Y-DNA R1a spread from Iran

[Vlatko Vukovic]

While this conclusion was something more or less reachable with previous data (see HERE for example), a new study adds some fine detail for us to reconstruct the paleohistory of this major Eurasian lineage.

Peter A. Underhill et al., The phylogenetic and geographic structure of Y-chromosome haplogroup R1a. EJHG 2014.

"R1a-M420 is one of the most widely spread Y-chromosome haplogroups; however, its substructure within Europe and Asia has remained poorly characterized. Using a panel of 16 244 male subjects from 126 populations sampled across Eurasia, we identified 2923 R1a-M420 Y-chromosomes and analyzed them to a highly granular phylogeographic resolution. Whole Y-chromosome sequence analysis of eight R1a and five R1b individuals suggests a divergence time of ~25 000 (95% CI: 21 300–29 000) years ago and a coalescence time within R1a-M417 of ~5800 (95% CI: 4800–6800) years. The spatial frequency distributions of R1a sub-haplogroups conclusively indicate two major groups, one found primarily in Europe and the other confined to Central and South Asia. Beyond the major European versus Asian dichotomy, we describe several younger sub-haplogroups. Based on spatial distributions and diversity patterns within the R1a-M420 clade, particularly rare basal branches detected primarily within Iran and eastern Turkey, we conclude that the initial episodes of haplogroup R1a diversification likely occurred in the vicinity of present-day Iran."

This case, as well as many others, including that of its close relatives R1b and Q, illustrate why frequency is not the same as origin, which can only be inferred (if at all) by studying the hierarchical diversity of the lineage. These three lineages for example, must have spread from West Asia but they are relatively less important in numbers in that region today, overshadowed by other lineages, notably J. Instead their derived branches had major impacts in other regions (Europe, South and Central Asia, Siberia and America).

[Ülev]

man, I always liked R1a, always!

[Vlatko Vukovic]

man, I always liked R1a, always!

R1ethel is your hero now, i guess :bounce

[Ülev]

R1ethel is your hero now, i guess :bounce

nah, I just like warmer climate conditions, and don't like all those Yamnaya and Hypeboreia theories

[Proto-Shaman]

http://s06.radikal.ru/i179/1608/50/b6ff13b5574f.jpg

Kivisild et al. 2017, The study of human Y chromosome variation through ancient DNA (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5418327/)


"Extremely rare extant sub-clades of R1a, such as R1a4-YP5061, R1a5-YP1272, and R1a6-YP4141 (Fig. 7), may bear witness to a long-term continuity of such old genetic lineages while the majority of present-day R1a and R1b lineages in West Eurasia derives from just a handful of Late Neolithic/Early Bronze Age male founders."

[Viking]

every shits came from Parsia

[Vlatko Vukovic]

http://s06.radikal.ru/i179/1608/50/b6ff13b5574f.jpg

Kivisild et al. 2017, The study of human Y chromosome variation through ancient DNA (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5418327/)

R1a-M417 bassinet of scythian tribes (including Sarmatians) lol

[Ülev]

https://youtu.be/fghnKg4ItGQ

[Vlatko Vukovic]

every shits came from Parsia

There is adage: "Iran is bassinet of civilisation". It have sense ofc :D

btw. Persians are just 1 of a lot tribes who origin from there :D

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/R1a_origins_%28Underhill_2010%29_and_R1a1a_oldest_ expansion_and_highest_frequency_%282014%29.jpg

[Ülev]

are you R1ethel's clone by any chance?

































(jk)

[Vlatko Vukovic]

are you R1ethel's clone by any chance?

































(jk)

lol i didn't do DNA test , still

But i am guessing myself R1a haha

[Ülev]

lol i didn't do DNA test , still

But i am guessing myself R1a haha

but please, be at least Z-280 or even Z-93

[Vlatko Vukovic]

but please, be at least Z-280 or even Z-93

why :laugh:

[Ülev]

why :laugh:

R1a agenda came from M458 wise guy, and I explained that M-458 is in fact more eastern than M-558

[Vlatko Vukovic]

R1a agenda came from M458 wise guy, and I explained that M-458 is in fact more eastern than M-558

So what?

