Balkan Turk GEDmatch results

[Hudayar]

His father is from Greece Kozani and his mother is from Macedonia

MDLP K23b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.51
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.88
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.68
4 Near_East 5.63
5 South_Central_Asian 5.39
6 Tungus-Altaic 2.55
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.38
8 North_African 1.68
9 Australoid 1.26
10 East_Siberian 1.24
11 African_Pygmy 1.04


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 6.544391
2 Greek_Northwest_ @ 7.134318
3 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.244408
4 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 7.403837
5 Gagauz_ @ 7.743945
6 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 7.788754
7 Bulgarian_ @ 8.002268
8 Kosovar_ @ 8.258061
9 Romanian_ @ 8.454732
10 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 8.469614
11 Central_Greek_ @ 8.913568
12 Macedonian_ @ 9.671342
13 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 10.103348
14 Greek_ @ 10.730290
15 Montenegrian_ @ 11.920943
16 Greek_Athens_ @ 12.211871
17 Italian_North_ @ 12.432179
18 Ashkenazi_ @ 12.573441
19 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 13.361238
20 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 13.573918

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serb_Serbia_ +50% Turk_Balikesir_ @ 2.848598


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek_ +25% Greek_Northwest_ +25% Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.178673


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 1.880302
2 Albanian_Tirana_ + Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 1.922729
3 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 1.975414
4 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + German_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Turk_Aydin_ @ 2.059232
5 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Peloponnesos_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.077143
6 Central_Greek_ + Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.080682
7 Albanian_Tirana_ + Bulgarian_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.081470
8 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Abruzzo_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.085079
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Bergamo_ + Slovak_ + Turk_Aydin_ @ 2.088884
10 Azov_Greek_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.103130
11 Albanian_Tirana_ + Azov_Greek_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.112477
12 Gagauz_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Kosovar_ + Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 2.118680
13 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.128006
14 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.130313
15 Central_Greek_ + Greek_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.132738
16 Central_Greek_ + Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.136379
17 Albanian_Tirana_ + Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.143573
18 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ + Greek_Thessaloniki_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Tatar-Mishar_ @ 2.146717
19 Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Northwest_ + Greek_Thessaly_ + Tatar-Kazan_ @ 2.157527
20 Croat_BH_ + Italian_Abruzzo_ + Kosovar_ + Nogai_ @ 2.157625

Done.

Elapsed time 54.1586 seconds.
Dodecad K7b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 45.38
2 West_Asian 25.47
3 Southern 23.61
4 Siberian 3.35
5 East_Asian 1.98


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
7 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 8.962394
2 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 10.023177
3 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 10.179361
4 Tuscan_HGDP @ 10.742151
5 Romanians_Behar @ 11.043639
6 Greek_Dodecad @ 11.763844
7 TSI30_Metspalu @ 12.107388
8 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 12.442495
9 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 15.569071
10 North_Italian_HGDP @ 17.153603
11 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 17.585405
12 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 18.631527
13 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 19.493341
14 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 19.747021
15 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 23.693575
16 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 24.509420
17 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 24.682188
18 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 24.777052
19 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 24.863493
20 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 25.101366

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriots_Behar +50% Mordovians_Yunusbayev @ 2.184728


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque_HGDP +25% Georgians_Behar +25% Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 0.916024


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenians_Behar + French_HGDP + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 0.753398
2 Armenians_Behar + French_HGDP + French_Basque_HGDP + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 0.772077
3 Armenians_Behar + French_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 0.833361
4 Armenians_Behar + French_Basque_HGDP + French_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 0.844840
5 Georgians_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 0.848776
6 French_Basque_HGDP + Georgians_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 0.885212
7 French_Basque_HGDP + French_Basque_HGDP + Georgians_Behar + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 0.916024
8 Cantabria_1000Genomes + Russian_B_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad @ 0.967503
9 Cantabria_1000Genomes + Russian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad @ 1.019029
10 Cantabria_1000Genomes + Russian_B_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad + Turks_Behar @ 1.024709
11 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 1.065281
12 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + French_HGDP + French_Basque_HGDP + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 1.090545
13 German_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.092504
14 French_Basque_HGDP + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 1.096523
15 Argyll_1000Genomes + Cypriots_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 1.103245
16 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 1.114632
17 Cantabria_1000Genomes + Russian_Dodecad + Turkish_Dodecad + Turks_Behar @ 1.125406
18 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev + French_HGDP + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 1.127281
19 Dutch_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.131479
20 Georgia_Jews_Behar + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Nogais_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 1.132720

Done.

