Not Caucasoid. ANE North Eurasian Admixture

[ButlerKing]

Some people keep claiming this DNA is Caucasoid/or western Eurasian, looking at the genetic map it doesn't make any damn sense. It couldn't be just strictly Caucasoid.



1. Some Mongoloids from East Asia and Southeast Asia have higher ANE admixture than some Caucasoids and half Caucasoids

* Northern African Caucasoid from Southern Algeria, Libya have 0% ANE
* Saudi Arabians Caucasoids from the central have it lower than Chinese, Burmese, Nivkhs
* East Africans Entreans, Sudanese Arabs have 30-70% Caucasoid admixture but 0% ANE
* Central North Africans have 20-45% West Eurasian admixture but 0% ANE


2. The highest percent of this DNA reaches on some predominant Mongoloid DNA such as Selkups, Kets

* Selkups, Kets are a clearly mixed race but they also have admixture the Russian and Slavic immigrants


3. Filipinos have 0% ANE admixture while other Southeast Asian have it much higher ??????

* The only Southeast Asians who claim European ancestry are Filipino
* I mean we all freaking know any European admixture in Filipinos come from the Spaniards and South American, the Spaniards have it significantly so how come the Filipino have none of this DNA

http://s014.radikal.ru/i329/1512/f3/630c469b270e.png

I don't think the ANE in Asia have anything to do with West Eurasian admixture

DNA

" A people similar to MA-1 were important genetic contributors to Native Americans, Europeans, Central and South Asians, and minor contribution to East Eurasians. [10] Lazaridis et al. (2016) notes "a cline of ANE ancestry across the east-west extent of Eurasia."[11] According to a 2016 study, it was found that the global maximum of ANE ancestry occurs in modern-day Kets, Mansi, Native Americans, Nganasans and Yukaghirs.[3] "


http://oi60.tinypic.com/2myu6u0.jpg

[Ülev]

Steppe Warriors admixture

[Token]

The highest ANE percentages are found in Amerindians. Mal'ta boy scores 70% West Eurasian and 30% East Eurasian in Gedrosia K3 so ANE have a huge West Eurasian (Caucasoid) affinity.

[Ülev]

Caucasoid:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?223994-Classify-Sahrawi-Prime-Minister-Abdelkader-Taleb-Omar
Steppe Warrior:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217460-Classify-Arjen-Robben

[ButlerKing]

The highest ANE percentages are found in Amerindians. Mal'ta boy scores 70% West Eurasian and 30% East Eurasian in Gedrosia K3 so ANE have a huge West Eurasian (Caucasoid) affinity.

This doesn't make any freaking sense. So are you telling me most Mongoloids are actually West Eurasian/East Eurasian mixed. I mean if this ANE is really some western Eurasian component than that means most Southeast Asians, most East Asians are not pure Mongoloids ?

Look at Filipino DNA

5% Southern Europeans
3% Southern Asians
2% Native American

= 0% ANE admixture ?

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bf7d6dbd5e0fc3d57d4d6c3c0119fd56-c

It makes no sense that they have 0% ANE admixture where as other Mongoloid populations who don't even have European admixture have them.

[Kouros]

http://s014.radikal.ru/i329/1512/f3/630c469b270e.png

This is a different map from the one that is usually posted, what's the change?

[Token]

This doesn't make any freaking sense. So are you telling me most Mongoloids are actually West Eurasian/East Eurasian mixed. I mean if this ANE is really some western Eurasian component than that means most Southeast Asians, most East Asians are not pure Mongoloids ?

Look at Filipino DNA

5% Southern Europeans
3% Southern Asians
2% Native American

= 0% ANE admixture ?

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bf7d6dbd5e0fc3d57d4d6c3c0119fd56-c

It makes no sense that they have 0% ANE admixture where as other Mongoloid populations who don't even have European admixture have them.

East Asians don't have significant ANE admixture, just Siberians groups like the Kets and Native Americans, that are genetically proven to be at least one third West Eurasian. Considering that ANE/MA-1 is around 2/3 West Eurasian-like and Amerindians score around 30-40% ANE with some groups scoring even more, it makes perfect sense.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/11/21/study-native-americanshavewesteurasianorigins.html
Native Americans have closer genetic ties to people in Eurasia, the Middle East and Europe than previously believed, according to new research on a 24,000-year-old human bone. Genome sequencing on the arm bone of a 3-year-old Siberian boy known as the "Mal'ta Boy," the world's oldest known human genome, shows that Native Americans share up to one-third of their DNA with people from those regions, said Kelly Graf, a research assistant professor at the Department of Anthropology at Texas A&M University and a member of the international research team.

