Poland will not tolerate violation of Georgian border

[Ülev]

Poland will not tolerate violation of Georgian border: official
14.11.2017 13:10



Violation of Georgia’s borders will not be tolerated by Poland, which Tbilisi could count on as a future UN security council member, Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski has said.

Waszczykowski spoke during a visit to Georgia where he met Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallström, who echoed the Polish official’s sentiments, and Georgian Foreign Minister Mikheil Janelidze.

Poland is set to serve as a temporary member of the UN security council in 2018-2019.

Waszczykowski also said that a summit of the Eastern Partnership on 24 November would maintain its offer of ever closer Georgian-European Union ties.

The Eastern Partnership, an initiative by Poland and Sweden, was launched in 2009 to forge closer political and economic ties between the EU and its eastern neighbours.

Waszczykowski said: “Of course we would prefer to offer you prospective full European Union membership … but that it not possible right now,” adding that the bloc was in a “complicated” situation.

Waszczykowski also said the European Union appreciated Georgian reform efforts which would make the country “more similar to member states".

Wallström pointed to Georgian successes in the fight against corruption. She said she expected more progress on judicial reform, political equality, and freedom of the press, and that she hoped deals to bring Georgia closer to the single market would be signed.

In August 2008, a war erupted between Georgia and Russia when Tbilisi tried to regain South Ossetia, which broke away in the 1990s and became independent with help from Moscow.

While in Georgia, Waszczykowski and Wallström were scheduled to visit the regional field office in Mtskheta, eastern Georgia, of the European Union’s Monitoring Mission which oversees regional stability. (vb)

Source: PAP

http://thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/335007,Poland-will-not-tolerate-violation-of-Georgian-border-official

[user_]

Poland is our best friend in European Union :thumb001:

[Peterski]

Poland is our best friend in European Union :thumb001:

I regret that Poland has no access to the Black Sea anymore. :(

[ioan assen]

It was striking that everywhere I went there were EU flags in Tbilisi... And they are not candidate country yet, I believe. Anyways, it would be great if Georgia becomes more westernized. EU needs friends in that region :)

[Ülev]

I regret that Poland has no access to the Black Sea anymore. :(

but on some minds there exists Intermarium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium) project / union etc.
I do not know, is it against EU or it's more like complementary
https://s7.postimg.org/n6f39efzf/intermarum.png

[Nosferatu_]

ioan assen
Yes there are EU flags everywhere here :D

[ioan assen]

ioan assen
Yes there are EU flags everywhere here :D
I was there 2 weeks ago. You have great churches, I like the old town and the old architecture as a whole. I didn't like these ultra modern buildings although they were nicely done and kind of suited the other buildings...

[Tong]

i heard there was like 100k georgian refugees in poland after the war

[Nosferatu_]

i heard there was like 100k georgian refugees in poland after the war

We're not 100k even as a whole :D Seriously who told you that?


The largest refugee group in Poland are people from the former Soviet Union; each year since 2000 this group forms between 40–90% of the individuals applying for refugee in Poland; out of those, the largest group are the Chechens, who started applying for it at the start of the 21st century, following the Chechen Civil War. It is estimated there may be about 20,000 Chechens in Poland as of mid-2010s. The second largest group are the Ukrainians, who started applying for that status following the Ukrainian-Russian conflict; approximately 1,000 to 2,000 or more Ukrainians have been applying for the stay in Poland since the onset of that conflict.Third largest group from that region applying for stay in Poland are people from Georgia.

http://s019.radikal.ru/i600/1711/ca/94178f2e57cb.jpg (http://radikal.ru)


I was there 2 weeks ago. You have great churches, I like the old town and the old architecture as a whole. I didn't like these ultra modern buildings although they were nicely done and kind of suited the other buildings...

I see you like old architecture even by you avatar^^ Most of Georgians don't like those modern buildings near old ones as well.Our architecture is very mixed,almost every style can be seen here especially in Tbilisi.

[Voskos]

polan stronk

[Rumata]

i heard there was like 100k georgian refugees in poland after the war

Sounds like nonsense. AFAIK, Georgia mostly been as safe as Poland.

[Ülev]

Poland – The presidents of Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Ukraine and the prime minister of Latvia (Lech Kaczyński, Valdas Adamkus, Toomas Hendrik Ilves, Viktor Yushchenko and Ivars Godmanis), who met with Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili at Kaczyński's initiative, appeared at a 12 August 2008 Tbilisi rally held in front of the parliament which was attended by nearly 150,000 people. The crowd responded enthusiastically to the Polish president's speech, chanting "Poland, Poland", "Friendship, Friendship" and "Georgia, Georgia".[279]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War

Poland
Chairman of the Council of Ministers Donald Tusk made the initiative, by which the extraordinary European Council meeting in August 2008 was convened.[62]

The statement by the Polish president, Lech Kaczyński, said: "The president believes that any interference in internal matters of the republic of Georgia is unacceptable and that any such action, if it intensifies, could lead to tragic consequences."[63]

On 14 August 2008, Poland and the United States reached an agreement about establishing a battery of American missiles inside Poland.[64]

Foreign Ministry press spokesman Piotr Paszkowski said, "Poland is clearly in favor of respecting the territorial integrity of Georgia."[65]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reaction_to_the_Russo-Georgian_War

[Rumata]

Vasiliy, why do you bring up this old story?

[Ülev]

and yes, Poland is as safe as Georgia

NOTE: On 12 August 2008, during Russian - Georgian war President Lech Kaczynski gathered his fellow-heads of European states on a support rally in Tbilisi. Along with him and Georgian host-president Saakaszvili, addressing thousands-strong crowds that came to the main square that night were his colleagues from Estonia - Toomas Hendrik Ilves, Lithuania's Valdas Adamkus, Ukraine's Wiktor Yushchenko as well as Latvia's Prime Minister Ivars Godmanis.

　

In his memorable speech Lech Kaczynski uttered as much supportive as indeed prophetic words:

　

"We are here today because we cannot allow any restoration and prevalence of imperialism in Europe. (..) For today it is Georgia that is at stake, tomorrow it can be Ukraine, the day after the Baltic states, and then may be my own country Poland”.

http://www.pap.pl/en/news-/news,955568,lech-kaczynski-was-a-great-friend-of-georgia---polish-president.html

[Rumata]

Vasiliy, there was not a 'war', but:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Russo-Georgian_diplomatic_crisis

Check your sources.

[Veslan]

Our politicians are way too obsessed with potential "Russian agression". Also Russia was clearly right in this conflict, South Ossetia has a right to be independent.

[Ülev]

Our politicians are way too obsessed with potential "Russian agression". Also Russia was clearly right in this conflict, South Ossetia has a right to be independent.

do you support by any chance Silesian Autonomy Movement?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Autonomy_Movement

or did you read this ---> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?227095-Spain-sees-Russian-interference-in-Catalonia-separatist-vote

[Veslan]

do you support by any chance Silesian Autonomy Movement?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Autonomy_Movement

or did you read this ---> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?227095-Spain-sees-Russian-interference-in-Catalonia-separatist-vote

No, because "Silesian" is not a real identity. They are false, minor german paid volksdeutscher, the real Silesians were the ones fighting with their Selbstschutz heroes during the uprisings because they wanted Upper Silesia to be Polish.

[user_]

Our politicians are way too obsessed with potential "Russian agression". Also Russia was clearly right in this conflict, South Ossetia has a right to be independent.

Sure they have right to be independent, but they have no right to do ethnic cleansing. Thats same if Catalans kill or kick out all spanish people and then make referendum.

[ЛыSSый]

Jaja, sure, poland will send in georgia germanian troops whish are settled in poland.

[ЛыSSый]

do you support by any chance Silesian Autonomy Movement?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Autonomy_Movement

or did you read this ---> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?227095-Spain-sees-Russian-interference-in-Catalonia-separatist-vote

aaa, fck, Vaasiliy, they all are putin's agents.

Have the business proposition: just invite some dozens my relatives there and they make there such situation so Germany will be happy even not claim Silesia independent, but pay reparations for it go away in any possible way.

[Nosferatu_]

Our politicians are way too obsessed with potential "Russian agression". Also Russia was clearly right in this conflict, South Ossetia has a right to be independent.

Why? So-called South Osettia_Samachablo is an ancient Georgian land(like Abkhazia)and those split-ups are always bad for the countries. Soon there will be no Georgian land left if things continue in this way. Mingrelians will also want to become independent,than maybe Svaneti,Racha,Guria and the other regions.Georgia(one of the oldest nation with one of the oldest history and culture) may won't exist at all in the future and there'll be tiny weak 'coutries' instead of it.(or Russian provinces) What did Abkhazians get after their ,,independance''? Did it become a nice,modern country?(which is controled by Russia even now) I have Osettian friends and acquaintances who live peacefully here.
Lets make all the regions and cities of the world independent,that must be fun :)
It's easy to judge from afar,when you're not a resident of the country and don't know how it feels when your country is losing its lands day by day.(especially for such a small nation)What would you say if it happened in your country?

