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Sikeliot
11-15-2017, 12:15 AM
I posted his 23andme here; https://i.imgur.com/LcFCAfn.png

I have put in green, the things that make this result very odd to me. There is some weird affinity to Indo-Iranian peoples.

Eurogenes K13:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.12
2 North_Atlantic 22.72
3 West_Med 21.54
4 West_Asian 13.13
5 Baltic 5.52
6 Red_Sea 4.96
7 South_Asian 2.55


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Sicilian @ 4.241272
2 Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.705369
3 South_Italian @ 7.673217
4 East_Sicilian @ 7.832963
5 Central_Greek @ 8.407909
6 Tuscan @ 9.097165
7 Ashkenazi @ 11.905940
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 11.979865
9 Sephardic_Jewish @ 12.829246
10 Italian_Jewish @ 13.575023
11 Algerian_Jewish @ 14.517354
12 North_Italian @ 16.139503
13 Tunisian_Jewish @ 18.068174
14 Libyan_Jewish @ 18.542530
15 Bulgarian @ 20.971004
16 Romanian @ 22.392368
17 Cyprian @ 23.132797
18 Spanish_Extremadura @ 24.406042
19 Portuguese @ 25.008654
20 Spanish_Andalucia @ 25.061153

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Muslim +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.127840


Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.28
2 West_Med 20.35
3 North_Sea 18.17
4 Atlantic 11.46
5 West_Asian 11.36
6 Red_Sea 4.98
7 Eastern_Euro 3.76
8 South_Asian 2.15
9 Sub-Saharan 1.06


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_Abruzzo @ 11.959280
2 East_Sicilian @ 11.994326
3 West_Sicilian @ 12.302839
4 Central_Greek @ 12.467472
5 Ashkenazi @ 12.775336
6 Tuscan @ 12.986309
7 South_Italian @ 13.332282
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 13.418360
9 Italian_Jewish @ 14.097936
10 Algerian_Jewish @ 16.514359
11 Greek @ 16.733059
12 Sephardic_Jewish @ 17.000208
13 North_Italian @ 18.342154
14 Libyan_Jewish @ 18.950232
15 Tunisian_Jewish @ 21.008917
16 Bulgarian @ 22.436922
17 Romanian @ 23.325527
18 Cyprian @ 24.198996
19 Portuguese @ 24.857168
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 25.114281

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Libyan_Jewish +50% North_Italian @ 9.200478


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Christian +25% Sardinian +25% West_Norwegian @ 7.973766



Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 31.22 (higher than Caucasus??)
2 Caucasus 26.62
3 North_European 14.53
4 Gedrosia 12.03
5 Southwest_Asian 9.55
6 Northwest_African 4.92


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 10.503851
2 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 10.685085
3 TSI30_Metspalu @ 12.491584
4 Tuscan_HGDP @ 12.593975
5 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 12.832418
6 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 13.047964
7 Greek_Dodecad @ 15.949961
8 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.414707
9 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 16.888769
10 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 17.050297
11 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 17.227171
12 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 17.640339
13 North_Italian_HGDP @ 17.978346
14 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 24.195810
15 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 24.882589
16 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 24.897263
17 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 25.025669
18 Romanians_Behar @ 25.057167
19 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 25.625534
20 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 25.992292

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Dodecad +50% Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 3.266244


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Extremadura_1000Genomes +25% Kurds_Yunusbayev +25% Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 1.830581


PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 39.16
2 West_Asia 25.11
3 NE_Europe 17.13
4 SW_Asia 13.01
5 South_Asia 2.66
6 East_Africa 1.99
7 West_Africa 0.68
8 SE_Asia 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Sicilian 4.03
2 Ashkenazy_Jew 4.2
3 Italian_Abruzzo 5.63
4 Greek_Central 6.05
5 Sephardic_Jew 8.49
6 Greek_Thessaly 9.97
7 Albanian 10.68
8 Kosovar 11.95
9 Italian_Tuscan 12.1
10 Turkish 15.23
11 Cypriot 15.42
12 Bulgarian 16.66
13 Macedonian 17.18
14 Turkish_Kayseri 17.64
15 Italian_Bergamo 17.75
16 Turkish_Aydin 17.86
17 Romanian 19
18 Montenegrin 19.99
19 Syrian 20.1
20 Lebanese_Christian 20.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.7% Italian_Sicilian + 11.3% Romani @ 2.93
2 95.4% Italian_Sicilian + 4.6% Kashmir_Pandit @ 3.23
3 96.1% Italian_Sicilian + 3.9% Tamil_Nadu_Brahmin @ 3.26
4 96.2% Italian_Sicilian + 3.8% Bengali @ 3.28
5 80.2% Italian_Sicilian + 19.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.3
6 96.6% Italian_Sicilian + 3.4% UP_Muslim @ 3.31
7 95.7% Italian_Sicilian + 4.3% Punjabi @ 3.31
8 87.7% Italian_Sicilian + 12.3% Bulgarian @ 3.32
9 95.2% Italian_Sicilian + 4.8% Burusho @ 3.32
10 94.6% Italian_Sicilian + 5.4% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 3.35
11 96.7% Italian_Sicilian + 3.3% Gond @ 3.35
12 55.9% Assyrian + 44.1% French_Basque @ 3.36
13 82% Italian_Sicilian + 18% Albanian @ 3.36
14 96.9% Italian_Sicilian + 3.1% North_Kannadi @ 3.36
15 96.8% Italian_Sicilian + 3.2% Chenchus @ 3.36
16 96.8% Italian_Sicilian + 3.2% Kurumba @ 3.36
17 93.6% Italian_Sicilian + 6.4% Tadjik @ 3.37
18 97% Italian_Sicilian + 3% Sakilli @ 3.37
19 96.7% Italian_Sicilian + 3.3% Velamas @ 3.38
20 96.8% Italian_Sicilian + 3.2% Piramalai_Kallars @ 3.38


