Classify Azerbaijani female pianist, composer Turan Manafzade

[Böri]

https://i.hizliresim.com/1GZ7mp.jpg

https://i.hizliresim.com/1GZ7PA.jpg

https://i.hizliresim.com/0Gprb8.jpg

https://i.hizliresim.com/kX80ZW.jpg

[Böri]

Also sings.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDf7EWU34MI

[Arduti]

Also sings.

For me, nothing will beat a more traditional version of that song, and it must include kamança:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq2KWVrLKEM

She is a good singer.

[Arduti]

Turkic + Persian

[Böri]

Turkic + Persian

Nah Turkic only. That's not a classification btw.

Persians are typically Iranid and she shows nothing Iranid.

In fact she passes easier in western Turkey than in Iran.

[Arduti]

Nah Turkic only. That's not a classification btw.

Persians are typically Iranid and she shows nothing Iranid.

I see something Persian in Pic 2.
Also Iranid seems nonspecific and could include Azeri or Persian looks; I think Persian is more specific.

Thanks for the feedback though. ))

[Böri]

I see something Persian in Pic 2.
Also Iranid seems nonspecific and could include Azeri or Persian looks; I think Persian is more specific.

Thanks for the feedback though. ))

Nope look at profile Picture number 4, you will see there is nothing Iranid.
Iranid is an anthro type, it doesn't belong to either nation. But it's mostly seen in Persians.

Iranid type:

https://i.hizliresim.com/yzpjjy.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/vJNylz.jpg


Azeri is Persian old extinct nation who were Iranic. She isn't Azeri but Azerbaijani and Turkic by ethno.

[Arduti]

Nope look at profile Picture number 4, you will see there is nothing Iranid.
Iranid is an anthro type, it doesn't belong to either nation. But it's mostly seen in Persians.

Azeri is Persian old extinct nation who were Iranic. She isn't Azeri but Azerbaijani and Turkic by ethno.

Classifications are not about what people are, but about what they look like, to us.
I'm sure you are correct about her info.

I see something Persian in Pic 2. Admittedly not in the other pics where she looks Turkic.

Ok @ anthro classifications.

[Böri]

Classifications are not about what people are, but about what they look like, to us.
I'm sure you are correct about her info.

I see something Persian in Pic 2. Admittedly not in the other pics where she looks Turkic.

Ok @ anthro classifications.

Persian isn't a racial classification, Iranid is. What you do here is like classifying a Tosk Albanian as 'Greek, for example, instead of calling it Dinaro Med.

Anyway if you insist in seeing Iranid, it's good for you.

[Arduti]

Iranid type:

https://i.hizliresim.com/vJNylz.jpg



You edited this pic in after I looked at your initial post.

What's the exact culture this relief represents?

[Vladislav_Balashov]

Some kind of Caspian type?

[Hudayar]

Alpine.

[Böri]

I will say Alpine-Turanid with fewer Pontid.


You edited this pic in after I got the chance to see it.

What's the exact culture this relief represents?
Acheamenid I guess.

[Hadouken]

imo Pontid with a bit Turanid

[Babak]

Nope look at profile Picture number 4, you will see there is nothing Iranid.
Iranid is an anthro type, it doesn't belong to either nation. But it's mostly seen in Persians.

Iranid type:

https://i.hizliresim.com/yzpjjy.jpg
https://i.hizliresim.com/vJNylz.jpg


Azeri is Persian old extinct nation who were Iranic. She isn't Azeri but Azerbaijani and Turkic by ethno.

Azeri is a shortened word of Azerbaijani dude. People use this interchangeably in Iran because they're lazy to say the whole word.

Also, iranid exists in a lot of azeris btw:



http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120815/rahimi20120815092224107.jpg

https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/113/023ecc560adf74230ecbc5f152aebe09/300x300.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Sattar_khan.jpg

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15241170_1362162200469446_5557081049733071469_n.jp g?oh=4300a34ee423768896fc18c91e2ed3f3&oe=5A950368

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/13DC5/production/_86594318_photo_2015-11-09_10-34-32.jpg

[Dandelion]

Azeri is a shortened word of Azerbaijani dude..

