Greeks more "Italian or Balkan" question answered using MDLP K23.

[Sikeliot]

In each case I highlighted the top 5 Italian and top 5 Balkan populations for each. I have done here a sample of 10 mainlanders, 10 islanders. Let me know if you want to see specific regions.

All mainland Greeks are closer to Albanians than to southern Italians. The northerners are more like Balkanites. The islanders are just like southern Italians.


Thessaloniki:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 4.410304
2 Gagauz_ @ 5.664191
3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 5.676442
4 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 5.937072
5 Bulgarian_ @ 6.113153
6 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 6.180342
7 Greek_Northwest_ @ 6.469001
8 Kosovar_ @ 6.546167
9 Macedonian_ @ 7.497791
10 Romanian_ @ 7.879824
11 Central_Greek_ @ 8.365066
12 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 9.442404
13 Montenegrian_ @ 10.120316
14 Greek_ @ 10.338937
15 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 10.968012
16 Italian_North_ @ 11.618369
17 Greek_Athens_ @ 11.951130
18 Ashkenazi_ @ 11.962314
19 Serb_Serbia_ @ 12.576097
20 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 13.139334


Epirus, NW Greece:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 2.269420
2 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 2.550501
3 Greek_Northwest_ @ 2.873924
4 Kosovar_ @ 3.439462
5 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 3.780467
6 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 3.896256
7 Central_Greek_ @ 4.582564
8 Greek_ @ 7.871905
9 Greek_Athens_ @ 8.332906
10 Ashkenazi_ @ 8.793439
11 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 9.251089
12 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 10.005013
13 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 10.461967
14 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 10.497938
15 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 10.580221
16 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 10.620104
17 Italian_South_ @ 10.756855
18 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 10.782136
19 Romanian_Jew_ @ 10.800906
20 Gagauz_ @ 11.353612


Macedonia, North Greece:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 4.568073
2 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 4.835958
3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 5.294464
4 Greek_Northwest_ @ 5.340427
5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 6.092136
6 Kosovar_ @ 6.704830
7 Central_Greek_ @ 7.407593
8 Ashkenazi_ @ 8.707258
9 Greek_ @ 8.896175
10 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 9.158811
11 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 9.654925
12 Greek_Athens_ @ 10.081593
13 Gagauz_ @ 10.103203
14 Bulgarian_ @ 10.302272
15 Sicilian_West_ @ 10.509336
16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 10.540791
17 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 10.745328
18 Romanian_Jew_ @ 11.025945
19 Romanian_ @ 11.153687
20 Italian_North_ @ 11.372598


Macedonia, North Greece:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Northwest_ @ 3.196603
2 Kosovar_ @ 4.946487
3 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 5.179072
4 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 5.364901
5 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 5.399037
6 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 5.555983
7 Central_Greek_ @ 7.540971
8 Italian_North_ @ 8.762552
9 Bulgarian_ @ 9.356447
10 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 10.135035
11 Greek_ @ 10.273914
12 Gagauz_ @ 10.408391
13 Ashkenazi_ @ 10.649790
14 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 10.722865
15 Romanian_ @ 10.733406
16 Greek_Athens_ @ 11.187331
17 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 11.230645
18 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 11.327681
19 Macedonian_ @ 11.385414
20 Sicilian_West_ @ 11.493690


Thessaly, North-Central Greece:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Northwest_ @ 4.147176
2 Kosovar_ @ 4.296228
3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 4.595067
4 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 4.733416
5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 5.157622
6 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 5.305248
7 Central_Greek_ @ 8.000516
8 Bulgarian_ @ 8.890624
9 Italian_North_ @ 9.360371
10 Gagauz_ @ 9.857729
11 Romanian_ @ 9.930850
12 Macedonian_ @ 10.384504
13 Greek_ @ 10.572139
14 Ashkenazi_ @ 10.618584
15 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 10.915372
16 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 11.489253
17 Greek_Athens_ @ 11.657059
18 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 11.892014
19 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 11.915328
20 Italian_Piedmont_ @ 12.458850


