Classify and Place Venezuela Journalist and Actress Eloísa Maturén Vallado

[alnortedelsur]

Please classify her, give your estimates of Euro/Amerindian admixture (in case you think she could have some Amerindian mixture). and where do you think she could pass, including Europe, Asia, North and South America:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjk5OTMxMDktMjdkZi00YWY1LWI1NTktMDE1OTQyODNkZD k2XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNTIzNDEwMTQ@._V1_.jpg

http://www.ram-fotografia.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Eloisa_0738.jpg

https://vivoplaysbtv.s3.amazonaws.com/image/234348582722/medium/100/147948507953a4b772bfddb6f4ece15060e874f06b.jpg

http://www.eloisamaturen.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/elois-maturen-bio.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/821616136550813699/_AQUxaNq.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Elo%C3%ADsa_Matur%C3%A9n_%28cropped%29.jpg

[Xacal]

Alpine-Med + CM

[alnortedelsur]

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[Erronkari]

Alpinized CM + Atlanto Med.
She pass in South-Western /South Europe perfectly IMO.

[alnortedelsur]

Alpinized CM + Atlanto Med.
She pass in South-Western /South Europe perfectly IMO.

Thanks. Do you think she could pass in Argentina?

[Odin]

Atlanto-Med + Alpine. Pass in Southern Europe.

[Erronkari]

Alpinized CM + Atlanto Med.
She pass in South-Western /South Europe perfectly IMO.

Absolutely. Very typical here.

[alnortedelsur]

Atlanto-Med + Alpine. Pass in Southern Europe.

Thanks, do you think she could pass as white Murrica?

[tekken999]

Thanks, do you think she could pass as white Murrica?
If I saw her here, I'd suspect her to be latina. Although I've seen enough latinas to know already so maybe the average american would in fact mistake her. Many white latinos are commonly mistaken for white-americans at any rate.

[alnortedelsur]

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[Odin]

Thanks, do you think she could pass as white Murrica?

Sure.

[alnortedelsur]

More opinions?

[Neogranadino]

Atlanto-Med + Alpine. Can pass in Southern/Western Europe, maybe Central Europe as well. Can also pass as a White Latina, obviously. But I'm not sure she would be seen as typical White Murican in the US.

[sankeby]

she doesn't look mixed to me. She may be, but it doesn't show in her phenotype. She can very well pass in Argentina but I would think she was a "white hispanic" in America. Her look is very iberian and many white americans do not have that look

[alnortedelsur]

Atlanto-Med + Alpine. Can pass in Southern/Western Europe, maybe Central Europe as well. Can also pass as a White Latina, obviously. But I'm not sure she would be seen as typical White Murican in the US.

It's hard to say how is supposed to be a typical white Murican, because white Muricans are very diverse. Thinking that their most typical look is supposed to be an ubber pale Scandinavian blonde with blue eyes, and with a square-like Nordic face, is a dumb stereotype. Millions of white Muricans are fair skinned whites (not too Nordic and not to swarthy), with brown hair, and soft/fleshy features, just like her. So she would not stand out among them, at all.

I am of the opinion that the only Europeans who would stand out in a way of being perceived as "ethnic" in US, are the most swarthy exotic individuals, who are very minority in any European ethnicity (even in southern Europe).

[sankeby]

It's hard to say how is supposed to be a typical white Murican, because white Muricans are very diverse. Thinking that their most typical look is supposed to be an ubber pale Scandinavian blonde with blue eyes, and with a square-like Nordic face, is a dumb stereotype. Millions of white Muricans are fair skinned whites (not too Nordic and not to swarthy), with brown hair, and soft/fleshy features, just like her. So she would not stand out among them, at all.

I am of the opinion that the only Europeans who would stand out in a way of being perceived as "ethnic" in US, are the most swarthy exotic individuals, who are very minority in any European ethnicity (even in southern Europe).

To me, any white American who doesn't fit the Anglo-Saxon phenotype (basically northwest european) would generally look "ethnic" to me. While there are lots of different ancestries among white americans, they tend to be heavily mixed with Anglo-Saxon ancestry, e.g. someone could be part French but they'd also be part Anglo-Saxon somewhere down their bloodline, and pure ancestries *not* mix with some Anglo-Saxon ancestry is hard to come across, so it creates a monolith of sorts of phenotypes. I had a teacher whose parents were from Serbia (her father was a Jew) and Greece, and while she was very fair skinned like the majority of Europeans (aka not swarthy), she had facial features that looked different than most other white Americans. I assumed her at first to be Italian.

It's also important to note that a number of European groups, particularly Italians, were not deemed as white for a while and thus they are one of the more distinct-looking European groups. They were also on the hitlit for the Klu Klux Klan and targeted based off of their phenotypes (however, lots did emigrate from regions like Siciliy). Also, Spaniards are classified as racial minorities in the U.S.

here's an interesting article talking about the struggles of italians and greeks (and other related groups):
https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/when-italians-were-blacks-the-dark-skinned-sicilians/comment-page-2/

[alnortedelsur]

she doesn't look mixed to me. She may be, but it doesn't show in her phenotype. She can very well pass in Argentina but I would think she was a "white hispanic" in America. Her look is very iberian and many white americans do not have that look

I agree that she would fit even better in Argentina than among white Muricans, obviously because she is very likely of full or mostly Spanish descent, but she would not stand out among white Muricans either, for the reasons that I explained in my previous post. And I agree that she looks very Iberian.