I would have nothing against to be invader of M-558 xD

[Mucius Scaevola]

No, R1a is not originally from Iran, holders od R1a-Z93 came to Iran around 1000 BC as invaders from modern souhern Russia (between Black and Caspian sea).

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-M458.png

R1ethelia and Sundqvistia is base of R1a-M458 lol

[Vlatko Vukovic]

No, R1a is not originally from Iran, holders od R1a-Z93 came to Iran around 1000 BC as invaders from modern souhern Russia (between Black and Caspian sea).

but all r1a comes from Iran lol

[Mucius Scaevola]

The oldest bones with R1a are discovered in southwestern Siberia.

[Ülev]

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-M458.png

R1ethelia and Sundqvistia is base of R1a-M458 lol

but look, Kiev area is the homeland of Rethelites, Sundqvist always felt closer to Slovenes (if for anyone) with M558

[Jana]

No, R1a is not originally from Iran, holders od R1a-Z93 came to Iran around 1000 BC as invaders from modern souhern Russia (between Black and Caspian sea).
Basal R1a has highest diversity in west asia if I'm not mistaken.


So what?

I would have nothing against to be invader of M-558

Will you make DNA test ?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The oldest bones with R1a are discovered in southwestern Siberia.

And that must automatically mean that R1a is from southwestern Siberia?

[Dick]

The oldest bones with R1a are discovered in southwestern Siberia.

:laugh2:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Basal R1a has highest diversity in west asia if I'm not mistaken.



Will you make DNA test ?

Yeah.. Finances are a problem currently :D

[Vlatko Vukovic]

but look, Kiev area is the homeland of Rethelites, Sundqvist always felt closer to Slovenes (if for anyone) with M558

and that (near Kiev) was actually a homeland of Early Slavs :D :D

[Ülev]

and that (near Kiev) was actually a homeland of Early Slavs :D :D

there lived Polyanie and they came to Greater Poland = Wielkopolska ages ago, after that in Greater Poland appeared Polanie tribe too (early refugees), the same just happen nowadays - https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226509-2-mln-of-Ukrs-in-Poland-In-the-next-year-will-be-3-Don-t-you-think-enough-is-enough

[Mucius Scaevola]

And that must automatically mean that R1a is from southwestern Siberia?

So what, in most part of Siberia in far past lived caucasoid (white) people, mongoloids in western Siberia are relatively recent imigrants from eastern Asia.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

So what, in most part of Siberia in far past lived caucasoid (white) people, mongoloids in western Siberia are relatively recent imigrants from eastern Asia.

Lol... That should confirm a theory that haplogroup "N" is of white caucasoid origin?

[Jana]

So what, in most part of Siberia in far past lived caucasoid (white) people, mongoloids in western Siberia are relatively recent imigrants from eastern Asia.

R was discovered in Siberia, not R1a....or I am wrong ?

[Jana]

Yeah.. Finances are a problem currently :D

I think FTDNA have discount around Christmas

[Mucius Scaevola]

Lol... That should confirm a theory that haplogroup "N" is of white caucasoid origin?

Ancient city Arkaim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkaim is located in sothwestern Siberia, Arkaim was built by holders of R1a in 17th century BC, read professor Anatole Klyosov.

N haplogroup originated in eastern Asia and came first in western Siberia and later in northeastern Europe.
Early holders of N were 100% mongoloids but they mixed with caucasoiid people in western Siberia and eastern/northeastern Europe and because of that modern holders of N are mostly caucasoids.

[Proto-Shaman]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/R1a_origins_%28Underhill_2010%29_and_R1a1a_oldest_ expansion_and_highest_frequency_%282014%29.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/zKrRIHG.png

[Mucius Scaevola]

R was discovered in Siberia, not R1a....or I am wrong ?

The oldest bones with R1 are 20 000 years old and they are discovered in Siberia near Lake Baikal.
R1a is very ancient in western Siberia, holders of R1a lived in western Siberia before mongoloids (N and Q) came from east Asia.

[Rethel]

R was discovered in Siberia, not R1a....or I am wrong ?