Indeed. Azeris call themselves Azeris or Azerbaijani, both are used interchangeably. However, Azeri is Oghuz Turkic with an Iranic substratum and there used to exist an unrecorded language Azari (with an 'a') that was Iranic.

[Böri]

Azeri is a shortened word of Azerbaijani dude. People use this interchangeably in Iran because they're lazy to say the whole word.

Also, iranid exists in a lot of azeris btw:



http.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Sattar_khan.jpg

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In Iranian Azerbaijan they are more Iranic influenced, in Azerbaijan proper they are purer Oghuz by linguistic as well as genetics though Iranian Azerbaijanis are different than Persians clearly esp. South Persians.
In Azerbaijan proper the Iranid effect is lesser. More like Arrani.


Indeed. Azeris call themselves Azeris or Azerbaijani, both are used interchangeably. However, Azeri is Oghuz Turkic with an Iranic substratum and there used to exist an unrecorded language Azari (with an 'a') that was Iranic.

And you are a Dutch in self denial :)

[Dandelion]

And you are a Dutch in self denial :)

Actually I do consider myself an ethic Dutch. Southern Dutch to be precise.

This is the historical Southern Dutch culture, but due to differences in state culture it's not as sharply divided nor homogenous and people from the Southern provinces in the Netherlands even if they remained Catholic (lapsed and irreligious) and speak with a soft G, they underwent stronger Hollandic Northern Dutch influences.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/SouthernDutch.png

Azeris or Azerbaijani are still Turkic of course. A substratum is just a subtle remnant that sticks with a people. And even if you strictly call them Azerbaijani in full, the name still has an Iranic origin; can't change that fact. The culture of a land often stubbornly leaves traces even if large populations and cultures change.
One Azerbaijani I know calls himself Azeri all the time and he's quite the history buff. Only Turks have told me that Azeri is a name they supposedly take offence to, but I'm not convinced.

[Babak]

In Iranian Azerbaijan they are more Iranic influenced, in Azerbaijan proper they are purer Oghuz by linguistic as well as genetics though Iranian Azerbaijanis are different than Persians clearly esp. South Persians.
In Azerbaijan proper the Iranid effect is lesser. More like Arrani.



And you are a Dutch in self denial :)

Those aren't south persians. Those are Tabrizis man lol http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34770537

The pigmentation in south iranians are exaggerated and there isn't a huge overlap.

[Gangrel]

Those aren't south persians. Those are Tabrizis man lol http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34770537

The pigmentation in south iranians are exaggerated and there isn't a huge overlap.

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/13DC5/production/_86594318_photo_2015-11-09_10-34-32.jpg

Are they all Azerbaijani? Only guy who looks Turk is the one on the bottom left wtf. Why do so many of them look south asian

[Babak]

Actually I do consider myself an ethic Dutch. Southern Dutch to be precise.

This is the historical Southern Dutch culture, but due to differences in state culture it's not as sharply divided nor homogenous and people from the Southern provinces in the Netherlands even if they remained Catholic (lapsed and irreligious) and speak with a soft G, they underwent stronger Hollandic Northern Dutch influences.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/SouthernDutch.png

Azeris or Azerbaijani are still Turkic of course. A substratum is just a subtle remnant that sticks with a people. And even if you strictly call them Azerbaijani in full, the name still has an Iranic origin; can't change that fact. The culture of a land often stubbornly leaves traces even if large populations and cultures change.
One Azerbaijani I know calls himself Azeri all the time and he's quite the history buff. Only Turks have told me that Azeri is a name they supposedly take offence to, but I'm not convinced.

Iranian azeris dont give any shits if you refer to them as turks or azeris lol

[Babak]

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/13DC5/production/_86594318_photo_2015-11-09_10-34-32.jpg

Are they all Azerbaijani? Only guy who looks Turk is the one on the bottom left wtf. Why do so many of them look south asian

Its in Tabriz. Theres a guy on Anthrogenica, DMXX, that said there isn't a huge overlap in pigmentation. Azeris are obviously lighter, but people love to exaggerate it.