[alnortedelsur]

To me, any white American who doesn't fit the Anglo-Saxon phenotype (basically northwest european) would generally look "ethnic" to me. While there are lots of different ancestries among white americans, they tend to be heavily mixed with Anglo-Saxon ancestry, e.g. someone could be part French but they'd also be part Anglo-Saxon somewhere down their bloodline, and pure ancestries *not* mix with some Anglo-Saxon ancestry is hard to come across, so it creates a monolith of sorts of phenotypes. I had a teacher whose parents were from Serbia (her father was a Jew) and Greece, and while she was very fair skinned like the majority of Europeans (aka not swarthy), she had facial features that looked different than most other white Americans. I assumed her at first to be Italian.

It's also important to note that a number of European groups, particularly Italians, were not deemed as white for a while and thus they are one of the more distinct-looking European groups. They were also on the hitlit for the Klu Klux Klan and targeted based off of their phenotypes (however, lots did emigrate from regions like Siciliy). Also, Spaniards are classified as racial minorities in the U.S.

here's an interesting article talking about the struggles of italians and greeks (and other related groups):
https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/when-italians-were-blacks-the-dark-skinned-sicilians/comment-page-2/

Northwest Europeans themselves (and not all white North Americans are of Britihs/Irish or German extraction) are very diverse, and many of them are fair brunettes with soft/fleshy features who would not stand out as tourists in southern Europe. Passing as white North American is not a "big challenge" for most Europeans and Euro descent people, unless they're particularly exotic/swarthy. That's my humble opinion.

[sankeby]

Northwest Europeans themselves (and not all white North Americans are of Britihs/Irish or German extraction) are very diverse, and many of them are fair brunettes with soft/fleshy features who would not stand out as tourists in southern Europe. Passing as white North American is not a "big challenge" for most Europeans and Euro descent people, unless they're particularly exotic/swarthy. That's my humble opinion.

It's not that she wouldn't pass, it's simply that she'd be obvious to spot out among the WASPs that make up the majority of white americans. She would still be classified as white, but she would be distinguished and her ancestry would be easier to spot as opposed to the other white americans who are relatively more monolithic in terms of phenotype.

[aherne]

Beautiful Spanish girl.

[alnortedelsur]

Beautiful Spanish girl.

Thanks, but she is from Venezuela, very likely of full or mostly Spanish descent, but she is Venezuelan.

Do you think she could pass in Romania?

[Tooting Carmen]

She looks like a less pigmented version of Mexican singer Thalia. Maybe 10% Amerindian the rest Spanish? And yes, she does pass in Colombia but looks foreign for the UK.

[Token]

Mediterranean, pass in southern Europe.

[alnortedelsur]

It's not that she wouldn't pass, it's simply that she'd be obvious to spot out among the WASPs that make up the majority of white americans. She would still be classified as white, but she would be distinguished and her ancestry would be easier to spot as opposed to the other white americans who are relatively more monolithic in terms of phenotype.

OK, if Northwest Europeans are supposedly "so monolithic" in terms of phenotype as you claim, who you explain that they can vary in looks from this:



http://www.nancyellison.com/_images/Actors/full/10.jpg

or this:

http://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2014/WRN/120514-conan-o-brien-594.jpg



to this:



https://i.blogs.es/dd77c0/kate-beckinsale-2-/original.jpg

or this:

http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/6348164/968full-kate-bell.jpg

or this:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/60/2f/1e/602f1ed245849eae2663a72e31617586.jpg

or this:

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8c/af/44/8caf4481f16ec01adb748866c7e88244.jpg

or this:

http://hollywoodneuz.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Mary-Elizabeth-Winstead-3.jpg



??????

[alnortedelsur]

Also some people on here mistake "reasonably passing" with "fitting as very typical" which are not the same. The question of this thread (and same in my other classification threads) is just about "reasonably passing", or not standing out.

[Tooting Carmen]

I'm not sure if it is her eyes, cheekbones or some combination of both that indicate some Amerindian ancestry. Nevertheless, she is definitely mostly Iberian by ancestry.

[aherne]

Do you think she could pass in Romania?

Yes, but she wouldn't be typical.

[alnortedelsur]

I'm not sure if it is her eyes, cheekbones or some combination of both that indicate some Amerindian ancestry. Nevertheless, she is definitely mostly Iberian by ancestry.

I think you're more likely right. Full Euro Venezuelans are a very minority of no more than 5% of the Venezuelan population, being generous. She very likely has some slight Amerindian admixture, and I also perceive something in her eyes and cheekbones that indicate some Amerindian ancestry. So yeah, I also think she is mostly Iberian by ancestry, with a hint of Amerindian.

[alnortedelsur]

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[Latinus]

Alpine-Med, Southern Europe.

[Mr. Anybody]

in the name of king. up!

[Mr. Anybody]

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[Mr. Anybody]

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[HelloGuys]

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Jaja estaba navegando por la internet viendo sus fotos y me encontré una imagen que me mandó a este thread xd

Yo diría que es Alpina-Med+ CM
Sus ojos se me hacen un poco extraños, pero puede ser que sean por su mayoría alpina...muy hermosa, en Venezuela sí que salen mujeres muy bellas wey :thumb001:

[Dna8]

AlpinaMed

[alnortedelsur]

Jaja estaba navegando por la internet viendo sus fotos y me encontré una imagen que me mandó a este thread xd

Yo diría que es Alpina-Med+ CM
Sus ojos se me hacen un poco extraños, pero puede ser que sean por su mayoría alpina...muy hermosa, en Venezuela sí que salen mujeres muy bellas wey :thumb001:

Gracias wey :)

Bueno, está muy lejos de ser una típica Venezolana, pero tampoco está fuera de lo común.

Dicho esto, su aspecto está bastante común dentro del segmento mas Europeo de la poblacion Venezolana.

[Mixdguy17]

Alpine Med, passes in al of souther Europe tbh

[alnortedelsur]

Alpine Med, passes in al of souther Europe tbh

Thanks bro :)

Do you think she could pass as Ven... OH WAIT! I forgot she is Venezuelan, lol :lol: