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Rethel
11-11-2017, 08:27 AM
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blogen
11-12-2017, 11:43 AM
Only 5-6% of the basic vocabulary, so this 30% is an absolute wrong data. Mosly pre-10th century origin words from the lost Uralic vocabulary or extinct languages or extinct words from old languages.

source: Zaicz Gábor (main editor): Etimológiai szótár; Magyar szavak és toldalékok eredete

Rethel
11-12-2017, 11:47 AM
Only 5-6% of the basic vocabulary, so this 30% is an absolute wrong data. Mosly pre-10th century origin words from the lost Uralic vocabulary or extinct languages or extinct words from old languages.

source: Zaicz Gábor (main editor): Etimológiai szótár; Magyar szavak és toldalékok eredete

So why everywhere is written 30%, and if it is bogus, then what are
the true propotions of vocabulary, especially of turkic, IE and Uralic?

Bogus (according to you) sources say: Uralic ~20%, IE ~40%, Turkic ~10%.

blogen
11-12-2017, 12:37 PM
So why everywhere is written 30%, and if it is bogus, then what are
the true propotions of vocabulary, especially of turkic, IE and Uralic?

Bogus (according to you) sources say: Uralic ~20%, IE ~40%, Turkic ~10%.

The only measurable value is the basic vocabulary. Because the full is basically limitless because the neologism, etc.

Based on the main etymological dictionaries:
70% internal formation from the elements of the vocabulary
25% other --> see below
5% unknown

The others (25% of the basic vocabulary, the words with direct Uralic or external etymology):
Uralic: 78%,
Medieval and Classic Latin: 5%
International: 4%
Türkic: 3%
Slavic: 4%
German: 2,5%
Italian: 1%
Iranic: 1%
English: 0,3%
French: 0,1%
Romanian: 0,1%
Other: 1% (Gypsy, Yiddish, Greek, etc.)

This is what we use from the simple workers to the educated peoples in the everyday communication from the streets to the periodicals. However, the size of the basic vocabulary is not an exact thing, this data is an average only.