoyun]

gosh imagine if they were allowed to have as many children as they desired lol

Deng Xiaoping was a genius.

[KMack]

You just hope that indoor toilets are connected to a sanitary system.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixJgY2VSct0

[Mingle]

gosh imagine if they were allowed to have as many children as they desired lol

China had a normal population rate but then were encouraged to have as many kids as possible by Mao Zedong claiming that people are the most precious thing in the world. So if it weren't more him, the population rate wouldn't be so high (even though he killed millions of Chinese folk, I've heard that his statements resulted in an overall population boom). The restriction doesn't make sense anymore as China is gonna get the same problem as Europe and Japan if this continues (shortage of labor).

Also, the population in China might be higher than reported (but not much higher), since some kids aren't officially registered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heihaizi

[Black Panther]

Props to Modi for taking care of his people, even when they don't want the help themselves...

[Black Panther]

Yeah no shit. I am in China right now, while it is a lot cleaner than India, the huge population and the masses of peasants make it a nightmare to get around in train stations, major tourist sites, the bathrooms are fucking disgusting for one, and then you deal with the massive amount of loud obnoxious people all around you.

If you want to know why democracy can NEVER work in China anytime now or in the near future, just try to get a ticket at a Chinese train station. You'll be convinced within one hour.

When was the last time you were in China before this one? Has the population changed dramatically or have people become wealthier and as a result produce more litter than in the past?

[paircity]

Deng Xiaoping was a genius.

Relative to Mao Zedong, yes. The one child policy was clumsy though.

Also, queuing up for a ticket is nothing to do with democracy. That's more a Confucian ideal if anything but I agree it breaks down with overpopulation.

[wvwvw]

Colombian toilets

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/de/e7/68/dee768a1e5a51dd78bf581dcb9204c9d.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/62/f9/4a/62f94a5c0abd188e0bedc1f0f15b74fe--kulta-freak-out.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e2/ba/f5/e2baf53ead3300e1d51a5235d0b0ddfe--throne-room-the-throne.jpg

[wvwvw]

You just hope that indoor toilets are connected to a sanitary system.


They are

http://lolindian.com/images/2012/September/1/50417f8349ca5.jpg

http://www.bajiroo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/funny-indian-western-toilet.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2e/29/fd/2e29fdd114bc32633f5e9ccc06c53869--russian-humor-picture-that.jpg

[KMack]

They are

http://lolindian.com/images/2012/September/1/50417f8349ca5.jpg

http://www.bajiroo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/funny-indian-western-toilet.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2e/29/fd/2e29fdd114bc32633f5e9ccc06c53869--russian-humor-picture-that.jpg

:picard2:

[Fractal]

:picard2:

Think of India as Ohio. You have the nice suburbs around Cinncinnati, then you have the ghettos of Cleveland - one of the most dangerous cities in America.

The middle and upper classes of India live quite well and have access to sanitation and toilets. Just imagine Cleveland taking over the entire state of Ohio.

http://listtop10s.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Cleveland-Ohio-500x332.jpg

https://www.roadsnacks.net/images/2016/01/ghetto-ohio/1.jpg

vs.

Terrace Park in Cinncinati Ohio

https://images0.estately.net/48_1434099_0_1426603772_636x435.jpg

[wvwvw]

Imo even more important than toilets is that they ban bathing in the sewer called Ganges. India is #1 in birth defects in the world. Better go around dirty and bath once a year than bath frequently in sewer water.

[KMack]

Think of India as Ohio. You have the nice suburbs around Cinncinnati, then you have the ghettos of Cleveland - one of the most dangerous cities in America.

The middle and upper classes of India live quite well and have access to sanitation and toilets. Just imagine Cleveland taking over the entire state of Ohio.

http://listtop10s.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Cleveland-Ohio-500x332.jpg

https://www.roadsnacks.net/images/2016/01/ghetto-ohio/1.jpg

vs.

Terrace Park in Cinncinati Ohio

https://images0.estately.net/48_1434099_0_1426603772_636x435.jpg

Our city hoods in Cincy are pretty dang nice. I lived in Anderson Twp for years, close to Terrace Park. But even the crappy hoods are nothing like that video. I am sure the well to do in India have it much better. I am not judging them as I am sure there are plenty of countries where it is bad.
Hood rats in the USA have it pretty good, just keep your place tidy. No fan of Cleveland here. All of Ohio makes fun of us because we are Cincinnatians first, and Ohioans way further down the list. SW Ohio is much different than the rest.