Western Greece:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 3.581004
2 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 4.585307
3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 4.671441
4 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 5.157492
5 Greek_Northwest_ @ 5.543829
6 Central_Greek_ @ 5.913437
7 Kosovar_ @ 6.793060
8 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 7.443848
9 Greek_ @ 7.813044
10 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 8.017901
11 Gagauz_ @ 8.337051
12 Ashkenazi_ @ 8.998012
13 Greek_Athens_ @ 9.036652
14 Bulgarian_ @ 9.566055
15 Romanian_ @ 9.615455
16 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 10.281275
17 Romanian_Jew_ @ 10.534803
18 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 10.670194
19 Macedonian_ @ 11.379073
20 Italian_South_ @ 11.402553


Central Greece:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 3.432091
2 Greek_Northwest_ @ 4.659876
3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 4.809160
4 Central_Greek_ @ 5.006890
5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 5.033642
6 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 5.496033
7 Kosovar_ @ 6.644060
8 Greek_ @ 6.821167
9 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.308412
10 Greek_Athens_ @ 7.648877
11 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 8.026844
12 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 8.312959
13 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.352382
14 Sicilian_West_ @ 8.688368
15 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.802152
16 Romanian_Jew_ @ 9.025247
17 Italian_South_ @ 9.689724
18 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 9.708239
19 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 10.003229
20 Sicilian_East_ @ 10.055534


Corinth, Peloponnese, Southern Greece:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 6.046992
2 Ashkenazi_ @ 6.507220
3 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 6.630209
4 Central_Greek_ @ 6.669782
5 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 6.768066
6 Greek_ @ 7.041555
7 Greek_Northwest_ @ 7.238218
8 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 7.339887
9 Sicilian_West_ @ 7.788184
10 Greek_Athens_ @ 7.791017
11 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 7.816081
12 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 7.841232
13 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 7.908964
14 Romanian_Jew_ @ 8.126813
15 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.516862
16 Sicilian_East_ @ 8.869740
17 Italian_South_ @ 9.239874
18 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 9.366549
19 Kosovar_ @ 9.490754
20 Cretan_ @ 9.596278


Arcadia, Peloponnese:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 3.878813
2 Greek_Northwest_ @ 4.787045
3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 5.200628
4 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 5.394707
5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 5.817527
6 Central_Greek_ @ 6.329384
7 Kosovar_ @ 6.726194
8 Greek_ @ 7.842017
9 Ashkenazi_ @ 8.544459
10 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 8.701397
11 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 9.103876
12 Greek_Athens_ @ 9.143312
13 Sicilian_West_ @ 9.552989
14 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 9.783929
15 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 10.093539
16 Romanian_Jew_ @ 10.427696
17 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 10.457089
18 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 11.114005
19 Sicilian_East_ @ 11.253501
20 Italian_South_ @ 11.255982


Laconia, Peloponnese:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Central_Greek_ @ 2.243784
2 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 4.041044
3 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 4.117178
4 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 4.360034
5 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 4.713014
6 Greek_ @ 4.919817
7 Greek_Athens_ @ 5.161238
8 Greek_Northwest_ @ 5.184501
9 Ashkenazi_ @ 6.728237
10 Kosovar_ @ 6.780749
11 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 6.840512
12 Italian_South_ @ 7.861226
13 Romanian_Jew_ @ 7.973964
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 8.081149
15 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.119470
16 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 8.421227
17 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.738112
18 Sicilian_West_ @ 9.700258
19 Sicilian_Center_ @ 9.782557
20 Sicilian_East_ @ 9.924749



Karpathos, Dodecanese:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan_ @ 5.537450
2 French_Jew_ @ 6.727105
3 Sicilian_East_ @ 7.000079
4 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 7.449023
5 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 7.552474
6 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 7.610736
7 Sicilian_West_ @ 7.825163
8 Romanian_Jew_ @ 8.138810
9 Italian_South_ @ 8.571246
10 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 8.591672
11 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.598495
12 Maltese_ @ 8.615202
13 Italian_Jew_ @ 8.957390
14 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 9.021627
15 Ashkenazi_ @ 9.044453
16 Turk_Jew_ @ 9.126855
17 Greek_Islands_ @ 9.206599
18 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 9.237941
19 Sicilian_Center_ @ 9.661686
20 Greek_Athens_ @ 9.787605