[Jana]

Some north Indian groups score highest ANE. It arhaic component, but I wouldn't call it mongoloid, because pure mogoloid east asians score very little of it.

[ButlerKing]

This is a different map from the one that is usually posted, what's the change?

ANE admixture in previous map was lower for East Asian/Southeast Asian and even non-existant in some Caucasoid population

The previous map also showed Filipinos with 0% ANE admixture and now this aswell, this is why I'm convince ANE couldn't be simply a west Eurasian genetic DNA

MAYBE not all ANE is the same. Maybe the ones in East Asia are more shifted to Mongoloid. I must say Siberian Kets and Selkups most of them have Russian ancestry so it's hard to even know if their west Eurasian ancestry is from ANE or from Russians.

It is stupid to think the Chinese and Vietnamese who are 100% East Asian by DNA show high ANE admixture
Where as Caucasoid and their halfbreeds populations in Africa show 0% including the Filipino people who have 5% South European 2% Native American 3% South Asian which are all contaminated by ANE admixture. By all means they should at least have higher ANE admixture than the pure Mongoloid population of Chinese and Vietnamese.

[Ülev]

and North India is full of R1atheloids, but R1b not better, both Steppe Warriors, originally from Ural Mountains

[Kouros]

ANE admixture in previous map was lower for East Asian/Southeast Asian and even non-existant in some Caucasoid population

The previous map also showed Filipinos with 0% ANE admixture and now this aswell, this is why I'm convince ANE couldn't be simply a west Eurasian genetic DNA

So I don't get it, which one is the correct map?

And what was the change based on?

[ButlerKing]

East Asians don't have significant ANE admixture, just Siberians groups like the Kets and Native Americans, that are genetically proven to be at least one third West Eurasian. Considering that ANE/MA-1 is around 2/3 West Eurasian-like and Amerindians score around 30-40% ANE with some groups scoring even more, it makes perfect sense.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/11/21/study-native-americanshavewesteurasianorigins.html
Native Americans have closer genetic ties to people in Eurasia, the Middle East and Europe than previously believed, according to new research on a 24,000-year-old human bone. Genome sequencing on the arm bone of a 3-year-old Siberian boy known as the "Mal'ta Boy," the world's oldest known human genome, shows that Native Americans share up to one-third of their DNA with people from those regions, said Kelly Graf, a research assistant professor at the Department of Anthropology at Texas A&M University and a member of the international research team.

A lot of Caucasoid population also have this DNA in very low to almost non-existant. Mal'ta Boy had Mongoloid features.

Anyway I don't believe ANE is simply just some west Eurasian admixture because Filipinos don't have even though the Spanish have it quite high

According to DNA Native Americans are 2/3 East Eurasian and 1/3 West Eurasian, properly only less than 1/4 if this ANE is mixed with East Eurasian. All maybe not all ANE is the same. Maybe the ones in East Asia are more shifted to Mongoloids.

And as for Siberian Kets most of them have Russian ancestry so it's hard to even know if their west Eurasian ancestry is from ANE or from Russians.

[Token]

A lot of Caucasoid population also have this DNA in very low to almost non-existant. Mal'ta Boy had Mongoloid features.

Anyway I don't believe ANE is simply just some west Eurasian admixture because Filipinos don't have even though the Spanish have it quite high

Spanish don't score much ANE, they have it around 7-12.5% and Filipinos don't have significant Southern European ancestry so it makes sense that they don't score any significant percentage of it.

[Ülev]

mostly they attacked European Plain on their horses, simply as that


https://youtu.be/wGfGs2DKFnA

[ButlerKing]

Spanish don't score much ANE, they have it around 7-12.5% and Filipinos don't have significant Southern European ancestry so it makes sense that they don't score any significant percentage of it.


I don't know where you got 7% from

Spanish DNA

EEF 80.9%
WHG 6.8%
ANE 12.3%


Filipino having 5% Southern European, 2% Native American, 3% Southern Asian which is 10% so by all means they should at least show ANE or at least higher than Chinese, Japanese and other Southeast Asians who don't even have a single drop of European blood. It should at least show 2-3% It still makes sense to show some green on the map on the Filipinos.


Now what about the Chinese ? everytime I see of them always shown 0% West Eurasian admixture except when they have ANE

http://i50.tinypic.com/2pqjf2p.jpg

[Ülev]

R1 took Caucasoid look from IJ y-dna folk and gave their own look to SinO3ids
(bump)

[ButlerKing]

Spanish don't score much ANE, they have it around 7-12.5% and Filipinos don't have significant Southern European ancestry so it makes sense that they don't score any significant percentage of it.

And the Vietnamese people !!!

They seem to have it even higher ANE than the Chinese yet they don't even have any western Eurasian admixture in any DNA test I've seen. Their ANE is higher than Chinese with the exception of the Chinese from Southern central who have it much higher ANE.

43% Southeast Asian
57% Northeast Asian

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Admixture/VIETNAM.jpg

[Token]

I don't know where you got 7% from

Spanish DNA

EEF 80.9%
WHG 6.8%
ANE 12.3%

Northern Spaniards score more ANE (around 12.5% on average) than their southern counterparts (Haak et al. 2015). The sample that you posted is probably from the north.


Filipino having 5% Southern European, 2% Native American, 3% Southern Asian which is 10% so by all means they should at least show ANE or at least higher than Chinese, Japanese and other Southeast Asians who don't even have a single drop of European blood. It should at least show 2-3% It still makes sense to show some green on the map on the Filipinos.

ANE in East Asians have nothing to do with European admixture, it's much more archaic and the fact that Northeast Asians are closer to the Mal'ta buret cultural complex and more recent Siberian ethnicities can be the explanation to this.


Now what about the Chinese ? everytime I see of them always shown 0% West Eurasian admixture except when they have ANE
Because Chinese didn't received any significant West Eurasian migration and they just have some West Eurasian-affinity due to the ANE admixture, which is very low.

[ButlerKing]

Northern Spaniards score more ANE (around 12.5% on average) than their southern counterparts (Haak et al. 2015). The sample that you posted is probably from the north.



ANE in East Asians have nothing to do with European admixture, it's much more archaic and the fact that Northeast Asians are closer to the Mal'ta buret cultural complex and more recent Siberian ethnicities can be the explanation to this.


Because Chinese didn't received any significant West Eurasian migration and they just have some West Eurasian-affinity due to the ANE admixture, which is very low.

I've only seen Spanish with 12.3% ANE admixture. I've looked everywhere for this 7% but can't find it anywhere.

When I said European I really meant to say "West Eurasian". If this is suppose to be a West Eurasian affinity DNA than how do we explain why the Chinese, Southeast Asian, Japanese have it aswell? And the ANE admixture in the Chinese from Southern-Central seems about as high Siberians and higher than many Caucasoid populations

[Leto]

Korean:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 98.26
2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.26
3 Natufian 0.42
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 0.03
5 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Han 0.6
2 Ulchi 1.57
3 Dai 2.1
4 Ami 2.1
5 Mongola 5.36

Chinese (most likely Han):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 95.18
2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.72
3 Sub_Saharan 0.67
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 0.22
5 Natufian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ami 2.02
2 Han 3.4
3 Mongola 4.43
4 Ulchi 4.95
5 Dai 5.87

Armenian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 55.32
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 28.77
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 12.82
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.07
5 Sub_Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 1.73
2 Jew_Iranian 2.05
3 Jew_iraqi 2.94
4 Georgian 4.79
5 Druze 5.99

Georgian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 51.43
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 31.92
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 14.46
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1
5 East_Asian 0.69
6 Sub_Saharan 0.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian 2.22
2 Assyrian 5.38
3 Jew_Iranian 6.76
4 Jew_iraqi 6.88
5 Iranian 7.81

White American of Anglo-Celtic origin:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 45
2 Natufian 35.83
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Czech 1.35
2 English 1.41
3 Scottish 2.37
4 Norwegian 2.74
5 Hungarian 3

It is obviously NOT a Mongoloid component.

[kingjohn]

motola12 Mesolithic Sweden 19% ANE

it also score the same % when i put this kitnumber in the ancient ANE K7 calculator of davidski gedmatch


Kit Number: F999917 Elapsed Time: 6.15 seconds


Population
ANE 19.62
ASE -
WHG-UHG 80.23
East_Eurasian 0.14
West_African -
East_African -
ENF -

[ButlerKing]

Korean:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 98.26
2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.26
3 Natufian 0.42
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 0.03
5 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Han 0.6
2 Ulchi 1.57
3 Dai 2.1
4 Ami 2.1
5 Mongola 5.36

Chinese (most likely Han):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 95.18
2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.72
3 Sub_Saharan 0.67
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 0.22
5 Natufian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ami 2.02
2 Han 3.4
3 Mongola 4.43
4 Ulchi 4.95
5 Dai 5.87

Armenian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 55.32
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 28.77
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 12.82
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.07
5 Sub_Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 1.73
2 Jew_Iranian 2.05
3 Jew_iraqi 2.94
4 Georgian 4.79
5 Druze 5.99

Georgian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 51.43
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 31.92
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 14.46
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1
5 East_Asian 0.69
6 Sub_Saharan 0.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian 2.22
2 Assyrian 5.38
3 Jew_Iranian 6.76
4 Jew_iraqi 6.88
5 Iranian 7.81

White American of Anglo-Celtic origin:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 45
2 Natufian 35.83
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Czech 1.35
2 English 1.41
3 Scottish 2.37
4 Norwegian 2.74
5 Hungarian 3

It is obviously NOT a Mongoloid component.