[zhaoyun]

When was the last time you were in China before this one? Has the population changed dramatically or have people become wealthier and as a result produce more litter than in the past?

I was here two years ago but in different places. Overall, litter isn't too bad. Of course, it's also because there are many cleaners who take care of these things. About behavior, it depends on what class of society you are dealing with. If you are in the middle class and upscale areas of big cities, they are pretty civilized. But in places like train stations and heavily trafficked tourist sites, you will deal with the Chinese equivalent of rednecks and Eurotrash and basically it's a scene of never ending restlessness, people shouting, angrily yelling at each other, shoving, spitting and just basically shitty behavior.

About wealth, I haven't been to Guangzhou and Shenzhen in over ten years. They are unrecognizable, they have grown in wealth, development and sophistication by leaps and bounds. This is my first time in Hainan province however, which is China's "Hawaii", it fucking sucks here.

[zhaoyun]

China had a normal population rate but then were encouraged to have as many kids as possible by Mao Zedong claiming that people are the most precious thing in the world. So if it weren't more him, the population rate wouldn't be so high (even though he killed millions of Chinese folk, I've heard that his statements resulted in an overall population boom). The restriction doesn't make sense anymore as China is gonna get the same problem as Europe and Japan if this continues (shortage of labor).

Also, the population in China might be higher than reported (but not much higher), since some kids aren't officially registered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heihaizi

Mao pretty much fucked up China in a whole ton of ways. Not only did he encourage a huge population boom, he basically encouraged people to follow the worst social behaviors in order to make society more "egalitarian".

[wvwvw]

I was here two years ago but in different places. Overall, litter isn't too bad. Of course, it's also because there are many cleaners who take care of these things. About behavior, it depends on what class of society you are dealing with. If you are in the middle class and upscale areas of big cities, they are pretty civilized. But in places like train stations and heavily trafficked tourist sites, you will deal with the Chinese equivalent of rednecks and Eurotrash and basically it's a scene of never ending restlessness, people shouting, angrily yelling at each other, shoving, spitting and just basically shitty behavior.

About wealth, I haven't been to Guangzhou and Shenzhen in over ten years. They are unrecognizable, they have grown in wealth, development and sophistication by leaps and bounds. This is my first time in Hainan province however, which is China's "Hawaii", it fucking sucks here.

Can you flush the toilet papper in China or do you have to throw it in the garbage like in Greece?

[wvwvw]

Mao pretty much fucked up China in a whole ton of ways. Not only did he encourage a huge population boom, he basically encouraged people to follow the worst social behaviors in order to make society more "egalitarian".

What population boom? Is it common for the Chinese nowadays to have more than two children?

[zhaoyun]

What population boom? Is it common for the Chinese nowadays to have more than two children?

As of the last few years since they repealed it, I think it is. It was primarily one child for several decades. The population is still massive as fuck though, but the growth has slowed significantly.

[paprika]

Can you flush the toilet papper in China or do you have to throw it in the garbage like in Greece?

they don't provide toilet paper in public toilets because ppl will steal it :lol:, you have to bring your own.
from what i know it used to be that ppl had to throw in the garbage, but it could have changed since then.
btw most public toilets in china are the ones in the ground like this
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BF22EP/squat-turkish-toilet-in-bathroom-in-famagusta-turkish-republic-of-BF22EP.jpg

[wvwvw]

As of the last few years since they repealed it, I think it is. It was primarily one child for several decades. The population is still massive as fuck though, but the growth has slowed significantly.

You can't force people to have less than two children but it is reasonable to ask them to not have more than two.

[zhaoyun]

Can you flush the toilet papper in China or do you have to throw it in the garbage like in Greece?

I think in most toilets you have to throw it in the garbage, but in more developed areas, you can flush it in the toilet. This is actually an issue they are working on because they know the toilet situation is one of the worst experiences for tourists here.

[zhaoyun]

they don't provide toilet paper in public toilets because ppl will steal it :lol:, you have to bring your own.
from what i know it used to be that ppl had to throw in the garbage, but it could have changed since then.
btw most public toilets in china are the ones in the ground like this
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BF22EP/squat-turkish-toilet-in-bathroom-in-famagusta-turkish-republic-of-BF22EP.jpg

Yeah pretty much. Though there are toilet paper more and more available in increasing numbers of bathrooms especially compared to the past. This is more the case in more developed large cities though and not the case in less developed areas.