[ЛыSSый]

Why? So-called South Osettia_Samachablo is an ancient Georgian land(like Abkhazia)and those split-ups are always bad for the countries. Soon there will be no Georgian land left if things continue in this way. Mingrelians will also want to become independent,than maybe Svaneti,Racha,Guria and the other regions.Georgia(one of the oldest nation with one of the oldest history and culture) may won't exist at all in the future and there'll be tiny weak 'coutries' instead of it.(or Russian provinces) What did Abkhazians get after their ,,independance''? Did it become a nice,modern country?(which is controled by Russia even now) I have Osettian friends and acquaintances who live peacefully here.
Lets make all the regions and cities of the world independent,that must be fun :)
It's easy to judge from afar,when you're not a resident of the country and don't know how it feels when your country is losing its lands day by day.(especially for such a small nation)What would you say if it happened in your country?

nonono, independence is great, isn't it?

[Rumata]

Imo, Abkhzia is about as much Georgia as Georgia itself is Russia. I see no point to destroy bigger empires just to create smaller ones.
The case of S. Ossetia might be different as S. Ossetians are more recent there.

[Ülev]

Poland’s Defense Minister Answers the Question: What Does Putin Want?
http://observer.com/2017/11/interview-polish-defense-minister-antoni-macierewicz-on-russia-nato/

[ЛыSSый]

Poland’s Defense Minister Answers the Question: What Does Putin Want?
http://observer.com/2017/11/interview-polish-defense-minister-antoni-macierewicz-on-russia-nato/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3YxFizj6pk

[Nosferatu_]

Imo, Abkhzia is about as much Georgia as Georgia itself is Russia. I see no point to destroy bigger empires just to create smaller ones.
The case of S. Ossetia might be different as S. Ossetians are more recent there.
Do you see those old maps? Abkhazia has always been one of the most important parts of Georgia.
Iberia isn't Georgia.Georgia is Ibero-Colchis
http://s018.radikal.ru/i505/1711/c6/e1a2782c1581.png (http://radikal.ru)
http://s018.radikal.ru/i508/1711/a4/c6a64ef4edbc.png (http://radikal.ru)
http://s019.radikal.ru/i624/1711/b7/7b212c400e58.png (http://radikal.ru)
http://s019.radikal.ru/i604/1711/70/c338d84aead8.png (http://radikal.ru)
http://i053.radikal.ru/1711/82/8b3ddb690ded.jpg (http://radikal.ru)
http://s019.radikal.ru/i643/1711/c8/95598b6dc256.jpg (http://radikal.ru)
http://s013.radikal.ru/i322/1711/e8/c323c1b28588.jpg (http://radikal.ru)
http://s014.radikal.ru/i328/1711/a7/90fcd7809888.jpg (http://radikal.ru)
http://s019.radikal.ru/i630/1711/88/aa7a2b4c0680.jpg (http://radikal.ru)

http://s019.radikal.ru/i635/1711/d9/e7d3bd969fcd.jpg (http://radikal.ru)

[Rumata]

Do you see those old maps? Abkhazia has always been one of the most important parts of Georgia.
Iberia isn't Georgia.Georgia is Ibero-Colchis
http://s019.radikal.ru/i604/1711/70/c338d84aead8.png (http://radikal.ru)
http://s013.radikal.ru/i322/1711/e8/c323c1b28588.jpg (http://radikal.ru)


You see, even not all of the maps that you've posted show Abkhazian and Georgian lands in the same political formation.
Moreover, it's not quite clear what was a part of what exactly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Abkhazia
http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/images/Georgia/geor_bahrat_A.jpg
https://holgerdanskenetwork.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/abkhazian-kingdom-map.jpg

And finally. Is the common past really a strong argument for common future? See maps of Polish-Lithuanian commonwelth. So according to this logic Poland now has rights on Lithuania, Ukraine and Belarus?

[Nosferatu_]

You see, even not all of the maps that you've posted show Abkhazian and Georgian lands in the same political formation.
Moreover, it's not quite clear what was a part of what exactly:
All the maps I've posted show both Abkhazia and the other Georgian lands in the same political formation,(except one and in that time Georgian kingdom didn't even exist).And it clearly shows its big meaning to Sakartvelo

And finally. Is the common past really a strong argument for common future? See maps of Polish-Lithuanian commonwelth. So according to this logic Poland now has rights on Lithuania, Ukraine and Belarus?

