Why Italian-Americans are darker than Italian-Brazilians?

[JMack]

Before I begin, I must attest that I'm talking only about people of Southern Italian heritage here. Because if we consider the general trend it's very obvious the reason Italians in USA are darker than the ones in Brazil is because the first are of Sicilian/Calabrese descent mostly and the later of Venetian/Lombard ancestry. So we must exclude Brazilians of full or partial Northern Italian ancestry (like myself).


But even when we consider only people of Southern Italian origin (most here were originally from Calabria, ~500.000 Southern Italians immigrated to Brazil between 1890 and 1930) Italian-Americans still look darker to my eyes. Types like Al Pacino and Robert De Niro (I don't even think they are full or near full though) would be relatively common, but the extreme dark types Sikeliot sometimes post aren't that common. These guys would be average for people of Calabrese/Southern Italian descent here (ones not mixed with other groups):

http://www.pausaparafeminices.com/pausawp/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/isa1.jpg

http://img.estadao.com.br/resources/jpg/7/9/1507446270197.jpg

http://i0.statig.com.br/fw/cm/ep/ra/cmepra2pvt4cm182vxom3rw16.jpg

http://noticiasdetv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Fl%C3%A1vio-Tolezanii.jpg

http://br.web.img3.acsta.net/pictures/14/09/13/23/24/052686.jpg

They are mostly dark, but aren't ''exotic'' and Armenized as the people I see being posted as Italian-Americans. Are Italian-Americans substantially mixed with Armenians or Lebanese? Because many people I see from there look straight up MENA to me, and when I say that I don't mean they would pass as MENA but that they look MENA. Being able to pass and looking like some ethnicities are totally different things.

That said, many guys I see as Sicilian-Americans wouldn't pass as Italians (and even as ''whites'') here, like these guys:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/880159621670764545/a-cq4acB.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b6/ab/cb/b6abcbe2dfeed19ed6ae35538d52c02e--mobsters-gangsters.jpg

Are they mixed? I have been to Southern Italy itself and most people I saw there were relatively dark, but still inside Mediterranean European spectrum, types like these last two were virtually inexistent (or VERY uncommon). My bet is that many Italian-Americans aren't fully Italian/European.

[Cristiano viejo]

But I doubt they mixed with Lebanese in USA, EXACTLY in New York :rolleyes:

Your theory lacks consistency.

[JMack]

But I doubt they mixed with Lebanese in USA, EXACTLY in New York :rolleyes:

Your theory lacks consistency.

Tbh these people I posted as Italian Americans doesn't even look like typical Lebanese, they look mixed with Black or Ameridian.

[Heather Duval]

Well, there are Southern Italians in Brazil but a few came from Sicily.
Reynaldo Gianecchini I believe to be Calabrese Brazilian
https://static.vix.com/pt/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/bdm/celebridades/perfil-de-reynaldo-gianecchini.jpg?itok=g4JWAF2D

And you have Paulo Betti who is also fully Southern Italian Brazilian
http://fotos.caras.uol.com.br/media/images/large/2017/02/07/img-756746-paulo-betti-elogia-namorada-dada-coelho-inteligente20170207091486468313.jpg
http://static1.purepeople.com.br/articles/5/14/33/45/@/1779435-paulo-betti-e-haroldo-saboia-o-dono-da-opengraph_1200-3.jpg

And then you have Italian-Americans like Ariana Grande who is Sicilian and Abruzzese, and her natural skin tone is pink
http://cdn02.cdn.justjaredjr.com/wp-content/uploads/pictures/2010/01/ariana-ipop/ariana-grande-ipop-pretty-02.jpg

And Madonna is half Italian half French American
http://wpc.4d27.edgecastcdn.net/004D27/2014/Awards/2014Grammys/MadonnaRalphLauren2014Grammys/Madonna-Ralph-Lauren-2014-Grammys-Tom-Lorenzo-Site-4.jpg

Lady Gaga father is fully Sicilian
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nintchdbpict000277240849.jpg?w=639

You can found many types of Sicilians in USA. Most Brazilians you posted are Calabrese, central Italians or has northern mix.

[RN97]

La cosa nostra in USA had to pro e traceable ancestry to s. Italy

[Cristiano viejo]

Tbh these people I posted as Italian Americans doesn't even look like typical Lebanese, they look mixed with Black or Ameridian.

