View Full Version : Is Germany more Germanic or is Poland more Slavic?
Mingle
11-10-2017, 08:17 PM
Poland has some Germanic admixture, especially in the west. Same with Germany regarding Slavic admixture, which is mainly in the east. Germany also has some Celtic admixture in the south.
Overall, who do you think are closer to their ancestral group? Are Germans overall genetically closer to Proto-Germanics or are Poles genetically closer to Proto-Slavs?
Poland must be more Slavic. Also, the Westernmost voivodeships of Poland were populated by people from central and eastern Poland, as well as by settlers and repatriants from Belarus and Ukraine after WWII, as far as I'm concerned. And the local Germans were almost all expelled. So you can surely consider Greater Poland as the westernmost voivodeship.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/POL_Gosty%C5%84_map.svg/250px-POL_Gosty%C5%84_map.svg.png
Mingle
11-10-2017, 09:39 PM
Poland must be more Slavic. Also, the Westernmost voivodeships of Poland were populated by people from central and eastern Poland, as well as by settlers and repatriants from Belarus and Ukraine after WWII, as far as I'm concerned. And the local Germans were almost all expelled. So you can surely consider Greater Poland as the westernmost voivodeship.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/POL_Gosty%C5%84_map.svg/250px-POL_Gosty%C5%84_map.svg.png
Maybe, but some stuff to consider:
Germanics predate Slavs in the area by a few centuries though. So when the Slavs came, they would have mixed with them rather than displace them.
Proto-Germanic developed in Denmark (in the BC ere) immediately north of Germany whereas Proto-Slavic developed in Pripyat and then went to Poland after the sixth century. North Germany was basically the core of Germanics whereas Central Ukraine-Belarus was the core of Slavs.
Maybe, but some stuff to consider:
Germanics predate Slavs in the area by a few centuries though. So when the Slavs came, they would have mixed with them rather than displace them.
Proto-Germanic developed in Denmark (in the BC ere) immediately north of Germany whereas Proto-Slavic developed in Pripyat and then went to Poland after the sixth century. North Germany was basically the core of Germanics whereas Central Ukraine-Belarus was the core of Slavs.
I think Eastern Poland has been Balto-Slavic since time immemorial. By the way, there were some Celts in Poland, Slovakia and of couse Czechia.
By 1950, a total of approximately 12 million Germans had fled or been expelled from east-central Europe into Allied-occupied Germany and Austria. The West German government put the total at 14 million, including ethnic German migrants to Germany after 1950 and the children born to expelled parents. The largest numbers came from preexisting German territories ceded to Poland and the Soviet Union (about 7 million), and from Czechoslovakia (about 3 million). During the Cold War, the West German government also counted as expellees 1 million foreign colonists settled in territories conquered by Nazi Germany during World War II.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%9350)
I assume those expelled were genetically more similar to the people of Saxony and Brandenburg than to the Bavarians or Rhinelanders.
In 1946 the population of Germany was around 64 million.
Token
11-10-2017, 10:54 PM
Poland is as Slavic as Germany is Germanic.
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