It's obviously not a Mongoloid component but is definitely not just Caucasoid. You showed the highest percentages for the Caucasoid but what about the ones who score only 1-2%

Also a lot of Han Chinese have it much higher.

Sichuan province seems to have around 7-13% given the coloring is similar to some Europeans

http://www.samsays.com/Images/275px-China_Sichuan.svg.png
http://s014.radikal.ru/i329/1512/f3/630c469b270e.png

Sichuan province DNA 100% East Eurasian ( 50% East Asian + 50% Southeast Asian )

http://i50.tinypic.com/2pqjf2p.jpg

[Token]

I've only seen Spanish with 12.3% ANE admixture. I've looked everywhere for this 7% but can't find it anywhere.
See the Haak et al paper which is a peer-reviewed source. ANE is a integral part in the Yamnaya label and was brought to Europe by Bronze Age invaders. Northern Spaniards score more Yamnaya (roughly 28.1%) compared to others Spaniards (18.1%) so, if you module the Yamnaya component as ~45% ANE (which is the approximate average for Samara Yamnaya) you'll get close to 7% ANE for Southern Spaniards and 12.5% for Northerners.


When I said European I really meant to say "West Eurasian". If this is suppose to be a West Eurasian affinity DNA than how do we explain why the Chinese, Southeast Asian, Japanese have it aswell? And the ANE admixture in the Chinese from Southern-Central seems about as high Siberians and higher than many Caucasoid populations
Most of them score negligible percentages of ANE.

[ButlerKing]

Korean:


Chinese (most likely Han):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 95.18
2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.72
3 Sub_Saharan 0.67
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 0.22
5 Natufian 0.21



Seems to me you just made this up completely or mistaken it for another group. Since when the hell did Chinese have 0.67% Sub-Saharan and 3.67% of this Southeast Eurasian ( which is proxy to Onge, Australoid population? )

Here is ANE in Mongoloids

http://i.imgur.com/cnYjAMY.jpg

[kingjohn]

kotias chg

M411747 Elapsed Time: 3.90 seconds


Population
ANE 31.39 so now what kotias was 31% gook the answer is no
ASE 5.03
WHG-UHG -
East_Eurasian -
West_African 1.89
East_African -
ENF 61.68

[ButlerKing]

See the Haak et al paper which is a peer-reviewed source. ANE is a integral part in the Yamnaya label and was brought to Europe by Bronze Age invaders. Northern Spaniards score more Yamnaya (roughly 28.1%) compared to others Spaniards (18.1%) so, if you module the Yamnaya component as ~45% ANE (which is the approximate average for Samara Yamnaya) you'll get close to 7% ANE for Southern Spaniards and 12.5% for Northerners.


Most of them score negligible percentages of ANE.


ANE is most likely a mixed component. A Mongoloid-Europoid component with different degrees of ancestry.

I mean come on.... how stupid to think that populations like Daur, Oroqen who have 100% pure Mongoloid admixture have 7% and 9.24% ANE admixture


Oroqen have one of the highest Siberian component a DNA that reaches 40-60% in Mongolian 30-55% in Koreans. In this study West Mongolians who have different degree of Turkic ancestry shows west Eurasian admixture, it makes sense when they are several Turkic ethnic group residing there.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ppyhbm.jpg

[ButlerKing]

kotias chg

M411747 Elapsed Time: 3.90 seconds


Population
ANE 31.39 so now what kotias was 31% gook the answer is no
ASE 5.03
WHG-UHG -
East_Eurasian -
West_African 1.89
East_African -
ENF 61.68


If you don't understand what I mean to say.


I said ANE cannot not simply just be a West Eurasian components, the ones in Europe are but not the ones in Asia.

In other words the ANE in Mongoloid Asia have nothing to do with west Eurasian admixture

[Token]

ANE is most likely a mixed component. A Mongoloid-Europoid component with different degrees of ancestry.
Yes, it is, but with a higher West Eurasian-affinity.