But think a thing, I doubt Italians (or others) mixed with blacks, Lebanese or whatever in 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s or 60s.

Lucky Luciano even was born-Italian.

[JMack]

Well, there are Southern Italians in Brazil but a few came from Sicily.
Reynaldo Gianecchini I believe to be Calabrese Brazilian

And you have Paulo Betti who is also fully Southern Italian Brazilian

And then you have Italian-Americans like Ariana Grande who is Sicilian and Abruzzese, and her natural skin tone is pink

And Madonna is half Italian half French American

Lady Gaga father is fully Sicilian

You can found many types of Sicilians in USA. Most Brazilians you posted are Calabrese, central Italians or has northern mix.

Reynaldo Giannechini has Tuscan ancestry. Most people from São Paulo are of Calabrese descent btw (fully or partial).

If you have read my post you would know I'm considering only people of full Southern Italian descent.

[Heather Duval]

This guy you posted Lucky Luciano
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b6/ab/cb/b6abcbe2dfeed19ed6ae35538d52c02e--mobsters-gangsters.jpg

Doesnt look that Exotic in some pics
http://spartacus-educational.com/USACluciano.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/top10_mobsters/lucky_luciano.jpg

And he wasnt actually Italian-American, but a recent immigrant.
Salvatore Lucania was born on November 24, 1897 in Lercara Friddi, Sicily, Italy.[3][4] Luciano's parents, Antonio and Rosalia Capporelli-Lucania, had four other children: Bartolomeo (born 1890), Giuseppe (born 1898), Filippa (born 1901), and Concetta. Luciano's father worked in a sulfur mine in Sicily.

[JMack]

This guy you posted Lucky Luciano
...

He is considerably darker and exotic than Roberto Grande, who was mixed race according to himself. I doubt Luciano would pass as white where I'm from.

[Tacitus]

I don't know who the first Italian-American you posted is, but Lucky Luciano is fully Sicilian (emigrated to the US as a child); either way, both are very atypical.

Here are some examples of Italian-Americans of full southern descent that fit within the southern Italian mean (N.B. by southern Italian I mean *all* of southern Italy, not just Sicily and Calabria):

Sal Zizzo
https://s7.postimg.org/tqby33pcr/3419e5f2b0c4bec341f663ef6f97db66.jpg

Cara Buono
https://s7.postimg.org/ncmuzxzx7/image.jpg

Tony Meola
https://s7.postimg.org/oex1ihb0r/Tony_Crop4.jpg

Annabella Sciorra
https://s7.postimg.org/5qjl8qovf/46784e3739993928a21d1d0b2580d2e4.jpg

Linda Fiorentino
https://s7.postimg.org/jwzc3ys0r/600full-linda-fiorentino.jpg

Angelo Badalamenti
https://s7.postimg.org/wodiahoy3/fhd001_MDE_Angelo_Badalamenti_001.jpg

[Heather Duval]

Reynaldo Giannechini has Tuscan ancestry. Most people from São Paulo are of Calabrese descent btw (fully or partial).

If you have read my post you would know I'm considering only people of full Southern Italian descent.

Bruno Gagliasso Marques
Its part Portuguese, and has colonial roots according to him:
"Im Italian, Portuguese and Brazilian"
http://www.verdinha.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bruno-gagliasso.jpg

[JMack]

I don't know who the first Italian-American you posted is, but Lucky Luciano is fully Sicilian (emigrated to the US as a child); either way, both are very atypical.


Maybe some users are cherrypicking exotic people to pass Italian-Americans as darker than they are. Who knows...

[Heather Duval]

Most Italian Brazilians are northern Italian descent and looks even Germans

Íris Stefanelli
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/%C3%8Dris_Stefanelli_%40_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_Fashion_We ek_em_Junho_de_2011.jpg/1200px-%C3%8Dris_Stefanelli_%40_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_Fashion_We ek_em_Junho_de_2011.jpg

And Xuxa Meneghel
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lx16lyEDOXA/Tat87WpGLgI/AAAAAAAAAG8/iFDci8ywgWQ/s400/1547818a35c2a5976b6de68416c46cc4.jpg

[Tacitus]

Maybe some users are cherrypicking exotic people to pass Italian-Americans as darker than they are. Who knows...

I agree, but speaking as an Italian-American, I think there is a difference, but IMO the difference is that in the US more of the "archaic" robust types that Coon described survived via bottlenecking/sexual selection in comparison to Italy.

[Jana]

Family I lived with in US had a son who was engaged to Italian-American girl with fully Sicilian roots.

She was very alpine, brown haired and extremely pale skinned. Could pass for generic French or British any time. Anther Italian-American boy in my school was blond, with curly hair and tall. I think noric. He was probably south Italian ancestry too , because on that city most of them were Sicilians.

So much about swarthy Sicilian stereotypes.

[Percivalle]

Reynaldo Giannechini has Tuscan ancestry. Most people from São Paulo are of Calabrese descent btw (fully or partial).

Reynaldo Giannechini is of Venetian ancestry. His first surname is Cisotto, clearly Venetian. And even Giannechini seems to be Venetian. Of course being that he is Brazilian he could be mixed with something else.

https://www.paginebianche.it/ricerca?qs=Gianecchini&dv=


http://famousdude.com/images/reynaldo-gianecchini-05.jpg

[JMack]

Family I lived with in US had a son who was engaged to Italian-American girl with fully Sicilian roots.

She was very alpine, brown haired and extremely pale skinned. Could pass for generic French or British any time. Anther Italian-American boy in my school was blond, with curly hair and tall. I think noric. He was probably south Italian ancestry too , because on that city most of them were Sicilians.

So much abuut swarthy Sicilian stereotypes.

It's not a question of pigmentation. Everyone knows Southern Italians are mostly dark haired and dark eyed, it's not a big deal. The people I posted as Italian Brazilians are mostly dark too, but they still look average for Italy and Mediterranean Europe in general.

Some Italian Americans posted here in TA are a little bit ''strange''.

[Heather Duval]

Reynaldo Giannechini is of Venetian ancestry. His first surname is Cisotto, clearly Venetian. And even Giannechini seems to be Venetian. Of course being that he is Brazilian he could be mixed with something else.


http://famousdude.com/images/reynaldo-gianecchini-05.jpg

His both parents has only Italian surnames and he says one of his Italian ancestry immigrated to US.

[JMack]

Reynaldo Giannechini is of Venetian ancestry. His first surname is Cisotto, clearly Venetian. And even Giannechini seems to be Venetian. Of course being that he is Brazilian he could be mixed with something else.


I checked his name in Cognomix and it peaked in Tuscany and he said in an interview his grandfather or something was Tuscan.

[Percivalle]

His both parents has only Italian surnames and he says one of his Italian ancestry immigrated to US.

Ok whatever, but he is (also) of Venetian ancestry.

[Jana]

It's not a question of pigmentation. Everyone knows Southern Italians are mostly dark haired and dark eyed, it's not a big deal. The people I posted as Italian Brazilians are mostly dark too, but they still look average for Italy and Mediterranean Europe in general.

Some Italian Americans posted here in TA are a little bit ''strange''.

Yes, but they would never be confused wth non-white people, Arabs, Lebanse etc.....they looked like any average whites.
Boy from my school had bit Jewish look, he resembed Facebook owner Zuckenberg.

Exoticness of regular Italian-Americans is totaly owerblown on TA. Any European origin people in US don't really pass for anything else, unless some rare individuals.

[Heather Duval]

Ok whatever, but he is of Venetian ancestry, not Tuscan.

Anyway, it doesnt matter. He was hot before the cancer. He was considered the most hot actor in Brazil and often makes inter racial couples in the novelas.
http://globointernacional.globo.com/PublishingImages/Programas/dacordopecado/foto-programa-da-cor-do-pecado-preta-tais-araujo-paco-reynaldo-gianecchini.jpg
https://www.areavip.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/A-Lei-do-Amor-Laura-e-Pedro.jpg
97% of his Novela :lol:

[Heather Duval]

OP posted Bruno as exemple of Southern Italian when he is actually part Iberian. Maybe northern Portuguese

[JMack]

Exoticness of regular Italan-Americans is totaly owerblown on TA. Any European origin people in US don't really pass for anything else, unless some rare individuals.

Yup.

I think this forum exaggerate the exoticness of some European groups, that's the point of this thread. Most Italian-Americans I met in real life still looked Southern European.
But if you look at most threads here a lot of ''different'' people are posted as being regular and many people that are regular are exotified by some users. I have seen people claiming guys who are totally European looking as Lebanese or Armenian looking only because they are of Southern Italian extract.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Op’s Question is based on nonsense. There is no truth to this idea.

[Seth MacFarlane]

You answered you own question. Italian Americans are from more southernost mediterrrean areas ( that also have higher Mena in their DNA ) while the ones in Brazil are from norther areas :picard2:

[JMack]

You answered you own question. Italian Americans are from more southernost mediterrrean areas ( that also have higher Mena in their DNA ) while the ones in Brazil are from norther areas :picard2:

You lack reading comprehension. I said I'm excluding people of Northern Italian descent in the first paragraph. Most people aren't even reading what I wrote in the OP tbh.

Around half of the Italians who immigrated to Brazil were from the South, especially Calabria.

[Heather Duval]

You answered you own question. Italian Americans are from more southernost mediterrrean areas ( that also have higher Mena in their DNA ) while the ones in Brazil are from norther areas :picard2:

No such thing as Sicilians in Brazil. Rare as fuck.

[Percivalle]

I checked his name in Cognomix and it peaked in Tuscany and he said in an interview his grandfather or something was Tuscan.

Did you check it in Cognomix? Gianecchini is nonexistent in Italy according to Cognomix. And his first surname is Cisotto.

http://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cognomi-italiani/GIANECCHINI

and in pagine bianche there is only one Gianecchini in Italy, and it's in Padua, Veneto.

https://www.paginebianche.it/ricerca?qs=Gianecchini&dv=

[Heather Duval]

You lack reading comprehension. I said I'm excluding people of Northern Italian descent in the first paragraph. Most people aren't even reading what I wrote in the OP tbh.

Around half of the Italians who immigrated to Brazil were from the South, especially Calabria.

From south, not from Sicily. People you posted are even part Iberian, or central Italian.

[JMack]

Did you check it in Cognomix? Gianecchini is nonexistent in Italy according to Cognomix. And his first surname is Cisotto.

http://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cognomi-italiani/GIANECCHINI

and in pagine bianche there is only one Gianecchini in Italy, and it's in Padua, Veneto.

https://www.paginebianche.it/ricerca?qs=Gianecchini&dv=

I checked yesterday and it showed the name peaking in Tuscany. But anyway I don't know why this guy even became a point in the thread, I didn't posted him as ''Southern Italian''.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Nonsense thread. Such bs.

[Percivalle]

Anyway, it doesnt matter. He was hot before the cancer. He was considered the most hot actor in Brazil and often makes inter racial couples in the novelas.

But Reynaldo Gianecchini looks fully European.

https://rd1.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Reynaldo.jpeg

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Alcides+Rosaura+ARD+Foundations+Brazilian+MKB-wpI74rsl.jpg

[Heather Duval]

But Reynaldo Gianecchini looks fully European.

https://rd1.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Reynaldo.jpeg

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Alcides+Rosaura+ARD+Foundations+Brazilian+MKB-wpI74rsl.jpg

Yes, I didnt said it. I just said curiously he only dates non white on telenovelas.

[JMack]

The data about Italian immigration to Brazil in the beggining of 20th century. There's a misconception about only Venetians immigrating to Brazil, it's false.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/%C3%89migration_italienne_au_Br%C3%A9sil_%281876-1920%29.jpg

[Percivalle]

I checked yesterday and it showed the name peaking in Tuscany. But anyway I don't know why this guy even became a point in the thread, I didn't posted him as ''Southern Italian''.

So this night it disapperead in Cognomix.

Anyway coming back to the topic, there are a lot of Italian-Americans of southern Italian ancestry who are rarely mentioned.


John Fante

http://biografieonline.it/img/bio/gallery/j/John_Fante.jpg


Ed McBain (born Salvatore Albert Lombino)

https://whatareyoureadingfor.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ed-mcbain-portrait.jpg

Gregory Corso

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3l_WEIb6iQ8/VbaLSpPOaCI/AAAAAAAAJS8/9jIpSAQTtDk/s1600/01593.jpg

Don DeLillo

https://i.imgur.com/OmtSvle.jpg

Camille Paglia

https://thumbnails.cbc.ca/maven_legacy/thumbnails/533/347/hi-camille-paglia.jpg

Tom Perrotta

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Tom_perrotta_2007.jpg

Lee Iacocca

https://assets.hemmings.com/story_image/365241-1000-0.jpg?rev=2

[JMack]

So this night it disapperead in Cognomix.

Anyway coming back to the topic, there are a lot of Italian-Americans of southern Italian ancestry who are rarely mentioned.



The question is that we rarely see persons like these around TA if you know what I mean... Maybe Italian Americans are misrepresented here.

[Percivalle]

The question is that we rarely see persons like these around TA if you know what I mean... Maybe Italian Americans are misrepresented here.

I think that Tacitus is the right guy to answer that. Nobody in my family has migrated to the US or Brazil, so personally I can not say a lot.

[Seth MacFarlane]

No such thing as Sicilians in Brazil. Rare as fuck.

That's what I'm saying

[Seth MacFarlane]

You lack reading comprehension. I said I'm excluding people of Northern Italian descent in the first paragraph. Most people aren't even reading what I wrote in the OP tbh.

Around half of the Italians who immigrated to Brazil were from the South, especially Calabria.

Well ok That's half , at least 90 percent of their American counterparts are all from the south. But anyway it's just exxageration probably but I'm not sure because idk Italian Brazilians and the Americans aren't necessarily dark.. some definitely are your right but most have a regular pigmentation

[ÁGUIA]

As a curiosity factor, I recall a Reynaldo Gianecchini's interview to a Portuguese television channel claiming other ethnicities apart from Italian. He stated he was Italian, German, native american and possibly Portuguese. Used to be Portuguese females "heartbreaker" back in the day.

His two sisters and mother.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GaVs-p80SV0/T2HWfZ62cOI/AAAAAAAAFqc/t4pNwVWA7Rw/s1600/img-376772-heloisa-helena-mae-de-reynaldo-gianecchini-com-filhas-robert.jpg

[Antimage]

Tbh these people I posted as Italian Americans doesn't even look like typical Lebanese, they look mixed with Black or Ameridian.

Malignaggi even lived in Sicily as a kid according to wikipedia, he has to be fully sicilian.

[Mens-Sarda]

Perhaps the Brazilian civil registry made some mistake with the spelling of the surname, I've found various versions of the same surname.

GIANNECCHINI (very common in northern Tuscany)
http://www.mappadeicognomi.it/index.php?sur=giannecchini&s=Genera

GIANNECHINI (only 2 families in northern Tuscany)
http://www.mappadeicognomi.it/index.php?sur=GIANNECHINI&s=Genera

GIANECCHINI (only 1 family in Veneto)
http://www.mappadeicognomi.it/index.php?sur=GIANECcHINI&s=Genera

[JMack]

As a curiosity factor, I recall a Reynaldo Gianecchini's interview to a Portuguese television channel claiming other ethnicities apart from Italian. He stated he was Italian, German, native american and possibly Portuguese. Used to be Portuguese females "heartbreaker" back in the day.


Many people in Brazil claim whatever the fuck you imagine. It doesn't mean they really have these ancestries. I have a cousin who is most likely fully Italian and claim many things.

Ethnic background isn't that important here. From what I have seen both of his parents have only Italian surnames and are from recent extract.

[Percivalle]

Many people in Brazil claim whatever the fuck you imagine. It doesn't mean they really have these ancestries. I have a cousin who is most likely fully Italian and claim many things.

Ethnic background isn't that important here. From what I have seen both of his parents have only Italian surnames and are from recent extract.

C'mon, his sister Claudia has obvious native american ancestry that doesn't show in the other two siblings. And his father, Reynaldo Cisoto Gianecchini, was born in Brazil in "Araraquara São Paulo, 9 november 1938."

https://static.glamurama.uol.com.br/2012/11/20-Claudia-Heloisa-e-Roberta-Gianecchini-a-m%C3%A3e-entre-as-irm%C3%A3s-do-aniversariante.jpg

[JMack]

C'mon, his sister Claudia has obvious native american ancestry. And his father, Reynaldo Cisoto Gianecchini, was born in Brazil, in "Araraquara (SP), no dia 9 de novembro de 1938."


I checked some pics here on google and you're right. She looks mixed.

But I don't know why this guy became a topic in the thread tbh. I didn't even used him as example of anything.

Other user started to talk about him here and I stated he have some Tuscan ancestry (and I was right if you check the links Mens-Sarda posted). Don't know why people are insisting on all this talking about him. Maybe they think he's good looking, don't know.

[ÁGUIA]

Many people in Brazil claim whatever the fuck you imagine. It doesn't mean they really have these ancestries. I have a cousin who is most likely fully Italian and claim many things.

Ethnic background isn't that important here. From what I have seen both of his parents have only Italian surnames and are from recent extract.

Like many individuals actually conceal it, especially to value some in detriment of others. Truth is, most brazilians have indeed more than one ancestry background.
I posted merely because it was being debated if Reynaldo was of Southern or Northern extract, which to your particular thread is irrelevant, as he is not even fully Italian descent.

Back on topic Bruno Gagliasso is not fully Italian either, while Paulie Malignaggi is indeed Sicilian. The son of two Italian immigrants in the US.

About the reason why you've opened this thread, the misrepresentation of Italians on TA. All I have to say is people around here post whatever the fuck they want to suit their weird preferences/agendas, being about this phenotypes non important stuff or about any other subject. Intelectual honesty does not abound in here that often.
On the bright side, all of this it's not to be taken seriously.

Obviously southern Italians if not mixed are the same in Brazil , US or in any given place.

[Percivalle]

I checked some pics here on google and you're right. She looks mixed.

That's quite evident.



But I don't know why this guy became a topic in the thread tbh. I didn't even used him as example of anything.

Other user started to talk about him here and I stated he have some Tuscan ancestry (and I was right if you check the links Mens-Sarda posted). Don't know why people are insisting on all this talking about him. Maybe they think he's good looking, don't know.

Yes, you're right, both his paternal surnames have been misspelled. His paternal Italian ancestry is a mix of Venetian and Tuscan, his other paternal surname is Cisoto (misspelling of Cisotto, and Cisotto is clearly Venetian), assuming that there is no anything else. While it's Reynaldo's maternal line that seems to be unknown.

Reynaldo's father

https://i.imgur.com/WNMsbvq.jpg

Reynaldo's uncle (younger brother of his father)

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fausto_Giannecchini

https://i.imgur.com/xKrdhHJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Xa330iU.jpg

[Heather Duval]

Like many individuals actually conceal it, especially to value some in detriment of others. Truth is, most brazilians have indeed more than one ancestry background.
I posted merely because it was being debated if Reynaldo was of Southern or Northern extract, which to your particular thread is irrelevant, as he is not even fully Italian descent.

Back on topic Bruno Gagliasso is not fully Italian either, while Paulie Malignaggi is indeed Sicilian. The son of two Italian immigrants in the US.

About the reason why you've opened this thread, the misrepresentation of Italians on TA. All I have to say is people around here post whatever the fuck they want to suit their weird preferences/agendas, being about this phenotypes non important stuff or about any other subject. Intelectual honesty does not abound in here that often.
On the bright side, all of this it's not to be taken seriously.

Obviously southern Italians if not mixed are the same in Brazil , US or in any given place.

Bruno dont care about being Italian, French or whatever
Race is too irrelevant for him that he adopted an African kid and calls her daughter
Brunos wife doesnt want biology kids cause they are happy with their daughter
https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/p320x320/23164144_144097462892580_7853073711887286272_n.jpg

[JMack]

Bruno dont care about being Italian, French or whatever
Race is too irrelevant for him that he adopted an African kid and calls her daughter
Brunos wife doesnt want biology kids cause they are happy with their daughter
https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/p320x320/23164144_144097462892580_7853073711887286272_n.jpg

Of course, because he's a brainwashed liberal faggot who believes in 'equality' and other modern bullshits. I'm not ''racist'' (a non-sense term), but race is a reality.

[Heather Duval]

Of course, because he's a brainwashed liberal faggot who believes in 'equality' and other modern bullshits. I'm not ''racist'' (a non-sense term), but race is a reality.

He got better things to do than think about race. He got a job and a good wife. While you live in Brazil, a shit latin America country, full of mongrels.

[JMack]

He got better things to do than think about race. He got a job and a good wife. While you live in Brazil, a shit latin America country, full of mongrels.

If you live in areas with no ''diversity'' it's not shitty at all, I can PM you the place where I live to prove. It's better than many places in Europe, especially shitholes full of ''cultural enrichment'' like London or Paris.