[paprika]

You can't force people to have less than two children but it is reasonable to ask them to not have more than two.

why not? overpopulation is a serious problem and decreases the standard of living for everyone.

[wvwvw]

why not? overpopulation is a serious problem and decreases the standard of living for everyone.

But most people aren't willing to sacrifice their family planning for the sake of mankind. Many families strongly desire a second child.

[Mingle]

Mao pretty much fucked up China in a whole ton of ways. Not only did he encourage a huge population boom, he basically encouraged people to follow the worst social behaviors in order to make society more "egalitarian".

Can you give some examples of egalitarian behaviors he encouraged?

[Mingle]

why not? overpopulation is a serious problem and decreases the standard of living for everyone.

Europe has an underpopulation problem. They're importing migrants to make up for shortage of labor. China doesn't have it yet but it is a problem they were starting to worry about which is why the one child policy got turned into a two child policy.

[paprika]

But most people aren't willing to sacrifice their family planning for the sake of mankind. Many families strongly desire a second child.

well which do you think is more important, allowing families to feel fulfilled? or having foresight and preventing massive problems like china's pollution problem and a huge strain on housing and employment for example? i think if you think about it rationally and not emotionally the answer is obvious

[paprika]

Europe has an underpopulation problem. They're importing migrants to make up for shortage of labor. China doesn't have it yet but it is a problem they were starting to worry about which is why the one child policy got turned into a two child policy.

i'm pretty sure they can afford to let the population drop for a while before turning it around, in fact i think it would be highly beneficial to do so.

in fact the population in china is actually still growing, although growing at a slower rate, because the one child policy was just enacted relatively recently in the grand scheme of things, so the older generation (whose population is much lower) is still dying slower than new births are happening, despite the low birth rate.

http://www.indexmundi.com/graphs/population-pyramids/china-population-pyramid-2016.gif

[wvwvw]

well which do you think is more important, allowing families to feel fulfilled? or having foresight and preventing massive problems like china's pollution problem and a huge strain on housing and employment for example? i think if you think about it rationally and not emotionally the answer is obvious

The first

[Longobarda]

Deng Xiaoping was a genius.

As far as I understand, chinese did not stop to have many children, but if the first was recognized, the rest have disappeared from the official registers. They were "not born" for the government. I don't know now. In those cases better a contraceptive massive campaign than risking to have a ghost population.
In India I remember that the son of Idira Ghandi sent doctors all around the country that offered money to women that accepted to have they "trumps" definitely closed.

[zhaoyun]

As far as I understand, chinese did not stop to have many children, but if the first was recognized, the rest have disappeared from the official registers. They were "not born" for the government. I don't know now. In those cases better a contraceptive massive campaign than risking to have a ghost population.
In India I remember that the son of Idira Ghandi sent doctors all around the country that offered money to women that accepted to have they "trumps" definitely closed.

Yes, obviously that did happen but the population growth reduction is real as well. Truth is that most urban Chinese families don't even want a lot of kids because the cost of living and education is high.

[zhaoyun]

Can you give some examples of egalitarian behaviors he encouraged?

Basically upholding the peasant class as the most prestigious class and demonizing any type of "upper class" behavior like social etiquette, dressing nicely, grooming.

[zhaoyun]

i'm pretty sure they can afford to let the population drop for a while before turning it around, in fact i think it would be highly beneficial to do so.

in fact the population in china is actually still growing, although growing at a slower rate, because the one child policy was just enacted relatively recently in the grand scheme of things, so the older generation (whose population is much lower) is still dying slower than new births are happening, despite the low birth rate.

http://www.indexmundi.com/graphs/population-pyramids/china-population-pyramid-2016.gif

Yeah totally accurate

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Public shaming is one of the best ways to change negative cultural behavior.

[Mingle]

i'm pretty sure they can afford to let the population drop for a while before turning it around, in fact i think it would be highly beneficial to do so.

in fact the population in china is actually still growing, although growing at a slower rate, because the one child policy was just enacted relatively recently in the grand scheme of things, so the older generation (whose population is much lower) is still dying slower than new births are happening, despite the low birth rate.

http://www.indexmundi.com/graphs/population-pyramids/china-population-pyramid-2016.gif

Overpopulation is not really a problem in any country. The main worry about overpopulation is what will happen if current trends continue not what the situation at the moment. There aren't any countries where there aren't enough resources for the population or not enough land to live on. China doesn't need to stop their so-called "overpopulation problem" or else they'll have more to worry about an underpopulation problem later in a few years.

[Fractal]

I'm pretty sure if India can launch rockets into space, send probes to mars, and put 104 satelites into orbit (world record), it could easily solve it's public defecation problem.

Overpopulation is the primary reason for this just like the rest of the country's problems.

http://images.newindianexpress.com/uploads/user/imagelibrary/2017/2/16/original/ISRO1.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uvFfxGKephg/maxresdefault.jpg

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I'm pretty sure if India can launch rockets into space, send probes to mars, and put 104 satelites into orbit (world record), it could easily solve it's public defecation problem.

Overpopulation is the primary reason for this just like the rest of the country's problems.

http://images.newindianexpress.com/uploads/user/imagelibrary/2017/2/16/original/ISRO1.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uvFfxGKephg/maxresdefault.jpg

You should really deal with your defecation problem before wasting money on a space program. Let advanced nations who don't have to worry about such problems focus on space exploration. Perhaps that money can also be used to educated the population as a whole instead of all the money going to a small portion of the population. The caste system is still alive and well in India. Those people won't disappear. Priorities, man.

[Dandelion]

Public shaming is one of the best ways to change negative cultural behavior.

Softer yet also humiliating campaigns were used before.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Softer yet also humiliating campaigns were used before.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU

That's playful with no real stigma attached. Pardon the pun but a person must feel like a piece of shit for social stigma to work.

[Laberia]

I'm pretty sure if India can launch rockets into space, send probes to mars, and put 104 satelites into orbit (world record), it could easily solve it's public defecation problem.

Overpopulation is the primary reason for this just like the rest of the country's problems.

http://images.newindianexpress.com/uploads/user/imagelibrary/2017/2/16/original/ISRO1.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uvFfxGKephg/maxresdefault.jpg

And what is the purpose of all this space program? Are you going to shit even in space now?

[Incal]

I was here two years ago but in different places. Overall, litter isn't too bad. Of course, it's also because there are many cleaners who take care of these things. About behavior, it depends on what class of society you are dealing with. If you are in the middle class and upscale areas of big cities, they are pretty civilized. But in places like train stations and heavily trafficked tourist sites, you will deal with the Chinese equivalent of rednecks and Eurotrash and basically it's a scene of never ending restlessness, people shouting, angrily yelling at each other, shoving, spitting and just basically shitty behavior.

lol all the people I know who've gone to China tell me about this. Also, people will never change direction if you are on their way, they'll just push you and you'll never hear an "excuse me".

[zhaoyun]

lol all the people I know who've gone to China tell me about this. Also, people will never change direction if you are on their way, they'll just push you and you'll never hear an "excuse me".

Yeah unfortunately there are many such people. However, a lot of mainlanders are also very civilized and gracious, but unfortunately many are not as well. I think the younger generations are a lot better, it will eventually change. The worst are the middle aged people who grew up with extreme poverty, no education and no manners.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Softer yet also humiliating campaigns were used before.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU

lol i didnt know this was initially invented by unicef ahahahah

[paircity]

Public shaming is one of the best ways to change negative cultural behavior.

Sometimes that's not enough. Some people don't give a shit.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

lol all the people I know who've gone to China tell me about this. Also, people will never change direction if you are on their way, they'll just push you and you'll never hear an "excuse me".

I'd be throwing elbows. Fuck niggas up.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Sometimes that's not enough. Some people don't give a shit.

It has to be drilled in school. If a kid comes to school with dirt under his nails, he'll be brought to attention in front of the class. Most kids afterwards will make sure their fingernails are clean before they arrive at school to avoid being humiliated again. It won't matter if the parent doesn't care.

Although if it was me I'd spit in the teacher's coffee when they weren't looking cuz I'd be so pissed off about being placed in front of the class to be humiliated.

Maybe even throw a head kick.

[Fractal]

It has to be drilled in school. If a kid comes to school with dirt under his nails, he'll be brought to attention in front of the class. Most kids afterwards will make sure their fingernails are clean before they arrive at school to avoid being humiliated again. It won't matter if the parent doesn't care.

Although if it was me I'd spit in the teacher's coffee when they weren't looking cuz I'd be so pissed off about being placed in front of the class to be humiliated.

Maybe even throw a head kick.

You probably take two showers a week and have BO like most of your Southern European ancestors.

[Dandelion]

You probably take three showers a week and have BO like most of your Southern European ancestors.

Latins aren't ecologically-inclined at all. Bunch of resource wasters.

EDIT: I read a day initially.

[Fractal]

Latins aren't ecologically-inclined at all. Bunch of resource wasters.

EDIT: I read a day initially.

I bet Grimes takes 2 showers a week and brushes his teeth maybe 4 times per week

[paircity]

It has to be drilled in school. If a kid comes to school with dirt under his nails, he'll be brought to attention in front of the class. Most kids afterwards will make sure their fingernails are clean before they arrive at school to avoid being humiliated again. It won't matter if the parent doesn't care.

Although if it was me I'd spit in the teacher's coffee when they weren't looking cuz I'd be so pissed off about being placed in front of the class to be humiliated.

Maybe even throw a head kick.

Sounds like Kitchen Nightmares where the restaurant owner ends up passive aggressive. He wants to hit Ramsey even though his kitchen is filthy.

[paprika]

Overpopulation is not really a problem in any country. The main worry about overpopulation is what will happen if current trends continue not what the situation at the moment. There aren't any countries where there aren't enough resources for the population or not enough land to live on. China doesn't need to stop their so-called "overpopulation problem" or else they'll have more to worry about an underpopulation problem later in a few years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/14/world/asia/study-links-polluted-air-in-china-to-1-6-million-deaths-a-year.html

pollution is a huge problem in china and causes health problems for a lot of people, there is also a huge strain on housing due to the massive population and the cost of living is higher for everyone because of it, and everywhere you go in the cities it's overcrowded. there is definitely no risk of underpopulation happening any time soon, it could drop for quite a while and there would only be positive effects, to suggest there is a risk of underpopulation is ridiculous.

like i said in the previous post the chinese population is actually still growing at a slow rate if you actually read it.

just in 1953 the population was much lower at 583 million and they didn't have any of these problems with pollution etc that they have today, they can definitely afford to let the population drop a good amount. underpopulation doesn't even cause any real problems in general, the only one i can think of is geopolitical, like for example if the population drops a lot in europe and japan, etc then they will be comparatively weaker with an entity with much higher population like china.

[crazyladybutterfly]

You probably take two showers a week and have BO like most of your Southern European ancestors.

did your parents do this to you???

https://pics.me.me/indian-children-rolled-in-cow-poop-for-good-luck-tradition-20903674.png

[Fractal]

did your parents do this to you???

https://pics.me.me/indian-children-rolled-in-cow-poop-for-good-luck-tradition-20903674.png

No, because I was raised in the USA. lol. And I hghly doubt that happens, these are small isolated incidents.

Do you really believe Italians are seen as productive and intelligent as Indians are in the USA? Answer that.

[crazyladybutterfly]

And what is the purpose of all this space program? Are you going to shit even in space now?

https://pics.onsizzle.com/q-pajeet-goes-to-the-moon-2526357.png

[crazyladybutterfly]

No, because I was raised in the USA. lol. And I hghly doubt that happens, these are small isolated incidents.

Do you really believe Italians are seen as productive and intelligent as Indians are in the USA? Answer that.

how americans really see you

https://ii.yuki.la/e/d5/bebed0de032f399b0847060225f66184603955c8b24250e28d aaced5eb854d5e.png

https://pics.me.me/narendra-modi-narendramodi-follow-as-prime-minister-of-india-superpower-27561937.png

[crazyladybutterfly]

No, because I was raised in the USA. lol. And I hghly doubt that happens, these are small isolated incidents.