Elapsed time 0.3760 seconds.
Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.69
2 Baltic 22.11
3 North_Atlantic 17.97
4 West_Med 14.36
5 West_Asian 13.32
6 Siberian 3.18
7 East_Asian 1.06


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 7.983203
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.833528
3 Romanian @ 10.540755
4 Serbian @ 14.852921
5 Central_Greek @ 15.622464
6 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.518248
7 East_Sicilian @ 17.087404
8 Ashkenazi @ 17.556452
9 West_Sicilian @ 18.496149
10 Tuscan @ 19.064184
11 Moldavian @ 19.836374
12 South_Italian @ 20.456852
13 North_Italian @ 22.441561
14 Croatian @ 23.497019
15 Hungarian @ 23.508982
16 Sephardic_Jewish @ 25.917866
17 Italian_Jewish @ 25.930040
18 Algerian_Jewish @ 25.971159
19 Austrian @ 27.390617
20 Turkish @ 28.276918

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% South_Polish @ 4.768610


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Tatar @ 4.079902


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
1 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.656495
2 Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.855378
3 Bulgarian + Erzya + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan @ 3.887959
4 Central_Greek + Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian @ 3.892263
5 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian @ 3.920633
6 Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian @ 3.920732
7 Bulgarian + Erzya + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.933610
8 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.956397
9 Erzya + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian @ 3.959301
10 Central_Greek + Erzya + Lebanese_Druze + Serbian @ 3.978183
11 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + East_Finnish + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.998895
12 Erzya + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + West_Sicilian @ 4.003441
13 Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Druze + Moldavian + South_Italian @ 4.011654
14 Central_Greek + Erzya + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian @ 4.015283
15 Central_Greek + Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Druze + Serbian @ 4.017260
16 Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.029153
17 Erzya + Lebanese_Druze + Serbian + South_Italian @ 4.031596
18 Bulgarian + Erzya + Lebanese_Druze + West_Sicilian @ 4.052720
19 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Tatar @ 4.079902
20 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Southwest_Russian @ 4.111659

Done.

Elapsed time 1.1041 seconds.

[Bosniensis]

Those are not Turks, but Turkish speaking populace of Turkey :)

[Hudayar]

Those are not Turks, but Turkish speaking populace of Turkey :)

1 50% Bulgarian +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Tatar @ 4.079902
1 50% Serb_Serbia_ +50% Turk_Balikesir_ @ 2.848598
1 50% French_Basque_HGDP +25% Georgians_Behar +25% Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 0.916024


say otherwise.

[Bosniensis]

1 50% Bulgarian +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Tatar @ 4.079902
1 50% Serb_Serbia_ +50% Turk_Balikesir_ @ 2.848598
1 50% French_Basque_HGDP +25% Georgians_Behar +25% Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 0.916024


say otherwise.

yea they mixed with Turks but anyway.. 50/50

[Hudayar]

yea they mixed with Turks but anyway.. 50/50

who you mean by "they"?