I could live abroad if I want, I have enough money to do this. I just don't need.

[GiCa]

Because dark people prefer the North.. While Light people prefer the south..

It s an universal law

[Heather Duval]

If you live in areas with no ''diversity'' it's not shitty at all, I can PM you the place where I live to prove. It's better than many places in Europe, especially shitholes full of ''cultural enrichment'' like London or Paris.

I could live abroad if I want, I have enough money to do this. I just don't need.

I dont care. I could live even in Japan. I still dont care about people around me, i think humanity is irrelevant and most people in the streets thinks im arrogant cause i dont show any smile for humans. You seems very crazy about ethnicity lol

[Sikeliot]

Because most Italian Americans come from the parts of Sicily and Calabria with the most Levantine input... Reggio Calabria, Palermo, etc.

[JMack]

I dont care. I could live even in Japan. I still dont care about people around me, i think humanity is irrelevant and most people in the streets thinks im arrogant cause i dont show any smile for humans. You seems very crazy about ethnicity lol

I don't care about race or ethnicity at all in real life. I even have Black friends.

I just acknowledge the obvious fact that race exists.

[Mingle]

I'm from a majority South Italian part of NY. They look pretty white to me. Those guys in the bottom two pics would probably be a bit atypical among them. The folk in the first four pics you posted look much closer to the typical South Italian-American.

[Heather Duval]

I don't care about race or ethnicity at all in real life. I even have Black friends.

I just acknowledge the obvious fact that race exists.

I doubt those people posted knows Italians are a pseudo race. Anyway, I dont say hi or look at most people individuals face in the streets. Most humans are all shit to me.

[JohnSmith]

You are comparing mostly Brazilian Italians with Sicilian American,, not all Italian Americans are Sicilians and Southern Italian. They are the majority but not all are.

Here are some Southern Italian Americans:

https://assets4.bigthink.com/system/idea_thumbnails/58760/size_1024/cuomo.jpg?1430973645

http://www.history.com/s3static/video-thumbnails/AETN-History_Prod/24/138/History_Ferraro_is_Mondales_Running_Mate_Speech_SF _still_624x352.jpg

[Sikeliot]

I'm from a majority South Italian part of NY. They look pretty white to me. Those guys in the bottom two pics would probably be a bit atypical among them. The folk in the first four pics you posted look much closer to the typical South Italian-American.

Do you know for sure they are not mixed with North European? There are a lot of people of mixed Irish-Italian descent.

I do see SOME Near Eastern input in three of the first four people but they still look "white" yes.

[JMack]

Do you know for sure they are not mixed with North European? There are a lot of people of mixed Irish-Italian descent.

I do see SOME Near Eastern input in three of the first four people but they still look "white" yes.

There's no Near Eastern in them. They would pass best in France than in any MENA country. These ''Louis Garrel-like'' cherrypicked Levantines from TA aren't average Near Easterners. Look at the member amoora, she is half British and half Lebanese and still look unpassable anywhere in Europe. Get real.

[Sikeliot]

There's no Near Eastern in them. They would pass best in France than in any MENA country. These ''Louis Garrel-like'' cherrypicked Levantines from TA aren't average Near Easterners. Look at the member amoora, she is half British and half Lebanese and still look unpassable anywhere in Europe. Get real.

I actually live near a lot of Armenians, Lebanese, etc. so I can say they do pass often times. You have a darker idea of them than what is accurate and NO the first woman and fourth man absolutely do not fit better in France.

[JMack]

I actually live near a lot of Armenians, Lebanese, etc. so I can say they do pass often times. You have a darker idea of them than what is accurate and NO the first woman and fourth man absolutely do not fit better in France.

There's a lot of them where I live too. There are more Lebanese here than anywhere in the world. Some look European, but most look very different. The ones who look European doesn't look only like Italians at all, they could pass as a lot of Euro ethnicities. They do fit better in France, I can post many French even more exotic than these persons who aren't even exotic for European standards.

[Sikeliot]

There's a lot of them where I live too. There are more Lebanese here than anywhere in the world. Some look European, but most look very different. The ones who look European doesn't look only like Italians at all, they could pass as a lot of Euro ethnicities. They do fit better in France, I can post many French even more exotic than these persons who aren't even exotic for European standards.