Do you really believe Italians are seen as productive and intelligent as Indians are in the USA? Answer that.

read the comments


https://youtu.be/9fsJ8Pdr3Ck

[crazyladybutterfly]

of course white people appropriate the worst from any culture


https://youtu.be/Wsv0swEzs8c

[Fractal]

how americans really see you

https://ii.yuki.la/e/d5/bebed0de032f399b0847060225f66184603955c8b24250e28d aaced5eb854d5e.png

https://pics.me.me/narendra-modi-narendramodi-follow-as-prime-minister-of-india-superpower-27561937.png

no one one in the USA knows about what goes on in India. Here, they associate us basically with being Hindus, vegetarians, tech workers, physicians, engineers, the owner of the nearest 7-11 or motel, etc.

Yes India has its problems and lots of them. But do you really someone with an Italian name would be chosen over an Indian name when applying to some high tech company?

[MagnusAurelius]

no one one in the USA knows about what goes on in India. Here, they associate us basically with being Hindus, vegetarians, tech workers, physicians, engineers, the owner of the nearest 7-11 or motel, etc.

Yes India has its problems and lots of them. But do you really someone with an Italian name would be chosen over an Indian name when applying to some high tech company?

Or they can hire based on merit.

Curryincel little Fractal.

[MagnusAurelius]

I'm pretty sure if India can launch rockets into space, send probes to mars, and put 104 satelites into orbit (world record), it could easily solve it's public defecation problem.

Overpopulation is the primary reason for this just like the rest of the country's problems.

http://images.newindianexpress.com/uploads/user/imagelibrary/2017/2/16/original/ISRO1.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uvFfxGKephg/maxresdefault.jpg

India doesn't even have deep space travel capabilities or any Black projects, I'm sure of it. Don't even try to make comparisons, just accept that India is inferior, you know it's true. China also doesn't have access to the advanced space technology but they are like a highly upgraded version of India where it's cleaner and much better infrastructure, far less discrimination against ethnic minorities.

[Fractal]

https://pics.onsizzle.com/q-pajeet-goes-to-the-moon-2526357.png

Italians also make great employees, your uncle or dad would love to work for an Indian business owner. lol

[Fractal]

India doesn't even have deep space travel capabilities or any Black projects, I'm sure of it. Don't even try to make comparisons, just accept that India is inferior, you know it's true. China also doesn't have access to the advanced space technology but they are like a highly upgraded version of India where it's cleaner and much better infrastructure, far less discrimination against ethnic minorities.

Hmm and Italy does? Italy was never known to be advanced in deep space travel capabilities. They hardly even have a conventional space program.

[MagnusAurelius]

Hmm and Italy does? Italy was never known to be advanced in deep space travel capabilities. They hardly even have a conventional space program.

Your Anti-Southern European views are boring, I look at things objectively and go by fact. India doesn't have any advanced technology, there is no doubt about it. Keep deluding yourself with Indian pride.

Hardly? Haha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Space_Agency These Agencies are nothing more than a cover for what really goes on anyway. They go to great lengths to conceal any development of advanced technology.

You didn't even read all this. Constantly say ignorant and stupid things on this forum, it's no surprise you were banned so many times and have more dislikes than likes.

http://www.naziufos.com/2016/03/06/giuseppe-belluzzo-italian-engineer-ufo/

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?225955-European-Cultures-Have-Expanded-Into-Deep-Space-Space-Romans-Will-Return-One-Day Your short term memory, you would brush it all off as a conspiracy theory like most people.


Italian source:
http://i.imgur.com/8nz8vfB.jpg

German source

"Hermann Oberth:

"we cannot take credit for our record advancement in certain scientific fields alone. We have been helped." When asked by whom, he replied, "the peoples of other worlds." (26)
(26) Collyns, Robin, 'Did Spacemen Colonise the Earth? p. 236, Pelham Books, London 1974 "

Wernher von Braun:

"Von Braun commented, "We find ourselves faced by powers, which are far stronger than we had hitherto assumed, and whose base is at present unknown to us. More I cannot say at present. We are now engaged in entering into closer contact with those powers, and in six or nine months it may be possible to speak with some precision on the matter." (27)
(27) 'News Europa' Jan 1959 "

With all this evidence, key people involved, it clearly hints that there is Italian UFO's.

[Hoxhaism]

of course white people appropriate the worst from any culture


https://youtu.be/Wsv0swEzs8c

tried looking it up, instead i found this :)

https://www.youtube.com/iPETAy9B6oE

[randomguy1235]

Overpopulation + Low IQ causes major issues.