Malta Boy in Dodecad V3 calculator = 84% Caucasoid:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 37.68
2 South_Asian 26.04
3 East_European 20.03
4 Northeast_Asian 15.53
5 Neo_African 0.38
6 Palaeo_African 0.34

Malta Boy in Gedrosia K3 calculator = 70% Caucasoid:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 69.88
2 E_Eurasian 30.12

Malta Boy in Eurogenes K15 calculator = 0% East Asian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Eastern_Euro 38.02
2 South_Asian 20.31
3 Amerindian 18.62
4 North_Sea 15.91
5 Baltic 6.54
6 Sub-Saharan 0.47
7 Oceanian 0.12

Malta Boy in Gedrosia K6 = 94% ANE, 2% East Asian, 2% WHG, 2% ASE:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 94.13
2 East_Asian 2.01
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 1.93
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.78
5 Sub_Saharan 0.09
6 Natufian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 AG2 6.76
2 AG3 6.76
3 MA1 6.76
=========
4 EHG 24.08
5 GujaratiB 62.91
6 Punjabi 63.18
7 CHG 64
8 GujaratiA 64.19
9 Kalash 64.27
10 Sindhi 64.28
11 Pathan 64.43
12 Kurd_SE 65.3
13 Burusho 65.56
14 Balochi 65.81
15 Steppe_EMBA 66.02
16 GujaratiC 66.15
17 Brahui 66.21
18 GujaratiD 66.47
19 Punjabi_PJL 67.62
20 Makrani 67.68

Anyway, from where are you getting these percentages for East Asians?

[Jana]

ANE is most likely a mixed component. A Mongoloid-Europoid component with different degrees of ancestry.

It's not. It is ancestral to both.

[ButlerKing]

Yes, it is, but with a higher West Eurasian-affinity.


Or maybe the ANE in Europe and East Asia are different types ?

What percentages on the ethnic group do you mean ?

[Token]

Or maybe the ANE in Europe and East Asia are different types ?

What percentages on the ethnic group do you mean ?

Where did you got 7-9.4% ANE for Oroqen and Daur?

[ButlerKing]

Yes, it is, but with a higher West Eurasian-affinity.

Malta Boy in Dodecad V3 calculator = 84% Caucasoid:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 37.68
2 South_Asian 26.04
3 East_European 20.03
4 Northeast_Asian 15.53
5 Neo_African 0.38
6 Palaeo_African 0.34

Malta Boy in Gedrosia K3 calculator = 70% Caucasoid:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 69.88
2 E_Eurasian 30.12

Malta Boy in Eurogenes K15 calculator = 0% East Asian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Eastern_Euro 38.02
2 South_Asian 20.31
3 Amerindian 18.62
4 North_Sea 15.91
5 Baltic 6.54
6 Sub-Saharan 0.47
7 Oceanian 0.12

Malta Boy in Gedrosia K6 = 94% ANE, 2% East Asian, 2% WHG, 2% ASE:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 94.13
2 East_Asian 2.01
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 1.93
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.78
5 Sub_Saharan 0.09
6 Natufian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 AG2 6.76
2 AG3 6.76
3 MA1 6.76
=========
4 EHG 24.08
5 GujaratiB 62.91
6 Punjabi 63.18
7 CHG 64
8 GujaratiA 64.19
9 Kalash 64.27
10 Sindhi 64.28
11 Pathan 64.43
12 Kurd_SE 65.3
13 Burusho 65.56
14 Balochi 65.81
15 Steppe_EMBA 66.02
16 GujaratiC 66.15
17 Brahui 66.21
18 GujaratiD 66.47
19 Punjabi_PJL 67.62
20 Makrani 67.68

Anyway, from where are you getting these percentages for East Asians?


I'm starting to wonder, are any of these Malta boy DNA test even accurate. They said Mongoloid features were acknowledged in Malta boy.


Lol how convenient, most people in here always argue South Asian is not a Caucasoid but a Australoid component but yet when some kid like Malta boy shows it classifies as Caucasoid. What the hell is South Asian ancestry doing in Siberia.....why is so damn confusing. Malta boy should only be 50-70% Caucasoid if you don't consider South Asian as Caucasoid.

It's great that Malt'a boy is racially/genetically partially South Asian and South Asian are indeed Caucasoid however it reaches 100% in South India's Veddoid Caucasoid

100% South Asian DNA. There's not single race outside of South Asia with this pure DNA except in South Indian.

http://www.bmj.com/sites/default/files/attachments/resources/2017/04/south_asia_children_happy.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Where did you got 7-9.4% ANE for Oroqen and Daur?