[Arduti]

Actually I do consider myself an ethic Dutch. Southern Dutch to be precise.

This is the historical Southern Dutch culture, but due to differences in state culture it's not as sharply divided nor homogenous and people from the Southern provinces in the Netherlands even if they remained Catholic (lapsed and irreligious) and speak with a soft G, they underwent stronger Hollandic Northern Dutch influences.

if you are Dutch, if you don't mind, please post your results on my Germanic thread. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226855-How-related-are-you-to-Germanic-peoples&p=4765484#post4765484

[Arduti]

Iranid type:

https://i.hizliresim.com/vJNylz.jpg

Do you see any Assyrian in this guy?

[Dandelion]

if you are Dutch, if you don't mind, please post your results on my Germanic thread. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226855-How-related-are-you-to-Germanic-peoples&p=4765484#post4765484

In due time. I'm still waiting for my test kit to arrive (order one a week ago). :)

[Kamal900]

Do you see any Assyrian in this guy?

Not exactly. I mean, Assyrians look more similar to Armenians than to Persians. The guy on the photo is arguably either a robust Iranid or a mixture between Iranid and Asiatic Alpine. Whatever's the case, the genetic link between the ancient and modern Persians is strong and continuous.

[Arduti]

Not exactly. I mean, Assyrians look more similar to Armenians than to Persians. The guy on the photo is arguably either a robust Iranid or a mixture between Iranid and Asiatic Alpine. Whatever's the case, the genetic link between the ancient and modern Persians is strong and continuous.

I definitely see Assyrian in him. I've always thought many Assyrians looked close to Persians...

[blogen]

She is an Mediterranoid and looks Gracile-med admixture. Not to common to there!

[Mingle]

Indeed. Azeris call themselves Azeris or Azerbaijani, both are used interchangeably. However, Azeri is Oghuz Turkic with an Iranic substratum and there used to exist an unrecorded language Azari (with an 'a') that was Iranic.

Azari (pronounced "aa-zari") is just the Persian word whereas Azeri is the Oghuz word for the same language.

Azari is not an unrecorded language. The direct descendant of the Azari Iranic language still exists in Iranian Azerbaijan and some southern parts along the border of the Republic of Azerbaijan. It's called Talysh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talysh_language

[Mingle]

Actually I do consider myself an ethic Dutch. Southern Dutch to be precise.

This is the historical Southern Dutch culture, but due to differences in state culture it's not as sharply divided nor homogenous and people from the Southern provinces in the Netherlands even if they remained Catholic (lapsed and irreligious) and speak with a soft G, they underwent stronger Hollandic Northern Dutch influences.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/SouthernDutch.png

Isn't that map supposed to be based off the traditional religions there (green = Catholicism, gray = Protestantism)?

[Dandelion]

Isn't that map supposed to be based off the traditional religions there (green = Catholicism, gray = Protestantism)?

It is linked to it somewhat, but in history the Southern Dutch culture and the Northern Dutch cultures followed quite separate courses, also prior to the Reformation (which also took place here; all of our Protestants fled to the North during that period). Also in a region East in the gray area (Twente) Catholicism is also practiced by the majority.

[Mingle]

Also in a region East in the gray area (Twente) Catholicism is also practiced by the majority.

So then it's basically United Provinces (gray) vs other (green)?

[Dandelion]

So then it's basically United Provinces (gray) vs other (green)?

Nothing to do with state. It's older than the Dutch Republic. During the Burgundian era Holland was also part of the Burgundian Netherlands, but it's was hardly a union of the Netherlands in practice.

It's just an abstract model that's hard to explain. A vague cultural border that people see, like you have the Mason-Dixon line in the US.

[crazyladybutterfly]

her name fits her phenotype at least

[Odin]

Pontid + Turanid.