Both, but in different times.
Anyway, R* who was discovered was a castizo.
In 75% was caucasian and 50% of very IE EHG.
It proofs her original EHGness. Period. This also
is the strongest trait, that whole R is IE.

[Dick]

I think FTDNA have discount around Christmas

He may be I2 Dinaric south but I'm just going by his surname.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Ancient city Arkaim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkaim is located in sothwestern Siberia, Arkaim was built by holders of R1a in 17th century BC, read professor Anatole Klyosov.

N haplogroup originated in eastern Asia and came first in western Siberia and later in northeastern Europe.
Early holders of N were 100% mongoloids but they mixed with caucasoiid people in western Siberia and eastern/northeastern Europe and because of that modern holders of N are mostly caucasoids.

Well, that have some sense.

[Jana]

He may be I2 Dinaric south but I'm just going by his surname.

Did somebody with his surname tested ?
If it isn't very common name, quite possible.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Did somebody with his surname tested ?
If it isn't very common name, quite possible.

my surname is massively in Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, with many different origins and not related to each other... xD So i have no chance to discover it without testing.

[Ülev]

ask Jovan Deretić

[Jana]

my surname is massively in Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, with many different origins and not related to each other... xD So i have no chance to discover it without testing.

I wish you to be R1a Z280 :thumb001:

[Dick]

Did somebody with his surname tested ?
If it isn't very common name, quite possible.

Yes. The one that was tested is I2 dinaric south from northern Montenegro.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://i.imgur.com/zKrRIHG.png

These branches are mostly common among Turks, and mostly probably the main factor in proto-Turkics...
Other branches are also foundable but rarer then those fantastic four.

http://i66.tinypic.com/20fzy2v.jpg

[Mucius Scaevola]

my surname is massively in Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, with many different origins and not related to each other... xD So i have no chance to discover it without testing.

Are you planning to tested soon?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I wish you to be R1a Z280 :thumb001:

balto-slavic. Possible, i dont know. But i think it is not very often in Bosnia.

[Dick]

I wish you to be R1a Z280 :thumb001:

My guess is that he's I2. I knew I was hg I even before I got my results.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Are you planning to tested soon?

yes..

[Vlatko Vukovic]

ask Jovan Deretić

he'll tell me that i am Illyrian (Serbian tribe) lol

[Mucius Scaevola]

But i think it is not very often in Bosnia.

Depends from which region of Bosnia is your origin, ussualy in the Balkans higher percentage of R1a is in the plains and velleys and mountain regions have less R1a, probably the same is in Bosnia.

[Ülev]

I, R1a blah blah blah, but it will be next surprise - he has G2a-L497 like EuropaNazione, and I predicted his result before he tested

[Jana]

balto-slavic. Possible, i dont know. But i think it is not very often in Bosnia.
Z280 is most common type of R1a in Bosnia, you have decent chance to get it :) Especially if your father is from eastern Bosnia. It seems to peak there.


My guess is that he's I2. I knew I was hg I even before I got my results.
My father knew too :D And I knew he will be I2.

But I wish R1a for Vlatko, it would be cool :)

[Jana]

I, R1a blah blah blah, but it will be next surprise - he has G2a-L497 like EuropaNazione, and I predicted his result before he tested

I predicted wrong for Stears though. Before he wrongly tought he was R1b, I was sure he will be R1a xD and than later he turned out I1.

Somehow I always imagined Stears as R1a, but he is not (to his satisfation :o )

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Depends from which region of Bosnia is your origin, ussualy in the Balkans higher percentage of R1a is in the plains and velleys and mountain regions have less R1a, probably the same is in Bosnia.

my grandfather is from very mountain region...

[Mucius Scaevola]

Z280 is most common type of R1a in Bosnia, you have decent chance to get it :) Especially if your father is from eastern Bosnia. It seems to peak there.


My father knew too :D And I knew he will be I2.

But I wish R1a for Vlatko, it would be cool :)

Z280 is more common among all south Slavs than M458 except among Bulgarians.
Bulgarians have more M458 than Z280, I'm not sure for Macedonians.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Z280 is most common type of R1a in Bosnia, you have decent chance to get it :) Especially if your father is from eastern Bosnia. It seems to peak there.