Fixed

[GiCa]

Yeah.. My friends went on a tour in India but they had to return home after 2 days there because they got dissenteria, because of low immunology defences while local population is used to the not clean

[GiCa]

Italians also make great employees, your uncle or dad would love to work for an Indian business owner. lol

Nobody in italy works for indians

It s the reverse i stead.. They come here often illegally asking for works

If you weren't there just full of yourself we and I could have made also good remarks on Indians. But with you I would never do

Also Italy beats India on nobel prizes

And the population ratio is like a grain of salt (Italians) in the zillions of Indians in this planet

So on average we got por prizes per capita than you

What do Indians do in italy? The most clever or economically lucky own their restaurants, or minimarket open 24hours with illegal competitiveness as majicalkt we Don the know if an Italian does that he get with a big fine but you not. (slavery? Your mafia?)

The most unlucky sells illegally bracelets at the sea side under the sun to italians

There is also a category thought that is requested and actually needed.. Those who are involved in beef farms but subordinated to Italian work givers


So there is no special most gifted ethnicity than other, your ethnicity in the world has the same opportunity and rights like the others

[JohnSmith]

Fixed

IQ is somewhat relative and subjective.

[GiCa]

The slurs and intolerance in this thread is creepy (I would never or they would never write offensively to Indians if it wasn't true for you)

But I Don t blame them as you offend always the others

Also in this Europe Cultural Forum and I remark EUROPE CULTURAL we Don t care what you think of us mostly because India it s very far away from Europe

Also USA is very far away from India, they care 0 about you and care more with right to Mexico as it geographically bordering

[GiCa]

I ve had good exoerience as a side positive note with Indians in my job, it was an enrichment as I met the existing middle class of India, so far away from the Maria Theresa of Calcut images we have of Indians

Anyway that work was an enrichment for me as I had contact with the ethnicities of all the world

[Вavhat]

Overpopulation + Low IQ causes major issues.
Fixed

India IQ is not low, it is similar to world average.
https://static.iq-research.info/20150809/img/iq_by_country.png
It makes sense, given India's diversity, there are many groups with different IQs who average to the world average.

Levantines/West Asians like you don't have higher IQ than average Indians anyways. Only Europeans and Mongoloids do and not all of them.

India 82
Lebanon 82
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

Also, India's IQ is increasing as India is developing.

[Fractal]

The slurs and intolerance in this thread is creepy (I would never or they would never write offensively to Indians if it wasn't true for you)

But I Don t blame them as you offend always the others

Also in this Europe Cultural Forum and I remark EUROPE CULTURAL we Don t care what you think of us mostly because India it s very far away from Europe

Also USA is very far away from India, they care 0 about you and care more with right to Mexico as it geographically bordering

Indians are actually one of the most liked ethnic minority froups in the USA. Especially in the midwest Whites are very friendly towards at least me and the other Indians I happen to know. My relatives out in Naperville for example have no issues.

Continue with your butthurt, Alessandra Faguzzi Fetuccini.

[Mortimer]

Good thing even if you make fun, but in 20 years if it works out you wont make fun anymore. Good thing. I love Mr. Modi

[Fractal]

Nobody in italy works for indians

It s the reverse i stead.. They come here often illegally asking for works

If you weren't there just full of yourself we and I could have made also good remarks on Indians. But with you I would never do

Also Italy beats India on nobel prizes

And the population ratio is like a grain of salt (Italians) in the zillions of Indians in this planet

So on average we got por prizes per capita than you

What do Indians do in italy? The most clever or economically lucky own their restaurants, or minimarket open 24hours with illegal competitiveness as majicalkt we Don the know if an Italian does that he get with a big fine but you not. (slavery? Your mafia?)

The most unlucky sells illegally bracelets at the sea side under the sun to italians

There is also a category thought that is requested and actually needed.. Those who are involved in beef farms but subordinated to Italian work givers


So there is no special most gifted ethnicity than other, your ethnicity in the world has the same opportunity and rights like the others

I don't care about Italy, Alessandra Priolo.

Here in the USA we have Whiteys working for us, as well as as Mexicans and Blacks. The reason why Indians in Italy are such lower class types is because the more ambitious and educated Indians immigrate to the USA or Canada. Why would anyone with a PhD in computer engineering for instance choose Italy or Portugal over the Netherlands or USA? The latter two countres are much more technically advanced and have more job opportunities in those fields.