When you posted those photos I was surprised you used them as examples because they do look exotic still to my eyes.

[Mingle]

Do you know for sure they are not mixed with North European? There are a lot of people of mixed Irish-Italian descent.

I do see SOME Near Eastern input in three of the first four people but they still look "white" yes.

I don't know for sure if they were mixed with Irish, but I doubt it since they just identify as only Italian. Tbh, I'm not 100% sure they're all South Italian as some could be North Italian. Most that I asked were Sicilian though, but it's not something I ask often.

The first 3 don't look northern Euro, but they do look Sicilian whereas the bottom 2 seem a bit atypical. Though there was this one Sicilian guy I met that looked straight up South Asian and he was even easily darker than me, but that was only one instance though. Most are whiter than the Jersey Shore Italians, some can even be pretty pale.

[Sikeliot]

I don't know for sure if they were mixed with Irish, but I doubt it since they just identify as only Italian. Tbh, I'm not 100% sure they're all South Italian as some could be North Italian. Most that I asked were Sicilian though, but it's not something I ask often.

The first 3 don't look northern Euro, but they do look Sicilian whereas the bottom 2 seem a bit atypical. Though there was this one Sicilian guy I met that looked straight up South Asian and he was even easily darker than me, but that was only one instance though. Most are whiter than the Jersey Shore Italians, some can even be pretty pale.


I have long stated that Sicilians are not necessarily dark -- many of them are actually light in coloring -- but like with Jews, if you look at their features you can observe Near Eastern influences which are only common in peripheral groups like Aegean islands, southern Italy, Malta, etc.

[JMack]

When you posted those photos I was surprised you used them as examples because they do look exotic still to my eyes.

''Exotic'' look is something subjective and you can claim almost any dark haired Mediterranean person is ''exotic''. It's what I call ''Schrödinger's Phenotype'' here on TA. Depending of someone's ancestry different users will give different answers about one's phenotype mostly dependent on the agendas of said users.

If these persons were Iberian (they could all be, maybe the fourth guy less, but still passes) you would not say this. They look mostly what they are anyway.

But I don't want to waste my time anymore with this endless pointless discussion...

[Tacitus]

I have long stated that Sicilians are not necessarily dark -- many of them are actually light in coloring -- but like with Jews, if you look at their features you can observe Near Eastern influences which are only common in peripheral groups like Aegean islands, southern Italy, Malta, etc.

I'm not so sure about that. Here are a few examples of lighter Sicilians and they don't really show any "Near Eastern" influences to me:
https://s18.postimg.org/4d2418j6x/lillo-firetto-2.jpg

https://s18.postimg.org/o7o5nsdyh/1442505144599.jpg--.jpg

https://s18.postimg.org/htz2kc6ft/medium_110217-174352_to111209spe_0007.jpg

https://s18.postimg.org/adzsykt15/2799633.main_image.jpg

https://s18.postimg.org/qdightjuh/Dugo-_Monica-12197-1500.jpg

https://s18.postimg.org/l23jx3q21/lorena-cacciatore-amfar-gala-milano-red-carpet-in-milan-italy-09.jpg

https://s18.postimg.org/ezvx70el5/antonino-la-gumina-palermo-october-24-2017-football-soccer-itali.jpg

https://s18.postimg.org/40apvfj15/Bruno-_Torrisi.jpg

[Sikeliot]

I'm not so sure about that. Here are a few examples of lighter Sicilians and they don't really show any "Near Eastern" influences to me:

Their DNA will show it.

[Tauromachos]

There's a lot of them where I live too. There are more Lebanese here than anywhere in the world. Some look European, but most look very different. The ones who look European doesn't look only like Italians at all, they could pass as a lot of Euro ethnicities. .

True including Mainland Greeks only he thinks its impossible. :lol:

[Tauromachos]

''Exotic'' look

More Exotic Northern Europeans
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51KnBkLw0vL._SY355_.jpghttps://www.karneval-feuerwerk.de/item/images/381/1000x1000/381-Regenfarben-Irokese--Punker-Peruecke-bunt.jpg

[JohnSmith]

They really are not darker. Italian American get depicted in Hollywood as dark but in reality they fit in fine with their Anglo counterparts for the most part.

There are not even many full blooded Italian Americans left in the USA.