Classify a Cypriot Greek singer

[Tauromachos]

Despoina or Dena Olympiou
Represented Cyprus in the Eurovision song contest 2013

Classify her and alos name other regions than Cyprus where you think she passes
http://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Cyprus-Despina-Olympiou-2.jpghttp://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Cyprus-Despina-Olympiou-1.jpghttp://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Despina-Olympiou-Cyprus-ESC-2013.jpg
https://eurovisionireland.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/cyprus-2013.jpg

[Sikeliot]

She looks southern Italian. But could likely fit in all of southeastern Europe minus the Slavic countries.

[Hadouken]

AtlantoMed-Pontid

[nafz]

East Med

[Tauromachos]

Thanks

Bump

[Tauromachos]

https://eurovision.tv/apex/image/cee5ba88acfeebddb34b87c71041251d?p=1280

http://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Despina-Olympiou-lyrics.jpg

[DarknessWin]

Pontid

[JMack]

Atlanto-Med.

[DarknessWin]

East Med

What east med ??? east med is a group of Doli med types of east Mediterranean region.
The european east med type is only 1 = pontid

https://i.imgur.com/iUUChbh.png

[Odin]

Pontic-Med.

[nafz]

What east med ??? east med is a group of Doli med types of east Mediterranean region.
The european east med type is only 1 = pontid

https://i.imgur.com/iUUChbh.png

She is east med:

http://static.pblogs.gr/f/165119-mpliaxxxx.bmp

This is Pontid:

https://pp.vk.me/c630821/v630821833/438e9/89n-lUHjnsE.jpg

See the difference?

[Tauromachos]

She is east med:

http://static.pblogs.gr/f/165119-mpliaxxxx.bmp


In that picture she has alot of make up.

As with many prominent persons she appears with variating looks according to each picture.



This is her natural look i think
http://www.cyprusevents.net/assets/event/despina_olympiou.jpghttps://lh3.ggpht.com/a12sSYMnnrHtmdUTgZf2R1XgEbLCEvU6SdmO25RMaBb51mCf0B H6bmgqz5m_b4m6OPgDdjRoIQ=w360-c-h180-e100-v1

[DarknessWin]

She is east med:

http://static.pblogs.gr/f/165119-mpliaxxxx.bmp

This is Pontid:

https://pp.vk.me/c630821/v630821833/438e9/89n-lUHjnsE.jpg

See the difference?

:picard2:
East Med is the group of Pontid-Iranid-Indid-Gangid-Nesid-Saharid-Aegyptid

By east med you mean that she is Aegyptid ???

In this photo she is tanned and have fake Eyebrows (kardashian style).
Still she look Pontid with maybe a little Dinaroid mix

[Sikeliot]

She is east med:

http://static.pblogs.gr/f/165119-mpliaxxxx.bmp

This is Pontid:

https://pp.vk.me/c630821/v630821833/438e9/89n-lUHjnsE.jpg

See the difference?

Coloring aside these two women look exactly the same.

[Tauromachos]

Coloring aside these two women look exactly the same.

Face structure is fairly similar.

Only difference is Despoina looks more Med shifted.

[nafz]

:picard2:
East Med is the group of Pontid-Iranid-Indid-Gangid-Nesid-Saharid-Aegyptid

By east med you mean that she is Aegyptid ???

In this photo she is tanned and have fake Eyebrows (kardashian style).
Still she look Pontid with maybe a little Dinaroid mix

Not Egyptid, of course not. East Med is just a Med variation , thats all.

Another photo without makeup. still does not look pontid to me, like the other woman I posted.

http://www.musiccorner.gr/images/universal/olympiou_28c.jpg

[nafz]

Coloring aside these two women look exactly the same.

I disagree, facial features look different to me.

[Tauromachos]

Not Egyptid, of course not. East Med is just a Med variation , thats all.

Another photo without makeup. still does not look pontid to me, like the other woman I posted.

http://www.musiccorner.gr/images/universal/olympiou_28c.jpg

Actualy i think she is Aegean-Med

Aegean Med is a more southern shifted version of Pontid Med.

[DarknessWin]

Not Egyptid, of course not. East Med is just a Med variation , thats all.

Another photo without makeup. still does not look pontid to me, like the other woman I posted.

http://www.musiccorner.gr/images/universal/olympiou_28c.jpg


Man , east med is a GROUP of phenotypes not just 1 phenotype.
The east med phenotype in Greece is Pontid, all the other pehnotypes are MENA types

But ok in this last photo and with the shape of the nose she is not pure Pontid but i see Anatolid influence.
So i change it and say that she is
Pontid + Anatolid

[DarknessWin]

Actualy i think she is Aegean-Med

Aegean Med is a more southern shifted version of Pontid Med.

Again Aegean Med dont exist and Aegean Med = Pontid

[Tauromachos]

Again Aegean Med dont exist and Aegean Med = Pontid

Pontid-Med imo

[nafz]

Actualy i think she is Aegean-Med

Aegean Med is a more southern shifted version of Pontid Med.

This sounds right to me

[nafz]

Man , east med is a GROUP of phenotypes not just 1 phenotype.
The east med phenotype in Greece is Pontid, all the other pehnotypes are MENA types

But ok in this last photo and with the shape of the nose she is not pure Pontid but i see Anatolid influence.
So i change it and say that she is
Pontid + Anatolid

Pontids are more northern shifted. If she has any pontid, it is minor.

[Tauromachos]

Well he basicly says Pontid is a Med type.
He means Pontid-Med

But you are right there are Pontids without immediate Med features.

He simply groups all types of Pontid range together.

The differentiated view is:

Northernmost Pontid type is North Pontid.


Southernmost is Aegean Med.

The analogy is somehow

North Pontid to Aegean Med

like Nordid to Gracile Med.

[DarknessWin]

Pontids are more northern shifted. If she has any pontid, it is minor.

Yes in the last photo's you posted she didnt look pure Pontid but have Turkish mix for sure (Anatolid)
She is Pontid+Anadolid but still majority Pontid

[Tauromachos]

Yes in the last photo's you posted she didnt look pure Pontid but have Turkish mix for sure (Anatolid)
She is Pontid+Anadolid but still majority Pontid

Nope she is not Anadolid

[DarknessWin]

Well he basicly says Pontid is a Med type.
He means Pontid-Med

But you are right there are Pontids without immediate Med features.

He simply groups all types of Pontid range together.

The differentiated view is:

Northernmost Pontid type is North Pontid.


Southernmost is Aegean Med.

The analogy is somehow

North Pontid to Aegean Med

like Nordid to Gracile Med.

Pontid's are pure Med types exist in southeast med europe,
North Pontids are not Med types but a mix and they shift North

He believe that this girl shift MENA and in the last pictures i see that too,
have turkish and levantine mixture

[nafz]

Yes in the last photo's you posted she didnt look pure Pontid but have Turkish mix for sure (Anatolid)
She is Pontid+Anadolid but still majority Pontid


Nope she is not Anadolid

I think she is eastern shifted med with very minor pontid.
Anatolids have more prominent eastern traits.

[DarknessWin]

Nope she is not Anadolid

In the last photo from Nafz she look MENA shifted,
maybe she had nose job in your OP photos???

[Tauromachos]

Pontid's are pure Med types exist in southeast med europe,
North Pontids are not Med types but a mix and they shift North

Legal point of view




He believe that this girl shift MENA and in the last pictures i see that too,
have turkish and levantine mixture

Nope he doesn't he agreed to Aegean Med which is a more Southern shifted version of Pontid Med type.
Its a native Greek type.

[Tauromachos]

In the last photo from Nafz she look MENA shifted,
maybe she had nose job in your OP photos???
:rolleyes:

[nafz]

In the last photo from Nafz she look MENA shifted,
maybe she had nose job in your OP photos???

Anatolid would be someone like this German Turkish model

http://media.sinematurk.com/person/4/00/46b208071972/174542_2.jpg

[dperucca]

Pontid/Med

[Gangrel]

east-med

[DarknessWin]

I think she is eastern shifted med with very minor pontid.
Anatolids have more prominent eastern traits.

So what left then?? you place her at Iranid or Saharid type ???

[Tauromachos]

Anatolid would be someone like this German Turkish model

http://media.sinematurk.com/person/4/00/46b208071972/174542_2.jpg

I think Hadouken is a good example of Anadolid type if you want to know.

Of course he is male not female lol
But anyway..

He is Kurdish and knows well about these types.
You could ask him,he is also pretty good at classifications

[Hadouken]

I think Hadouken is a good example of Anadolid type if you want to know.

He is Kurdish and knows well about these types.
You could ask him,he is also pretty good at classifications

I havent followed the thread . which girl is supposed to be anatolid ?

[DarknessWin]

Anatolid would be someone like this German Turkish model

http://media.sinematurk.com/person/4/00/46b208071972/174542_2.jpg

well this is not Anadolid but have Alpine mix

[Hadouken]

^ that girl is not anatolid at all nafz

[Tauromachos]

I havent followed the thread . which girl is supposed to be anatolid ?

DarknessWin claims the Cypriot singer here is Anadolid.

Can you help out and explain to him what Anadolid is and looks?

[nafz]

So what left then?? you place her at Iranid or Saharid type ???

No , I already said eastern shifted Med with minor pontid. And east mediteranid does exist


https://i.imgur.com/e0WApfM.jpg

[nafz]

^ that girl is not anatolid at all nafz

OK, what is she then?

[DarknessWin]

I havent followed the thread . which girl is supposed to be anatolid ?

http://static.pblogs.gr/f/165119-mpliaxxxx.bmp

http://www.musiccorner.gr/images/universal/olympiou_28c.jpg

I speak about this girl and classify her as
Pontid + Anatolid

[DarknessWin]

No , I already said eastern shifted Med with minor pontid. And east mediteranid does exist


https://i.imgur.com/e0WApfM.jpg

This is fake ,
East Med is group and not phenotype

This is a mix Pontid-Iranid

[Hadouken]

http://static.pblogs.gr/f/165119-mpliaxxxx.bmp

http://www.musiccorner.gr/images/universal/olympiou_28c.jpg

I speak about this girl and classify her as
Pontid + Anatolid

she is approaching it but I would say she is rather Med + a bit Taurid

I will post an anatolid girl later if I find

[nafz]

she is approaching it but I would say she is rather Med + a bit Taurid

I will post an anatolid girl later if I find

Isn't Med + Taurid = East Med?

[Hadouken]

Isn't Med + Taurid = East Med?

no . why do some people think that ?

east med to me is either cappadocian med or pontid

they are metrically similar to atlanto med and also rather dolicephalic . they are basically the eastern version . saharid/south med is the southern version

anatolid is armenid + cappadocian med

[Tauromachos]

Isn't Med + Taurid = East Med?

Aegean Med has some proximity with Cappadocian Med type of Anatolia.

I think Anadolid is from what i know described as a blend of Armenoid type with Cappadocian Med.

Hence its what he said she could approach Anadolid looks a little bit but her type is
Aegean Med.

[DarknessWin]

Isn't Med + Taurid = East Med?

Med = Pontid
Pontid + Taurid its not East Med because east med is group

East Med : group of different phenotypes Pontid - Iranid - Aegyptid - Saharid etc

Taurid is not part of East Med group


Again the girl is in the most part Pontid Med + a little maybe Anadolid or Taurid

[nafz]

no . why do some people think that ?

east med to me is either cappadocian med or pontid

they are metrically similar to atlanto med and also rather dolicephalic . they are basically the eastern version . saharid/south med is the southern version

anatolid is armenid + cappadocian med

I was under the Impression that Taurid is a Dinarid-Armenoid combo so if you combine it with Med, you would get east-med.

[DarknessWin]

Aegean Med has some proximity with Cappadocian Med type of Anatolia.

I think Anadolid is from what i know described as a blend of Armenoid type with Cappadocian Med.

Hence its what he said she could approach Anadolid looks a little bit but her type is
Aegean Med.

Guys we speak with Anthropological terms or not???
Aegean med dont exist and noone speak about this (only Poulianos)

Aegean med is included to Pontid phenotype

https://i.imgur.com/eLeMhAq.jpg

[DarknessWin]

no . why do some people think that ?

east med to me is either cappadocian med or pontid

they are metrically similar to atlanto med and also rather dolicephalic . they are basically the eastern version . saharid/south med is the southern version

anatolid is armenid + cappadocian med

AMEN

[nafz]

no . why do some people think that ?

east med to me is either cappadocian med or pontid

they are metrically similar to atlanto med and also rather dolicephalic . they are basically the eastern version . saharid/south med is the southern version

anatolid is armenid + cappadocian med


AMEN

So, is east med a group of phenotypes or a single phenotype? Because by what you say it sounds that it is a phenotype.

[DarknessWin]

I was under the Impression that Taurid is a Dinarid-Armenoid combo so if you combine it with Med, you would get east-med.

First of all Dinarid and Armenoid are not Med types, so Taurid is not pure med type either. Anatolid is half med half caucasian armenian....

Pontid its the only pure med type in east Mediterranean region and similar to AtlantoMed

[nafz]

First of all Dinarid and Armenoid are not Med types, so Taurid is not pure med type either. Anatolid is half med half caucasian armenian....

Pontid its the only pure med type in east Mediterranean region and similar to AtlantoMed

I know Armenoid is not Med. Dinarid is partly Mediterranean though as it is found in many Meditaranean countries. And Taurid is something between Armenoid and Dinarid. It does not have to be Med, to fit between these two.

[DarknessWin]

So, is east med a group of phenotypes or a single phenotype? Because by what you say it sounds that it is a phenotype.

Its a group , all anthropologist speak about this as a group but because the other east med types are MENA in majority
and not pure med. East Med is actually Pontid .

Exactly the same with west med = Atlantomed

But also west med include north african med types like Berid etc

[DarknessWin]

I know Armenoid is not Med. Dinarid is partly Mediterranean though as it is found in many Meditaranean countries. And Taurid is something between Armenoid and Dinarid. It does not have to be Med, to fit between these two.

Dinarid is not Med,
Dinaromed aka Dinaro-Pontid in the only med type but still not pure but a mix

[Hadouken]

in the end this all has some pseudo science onto it anyway

[Tauromachos]

in the end this all has some pseudo science onto it anyway

Yes

These are rather classification patterns for human looks and appearances than that they have an immediate significance for
genetic or ethnic origins.

At the time Anthropological taxynomy was invented
genetics was still totaly unknown.

[MM&I]

she does not strike me as typical italian but she definitely passes as italian, but not as just southern but pan italian, I would never guess her as Cypriot, but what do I know, never been to Cyprus.

[JMack]

she does not strike me as typical italian but she definitely passes as italian, but not as just southern but pan italian, I would never guess her as Cypriot, but what do I know, never been to Cyprus.

I never been to Cyprus too but the Cypriots I met weren't dark/ethnikk looking as they are portrayed here.

[Seth MacFarlane]

I never been to Cyprus too but the Cypriots I met aren't dark/ethnikk looking as they are portrayed here.
It's easy to find pictures of people in Cyprus , Idk if the thread I made of Cypriots is still up but they vary in looks between south euros ( greeks/south Italians/balkanites) and other East mediterreans ( Turks/ Levantines ).

[Teucer]

Her eyes are a dead give away. I may be wrong in thinking this because of my own environment growing up, so tell me which other populations share that physical trait. For me, her eyes are uniquely Cypriot.

[solaris]

that horsegreekface.

[Teucer]

I still feel a bit uncomfortable making actual classifications. I will undoubtedly be wrong. Either way, she looks very Cypriot indeed.

[Crimean]

Aegean med is included to Pontid phenotype

What the f*ck I just read?
Pontid looks East Slavic and South/East Med looks kebab. They aren't even close genetically.

[Sikeliot]

It's easy to find pictures of people in Cyprus , Idk if the thread I made of Cypriots is still up but they vary in looks between south euros ( greeks/south Italians/balkanites) and other East mediterreans ( Turks/ Levantines ).

This doesn't make sense to me. In general southern Italians, Sicilians, Aegean islanders, and Cypriots are all somewhat intermediate between mainland Greeks and Levantines.

[Lavrentis]

Aegean Med has some proximity with Cappadocian Med type of Anatolia.

No it doesn't. We haven't even agreed if Aegean Med exists. In my opinion, it does. It's just the typical Greek phenotype.

[Sikeliot]

No it doesn't. We haven't even agreed if Aegean Med exists. In my opinion, it does. It's just the typical Greek phenotype.

I don't think it does exist. If it does, it is just a mixture of Gracile Med and Pontid, it is not a separate type.

[Lavrentis]

I don't think it does exist. If it does, it is just a mixture of Gracile Med and Pontid, it is not a separate type.

I saw a lot of people claiming that Pontid is an Eastern European type in an other thread, so if most Greeks are Pontid, that makes most Greeks as Eastern European looking which is nonsense. Pontid was first created by Russian anthropologists to describe the darker types of southern Russia and Ukraine.

[JMack]

This doesn't make sense to me. In general southern Italians, Sicilians, Aegean islanders, and Cypriots are all somewhat intermediate between mainland Greeks and Levantines.

Of course it makes sense. Most people in Aegean Islands and Sicily/Reggio Calabria (that is what you meant by Southern Italy, I think you should stop using this term and just say Sicily/Calabria, you're leading people to believe all Mezzogiorno is similar) just look regular Southern European, there isn't a special group that include all these groups.

You over emphasize genetic aspects that aren't even fully known and we still don't know clearly how genetics affects phenotype. That said, there's no reason why some Cypriots couldn't look like Balkanites/South Italians/Mainland Greeks and others like Turks or Levantines.

[Crimean]

I saw a lot of people claiming that Pontid is an Eastern European type in an other thread, so if most Greeks are Pontid, that makes most Greeks as Eastern European looking which is nonsense. Pontid was first created by Russian anthropologists to describe the darker types of southern Russia and Ukraine.

Absolutely right:thumb001: Genetics speaks the same, Russian/Ukrainian Pontids and Greek Meds are different at about 70%.

[Cool Story Bro]

She looks atlanto-med to me.

[Seth MacFarlane]

This doesn't make sense to me. In general southern Italians, Sicilians, Aegean islanders, and Cypriots are all somewhat intermediate between mainland Greeks and Levantines.

We're basically saying the same thing just different way.

[Tauromachos]

What the f*ck I just read?
Pontid looks East Slavic and South/East Med looks kebab. They aren't even close genetically.

Nope Aegean Med is Greek type

[Voskos]

Dinaromed . can pass all over Greece.

[Newsboy]

Atlanto-Med

Wouldn't look out of place anywhere in South Europe (even Iberia)

[MysteriousWays]

Atlanto-Med; can pass from Spain and even France to Cyprus (she looks a bit like a more gracilized version of Celine Dion to me).

[Newsboy]

Atlanto-Med; can pass from Spain and even France to Cyprus (she looks a bit like a more gracilized version of Celine Dion to me).

Now that you mention, I can also see some resemblance with Celine Dion! Despite geography, she'd pass much better in France than Syria.

[Teucer]

Which other populations have similar eyes to Cypriots? Out of all the mainlanders I've met, they don't really have it. Is it just a Levantine thing?

[Tauromachos]

Which other populations have similar eyes to Cypriots? Out of all the mainlanders I've met, they don't really have it. Is it just a Levantine thing?

I say she can pass in other parts of Greece

But first of all she looks Cypriot of course ;)

Best fit

Cyprus>Greece

This^

[MM&I]

It's easy to find pictures of people in Cyprus , Idk if the thread I made of Cypriots is still up but they vary in looks between south euros ( greeks/south Italians/balkanites) and other East mediterreans ( Turks/ Levantines ).

wait a sec, only southern Italian are S Euros? What about Northern and central ones, if you consider balkanites and iberian s euros you need to include also the rest of Italy, or the line delimiting Central euro takes a dip south to Italy and goes back north of the balkans?

[Freeroostah]

I never been to Cyprus too but the Cypriots I met weren't dark/ethnikk looking as they are portrayed here.

Thank you
Im pretty sure Sicilians are not MENA looking either, thats nonsense...

[DarknessWin]

What the f*ck I just read?
Pontid looks East Slavic and South/East Med looks kebab. They aren't even close genetically.

Pontid is Med you clueless fuck , Greece is the home of pontids and all Pontids in balkans have roots from ancient Greeks and Byzantines.
Pontid have nothing to do with slavs

Read some real maps of Athropology and shut the fuck up, Slavic types are only Gorid and Baltid

https://i.imgur.com/sAMmvr9.jpg


This forum is full of clueless fucks like you, East Med is a group of Med people including Pontid.
Actually the Meds in Greece are only Pontid. No other type here.
East Med= Pontid clueless fuck, open your fucking AvaroSlavic eyes and read:

https://i.imgur.com/Xum9Er1.png

Slavs are Pontid Meds ??? Your people have the most Brachy Avar head in Europe.
If you are Pontid as you say then you are Med. Suck my dick now before i fuck your slavic whore mother

[Mingle]

I saw a lot of people claiming that Pontid is an Eastern European type in an other thread, so if most Greeks are Pontid, that makes most Greeks as Eastern European looking which is nonsense. Pontid was first created by Russian anthropologists to describe the darker types of southern Russia and Ukraine.

Are you sure? Pontus isn't even part of Russia or Ukraine and Russians/Ukrainians almost never get that classification whereas people from East Med countries commonly get it.

[Tauromachos]

Are you sure? Pontus isn't even part of Russia or Ukraine and Russians/Ukrainians almost never get that classification whereas people from East Med countries commonly get it.

https://www.marineinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/black-sea-map.png

[Sikeliot]

Pontus itself is basically in the Caucasus region.

[Tauromachos]

Pontus itself is basically in the Caucasus region.

No
The Caucasus is one part of Pontus.

Same as Sicily and Greece are two particular parts of the Northern Mediteranean

[Kamal900]

Pontid and east-Med. She looks Jewish and Southern Italian to me.

[DarknessWin]

I don't think it does exist. If it does, it is just a mixture of Gracile Med and Pontid, it is not a separate type.

Here are full of clueless people,
some people dont understand that Gracile Med and AtlantoMed are West Med types and dont exist in Greece

Everyone from Greece classified as AtlantoMed are actually Pontid

[Tauromachos]

lol

[Mingle]

https://www.marineinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/black-sea-map.png

There is a difference between Pontus and Black Sea. Pontus specifically refers to a subregion of Turkey. That subregion (Pontus) is not part of Russia. Even people from Georgia are geographically (and genetically?) closer to people from Southern Russia/Ukraine than people from Pontus are. It seems weird for it have been a phenotype invented to refer to Russians/Ukrainians when it is much more common outside those populations.

[Mingle]

No
The Caucasus is one part of Pontus.

Same as Sicily and Greece are two particular parts of the Northern Mediteranean

Pontus is smaller than the Caucasus, so it would be the subregion.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Pontus.png

[Tauromachos]

Pontus is smaller than the Caucasus, so it would be the subregion.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Pontus.png

:crazy:

https://www.marineinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/black-sea-map.png

[Kamal900]

What's wrong with people here? The woman's eyes and nose looks more closer to the Levant than to Southern Europe while here overall features are indeed Southern European. She looks very similar to the Ashkenazi and Spehardic Jews and Southern Italians:
http://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Despina-Olympiou-Cyprus-ESC-2013.jpg
http://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Cyprus-Despina-Olympiou-1.jpg

[Tauromachos]

Up

[Iloko]

Dinaro-Med w/ residual Pontid

[Sikeliot]

Thank you
Im pretty sure Sicilians are not MENA looking either, thats nonsense...

Whether Sicilians look Levantine or not doesn't change that you have nothing to do with Sicilians. Sicilians are probably more Greek than you, you're basically an Albanian.

Sicily was an important part of ancient Greece, while Epirus was country backwater and contributed nothing of significance to the ancient Greek world, if it was even considered part of Greece at the time.

[Freeroostah]

Whether Sicilians look Levantine or not doesn't change that you have nothing to do with Sicilians. Sicilians are probably more Greek than you, you're basically an Albanian.

Sicily was an important part of ancient Greece, while Epirus was country backwater and contributed nothing of significance to the ancient Greek world, if it was even considered part of Greece at the time.

Eat a dick faggot

[Sikeliot]

Eat a dick faggot

Not even in your wildest dreams would I ever consider eating yours.

[Kouros]

Whether Sicilians look Levantine or not doesn't change that you have nothing to do with Sicilians. Sicilians are probably more Greek than you, you're basically an Albanian.

Sicily was an important part of ancient Greece, while Epirus was country backwater and contributed nothing of significance to the ancient Greek world, if it was even considered part of Greece at the time.

What the hell man

And Epirus was said to be the birthplace of the Hellenes...

[Sikeliot]

What the hell man

And Epirus was said to be the birthplace of the Hellenes...


Ancient Epirus, not the modern where the people are mixed with Slavic, Albanian, Pontic and god knows what else.

[Dick]

Eat a dick faggot

Well said. R1 guys are the most annoying posters on this forum.

[Sikeliot]

Well said. R1 guys are the most annoying posters on this forum.

Think about that next time you are sending me flirtatious messages.

[Dick]

Think about that next time you are sending me flirtatious messages.

And then you woke up from your wet dream, baby.

[Freeroostah]

And then you woke up from your wet dream, baby.

He has his period,give him a break xD

[Dick]

I demand that sikeliot and R1ethel be banned from this forum. I'd rather be E-v13 than R1etarded.

[Freeroostah]

I demand that sikeliot and R1ethel be banned from this forum. I'd rather be E-v13 than R1etarded.

E-V13 was in Greece since 8000BC
Most of Sesklo/Dimini samples are E-V13

That wannabe brown chiquita is nonsense.

[Sikeliot]

He has his period,give him a break xD

You're the one who gets offended easily and acts like a middle school aged drama queen.

[Myanthropologies]

Lol :picard1:

[Freeroostah]

You're the one who gets offended easily and acts like a middle school aged drama queen.

And you are the one who continuously post threads of how North Greeks differ from the Southern ones just cause some retarded calculators showed 3-4 points off

[Crimean]

Pontid have nothing to do with slavs

Read some real maps of Athropology and shut the fuck up, Slavic types are only Gorid and Baltid

OK, but what is about South Russians/Ukrainians? Who are them? Mongol-Meds? Chinese-Pontids?


This forum is full of clueless fucks like you, East Med is a group of Med people including Pontid.
Actually the Meds in Greece are only Pontid. No other type here.
East Med= Pontid clueless fuck, open your fucking AvaroSlavic eyes and read:

So Syrians, Lebanese and Israelis are Pontids? Looks like you are clueless fuck, too.
And again, if you are right, who are the dark-pigmented, doli- or mesocephalic, often hairy and gracile people to the North and North-East from the Black Sea? Huns? Eyes are vastly different, too. Do you count Richard Gere stupid avar, too?


Slavs are Pontid Meds ??? Your people have the most Brachy Avar head in Europe.
If you are Pontid as you say then you are Med. Suck my dick now before i fuck your slavic whore mother

I'm doli as hell, so about an half of the population of South Russia. Exactly, Greeks and other Balkanites are the most brachy in Europe, you are fucking liar. Though, are you really "Greek" being so hot-tempered? So ancient Greeks were steady and cold-blooded, and you likely is Turkish-Semitic-Armenian mongrel, not "Greek".

[Herr Abubu]

Whether Sicilians look Levantine or not doesn't change that you have nothing to do with Sicilians. Sicilians are probably more Greek than you, you're basically an Albanian.

Sicily was an important part of ancient Greece, while Epirus was country backwater and contributed nothing of significance to the ancient Greek world, if it was even considered part of Greece at the time.

The problem with Epirus was that it was a buffer zone to defend against the Illyrians, which shows in how Epirus has contributed to Greek military history. Meanwhile there was nothing to disturb things in Sicily after the Punic Wars until the rise of Islam. They could philosophize and tinker all day without even having to go "opa!" once a year.

[DarknessWin]

OK, but what is about South Russians/Ukrainians? Who are them? Mongol-Meds? Chinese-Pontids?



So Syrians, Lebanese and Israelis are Pontids? Looks like you are clueless fuck, too.
And again, if you are right, who are the dark-pigmented, doli- or mesocephalic, often hairy and gracile people to the North and North-East from the Black Sea? Huns? Eyes are vastly different, too. Do you count Richard Gere stupid avar, too?



I'm doli as hell, so about an half of the population of South Russia. Exactly, Greeks and other Balkanites are the most brachy in Europe, you are fucking liar. Though, are you really "Greek" being so hot-tempered? So ancient Greeks were steady and cold-blooded, and you likely is Turkish-Semitic-Armenian mongrel, not "Greek".

Look man lets speak with facts, Pontids in Ukraine and Russia are mixed and not pure.
Pontids in ukraine are mixed with Baltids and Gorids = Pontid+Baltid and Pontid + Gorid types

Syrians-Lebanese and Israelis are not Pontids, they are in majority Armenoids-Iranids and Anatolids.
Few med types there where called "east med" are in majority Pontids+Iranids and Pontids+Armenoids mixes

Pure Med Pontids came from Greece and Bulgaria only and they are the eastern version of AtlantoMeds.

You classify yourself as Pontid ??? I see you avatar and i see not Pontid.
You believe that you look like AtlantoMed?? because Pontid and Atlantomeds are similar

Also you are not doli but Meso

Ancient Greeks were known Hot tempered. Alexander the Great burned Persepolis to the ground for a joke.....
I see your avatar you look more Baltid-Pontid mixed

[DarknessWin]

And you are the one who continuously post threads of how North Greeks differ from the Southern ones just cause some retarded calculators showed 3-4 points off

He is right that we differ from Cypriots and Sicilians but not so much from Cretans and Aegeans

We look closer to Central Italians and Bulgarians and of course you look exactly the opposite of Albanian

[Tauromachos]

So Syrians, Lebanese and Israelis are Pontids? Looks like you are clueless fuck, too.
And again, if you are right, who are the dark-pigmented, doli- or mesocephalic, often hairy and gracile people to the North and North-East from the Black Sea? Huns? Eyes are vastly different, too. Do you count Richard Gere stupid avar, too?

Alot of Syrians,Lebanese,Israelis aren't Med types



Exactly, Greeks and other Balkanites are the most brachy in Europe


Greeks aren't Balkanites in the proper sense to begin with.
Greeks as whole aren't more brachy than doli.