Grandfather is from central-Eastern Bosnia.

From Pale. This place is rounded of mountines, includin one of the biggest - Romanija.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Z280 is more common among all south Slavs than M458 except among Bulgarians.
Bulgarians have more M458 than Z280, I'm not sure for Macedonians.

I think that should be differneces between Anthes and Sclavenians. As Romans described them.

[Dick]

Grandfather is from central-Eastern Bosnia.

From Pale. This place is rounded of mountines, includin one of the biggest - Romanija.

60% chance you're I2 ;)

[Mucius Scaevola]

my grandfather is from very mountain region...

I don't know why R1a is more common in the valleys and plains and I2a-Din higher mountain regions but it's a fact for whole Balkans.

Even among east/west Slavs in mountain regions percentage of I2a-Din have higher percentage than in plains, for example I2a-Din is very common in Carpatians in western Ukraine and in plains is very weak, also Slovaks from mountain region in eastern Slovakia have high percentage of I2a-Din.

[Jana]

Grandfather is from central-Eastern Bosnia.

From Pale. This place is rounded of mountines, includin one of the biggest - Romanija.

Maybe you will be suprised with something third, who know. I cross fingers for R1a, you seem like you would be happy to have it :)
And somehow wishes come true; I guess you feel it subconsciously (lol I'm esoteric now xD)

My father wanted I2 from start, and he got it. Stears wanted northwestern European haplogroup, and he got it. I wish you the same!

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I don't know why R1a is more common in the valleys and plains and I2a-Din higher mountain regions but it's a fact.

I know. I2a-Din was hiding from the R1a invaders at the begginings....

[Jana]

I don't know why R1a is more common in the valleys and plains and I2a-Din higher mountain regions but it's a fact for whole Balkans.

Even among east/west Slavs in mountain regions percentage of I2a-Din is higher than in plains, for example I2a-Din is very common in Carpatians in western Ukraine and in plains is very weak, also Slovaks from mountain region in eastern Slovakia have high percentage of I2a-Din.

This is generally true, but not always. Slovenia is very mountanious and pred. R1a.

My paternal ancestry is from very lowland region (north BiH), but they carried I2-dinaric. Etc.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Maybe you will be suprised with something third, who know. I cross fingers for R1a, you seem like you would be happy to have it :)
And somehow wishes come true; I guess you feel it subconsciously (lol I'm esoteric now xD)

My father wanted I2 from start, and he got it. Stears wanted northwestern European haplogroup, and he got it. I wish you the same!

I am only hoping that i am not R1b. All other is acceptable.

[Ülev]

let me reveal the truth, the Aliens modified our genes, split them, so I wish I have A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,L,N,O,R,Q all together, the perfect man

[Mucius Scaevola]

I know. I2a-Din was hiding from the R1a invaders at the begginings....

Fact that I2a-Din have higher percentage in mountain region thans than in the plains is one of the main arguments fot theory that I2a-Din is Vlach origin and not Slavic, because Slavs are rare settled in the mountains and Vlachs lived in mountains as refugeees from Slavic invaders.

[Mucius Scaevola]

I am only hoping that i am not R1b. All other is acceptable.

Why? R1b is superior haplogroup in the world for many centuries.

[Mucius Scaevola]

This is generally true, but not always. Slovenia is very mountanious and pred. R1a.

My paternal ancestry is from very lowland region (north BiH), but they carried I2-dinaric. Etc.

Maybe your ancestors came from some mountain region in the past.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Fact that I2a-Din have higher percentage in mountain region thans than in the plains is one of the main arguments fot theory that I2a-Din is Vlach origin and not Slavic, because Slavs are rare settled in the mountains and Vlachs lived in mountains as refugeees from Slavic invaders.

I2a-Din comes with Slavs on Balkan...

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Why? R1b is superior haplogroup in the world for many centuries.

I would be alien by origin in my country, and also non-South Slavic by origin. It is 6% common in Bosnia.

[Jana]

Maybe your ancestors came from some mountain region in the past.