It's not an old history only.I grew up with the knowledge that Abkhazia was Georgia. Georgia is much smaller than Poland and Ukraine and probably it even won't exist in the future.

http://s018.radikal.ru/i516/1711/e1/0c7804fc3b39.jpg (http://radikal.ru)
Georgians never had the sense of unity.That's our biggest minus and that's why we lose so many lands.Now even some Mingrelians want independance.p.s. Mingrelians are probably the largest group of Georgia.

Abkhazia and S.Osettia are only partially recognized states.(only Russia, Nicaragua, Venezuela & Nauru recognizes Abkhazia's independance )

[Rumata]

All the maps I've posted show both Abkhazia and the other Georgian lands in the same political formation,except one and in that time Georgian kingdom didn't even exist.

Two maps show them as different peoples at least.
http://s019.radikal.ru/i604/1711/70/c338d84aead8.png (http://radikal.ru)
http://s013.radikal.ru/i322/1711/e8/c323c1b28588.jpg (http://radikal.ru)


It's not an old history only.I grew up with the knowledge that Abkhazia was Georgia. Georgia is much smaller than Poland and Ukraine and probably it even won't exist in the future.

Well, I grew up with the knowledge that Georgian was a part of my country. What's the point :confused: And what about its size? What matters is Georgians and Abkhazians are different peoples which don't come to an agreement to live in the same country. Actually, less so than Ru and Ua do, but Vasiliy has a hard time to get it.


http://s018.radikal.ru/i516/1711/e1/0c7804fc3b39.jpg (http://radikal.ru)
Georgians never had the sense of unity.That's our biggest minus and that's why we lose so many lands.
Actually, I'm yet to know about a Caucasian people which had a particular sense of unity (politically wise).
Concerning Mingrelians, I can't say much. Well, at least their language is Kartvelian too, unlike Abkhasian.

[Nosferatu_]

And what about its size? What matters is Georgians and Abkhazians are different peoples which don't come to an agreement to live in the same country.
I'm not saying Abkhazians are Georgians.Yes their language isn't Kartvelian therefore they aren't Kartvelians.I'm saying that Abkhazia is a Georgian land,the land itself and thousand of Georgians lived there,even people I know had homes there and now they can't even go back in their homeland.

[Rumata]

I'm not saying Abkhazians are Georgians.Yes their language isn't Kartvelian therefore they aren't Kartvelians.I'm saying that Abkhazia is a Georgian land,the land itself and thousand of Georgians lived there,even people I know had homes there and now they can't even go back in their homeland.
It's really sad that wars in this region so often are followed by humanitarian disasters.
But think, when many of these people who had to move from Abkhazia settled there? It was in Soviet time when Soviet authorities included Abkhazia in Georgia with the capital in Tbilisi. Imo, one can be either a Soviet or a Georgian nationalist, but hardly both.


It's not an old history only.I grew up with the knowledge that Abkhazia was Georgia. Georgia is much smaller than Poland and Ukraine and probably it even won't exist in the future.
And Georgia is still bigger than Switzerland or Belgium.

[Tong]

We're not 100k even as a whole :D Seriously who told you that?

a pole

[Veslan]

Why? So-called South Osettia_Samachablo is an ancient Georgian land(like Abkhazia)and those split-ups are always bad for the countries. Soon there will be no Georgian land left if things continue in this way. Mingrelians will also want to become independent,than maybe Svaneti,Racha,Guria and the other regions.Georgia(one of the oldest nation with one of the oldest history and culture) may won't exist at all in the future and there'll be tiny weak 'coutries' instead of it.(or Russian provinces) What did Abkhazians get after their ,,independance''? Did it become a nice,modern country?(which is controled by Russia even now) I have Osettian friends and acquaintances who live peacefully here.
Lets make all the regions and cities of the world independent,that must be fun :)
It's easy to judge from afar,when you're not a resident of the country and don't know how it feels when your country is losing its lands day by day.(especially for such a small nation)What would you say if it happened in your country?

It's populated by the Ossetes now, which means this is their land, and they had a right to secede.

[user_]

It's populated by the Ossetes now, which means this is their land, and they had a right to secede.

60% of so called Osetia was populated by georgians, before Russia occupied it.

[ЛыSSый]

60% of so called Osetia was populated by georgians, before Russia occupied it.

russia liberated it