Here is ANE dna results for Oroqen and Daur. There was a document DNA results for all ethnicity in the world. This one is East Asia section.

http://i.imgur.com/cnYjAMY.jpg

[kingjohn]

It's not. It is ancestral to both.

correct :thumb001:

[Leto]

The ANE were most likely not a single race but merely a shared ancestral component. It's extremely ancient. The EHGs and CHGs already had it before merging into the Yamnya culture. And the Malta boy was found somewhere in Irkutsk oblast, thousands of miles away from South Russia.

[ButlerKing]

The ANE were most likely not a single race but merely a shared ancestral component. It's extremely ancient. The EHGs and CHGs already had it before merging into the Yamnya culture. And the Malta boy was found somewhere in Irkutsk oblast, thousands of miles away from South Russia.

What race is this Malt'a wouldn't be like a modern day Gypsy with significant Mongoloid admixture ? All he is a Mongoloid boy with hybrid DNA. I JUST DON'T FREAKING UNDERSTAND, is it even human or some genetic freak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal%27ta%E2%80%93Buret%27_culture

Physical anthropology[edit]

The skeletal remains of MA-1 have been described as phenotypically East Asian ("Mongoloid"). Alexeev (1998, p. 323) in his later publication stated that this area was "inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance". [6] Genomic study Raghavan et al. (2014) and Fu et al. (2016) found Mal'ta Buret had brown eyes, dark hair and dark skin.[1][7]



A people similar to MA-1 were important genetic contributors to Native Americans, Europeans, Central and South Asians, and minor contribution to East Eurasians. [10] Lazaridis et al. (2016) notes "a cline of ANE ancestry across the east-west extent of Eurasia."[11] According to a 2016 study, it was found that the global maximum of ANE ancestry occurs in modern-day Kets, Mansi, Native Americans, Nganasans and Yukaghirs.[3] Additionally it has been reported in ancient Bronze-age-steppe Yamnaya and Afanasevo cultures.[2] Between 14 and 38 percent of Native American ancestry may originate from gene flow from the Mal'ta Buret people, while the other geneflow in Native Americans appears to have an Eastern Eurasian origin. [1] Sequencing of another south-central Siberian (Afontova Gora-2) dating to approximately 17,000 years ago, revealed similar autosomal genetic signatures as Mal'ta boy-1, suggesting that the region was continuously occupied by humans throughout the Last Glacial Maximum. [1]



ANYWAY........... If Gypsies are not considered white due to their 0-20% South Asia admixture the Malta boy is definitely a Gypsy racial type having 20-26% South Asian DNA or even Gypsy-Mongoloid boy with predominant Mongoloid phenotype.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2013/10/roma2.png

[kingjohn]

EHG
leto you are correct EHG had huge %

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Population
ANE 38.14
ASE 2.82
WHG-UHG 55.85
East_Eurasian 3.20


and corded ware germany
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Population
ANE 25.73
ASE 2.78
WHG-UHG 58.33
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.18
ENF 12.96

[ButlerKing]

EHG
leto you are correct EHG had huge %

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Population
ANE 38.14
ASE 2.82
WHG-UHG 55.85
East_Eurasian 3.20


and corded ware germany
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Population
ANE 25.73
ASE 2.78
WHG-UHG 58.33
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.18
ENF 12.96


Yes, maybe the ANE in Europe is Caucasoid but not the ones in Asia Mongoloid

[ButlerKing]

EHG
leto you are correct EHG had huge %

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Population
ANE 38.14
ASE 2.82
WHG-UHG 55.85
East_Eurasian 3.20


and corded ware germany
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Population
ANE 25.73
ASE 2.78
WHG-UHG 58.33
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.18
ENF 12.96


DNA

" A people similar to MA-1 were important genetic contributors to Native Americans, Europeans, Central and South Asians, and minor contribution to East Eurasians. [10] Lazaridis et al. (2016) notes "a cline of ANE ancestry across the east-west extent of Eurasia."[11] According to a 2016 study, it was found that the global maximum of ANE ancestry occurs in modern-day Kets, Mansi, Native Americans, Nganasans and Yukaghirs.[3] "


http://oi60.tinypic.com/2myu6u0.jpg

[kingjohn]

early bronze age jordan

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Population
ANE - 0% nadaaaaaaaaaaaa......
ASE -
WHG-UHG 7.68
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.54
ENF 91.78


p.s
modern middle eastern even levantines carry ANE today so something was going on the middle east since the time of the bronze age.