Kalymnos, Dodecanese:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_West_ @ 6.078701
2 Cretan_ @ 6.501275
3 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 6.584761
4 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 6.589136
5 French_Jew_ @ 7.274514
6 Sicilian_East_ @ 7.354875
7 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 7.370181
8 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 7.500127
9 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 7.747195
10 Maltese_ @ 8.718509
11 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 8.778319
12 Romanian_Jew_ @ 8.925842
13 Greek_Islands_ @ 9.175272
14 Turk_Jew_ @ 9.493328
15 Italian_Jew_ @ 9.581858
16 Ashkenazi_ @ 9.623359
17 Italian_South_ @ 9.688215
18 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 9.813752
19 Sicilian_Center_ @ 10.132666
20 Greek_Athens_ @ 10.204544


Kalymnos, Dodecanese:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan_ @ 5.271710
2 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 5.381950
3 Sicilian_East_ @ 5.531998
4 Greek_Islands_ @ 5.553702
5 French_Jew_ @ 5.655569
6 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 6.266049
7 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.407005
8 Sicilian_Center_ @ 6.545424
9 Italian_South_ @ 6.682125
10 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 6.977184
11 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 7.006659
12 Italian_Jew_ @ 7.192544
13 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 7.664766
14 Turk_Jew_ @ 7.684366
15 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.696031
16 Sicilian_West_ @ 7.943190
17 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 8.255814
18 Maltese_ @ 8.351495
19 Greek_Athens_ @ 8.577902
20 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 9.137504


Rhodes, Dodecanese:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan_ @ 2.478439
2 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 4.950801
3 Greek_Islands_ @ 5.991212
4 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.781912
5 Italian_South_ @ 7.180545
6 Sicilian_East_ @ 7.218494
7 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 7.736488
8 French_Jew_ @ 7.821569
9 Turk_Jew_ @ 8.342495
10 Italian_Jew_ @ 8.541928
11 Greek_Athens_ @ 8.557828
12 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.570341
13 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 8.580830
14 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.590677
15 Sicilian_Center_ @ 8.691858
16 Ashkenazi_ @ 8.804137
17 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 8.953825
18 Cypriot_ @ 9.144470
19 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 9.183701
20 Greek_ @ 9.209949


Chios, North Aegean:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan_ @ 3.107100
2 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.380364
3 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 6.488046
4 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 6.725906
5 Sicilian_East_ @ 6.863603
6 Italian_South_ @ 6.992679
7 Greek_Athens_ @ 7.570628
8 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.690197
9 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 7.842135
10 Sicilian_West_ @ 7.927814
11 Greek_ @ 8.098069
12 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.161756
13 French_Jew_ @ 8.212760
14 Greek_Islands_ @ 8.479365
15 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 8.570122
16 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.979784
17 Sicilian_Center_ @ 9.113935
18 Azov_Greek_ @ 9.281053
19 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 9.634903
20 Maltese_ @ 9.744823


Chios, North Aegean:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan_ @ 2.892053
2 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 5.462714
3 Italian_South_ @ 6.133945
4 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.176559
5 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.471231
6 Greek_ @ 6.728529
7 Greek_Islands_ @ 7.454590
8 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 7.601140
9 Sicilian_East_ @ 7.821305
10 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.907856
11 Azov_Greek_ @ 8.031546
12 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.087068
13 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 8.201701
14 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 8.675313
15 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 8.718147
16 Sicilian_Center_ @ 8.939868
17 Sicilian_West_ @ 9.093345
18 Central_Greek_ @ 9.267476
19 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 9.721746
20 French_Jew_ @ 9.753355