[Journeyman26]

Similar to my Greek mothers


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 40.73
2 European_Early_Farmers 20.96
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 20.61
4 Near_East 8.85
5 South_Central_Asian 2.92
6 North_African 2.74
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.07


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 3.338188
2 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 3.339412
3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 3.888839
4 Central_Greek_ @ 4.119270
5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 4.407797
6 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 4.733831
7 Greek_ @ 4.989991
8 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.670466
9 Greek_Northwest_ @ 6.738966
10 Kosovar_ @ 7.484199
11 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.889003
12 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 7.941776
13 Gagauz_ @ 8.715474
14 Italian_South_ @ 9.115573
15 Romanian_Jew_ @ 9.231603
16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 9.812999
17 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 10.268639
18 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 10.929880
19 Sicilian_Center_ @ 11.161880
20 Romanian_ @ 11.529955

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Macedonia_ +50% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.818175


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Macedonia_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.818175

[Hudayar]

Similar to my Greek mothers


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 40.73
2 European_Early_Farmers 20.96
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 20.61
4 Near_East 8.85
5 South_Central_Asian 2.92
6 North_African 2.74
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.07


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 3.338188
2 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 3.339412
3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 3.888839
4 Central_Greek_ @ 4.119270
5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 4.407797
6 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 4.733831
7 Greek_ @ 4.989991
8 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.670466
9 Greek_Northwest_ @ 6.738966
10 Kosovar_ @ 7.484199
11 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.889003
12 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 7.941776
13 Gagauz_ @ 8.715474
14 Italian_South_ @ 9.115573
15 Romanian_Jew_ @ 9.231603
16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 9.812999
17 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 10.268639
18 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 10.929880
19 Sicilian_Center_ @ 11.161880
20 Romanian_ @ 11.529955

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Macedonia_ +50% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.818175


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Macedonia_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ +25% Greek_Thessaly_ @ 1.818175

check my other thread
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226479-Turkish-GEDmatch-results-(Central-Anatolian)

[BalkanTurk]

Those are not Turks, but Turkish speaking populace of Turkey :)These GEDmatch results are mine.

I am not a non-Turk from Turkey that speaks Turkish. I am a Turk. I've noticed that people can't or don't like to think out of the box, but my GEDmatch perfectly represent what I am; a Balkan Turk.

Saying I am just a Turkish-speaking non-Turk is like saying Greeks are Greek-speaking non-Greeks. The Greek language came from the Proto-Indo-European homeland in Ukraine/Russia. By means of migrations the Indo-Europeans spread to many regions in the world and assimilated the pre-Indo-European peoples of the regions they settled in. Some regions were settled by many Indo-European tribes, like Kyrgyzstan and Kashmir, but others not so much. Genetic studies show that Greeks barely have ancestry from Indo-Europeans, especially Cretans who often show no trace of Indo-European ancestry at all. What happened is, after 3000 BC the Greek Indo-European tribes who were heavily outnumbered by pre-Greeks imposed their identity and language on the pre-Greeks, who had their own identity and language but lost those due to the assimilation. The modern Greeks are primarily descended from pre-Greeks.

The exact same process happened to Turks. There are two differences : 1. Turks have more Central Asian ancestry than Greeks have Indo-European ancestry 2. Anatolian Turks assimilated and mixed with non-Turks after 1071 while Greeks assimilated and mixed with non-Greeks around 3000-1500 BC.

So if you say Turks are fake Turks, Greeks must be fake Greeks too...

But this makes no sense. Modern ethnicities were created by the synthesis of different peoples like Hunter Gatherers, Neolithic Farmers, Indo-Europeans etc.

Even Bosniaks are a mixture of many elements. You are Celtic, Illyrian, Slavic etc. but that you are one thing, a Bosniak Slav, does not change because your ethnicity is made by a synthesis of different populations.

Bottom line : I am not a Turkish-speaking non-Turk. I am a Turkish speaking Turk and that will never change.

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[BalkanTurk]

Those are not Turks, but Turkish speaking populace of Turkey :)I forgot to state that Turks are not just more Central Asian than Greeks are Indo-European, they are WAY more Central Asian than Greeks are Indo-European. GEDmatch shows I, a Balkan Turk, could be 25% Tatar and some other Central Asian ethnicities. Anatolian Turks are often even 50% Central Asian according to GEDmatch.

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[Hadouken]

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[Bobby Martnen]

These GEDmatch results are mine.