[Token]

early bronze age jordan
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Population
ANE - 0% nadaaaaaaaaaaaa......
ASE -
WHG-UHG 7.68
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.54
ENF 91.78
p.s
modern middle eastern even levantines carry ANE today so something was going on the middle east since the time of the bronze age.
Do you have Native American results?

[Hadouken]

Korean:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 98.26
2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.26
3 Natufian 0.42
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 0.03
5 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Han 0.6
2 Ulchi 1.57
3 Dai 2.1
4 Ami 2.1
5 Mongola 5.36

Chinese (most likely Han):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 95.18
2 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.72
3 Sub_Saharan 0.67
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 0.22
5 Natufian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ami 2.02
2 Han 3.4
3 Mongola 4.43
4 Ulchi 4.95
5 Dai 5.87

Armenian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 55.32
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 28.77
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 12.82
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.07
5 Sub_Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 1.73
2 Jew_Iranian 2.05
3 Jew_iraqi 2.94
4 Georgian 4.79
5 Druze 5.99

Georgian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 51.43
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 31.92
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 14.46
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1
5 East_Asian 0.69
6 Sub_Saharan 0.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian 2.22
2 Assyrian 5.38
3 Jew_Iranian 6.76
4 Jew_iraqi 6.88
5 Iranian 7.81

White American of Anglo-Celtic origin:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 45
2 Natufian 35.83
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Czech 1.35
2 English 1.41
3 Scottish 2.37
4 Norwegian 2.74
5 Hungarian 3

It is obviously NOT a Mongoloid component.

yep.

mine

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 48.22
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 29.52
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 14.16
4 East_Asian 5.4
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.09
6 Sub_Saharan 0.62

# Population (source) Distance

1 Azeri 2.95
2 Adygei 5.05
3 Turkish 6.2
4 Balkar 6.58
5 Kumyk 6.72
6 Iranian 6.94
7 Chechen 6.99
8 Georgian 7.45
9 Iran_N_WC1 7.68
10 Iran_recent 7.86
11 Kurd_C 8.58
12 Lezgin 8.71
13 Assyrian 8.86
14 Armenia_ChL 9.44
15 Jew_Iranian 9.77
16 Jew_iraqi 9.96
17 Kurd_F 10.28
18 Syrian 10.52
19 Druze 10.85
20 Iranian_Mazandarani 10.96

[kingjohn]

Do you have Native American results?

i think lukasz uploaded this full Amerind


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Population
ANE 35.20 not far from the 40% ANE + 60% east asian model of native americans .
ASE 3.38
WHG-UHG 2.62
East_Eurasian 56.95
West_African -
East_African 1.86
ENF -

[kingjohn]

hinxton 4 ancient celt britain

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Population
ANE 16.62
ASE 1.52
WHG-UHG 65.59
East_Eurasian 0.80
West_African 0.14
East_African 1.11
ENF 14.22

[Rethel]

ANE is not real.
It is a mix, Castizo-like.

[Pahli]

Mal'ta boii:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 49.96
2 Americas 17.77
3 South_Asia 16.09
4 West_Asia 9.77
5 Siberia 4.13
6 West_Africa 1.7
7 Oceania 0.58

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Aluet 23.97
2 Chuvash 29.25
3 Tatar 29.65
4 Mordovian 31.61
5 Russian 32.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.8% Finnish + 22.2% Pima @ 19.87
2 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Colombian @ 19.99
3 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Karitiana @ 19.99
4 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Surui @ 19.99
5 77.9% Finnish + 22.1% Mayan @ 20.01

AfontovaGora3 + AfontovaGora2 (Younger and more Western shifted ANE than Mal'ta):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 70.29
2 Americas 17.24
3 West_Asia 11.08
4 South_Asia 1.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Finnish 24.84
2 Latvian 27.87
3 Lithuanian 28.52
4 Russian 28.72
5 Estonian 28.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86% Finnish + 14% Colombian @ 17.13
2 86% Finnish + 14% Karitiana @ 17.13
3 86% Finnish + 14% Surui @ 17.13
4 85.8% Finnish + 14.2% Pima @ 17.36
5 85.8% Finnish + 14.2% Mayan @ 17.41


My own results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 51.23
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 32.36
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 10.95
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.92
5 Sub_Saharan 0.8
6 East_Asian 0.75

Iran Mesolithic:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 53.44
2 Natufian 35.58
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 6.78
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.8
5 Sub_Saharan 1.4

CHG Satsurblia:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 48.8
2 Natufian 41.89
3 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 6.95
4 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 1.65
5 Sub_Saharan 0.71