Ikaria, North Aegean:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 5.229237
2 Ashkenazi_ @ 5.467911
3 Greek_Athens_ @ 5.533422
4 Greek_ @ 5.586920
5 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 5.802954
6 Romanian_Jew_ @ 5.924814
7 Sicilian_West_ @ 6.039124
8 Cretan_ @ 6.165424
9 Central_Greek_ @ 6.201025
10 Italian_South_ @ 6.629129
11 Sicilian_East_ @ 6.697228
12 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 7.012872
13 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.278095
14 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 7.938756
15 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 8.054195
16 Sicilian_Center_ @ 8.216126
17 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 8.331577
18 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 8.622774
19 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 8.787089
20 Greek_Northwest_ @ 8.874428


Ikaria, North Aegean:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 4.434649
2 Cretan_ @ 4.689856
3 Greek_Islands_ @ 4.816885
4 Italian_South_ @ 5.548266
5 Romanian_Jew_ @ 5.701836
6 Sicilian_Center_ @ 6.125081
7 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 6.158867
8 Sicilian_East_ @ 6.192478
9 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.755655
10 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 6.862266
11 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 6.906408
12 Ashkenazi_ @ 7.351294
13 French_Jew_ @ 7.674810
14 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 8.072715
15 Greek_ @ 8.090850
16 Sicilian_West_ @ 8.230726
17 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 8.878284
18 Italian_Jew_ @ 9.197726
19 Turk_Jew_ @ 9.504438
20 Maltese_ @ 9.609796


Andros, Cyclades:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan_ @ 3.393769
2 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 5.247076
3 Sicilian_East_ @ 5.560499
4 Italian_South_ @ 5.644964
5 Romanian_Jew_ @ 5.944062
6 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 6.177448
7 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.207941
8 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 6.369125
9 Ashkenazi_ @ 6.710603
10 Greek_ @ 6.921634
11 Greek_Islands_ @ 7.001717
12 Sicilian_Center_ @ 7.136311
13 Sicilian_West_ @ 7.227064
14 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 7.353107
15 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 7.985715
16 French_Jew_ @ 8.209979
17 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 8.718745
18 Central_Greek_ @ 8.987155
19 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 9.507748
20 Maltese_ @ 9.762053


Andros, Cyclades:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 5.036316
2 Sicilian_West_ @ 5.800199
3 Ashkenazi_ @ 6.031151
4 Greek_ @ 6.696653
5 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.880560
6 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 6.946570
7 Central_Greek_ @ 6.949057
8 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.097581
9 Greek_Athens_ @ 7.106637
10 Cretan_ @ 7.321567
11 Sicilian_East_ @ 7.346923
12 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 7.967650
13 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 8.148063
14 Italian_South_ @ 8.199277
15 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 8.214838
16 Greek_Northwest_ @ 8.368969
17 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 8.512627
18 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.567858
19 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 8.584517
20 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 8.694285

[catgeorge]

Oh shut up these delusions are out of control

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ro2ijOk8JWc/SC82F6avGnI/AAAAAAAAADo/0hJFAXEVrmw/s1600/biplot.jpg

The distance between Thessaloniki and Serres is vast but there is hardly any difference between Serres and Mytilene nor any significant distance between Thessaloniki and Chios.

To show how ludicrous your cherry picked theories are

[kleenex]

Here's mine having me closest to Siracusans. As you know I am 75% Messinian, 25% Arcadian. This is an odd and somewhat questionable calculator for Greeks as it tends to be uneven. Look how close I am to NW Greece and Kosovar compared to other Peloponnesians but yet I have Syracuse as my number one population. How is this possible?
# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 3.66
2 Greek_Northwest ( ) 3.79
3 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 3.92
4 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 4.14
5 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 4.18
6 Kosovar ( ) 4.4
7 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 4.84
8 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 4.87
9 Ashkenazi ( ) 5.09
10 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 5.34
11 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 5.58
12 Sicilian_East ( ) 5.62
13 Sicilian_West ( ) 5.96
14 French_Jew ( ) 6
15 Maltese ( ) 6.12
16 Bulgarian ( ) 6.99
17 Central_Greek ( ) 7.34
18 Romanian_Jew ( ) 7.51
19 Macedonian ( ) 7.62
20 Italian_Jew ( ) 7.85