I am not a non-Turk from Turkey that speaks Turkish. I am a Turk. I've noticed that people can't or don't like to think out of the box, but my GEDmatch perfectly represent what I am; a Balkan Turk.

Saying I am just a Turkish-speaking non-Turk is like saying Greeks are Greek-speaking non-Greeks. The Greek language came from the Proto-Indo-European homeland in Ukraine/Russia. By means of migrations the Indo-Europeans spread to many regions in the world and assimilated the pre-Indo-European peoples of the regions they settled in. Some regions were settled by many Indo-European tribes, like Kyrgyzstan and Kashmir, but others not so much. Genetic studies show that Greeks barely have ancestry from Indo-Europeans, especially Cretans who often show no trace of Indo-European ancestry at all. What happened is, after 3000 BC the Greek Indo-European tribes who were heavily outnumbered by pre-Greeks imposed their identity and language on the pre-Greeks, who had their own identity and language but lost those due to the assimilation. The modern Greeks are primarily descended from pre-Greeks.

The exact same process happened to Turks. There are two differences : 1. Turks have more Central Asian ancestry than Greeks have Indo-European ancestry 2. Anatolian Turks assimilated and mixed with non-Turks after 1071 while Greeks assimilated and mixed with non-Greeks around 3000-1500 BC.

So if you say Turks are fake Turks, Greeks must be fake Greeks too...

But this makes no sense. Modern ethnicities were created by the synthesis of different peoples like Hunter Gatherers, Neolithic Farmers, Indo-Europeans etc.

Even Bosniaks are a mixture of many elements. You are Celtic, Illyrian, Slavic etc. but that you are one thing, a Bosniak Slav, does not change because your ethnicity is made by a synthesis of different populations.

Bottom line : I am not a Turkish-speaking non-Turk. I am a Turkish speaking Turk and that will never change.

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Yeah you have some Siberian/East-Central Asian admixture which virtually all ethnic Europeans lack. You're a Turk.

[Leto]

Yeah you have some Siberian/East-Central Asian admixture which virtually all ethnic Europeans lack. You're a Turk.
He's no more Siberian than myself. Just saying. I'm 5-8% depending on the calculator, so let's say 6%.

[BalkanTurk]

He's no more Siberian than myself. Just saying. I'm 5-8% depending on the calculator, so let's say 6%.But do your population combinations include any Turkic peoples like Tatars, Turkmens, Uzbeks or Nogais? Because mine do. My autosomal DNA results also showed I have Central Asian ancestry.

But does that even matter? Even if I did not have it I would still be a Turk.

[Leto]

But do your population combinations include any Turkic peoples like Tatars, Turkmens, Uzbeks or Nogais? Because mine do. My autosomal DNA results also showed I have Central Asian ancestry.

But does that even matter? Even if I did not have it I would still be a Turk.
Well, I never said you weren't. Though it seems that Balkan Turks assimilated some local populations. Probably some Islamicized Bulgarians or something of that kind.

[Hudayar]

Well, I never said you weren't. Though it seems that Balkan Turks assimilated some local populations. Probably some Islamicized Bulgarians or something of that kind.

Turkification is like some kind of a snowball effect i think. whereever Turks go they either kill off the population or just assimilate them (by mixing with them).

[Leto]

Turkification is like some kind of a snowball effect i think. whereever Turks go they either kill off the population or just assimilate them (by mixing with them).
The indigenous Kurds of Southeastern Turkey are still around though.

[Hudayar]

The indigenous Kurds of Southeastern Turkey are still around though.

Kurds are not indigenous to Eastern Turkey. They were brought by Seljuks to Islamize Eastern Anatolia. Land taken from Armenians/Byzantines were sold to Kurdish nomadic chiefs.

[BalkanTurk]

Kurds are not indigenous to Eastern Turkey. They were brought by Seljuks to Islamize Eastern Anatolia. Land taken from Armenians/Byzantines were sold to Kurdish nomadic chiefs.In addition many Kurds migrated to the Sunni Ottoman empire while Shia Turcomans migrated to the Safavid empire.