[Tauromachos]

We differ from Cypriots and Sicilians but not so much from Cretans and Aegeans

We look closer to Central Italians and Bulgarians and of course you look exactly the opposite of Albanian

Correct though from Sicilians ,Northern Greeks don't differ much more than from Cretans and
Sikeliot was just a butthurt cunt in this thread

[DarknessWin]

Alot of Syrians,Lebanese,Israelis aren't Med types




Greeks aren't Balkanites in the proper sense to begin with.
Greeks as whole aren't more brachy than doli.

Man we have Dinaric mix from ancient times until today so yes we are Balkanites.
DinaroPontid is one of the most common types of modern Greece

[Tauromachos]

Man we have Dinaric mix from ancient times until today so yes we are Balkanites.
DinaroPontid is one of the most common types of modern Greece

Nope Greece is a distinct region and they are not identical with Balkans as whole.

Alot of Balkans is far away from Greece,climate as well as phenotype and culture there is different.

Don't confuse South East Bulgaria which is basicly Thrace and South West Albania which is basicly Northern Epiros
with all of Balkan.

[DarknessWin]

Nope Greece is a distinct region and they are not identical with Balkans as whole.

Alot of Balkans is far away from Greece,climate as well as phenotype and culture there is different.

Don't confuse South East Bulgaria which is basicly Thrace and South West Albania which is basicly Northern Epiros
with all of Balkan.

Does ancient Greeks and modern Greeks have Dinaric mix yes or not ????
In the form of Dinaromeds

[Sikeliot]

Correct though from Sicilians ,Northern Greeks don't differ much more thant from Cretans and
Sikeliot was just a butthurt cunt in this thread

Northern Greeks are usually different from Cretans and when they are not, it is because some Cretans move AWAY from the Sicilian cluster, not that any native northern Greek approaches it.

[Decius]

Pontid

[Morena]

She is Med. I think she is very mannish and I don't think she looks Spanish.

[Tauromachos]

She is Med. I think she is very mannish and I don't think she looks Spanish.

What you mean by manish????

I think she looks attractive and has appeal

[Morena]

What you mean by manish????

I think she looks attractive and has appeal

She has a strong jaw line, a square face, and a long, straight nose that is prominent. She is pretty...but she is masculine. She is what would have been called a handsome woman.

[Tauromachos]

She has a strong jaw line, a square face, and a long, straight nose that is prominent. She is pretty...but she is masculine. She is what would have been called a handsome woman.

She doesn't have square face at all she is doli Med

This is square face https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Angela_Merkel_-_2017248170623_2017-09-05_CDU_Wahlkampf_Heidelberg_-_Sven_-_1D_X_MK_II_-_150_-_B70I6066.jpg/1200px-Angela_Merkel_-_2017248170623_2017-09-05_CDU_Wahlkampf_Heidelberg_-_Sven_-_1D_X_MK_II_-_150_-_B70I6066.jpg

[Tauromachos]

Does ancient Greeks and modern Greeks have Dinaric mix yes or not ????
In the form of Dinaromeds

So have Italians.

I say Dinaro Med is more a Greek or Roman type than general Balkan.

Man i see some types of South Slavs and others that don't realy pass anywhere in Greece not even in the far North.

They don't look like Greeks as a whole

I mean with this Northern Albanians,Serbs,Bosniaks predominantly.

[Freeroostah]

He is right that we differ from Cypriots and Sicilians but not so much from Cretans and Aegeans

We look closer to Central Italians and Bulgarians and of course you look exactly the opposite of Albanian

We do differ from Sicilians (except from Syracuse) and Cypriots but Aegeans and Cretans are almost identical with us but very slight difference regarding distances.

And of course saying that Sicilians are closer to Greeks than Epirotes is plain ignorance or plain hatred from someone who has no historical knowledge of what Epirus used to be and how much it has contributed to the Hellenic world. For the Western people ancient Greece is only Athens and Sparta...

[Tauromachos]

We do differ from Sicilians (except from Syracuse) and Cypriots but Aegeans and Cretans are almost identical with us but very slight difference regarding distances.

And of course saying that Sicilians are closer to Greeks than Epirotes is plain ignorance or plain hatred from someone who has no historical knowledge of what Epirus used to be and how much it has contributed to the Hellenic world. For the Western people ancient Greece is only Athens and Sparta...

The main point which is the worst is that an arrogant a...... from America who is Slavic and West African from his mother's side and happens to have a
Sicilian father dares to call you an Albanian.

Shame on him

He has often been disrespectful and racist with Greeks here he makes a ton of contoversal polarizing and provocative threads to cause flame wars between different Greeks
between Greeks and Italians and invites trolls like Laberia to join in the game.

Also his conception of grouping Southern Italy,Aegean Islands,Cyprus and Lebanon as one and the same thing is nothing realy new.
He says he is leftist but in fact he has very Italian fascist ideas about that.

Did you ever hear about Mussolinis idea of Mare ?



Ironically Mussolini's troups who at that time were allies of Nazi Germany have been defeated by Greeks in Epiros.