Eurasia K9 ASI:
# Population Percent
1 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 26.94
2 WHG 22.5
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 22.22
4 SW_Asian 19.62
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 4.32
6 W_African 2.51
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.89

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian 5.96
2 Maltese 7.07
3 Greek 7.52
4 Albanian 9.89
5 Tuscan 10.51
6 Bulgarian 14.04
7 Turkish 14.75
8 Cypriot 16.72
9 Kumyk 19.11
10 Adygei 19.59
11 Spanish 19.63
12 Lebanese 20.52
13 Chechen 21.34
14 Syrian 21.7
15 Armenian 21.76
16 Druze 21.84
17 Azeri 22.14
18 Croatian 22.52
19 Jordanian 22.61
20 Georgian_Jew 23.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.5% Maltese + 16.5% Tajik_Pomiri @ 2.82
2 56.5% Spanish + 43.5% Iranian_Jew @ 3.07
3 54.4% Spanish + 45.6% Georgian_Jew @ 3.08
4 61.1% Bulgarian + 38.9% Syrian @ 3.11
5 59.7% Bulgarian + 40.3% Lebanese @ 3.13
6 87.2% Maltese + 12.8% Pathan @ 3.17
7 87.9% Maltese + 12.1% Kalash @ 3.22
8 88.3% Maltese + 11.7% Punjabi @ 3.29
9 86.8% Sicilian + 13.2% Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.3
10 52.6% Spanish + 47.4% Armenian @ 3.33
11 85.5% Maltese + 14.5% Pashtun_Afghan @ 3.34
12 62.1% Bulgarian + 37.9% Jordanian @ 3.42
13 61.3% Bulgarian + 38.7% Druze @ 3.45
14 89.9% Sicilian + 10.1% Pathan @ 3.45
15 90.7% Sicilian + 9.3% Punjabi @ 3.5
16 50.4% Iranian_Jew + 49.6% French_South @ 3.52
17 88.1% Maltese + 11.9% Burusho @ 3.55
18 71.8% Tuscan + 28.2% Iranian @ 3.56
19 88.5% Sicilian + 11.5% Pashtun_Afghan @ 3.58
20 52.4% Georgian_Jew + 47.6% French_South @ 3.63

MINARDOWICZ
11-15-2017, 02:37 AM
Clearly he could be 1/8 Romani... 88.7% Italian_Sicilian + 11.3% Romani @ 2.93

So, 11.3 could be 12.5 on paper...

Sikeliot
11-15-2017, 03:08 AM
Clearly he could be 1/8 Romani... 88.7% Italian_Sicilian + 11.3% Romani @ 2.93

So, 11.3 could be 12.5 on paper...

I don't know. I have seen a number of people from Trapani and Agrigento coming up with some Iranic and South Asian affinity. It could be due to the Elymians.

MINARDOWICZ
11-15-2017, 02:37 PM
I don't know. I have seen a number of people from Trapani and Agrigento coming up with some Iranic and South Asian affinity. It could be due to the Elymians.

All his ratios line up with being 1/8 Romani though, tbh.

Sikeliot
11-15-2017, 03:59 PM
All his ratios line up with being 1/8 Romani though, tbh.

The South Asian didn't show up on 23andme I don't think but he did score 16% Middle East.

Petalpusher
11-15-2017, 04:55 PM
23 would detect real recent Romani/SA easily. It's more likely a specific and localized Bronze Age influence if all people from the regions score it, not Yamnaya like ofc considering the level of EHG, rather something that was high in southern Chalcolithic. Elmyans would fit that indeed (late BA collapses)

Sikeliot
11-15-2017, 06:59 PM
23 would detect real recent Romani/SA easily. It's more likely a specific and localized Bronze Age influence if all people from the regions score it, not Yamnaya like ofc considering the level of EHG, rather something that was high in southern Chalcolithic. Elmyans would fit that indeed (late BA collapses)

It's likely a West Asian influence from further east than the Levant, or closer to the Caucasus.

MINARDOWICZ
11-18-2017, 03:05 PM
The South Asian didn't show up on 23andme I don't think but he did score 16% Middle East.

My cousin scores 2-3% South Asian on GEDmatch, which I find odd...