[brennus dux gallorum]

Here's mine having me closest to Siracusans. As you know I am 75% Messinian, 25% Arcadian. This is an odd and somewhat questionable calculator for Greeks as it tends to be uneven. Look how close I am to NW Greece and Kosovar compared to other Peloponnesians but yet I have Syracuse as my number one population. How is this possible?
# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 3.66
2 Greek_Northwest ( ) 3.79
3 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 3.92
4 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 4.14
5 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 4.18
6 Kosovar ( ) 4.4
7 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 4.84
8 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 4.87
9 Ashkenazi ( ) 5.09
10 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 5.34
11 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 5.58
12 Sicilian_East ( ) 5.62
13 Sicilian_West ( ) 5.96
14 French_Jew ( ) 6
15 Maltese ( ) 6.12
16 Bulgarian ( ) 6.99
17 Central_Greek ( ) 7.34
18 Romanian_Jew ( ) 7.51
19 Macedonian ( ) 7.62
20 Italian_Jew ( ) 7.85

most of peloponnesian and Central Greek results are like yours,

not to mention that being closer to Albania doesn't even respond to "italian or Balkan" as by Balkans we usually mean south Slavs, not a small and or not even S. Slavic speaking population like the Albanians, so the OP is not responding to this question

Anyway, it's the similar slavic admixture which brings Greece closer to Albania than to sicily, meanwhile the pre-slavic gnetic origins of both do not seem different from South italy

[brennus dux gallorum]

BTW the first from thessaloniki, if i am not mistaken was someone with 1/4 origins from fyrom, far from a typical thessalonikian

[Robocop]

IMO Greeks are similar both to Italians and SouthEastern europeans, but they have that southeastern vibe in majority of cases IMO.

[brennus dux gallorum]

IMO Greeks are similar both to Italians and SouthEastern europeans, but they have that southeastern vibe in majority of cases IMO.

Deep South Italians have a more Southeast vibe than most of Greeks :)

[Laberia]

most of peloponnesian and Central Greek results are like yours,

not to mention that being closer to Albania doesn't even respond to "italian or Balkan" as by Balkans we usually mean south Slavs, not a small and or not even S. Slavic speaking population like the Albanians, so the OP is not responding to this question

Anyway, it's the similar slavic admixture which brings Greece closer to Albania than to sicily, meanwhile the pre-slavic gnetic origins of both do not seem different from South italy

Albanians are not south speaking population.

[Lioncourt]

not to mention that being closer to Albania doesn't even respond to "italian or Balkan" as by Balkans we usually mean south Slavs, not a small and or not even S. Slavic speaking population like the Albanians, so the OP is not responding to this question

A big chunk of South Slavs aren't even on the Balkans, Kosovo and Albania are as stereotypically Balkan as it gets. By South Slavs Sikeliot probably means Bulgarians and Macedonians, not Slovenes.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Albanians are not south speaking population.

that's what i said in my post, "and not even S. slavic speaking"

[brennus dux gallorum]

A big chunk of South Slavs aren't even on the Balkans, Kosovo and Albania are as stereotypically Balkan as it gets. By South Slavs Sikeliot probably means Bulgarians and Macedonians, not Slovenes.

I don't disagree with that, and I guess the same goes for Greeks, and i obviously mean the same by S. Slavs

[Laberia]

that's what i said in my post, "and not even S. slavic speaking"

Don't you feel shame? How can be possible that a person can be so degraded like you?
This is what you said:

not even S. Slavic speaking population like the Albanians,
Disgusting.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Don't you feel shame? How can be possible that a person can be so degraded like you?
This is what you said:

Disgusting.

OK den mporoume na sinenoithoume


by Balkans we usually mean south Slavs, not a small and or not even S. Slavic speaking population like the Albanians

That's what I said, and what I meant, that Albanians are not even s Slavic speaking. if my formulation is bad then excuse my English, I am not here to apologize for things I didn't say

[Queen B]

A previous (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?199545-New-Italian-and-Greek-GEDmatch-results-MDLP-K23-Dodecad-K12-and-PuntDNA-L-K12)thread :



MACEDONIA, NORTHERN GREECE:
Dodecad K12b:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 6.01
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 7.49
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 9.75
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.56
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.63
6 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.3
7 Romanians (Behar) 11.92
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 12.09
9 Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.13
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.14
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 13.28
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 13.54
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.72
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.93
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 19.79
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 21.94
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.83
18 Cypriots (Behar) 26.07
19 Baleares (1000Genomes) 26.63
20 Hungarians (Behar) 26.81


MDLP K23b:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 2.888878
2 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 3.412523
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 3.491814
4 Greek_Northwest @ 4.042905
5 Albanian_Tirana @ 4.100893
6 Kosovar @ 4.938920
7 Central_Greek @ 6.026524
8 Greek @ 8.099730
9 Greek_Macedonia @ 8.491954
10 Gagauz @ 8.769750
11 Ashkenazi @ 9.215714
12 Greek_Athens @ 9.417441
13 Bulgarian @ 9.457652
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 10.195381
15 Romanian @ 10.506104
16 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 10.774710
17 Macedonian @ 10.945325
18 Greek_Phokaia @ 11.268183
19 Romanian_Jew @ 11.345208
20 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 11.475928


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MACEDONIA, NORTHERN GREECE:

Dodecad K12b:


# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.25
2 Greek (Dodecad) 8.61
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 11.02
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.11
5 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.95
6 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.02
7 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.1
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.39
9 Romanians (Behar) 13.4
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.46
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 13.65
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 13.87
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.61
14 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 18.87
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.08
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 20.57
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.59
18 Turks (Behar) 25.68
19 Cypriots (Behar) 25.81
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 27.01


MDLP K23b:


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 3.998615
2 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 5.173401
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 5.602735
4 Central_Greek @ 5.680836
5 Greek_Northwest @ 5.992731
6 Albanian_Tirana @ 6.287503
7 Greek @ 6.312837
8 Ashkenazi @ 6.501597
9 Greek_Macedonia @ 6.806156
10 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 7.157235
11 Greek_Athens @ 7.577715
12 Kosovar @ 8.225278
13 Romanian_Jew @ 8.305952
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 8.314669
15 Sicilian_West @ 8.587622
16 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 8.749399
17 Greek_Phokaia @ 8.906133
18 Italian_South @ 9.390033
19 Sicilian_East @ 9.514963
20 Sicilian_Trapani @ 10.092848

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MESSINIA, SOUTHERN GREECE:

Dodecad K12b:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 5.94
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.7
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.22
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 11.52
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 11.73
6 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 11.87
7 Sicilian (Dodecad) 11.89
8 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.98
9 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12.43
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.63
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.4
12 Romanians (Behar) 13.49
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.36
14 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 17.75
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.53
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 19.78
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.16
18 Cypriots (Behar) 24.28
19 Turks (Behar) 25.5
20 Lebanese (Behar) 27.34

MDLP K23b:


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Macedonia @ 4.400076
2 Greek @ 4.642490
3 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 4.972382
4 Central_Greek @ 5.417442
5 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 5.530747
6 Greek_Athens @ 6.253658
7 Ashkenazi @ 6.321638
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.398776
9 Albanian_Tirana @ 7.051126
10 Romanian_Jew @ 7.369919
11 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 7.719982
12 Greek_Phokaia @ 7.735333
13 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 7.870425
14 Greek_Northwest @ 8.029997
15 Italian_South @ 8.090089
16 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 9.430542
17 Cretan @ 9.446956
18 Sicilian_East @ 9.683242
19 Kosovar @ 9.709972
20 Sicilian_West @ 10.170085

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MESSINIA, SOUTHERN GREECE:

Dodecad K12b:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 5.52
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.5
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.67
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 10.94
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 11.34
6 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 11.37
7 Sicilian (Dodecad) 11.58
8 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.71
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.21
10 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.29
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.15
12 Romanians (Behar) 14.33
13 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 17.16
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18.4
15 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 19.55
16 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.56
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.53
18 Cypriots (Behar) 23.1
19 Turks (Behar) 23.87
20 Lebanese (Behar) 26.2

MDLP K23:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 3.051148
2 Central_Greek @ 4.093354
3 Greek @ 4.539100
4 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 4.732129
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 4.860644
6 Greek_Macedonia @ 5.362117
7 Albanian_Tirana @ 5.407070
8 Greek_Athens @ 6.021911
9 Ashkenazi @ 6.042407
10 Greek_Northwest @ 6.059932
11 Greek_Phokaia @ 7.137518
12 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 7.205418
13 Romanian_Jew @ 7.471745
14 Kosovar @ 8.053891
15 Italian_South @ 8.161596
16 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 8.295361
17 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 8.656327
18 Sicilian_West @ 8.972266
19 Sicilian_East @ 9.259083
20 Cretan @ 9.434171

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Eurogenes


In the same order as above:

#1:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 4.92
2 Central_Greek 6.08
3 Greek_Thessaly 6.38
4 East_Sicilian 7.08
5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.21
6 Ashkenazi 7.61
7 South_Italian 8.57
8 West_Sicilian 8.94
9 Bulgarian 10.66
10 Tuscan 10.86
11 Italian_Jewish 13.09
12 Romanian 13.12
13 Sephardic_Jewish 13.45
14 Algerian_Jewish 14.32
15 North_Italian 16.33
16 Serbian 16.97
17 Tunisian_Jewish 17.09
18 Cyprian 18.71
19 Libyan_Jewish 18.92
20 Turkish 19.81


#2:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.44
2 Greek 6.39
3 Ashkenazi 7.85
4 Central_Greek 8.02
5 East_Sicilian 9.22
6 Bulgarian 9.51
7 Italian_Abruzzo 9.79
8 Romanian 11.39
9 South_Italian 11.77
10 West_Sicilian 11.83
11 Tuscan 12.03
12 Serbian 14.74
13 Italian_Jewish 15.47
14 Sephardic_Jewish 16.38
15 North_Italian 16.61
16 Algerian_Jewish 16.8
17 Moldavian 19.01
18 Tunisian_Jewish 20.08
19 Libyan_Jewish 20.28
20 Cyprian 20.7


#3:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 4.61
2 Central_Greek 6.6
3 Ashkenazi 7.83
4 Greek_Thessaly 7.87
5 East_Sicilian 7.94
6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.31
7 South_Italian 9.25
8 West_Sicilian 9.98
9 Bulgarian 10.86
10 Tuscan 12.6
11 Sephardic_Jewish 13.47
12 Italian_Jewish 13.6
13 Romanian 13.63
14 Algerian_Jewish 14.53
15 Tunisian_Jewish 17.05
16 Serbian 17.56
17 Cyprian 17.9
18 North_Italian 18.01
19 Turkish 18.63
20 Libyan_Jewish 19.33


#4:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.62
2 Central_Greek 7.66
3 Ashkenazi 8.02
4 Greek 8.33
5 East_Sicilian 8.79
6 Italian_Abruzzo 10.29
7 South_Italian 10.38
8 West_Sicilian 11.33
9 Tuscan 12.69
10 Italian_Jewish 13.15
11 Bulgarian 13.33
12 Algerian_Jewish 14.59
13 Sephardic_Jewish 15.08
14 Romanian 15.12
15 Libyan_Jewish 17.49
16 North_Italian 17.68
17 Serbian 17.99
18 Tunisian_Jewish 18.32
19 Cyprian 18.78
20 Turkish 21.77


So, which calculator gives the answer ?

[Sikeliot]

Deep South Italians have a more Southeast vibe than most of Greeks :)

He means Balkan, not MENA.

[Sikeliot]

Here's mine having me closest to Siracusans. As you know I am 75% Messinian, 25% Arcadian. This is an odd and somewhat questionable calculator for Greeks as it tends to be uneven. Look how close I am to NW Greece and Kosovar compared to other Peloponnesians but yet I have Syracuse as my number one population. How is this possible?
# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 3.66
2 Greek_Northwest ( ) 3.79
3 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 3.92
4 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 4.14
5 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 4.18
6 Kosovar ( ) 4.4
7 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 4.84
8 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 4.87
9 Ashkenazi ( ) 5.09
10 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 5.34
11 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 5.58
12 Sicilian_East ( ) 5.62
13 Sicilian_West ( ) 5.96
14 French_Jew ( ) 6
15 Maltese ( ) 6.12
16 Bulgarian ( ) 6.99
17 Central_Greek ( ) 7.34
18 Romanian_Jew ( ) 7.51
19 Macedonian ( ) 7.62
20 Italian_Jew ( ) 7.85


Syracuse is similar to Apulia so this makes sense, but if you look, you're then closer to Albanians than to the remaining Sicilian results.

[Freeroostah]

My results in comparison (23andme)

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 3.2
2 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 4.35
3 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 4.81
4 Greek_Northwest ( ) 4.96
5 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 5.34
6 Sicilian_West ( ) 5.43
7 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 5.49
8 Ashkenazi ( ) 5.63
9 Sicilian_East ( ) 5.93
10 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 5.97
11 Bulgarian ( ) 6.03
12 French_Jew ( ) 6.07
13 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 6.39
14 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 6.47
15 Macedonian ( ) 6.52
16 Kosovar ( ) 6.53
17 Maltese ( ) 6.9
18 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 7.4
19 Italian_Jew ( ) 7.46
20 Romanian_Jew ( ) 7.5

[kleenex]

Syracuse is similar to Apulia so this makes sense, but if you look, you're then closer to Albanians than to the remaining Sicilian results.

Yes but the original post begged the question are mainland Greeks closer to Italians or Balkans so here is another one of my results.
Dodecad K12B
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 5.73
2 Greek (Dodecad) 6.46
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 7.93
4 Tuscan (HGDP) 9.95
5 TSI30 (Metspalu) 10.58
6 Sicilian (Dodecad) 11.59
7 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 11.62
8 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.52
9 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 12.57
10 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 12.71
11 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12.8
12 Romanians (Behar) 13.72
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.49
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.68
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 18.23
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 19.96
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.66
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 25.14
19 Cypriots (Behar) 25.63
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 26.11

and Eurogenes K13 top 10
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 3.72
2 Italian_Abruzzo 6.41
3 Central_Greek 7.38
4 West_Sicilian 7.52
5 Tuscan 7.9
6 East_Sicilian 8.49
7 Ashkenazi 10.39
8 Bulgarian 10.53
9 South_Italian 10.81
10 Romanian 12.24

[kleenex]

So I overall I believe Peloponnesian Greeks (that i've seen results for) are closer to Central Italians than Balkan populations. Probably true for Central Greeks and possibly NW Greeks. This is not to say that I have not come up with Albanian as a number one in one calculator but overall Italy predominates somewhere between Campania and Tuscany if you were going to model an approximation.

[Tauromachos]

Syracuse is similar to Apulia so this makes sense, but if you look, you're then closer to Albanians than to the remaining Sicilian results.

He also scored 50% Greek Cypriot on two or even three other calculators i have seen it .

So how is he closer to Balkan than Italy or other parts of Greeks?
As i said Southern Albania itself even is different"not identical" from other parts of Balkan" even from other parts of Albania"
leave alone Slavic Balkan countries further North..


You don't have a point here

[Sikeliot]

PEloponnese are close to south Italians but not the extreme south. Abruzzo, Apulia, lucania etc

[kleenex]

PEloponnese are close to south Italians but not the extreme south. Abruzzo, Apulia, lucania etc

Ok I'll go with that.

[Sikeliot]

Ok I'll go with that.

And then Sicily and Calabria are close to Cretans and Dodecanese.