By locals but also by Southern Greeks"Maniots and Cretans" who joined there to support the Greeks in Epiros.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mare_

[Crimean]

Look man lets speak with facts, Pontids in Ukraine and Russia are mixed and not pure.
Pontids in ukraine are mixed with Baltids and Gorids = Pontid+Baltid and Pontid + Gorid types

Syrians-Lebanese and Israelis are not Pontids, they are in majority Armenoids-Iranids and Anatolids.
Few med types there where called "east med" are in majority Pontids+Iranids and Pontids+Armenoids mixes

Pure Med Pontids came from Greece and Bulgaria only and they are the eastern version of AtlantoMeds.

You classify yourself as Pontid ??? I see you avatar and i see not Pontid.
You believe that you look like AtlantoMed?? because Pontid and Atlantomeds are similar

Also you are not doli but Meso

Ancient Greeks were known Hot tempered. Alexander the Great burned Persepolis to the ground for a joke.....
I see your avatar you look more Baltid-Pontid mixed

You are quite right at all, man. I was simply not informed enough to argue with you at the same level.) Sorry for being clueless fuck at the moment. Of course, Russians can't be pure Pontids, they are significantly Slavic and Finno-Ugric admixed.

[Tauromachos]

You are quite right at all, man. I was simply not informed enough to argue with you at the same level.) Sorry for being clueless fuck at the moment. Of course, Russians can't be pure Pontids, they are significantly Slavic and Finno-Ugric admixed.

You are not Balkan enough :p

[brennus dux gallorum]

Aegean med+east med
http://i.imgur.com/GifDxg2.png

[Crimean]

You are not Balkan enough :p
Not trying to be it at all).

[Tauromachos]

Not trying to be it at all).

OK :cool:

[Freeroostah]

The main point which is the worst is that an arrogant a...... from America who is Slavic and West African from his mother's side and happens to have a
Sicilian father dares to call you an Albanian.

Shame on him

He has often been disrespectful and racist with Greeks here he makes a ton of contoversal polarizing and provocative threads to cause flame wars between different Greeks
between Greeks and Italians and invites trolls like Laberia to join in the game.

Also his conception of grouping Southern Italy,Aegean Islands,Cyprus and Lebanon as one and the same thing is nothing realy new.
He says he is leftist but in fact he has very Itlian fascist ideas about that.

Did you ever hear about Mussolinis idea of Mare ?



Ironically Mussolini's troups who at that time were allies of Nazi Germany have been defeated by Greeks in Epiros.

By locals but also by Southern Greeks"Maniots and Cretans" who joined there to support the Greeks in Epiros.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mare_

I agree with you. This guy is pure hater , jealous, and if you put his wannabe Levantine fetish you will understand why he wants to cut the whole Northern Greek territory with its light skin(according to him) inhabitants since he detests white skin color (probably personal insecurities of white Americans)
There is no point of arguing with this guy. As the famous quote says “Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.” From now on, I will always reply to him as a "middle school kid" . Thats what he deserves.

Its very true what you said about Cretan and Maniot fighters and even volunteers in Epirus wars. Fun fact is that every 21st of February (liberation of Ioannina in 1913) dozens of dance groups and associations of Cretans and Maniots come to Ioannina to attend the military parade and of course celebrate with us.
They all know that Mana Epiros is the mother of all Greeks and we will protect her at all costs.

[DarknessWin]

She has a strong jaw line, a square face, and a long, straight nose that is prominent. She is pretty...but she is masculine. She is what would have been called a handsome woman.

Correct, she is very masculine.
This long face and long chin its masculine trait from elevated testosterone

[DarknessWin]

So have Italians.

I say Dinaro Med is more a Greek or Roman type than general Balkan.

Man i see some types of South Slavs and others that don't realy pass anywhere in Greece not even in the far North.

They don't look like Greeks as a whole

I mean with this Northern Albanians,Serbs,Bosniaks predominantly.

Yes but this is Dinaric mix from ancient times until today and this dinaric mix give us the Balkan traits (both Romans and ancient Greeks).
We differ from south slavs because they have pure dinarid forms but also mixed with Gorids-Baltids and Neodanubians

On the other hand Greeks have Dinarid form in mix with Meds(Pontids) and Alpines so they look different from south slavic groups.
Only groups look closer are Bulgarians and Romanians because they also have Med influence

Italians (north italians) have also Dinaric mix in dinaromed form like Greeks

I never said that Greeks look like west Balkanians but that we have Balkan connection from ancient times until today.
Greece is a mix of Balkan and Med types with Dinaromed (dinaropontid) most common phenotype along with Pontid

[Jovan Vladimir]

Dinarid+Pontid.

[DarknessWin]

You are quite right at all, man. I was simply not informed enough to argue with you at the same level.) Sorry for being clueless fuck at the moment. Of course, Russians can't be pure Pontids, they are significantly Slavic and Finno-Ugric admixed.

Dont know if you are trolling or been serious but again Pontids are not a pure type in Russia.

[DarknessWin]

Aegean med+east med
http://i.imgur.com/GifDxg2.png

HAHAHAHA come oooon.
Aegeans med and East med dont exist

This is Pontid + Iranid mix

[Crimean]

Dont know if you are trolling or been serious but again Pontids are not a pure type in Russia.

Understood this already. So question - Did Pontid component in Russia come from Ancient Greek colonists or from another source?

[DarknessWin]

Understood this already. So question - Did Pontid component in Russia come from Ancient Greek colonists or from another source?

I believe from Greek colonies and Thracians