[Hadouken]

Kurds are not indigenous to Eastern Turkey. They were brought by Seljuks to Islamize Eastern Anatolia. Land taken from Armenians/Byzantines were sold to Kurdish nomadic chiefs.

we alevi kurds were brought by seljuks to islamize eastern anatolia right ? Lol kurds are mostly native dude

What you say is true too but not the full truth

[Hudayar]

we alevi kurds were brought by seljuks to islamize eastern anatolia right ? Lol kurds are mostly native dude

What you say is true too but not the full truth

Alevism afaik appeared in Anatolia after Seljuk conquests.

[Pahli]

Kurds are not indigenous to Eastern Turkey. They were brought by Seljuks to Islamize Eastern Anatolia. Land taken from Armenians/Byzantines were sold to Kurdish nomadic chiefs.

True but not completely, there is historical records of Kurdish settlements in Eastern Anatolia prior to Turkish migration to Anatolia, some even fought for the Byzantines lol

[Hudayar]

True but not completely, there is historical records of Kurdish settlements in Eastern Anatolia prior to Turkish migration to Anatolia, some even fought for the Byzantines lol

Even some Turkic tribes (not pechenegs) lived in Byzantine Anatolia before Seljuks. But my point was neither the Kurds nor the Turks were a significant minority/majority in Byzantine Anatolia.

[Hadouken]

Alevism afaik appeared in Anatolia after Seljuk conquests.

lol everybody says something else. Kipchak hakan said kurds are mostly native and you say otherwise. Many turks say alevism was brought by turkmens you say otherwise

Oh my turkish brothers you so silly

whatever this thread is about balkan turks . I am sick of reading the word kurd in every second thread

[Leto]

True but not completely, there is historical records of Kurdish settlements in Eastern Anatolia prior to Turkish migration to Anatolia, some even fought for the Byzantines lol
I support Iraqi Kurdistan. Fuck Arabs, they have a lot of lands to live on. And Iraq is not even a real nation, just a state created by the British.

[BalkanTurk]

we alevi kurds were brought by seljuks to islamize eastern anatolia right ? Lol kurds are mostly native dude

What you say is true too but not the full truthAlevi Kurds are just converts. Your ancestors were Sunni Kurds and Armenians that accepted Alevism in Dersim. Many historians have stated that a big chunk of the Armenian population of Dersim willingly converted to Alevism and became Kurds.

Don't forget that Alevism is a Turkic branch of Islam. There are many shamanistic Turkic rituals involved in Alevism.

I have made an elaborate answer about the origin of the Kurds in a Quora post of mine, I'll try to find it and send it to you. This is the summary:

Kurds are actually a synthesis or amalgamation of different peoples, hence they speak more than 7 different dialects or even seperate languages. After the Islamic invasions, the Arabs called all nomadic Iranic tribes "Kurd." In addition, "Kwrt" means "tent-dweller" in Middle Persian. So all Iranic tribes that migrated northwest along with the Turkic tribes, called themselves "Kurds." I know you are a Zaza. Especially Zazas have originally nothing to do with the other Kurds. Your homeland's name according to your people is "Dimli" or "Daylami", and those names are very similar to the name of a place in the southern Caspian region of Iran. In addition, linguists have shown that the Zazaki language is closely related to languages like Sangsari, Mazanderani etc. all from the southern Caspian coast.

This is the case for all Kurds. You all have different origins, but were all called Kurds, all became Kurds and all migrated northwest.

[Hadouken]

Alevi Kurds are just converts. Your ancestors were Sunni Kurds and Armenians that accepted Alevism in Dersim. Many historians have stated that a big chunk of the Armenian population of Dersim willingly converted to Alevism and became Kurds.

Don't forget that Alevism is a Turkic branch of Islam. There are many shamanistic Turkic rituals involved in Alevism.