I doubt, they belonged to nobility, and these rarely went to mountains.

[Mucius Scaevola]

I2a-Din comes with Slavs on Balkan...

Probably yes, but geographical distribution of I2a-Din and R1a in the Balkans and even in parts of cetral and eastern Europe is weird.

[Jana]

I would be alien by origin in my country, and also non-South Slavic by origin. It is 6% common in Bosnia.

Most of R1b in Bosnia is eastern L23. It would mean you are Illyrian. So you have nothing to fear :)

[Kelmendasi]

I would be alien by origin in my country, and also non-South Slavic by origin. It is 6% common in Bosnia.
What if you are E-V13 or J2b2?

[Kelmendasi]

Most of R1b in Bosnia is eastern L23. It would mean you are Illyrian. So you have nothing to fear :)
Yh, a relative of the L23 guy found in Vucedol

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Most of R1b in Bosnia is eastern L23. It would mean you are Illyrian. So you have nothing to fear :)

In my opinion, i don't see any branch of R1b as Illyrian... but ok

Could be.

[Jana]

I think I2-dinaric were native Carpathian population (with far Scandinavian origin) that fussed with steppic R1a to form proto-Slavs. And they looked different from beginnings, I2 guys being darker and taller element among them. Both come to SEE with barbarian invasions, but maybe in different wawes.

[Jana]

In my opinion, i don't see any branch of R1b as Illyrian... but ok

Could be.

It's basically proven Illyrian, because it was found in Vučedol culture.

Btw this branch dominates among Albanians and Greeks.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

What if you are E-V13 or J2b2?

J2 is 5% in Bosnia, so really i don't expect those results.

E-V13, no one who are tested of my surname was not of this haplogroup, but i would have nothing against it.

[Mucius Scaevola]

I think I2-dinaric were native Carpathian population (with far Scandinavian origin) that fussed with steppic R1a to form proto-Slavs. And they looked different from beginnings, I2 guys being darker and taller element among them. Both come to SEE with barbarian invasions, but maybe in different wawes.

So you think that I2a-Din population and R1a population were mixed somewhere in Ukraine, but not much before they came together in the Balkans as Slavs in 7th century.

[Mucius Scaevola]

J2 is 5% in Bosnia, so really i don't expect those results.

E-V13, no one who are tested of my surname was not of this haplogroup, but i would have nothing against it.

Whether tested some people with your surname?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Whether tested some people with your surname?

Yes.

According to "Serbian DNA project" , there are 2 different tested families with my surname.

One is R1a-Z280, and second I2a-Dinaric

(i am much more closer to Serbia then Croatia by region).

[Jana]

So you think that I2a-Din population and R1a population were mixed somewhere in Ukraine, but not much before they came together in the Balkans as Slavs in 7th century.

Something like that. PS: Slavs start arriving already in 5th century AD

[Mucius Scaevola]

Yes.

According to "Serbian DNA project" , there are 2 different tested families with my surname.

One is R1a-Z280, and second I2a-Dinaric

(i am much more closer to Serbia then Croatia by region).

If someone of these 2 guys is your cousin than there is a big chance that you are same haplogroup as him.

What would you like more R1a or I2a-Din?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

If someone of these 2 guys is your cousin than there is a big chance that you are same haplogroup as him.

One is from southern Bosnia (R1a), other from a Montenegro (border with Bosnia) (I2a-Din).


would you like more

both is good, cant choose :D

[Mucius Scaevola]

One is from southern Bosnia (R1a), other from a Montenegro (border with Bosnia) (I2a-Din).



both is good, cant choose :D

For South Slavs I2a-Din and R1a are favorite haplogroups and that is logical. For non-Slavic Balkanites I2a-Din and R1a are the most hated haplogroups and that is also logical.

[Proto-Shaman]

Most of R1b in Bosnia is eastern L23. It would mean you are Illyrian. So you have nothing to fear :)

L23 is mainly Turkic.

http://www.r1b.org/imgs/Z2103_Yamnaya.png

[Vlatko Vukovic]

L23 is mainly Turkic.

http://www.r1b.org/imgs/Z2103_Yamnaya.png

https://yhrd.org/tools/branch/R1b-L23

Those places are settled by R1b-L23

[Jana]

Vučedol culture was not Turkic but Indo-European, so it is sensless debate. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vu%C4%8Dedol_culture

They were ancestors of Illyrians.