[Kamal900]

Mal'ta boii:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 49.96
2 Americas 17.77
3 South_Asia 16.09
4 West_Asia 9.77
5 Siberia 4.13
6 West_Africa 1.7
7 Oceania 0.58

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Aluet 23.97
2 Chuvash 29.25
3 Tatar 29.65
4 Mordovian 31.61
5 Russian 32.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.8% Finnish + 22.2% Pima @ 19.87
2 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Colombian @ 19.99
3 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Karitiana @ 19.99
4 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Surui @ 19.99
5 77.9% Finnish + 22.1% Mayan @ 20.01

AfontovaGora3 + AfontovaGora2 (Younger and more Western shifted ANE than Mal'ta):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 70.29
2 Americas 17.24
3 West_Asia 11.08
4 South_Asia 1.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Finnish 24.84
2 Latvian 27.87
3 Lithuanian 28.52
4 Russian 28.72
5 Estonian 28.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86% Finnish + 14% Colombian @ 17.13
2 86% Finnish + 14% Karitiana @ 17.13
3 86% Finnish + 14% Surui @ 17.13
4 85.8% Finnish + 14.2% Pima @ 17.36
5 85.8% Finnish + 14.2% Mayan @ 17.41


My own results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 51.23
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 32.36
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 10.95
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.92
5 Sub_Saharan 0.8
6 East_Asian 0.75

Iran Mesolithic:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 53.44
2 Natufian 35.58
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 6.78
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.8
5 Sub_Saharan 1.4

CHG Satsurblia:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 48.8
2 Natufian 41.89
3 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 6.95
4 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 1.65
5 Sub_Saharan 0.71

What calculator are you using?

[Kamal900]

yep.

mine

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 48.22
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 29.52
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 14.16
4 East_Asian 5.4
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.09
6 Sub_Saharan 0.62

# Population (source) Distance

1 Azeri 2.95
2 Adygei 5.05
3 Turkish 6.2
4 Balkar 6.58
5 Kumyk 6.72
6 Iranian 6.94
7 Chechen 6.99
8 Georgian 7.45
9 Iran_N_WC1 7.68
10 Iran_recent 7.86
11 Kurd_C 8.58
12 Lezgin 8.71
13 Assyrian 8.86
14 Armenia_ChL 9.44
15 Jew_Iranian 9.77
16 Jew_iraqi 9.96
17 Kurd_F 10.28
18 Syrian 10.52
19 Druze 10.85
20 Iranian_Mazandarani 10.96

Myresults:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 53.15
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 24.56
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 14.27
4 Sub_Saharan 5.18
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.92


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lebanese @ 2.161097
2 Syrian @ 2.825855
3 Druze @ 3.717687
4 Jordanian @ 4.266538
5 Palestinian @ 4.448138
6 Jew_iraqi @ 7.007350
7 Jew_Iranian @ 7.359747
8 Assyrian @ 7.443008
9 Saudi @ 7.467435
10 Cypriot @ 7.533910
11 BedouinA @ 7.587589
12 Jew_Yemenite @ 8.186652
13 Georgian @ 9.473150
14 Jew_Tunisian @ 10.085657
15 Turkish @ 10.307049
16 Armenia_ChL @ 10.625102
17 Jew_Moroccan @ 11.268370
18 Azeri @ 11.290004
19 Jew_Libyan @ 11.548499
20 Iranian @ 12.097728

https://i.imgur.com/MXaLbQk.gif

[Rethel]

1 NE_Europe 49.96

On Gedmatch has even 3/4 EHG.

[Antimage]

yep.

mine

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 48.22
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 29.52
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 14.16
4 East_Asian 5.4
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.09
6 Sub_Saharan 0.62

# Population (source) Distance

1 Azeri 2.95
2 Adygei 5.05
3 Turkish 6.2
4 Balkar 6.58
5 Kumyk 6.72
6 Iranian 6.94
7 Chechen 6.99
8 Georgian 7.45
9 Iran_N_WC1 7.68
10 Iran_recent 7.86
11 Kurd_C 8.58
12 Lezgin 8.71
13 Assyrian 8.86
14 Armenia_ChL 9.44
15 Jew_Iranian 9.77
16 Jew_iraqi 9.96
17 Kurd_F 10.28
18 Syrian 10.52
19 Druze 10.85
20 Iranian_Mazandarani 10.96

How typical is your east asian admixture to kurds?

[Hadouken]

How typical is your east asian admixture to kurds?

in general not typical

[brechen]

yeah mongols mongols mongols