I have made an elaborate answer about the origin of the Kurds in a Quora post of mine, I'll try to find it and send it to you. This is the summary:

Kurds are actually a synthesis or amalgamation of different peoples, hence they speak more than 7 different dialects or even seperate languages. After the Islamic invasions, the Arabs called all nomadic Iranic tribes "Kurd." In addition, "Kwrt" means "tent-dweller" in Middle Persian. So all Iranic tribes that migrated northwest along with the Turkic tribes, called themselves "Kurds." I know you are a Zaza. Especially Zazas have originally nothing to do with the other Kurds. Your homeland's name according to your people is "Dimli" or "Daylami", and those names are very similar to the name of a place in the southern Caspian region of Iran. In addition, linguists have shown that the Zazaki language is closely related to languages like Sangsari, Mazanderani etc. all from the southern Caspian coast.

This is the case for all Kurds. You all have different origins, but were all called Kurds, all became Kurds and all migrated northwest.

bro thats nonsense (mostly)

it is true that zazas come from the caspian area originally .

but in general zazas are also very close to "normal" kurmanci kurds genetically and many consider themselves as kurdish too

some alevi zazas are actually turks or part turks I think though btw.

also tunceli is not full zaza . we are zaza + kurmanci (I am myself a mix of it) . we have armenians too but they know they are armenians . it is not true that we "are" converted armenians . we are just autosomally 75-80% similar to armenians and people like georgian jews , tats etc

we are mostly kurdish . we also have some turkish admix here and there probably because we are alevis and have also geographical proximity to turkish provinces


here my k13 for example

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 West_Asian 36.07
2 East_Med 30.76
3 West_Med 8.28
4 South_Asian 6.82
5 Red_Sea 6.05
6 North_Atlantic 4.62
7 Baltic 2.78
8 Siberian 1.29
9 Sub-Saharan 1.28
10 East_Asian 1.21
11 Amerindian 0.84

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Azeri 4.04
2 Kurdish 4.85
3 Iranian 6.24
4 Armenian 7.52
5 Turkish 7.58
6 Georgian_Jewish 7.92
7 Assyrian 9.87
8 Iranian_Jewish 12.29
9 Kurdish_Jewish 12.78
10 Kumyk 15.64
11 Lebanese_Muslim 15.99
12 Georgian 17
13 Turkmen 17.02
14 Syrian 17.05
15 Adygei 18.25
16 Abhkasian 18.48
17 Balkar 19.41
18 Ossetian 19.83
19 Cyprian 20.28
20 Kabardin 20.68


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurdish +50% Turkish @ 2.958184


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Kurdish @ 2.185565

[BalkanTurk]

bro thats nonsense (mostly)

it is true that zazas come from the caspian area originally .

but in general zazas are also very close to "normal" kurmanci kurds genetically and many consider themselves as kurdish too

some alevi zazas are actually turks or part turks I think though btw.

also tunceli is not full zaza . we are zaza + kurmanci (I am myself a mix of it) . we have armenians too but they know they are armenians . it is not true that we "are" converted armenians . we are just autosomally 75-80% similar to armenians and people like georgian jews , tats etc

we are mostly kurdish . we also have some turkish admix here and there probably because we are alevis and have also geographical proximity to turkish provinces


here my k13 for example

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent

1West_Asian36.07
2East_Med30.76
3West_Med8.28
4South_Asian6.82
5Red_Sea6.05
6North_Atlantic4.62
7Baltic2.78
8Siberian1.29
9Sub-Saharan1.28
10East_Asian1.21
11Amerindian0.84

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance

1Azeri4.04
2Kurdish4.85
3Iranian6.24
4Armenian7.52
5Turkish7.58
6Georgian_Jewish7.92
7Assyrian9.87
8Iranian_Jewish12.29
9Kurdish_Jewish12.78
10Kumyk15.64
11Lebanese_Muslim15.99
12Georgian17
13Turkmen17.02
14Syrian17.05
15Adygei18.25
16Abhkasian18.48
17Balkar19.41
18Ossetian19.83
19Cyprian20.28
20Kabardin20.68


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurdish +50% Turkish @ 2.958184


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Kurdish @ 2.185565I'm sorry if I gave you the impression you are just Armenian converts. That's not what I meant. I tried to say that they make up a portion of your ancestry. Apparently, you are possibly also part Turkish which does not surprise me since Alevi Kurds and Turks belong to the same faith and thus do generally not face any obstacles to marry each other.