[Jana]

Vučedol Dove sculpture
http://hrturizam.hr/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/golubica2.jpg

[Kamal900]

Don't find it really surprising considering that many Iranian men today sleep around with many foreign women. Hell, my Iranian friend just "smashed" a Russian milf in Dubai recently after his graduation ceremony. Here's my Iranian friend on the right:
https://image.ibb.co/n0V5qm/IMG_20171031_WA0001.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTvTLvkiAbI

[Proto-Shaman]

Vučedol culture was not Turkic but Indo-European, so it is sensless debate. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vu%C4%8Dedol_culture

They were ancestors of Illyrians.

Incursion of the Yamna people into the Vučedol milieu, its Yamna people mixed with native European populations. Still Turkic, sorry sis. Maybe you can visit your Turkic sister country Bashkortostan in the near future?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sFAKuf_x2o

[Turkminator]

every shits came from Parsia

Anani sikim, Pahliski. Kiro-Troll!

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Incursion of the Yamna people into the Vučedol milieu, its Yamna people mixed with native European populations. Still Turkic, sorry sis. Maybe you can visit your Turkic sister country Bashkortostan in the near future?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sFAKuf_x2o

Yamna people, could be everyone.

[Ülev]

Yamna people, could be everyone.

not sure if her hands are long enough 0:35

and compare:

https://sociorocketnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/13660247512132986.jpg

source: https://rocketnews24.com/2013/04/18/318292/

[Massagetae]

Don't find it really surprising considering that many Iranian men today sleep around with many foreign women. Hell, my Iranian friend just "smashed" a Russian milf in Dubai recently after his graduation ceremony. Here's my Iranian friend on the right:
https://image.ibb.co/n0V5qm/IMG_20171031_WA0001.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTvTLvkiAbI

Jesus someone had sex with that thing. How much did she get?

Also how come persians look like hindoos?

[Rethel]

I predicted wrong for Stears though. Before he wrongly tought he was R1b, I was sure he will be R1a xD and than later he turned out I1.

Somehow I always imagined Stears as R1a, but he is not (to his satisfation :o )

You was misslead by his appearience.
It also something suggests about you :p

[Pahli]

Jesus someone had sex with that thing. How much did she get?

Also how come persians look like hindoos?

You and Anal Sandnigger are swarthier than me lmfao, stfu before I spam pics of swarthy "hindoo" looking Turkmens xD

[Jana]

You was misslead by his appearience.
It also something suggests about you :p

I admit, I prefer IE phenotype over OE (Cro-magnon), I think he looks more IE than OE despite being I1 :P

[Rethel]

I admit, I prefer IE phenotype over OE (Cro-magnon), I think he looks more IE than OE despite being I1 :P

Yes, he does. :)
You both can have many beautifull IE croatian
speaking daughters - as many as it is possible.
We will accept all of them :)

[Kamal900]

You and Anal Sandnigger are swarthier than me lmfao, stfu before I spam pics of swarthy "hindoo" looking Turkmens xD

The funny thing is that my friend also had sex with many Turkish women as well when he was in Istanbul 2 years ago, lol. It does show in their Y-DNA that is very west Eurasian in origin that originated from those indo-european men banging their mongoloid mothers thousands of years ago as they do today.

[Babak]

R1a didnt come from Iran dude lol. Iranians are pred J2 haplo and J2 people are known to have already been civilized.

[LoLeL]

So Rethel is an Ayatollah, interesting.

http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/article_width/public/1/06//wrestler.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wrestler_(2008_film)

[Dibran]

R1a didnt come from Iran dude lol. Iranians are pred J2 haplo and J2 people are known to have already been civilized.

It did in the ancient past. Not modern. Learn the difference. G used to be most dominant in the Balkans, now it barely exists there. Migrations do happen. The oldest M420 comes from Iran.