But what I said is not untrue. The Kurds are an amalgamation of different peoples that migrated northwest. This does not make you any less rightful to live in the lands you inhabit though, mentioning these things is just preserving history.

[Hadouken]

I'm sorry if I gave you the impression you are just Armenian converts. That's not what I meant. I tried to say that they make up a portion of your ancestry. Apparently, you are possibly also part Turkish which does not surprise me since Alevi Kurds and Turks belong to the same faith and thus do generally not face any obstacles to marry each other.

But what I said is not untrue. The Kurds are an amalgamation of different peoples that migrated northwest. This does not make you any less rightful to live in the lands you inhabit though, mentioning these things is just preserving history.

I am not offended by the armenian thing (I have nothing against armenians as long as they dont have anything against us . I also consider them to be close people to us racially)

nor anything else you say . especially since you explain your thoughts respectfully . thank you very much for this :)

I dont understand the amalgamation thing though . I mean if you want to apply this on us isnt the very same appliable to every ethnicity on the planet ?

what is undoubtable is the fact that we are mostly kurdish as you see on our genetic results too . ( also as you see the turkish influence is not much in me . I am suspecting that I am 30-35% anatolian turkish but I am not sure about it

funnily enough is one of the 2 population options on k13 too xD

63.1% Kurdish + 36.9% Turkish @ 2.45

but mostly kurdish )

[BalkanTurk]

I am not offended by the armenian thing (I have nothing against armenians as long as they dont have anything against us . I also consider them to be close people to us racially)

nor anything else you say . especially since you explain your thoughts respectfully . thank you very much for this :)

I dont understand the amalgamation thing though . I mean if you want to apply this on us isnt the very same appliable to every ethnicity on the planet ?

what is undoubtable is the fact that we are mostly kurdish as you see on our genetic results too . ( also as you see the turkish influence is not much in me . I am suspecting that I am 30-35% anatolian turkish but I am not sure about it

funnily enough is one of the 2 population options on k13 too xD

63.1%Kurdish+36.9%Turkish@2.45

but mostly kurdish )You're absolutely right! Every ethnicity that's ever existed assimilated peoples of different origins. I can say the same things about Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians etc. Ethnicities are formed by the unification of different peoples. That is why I get annoyed when people say Turks are just turkified, while assimilation is literally how every single ethnicity on earth was formed.

And indeed, you are closely related to Kurds and that is no shocker. You most likely mixed with each other, but the Zaza identity for sure originates from the southern Caspian coast.

Well, that you have Turkish in you proves once again that racism is the dumbest thing ever. We are all related to each other, especially us people from Turkey - Iran. I would never insult anyone, especially not someone from regions in or surrounding my country, for their background. Treat others the way you want them to treat you. :)

[Hadouken]

can I see your results btw.

have you posted them ?

[BalkanTurk]

can I see your results btw.

have you posted them ?This thread is about my results actually.

[Hadouken]

This thread is about my results actually.

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Oh ok :D funny that Leto posts them . nice I will take a look

[Hadouken]

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[Leto]

funny that Leto posts them .
Do I?:confused:

[BalkanTurk]

Oh ok :D funny that Leto posts them . nice I will take a lookHudayar posted them. Lol my phone keeps sending "verstuurd vanaf...." by default. I don't know how to turn it off so I just erase it after I sent a message.

[Hadouken]

Hudayar posted them. Lol my phone keeps sending "verstuurd vanaf...." by default. I don't know how to turn it off so I just erase it after I sent a message.

oops sorry leto haha i am on phone therefore confused it

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