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simple matter
11-20-2017, 01:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p67mxXirhh8

Would they look out of place in Central, North and Southeast Asia?

zhaoyun
11-20-2017, 01:50 AM
Depends, they have a wide variance. Most would pass more easily in Mainland SE Asia, Myanmar or so. But some can pass in East Asia and some even in Central Asia.

simple matter
11-20-2017, 01:59 AM
Thank you for your reply. The reason I asked is because I am sick and tired of being grouped together with South Asian Indians. In all honesty, I want them to get the hell out of the Northeast, get the hell out of the Himalayas and leave Sikkim, Nepal and Bhutan alone. Nepal is already demographically ruined.

Taiji
11-20-2017, 04:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p67mxXirhh8

Would they look out of place in Central, North and Southeast Asia?

They wouldn't be out of place in China. I consider them family :thumb001:

I mean what's the difference? :wink

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http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/online/2014/10/25/10/00/str2_tapestry2610_onlineonly_xs1.ashx/?w=620&h=413&crop=1&hash=98532E924FA85CE0FEE991429A524E069BB8DCDB
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http://www.virtourist.com/asia/china/lijiang/imatges/03.jpg
http://www.ehabweb.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/080328-167-640x427.jpg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BWW87X/mosuo-girl-wearing-a-colourful-costume-lijiang-yunnan-province-china-BWW87X.jpg
http://www.absolutechinatours.com/UploadFiles/ImageBase/naxi-beauty(2).jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-G1nbCRS6B2s/TtVimAxJr4I/AAAAAAAAErw/cPW_B3BFYB8/s640/FolioMagazineLexLimbu.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Xv1vZxECsmc/UETjWmSvVYI/AAAAAAAAACU/bh-3HJIjGj0/s1600/chabrung.jpg
http://test.sajha.com/sajha/html/images/humor/ACF1E06.jpg
http://www.filmykhabar.com/data/picture/06000600/[email protected] lmykhabar.com.jpg
http://ivisitnepal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/limbu-people-of-nepal.jpg

Absolutely nothing. Besides flags and borders :icon_yes:

Taiji
11-20-2017, 05:34 PM
Thank you for your reply. The reason I asked is because I am sick and tired of being grouped together with South Asian Indians. In all honesty, I want them to get the hell out of the Northeast, get the hell out of the Himalayas and leave Sikkim, Nepal and Bhutan alone. Nepal is already demographically ruined.

I know how you feel.

Serious mode /on
I've always felt a special bond towards ethnic minorities and natives of the world. When I visited Canada, I learned of a special shared history between the Chinese and the First Nations. I was also surprised at the existence of marriages between the different Canadian natives and Chinese. Do note that in Canada and the Northern parts of the US, many native Americans look Asian and completely different from Mexicans. They look like you, like me. It was there that I learned of a tolerance and warmth I never experienced anywhere else. I learned Inuits live in some of the coldest weather but they have a warmth that just radiates and you forget all about the cold. They are not that different from the Chinese of the Northeast. I learned that First Nations Canadians, and almost they alone whole heartedly welcomed and looked forward to Chinese immigrants (it's the thought that counts). Those experiences changed my life completely and I found myself listening to their hearts' cry (and there is a lot). I'll say it now, tomorrow and till the day I die, the First Nations, the Inuit and Canadian Aboriginals are my favorite "native" Canadians bar none.

I promised myself never to talk over an ethnic minority. That's why I never argue with a Tibetan (or any ethnic minority) and tell him/her how he/she should feel. Sure, I might disagree and voice out my perspective but I'd refrain from mocking them.

I have friends from Mizoram (I don't want to call it a part of India as much as you so I won't). I have Chin friends from Myanmar. So I learned that both people are one and the same. These same Mizo/Chin friends told me that their ancestors came from China without a drop of shame that's why we look alike and well, I'm very flattered.
http://www.t2northeastindia.com/includes/images/mizoram_pic2.jpg
Good looking people :laugh:
Very welcoming too. Hope if more of us meet, Chinese can double the hospitality shown.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQCEEo-jQBE

Her nationality is irrelevant to me. I'd buy the worms right there and I won't be a stranger. :laugh:

Either way, it's quite sad how the Indian Government is treating them and I wished the Chinese Government would step in and help out minority siblings around the world.
Sino-Tibetans around the world are suffering and have suffered enough.

paircity
11-20-2017, 05:39 PM
Mostly south east asian.

Taiji
11-20-2017, 05:49 PM
Thank you for your reply. The reason I asked is because I am sick and tired of being grouped together with South Asian Indians. In all honesty, I want them to get the hell out of the Northeast, get the hell out of the Himalayas and leave Sikkim, Nepal and Bhutan alone. Nepal is already demographically ruined.

And now for the moment you were waiting for.

Serious mode /Off

Of course you don't want to be associated with curry munching Indians. You are fundamentally different in the most obvious ways.

You're grouped here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZrb7B5RVn0

They're grouped there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHCaIvPN2rY

Seriously, who on earth wants to be grouped with them? Indians, the only race to come out of a bath 10 times dirtier. :puke

paircity
11-20-2017, 06:08 PM
Either way, it's quite sad how the Indian Government is treating them and I wished the Chinese Government would step in and help out minority siblings around the world.
Sino-Tibetans around the world are suffering and have suffered enough.

There's nothing that can be done realistically for the 7 sister states.

simple matter
11-21-2017, 07:42 AM
I know how you feel.

Serious mode /on
I've always felt a special bond towards ethnic minorities and natives of the world. When I visited Canada, I learned of a special shared history between the Chinese and the First Nations. I was also surprised at the existence of marriages between the different Canadian natives and Chinese. Do note that in Canada and the Northern parts of the US, many native Americans look Asian and completely different from Mexicans. They look like you, like me. It was there that I learned of a tolerance and warmth I never experienced anywhere else. I learned Inuits live in some of the coldest weather but they have a warmth that just radiates and you forget all about the cold. They are not that different from the Chinese of the Northeast. I learned that First Nations Canadians, and almost they alone whole heartedly welcomed and looked forward to Chinese immigrants (it's the thought that counts). Those experiences changed my life completely and I found myself listening to their hearts' cry (and there is a lot). I'll say it now, tomorrow and till the day I die, the First Nations, the Inuit and Canadian Aboriginals are my favorite "native" Canadians bar none.

I promised myself never to talk over an ethnic minority. That's why I never argue with a Tibetan (or any ethnic minority) and tell him/her how he/she should feel. Sure, I might disagree and voice out my perspective but I'd refrain from mocking them.

I have friends from Mizoram (I don't want to call it a part of India as much as you so I won't). I have Chin friends from Myanmar. So I learned that both people are one and the same. These same Mizo/Chin friends told me that their ancestors came from China without a drop of shame that's why we look alike and well, I'm very flattered.
http://www.t2northeastindia.com/includes/images/mizoram_pic2.jpg
Good looking people :laugh:
Very welcoming too. Hope if more of us meet, Chinese can double the hospitality shown.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQCEEo-jQBE

Her nationality is irrelevant to me. I'd buy the worms right there and I won't be a stranger. :laugh:

Either way, it's quite sad how the Indian Government is treating them and I wished the Chinese Government would step in and help out minority siblings around the world.
Sino-Tibetans around the world are suffering and have suffered enough.What do we have here? Taiji differentiating the different races of India. Not the same thing after all?


They wouldn't be out of place in China. I consider them family :thumb001:What does the average Chinese think about Nepalese Mongols? It would be interesting to see some of their view points.

Mingle
11-21-2017, 08:54 PM
Either way, it's quite sad how the Indian Government is treating them and I wished the Chinese Government would step in and help out minority siblings around the world.
Sino-Tibetans around the world are suffering and have suffered enough.

It's a shame they are part of India. They are clearly not Indian and don't want to be part of India. As much as Indians like to whine about colonialism, they wouldn't have inherited Northeast "India" if it weren't for their British masters stealing that land from Myanmar. As for Sikkim, it is only part of India cause of unchecked mass migration from Nepal. Then the Nepalis voted Sikkim out of existence. Bhutan saw this and mass deported Nepalis from Bhutan, but Bhutan is basically a de facto Indian state now.

Taiji
11-22-2017, 05:26 AM
It's a shame they are part of India. They are clearly not Indian and don't want to be part of India. As much as Indians like to whine about colonialism, they wouldn't have inherited Northeast "India" if it weren't for their British masters stealing that land from Myanmar. As for Sikkim, it is only part of India cause of unchecked mass migration from Nepal. Then the Nepalis voted Sikkim out of existence. Bhutan saw this and mass deported Nepalis from Bhutan, but Bhutan is basically a de facto Indian state now.Definitely a shame. I've heard that the Indian Army has a very difficult time fighting the Naga insurgents and the small group of rebels practically received no aid from the rest of the world. I would say you are right about how many don't want to be Indian. I have a friend from Mizoram and she told me that when the Indians took over the region, there were countless atrocities and war crimes in that region. In her village in particular, the Indian Army rounded up the Mizos, and began mass raping the women. She said this with a very defeated tone, I actually felt very sorry for her and her people. I later found out that her village's experiences wasn't unique, the same happened in Nagaland, Manipur, Tripura, etc. The UN also maintains its silence to this very day. It's sickening when I see how well the Chinese treated the Indians when we defeated them in 1962. Not only were the POWs nursed, fed and returned to India, the Chinese cleaned and returned their weapons later.

And you're right that many don't wish to be part of India and would fight for their independence if they had the remotest chance of winning. I've seen many posts suggesting this. Unfortunately such voices are harshly drowned out and severely repressed by "the world's biggest democracy" (what a joke). Atrocities are also committed against Kashmiris and Indian Muslims who should also get their independence IMO. Once again the global MSM is silent about this and that's why I can say the media is very hypocritical because they pick and choose the victims they support.

The OP is from Nepal and from his side of the story, Indians are very racist and mistreat both Northeasterners and Nepalese workers/students in India. His own country, the country of the Rai, the Limbu, Gurung, Sherpa, Bhutia (Tibetan) is a country where the mongoloid natives are losing their culture and genetic makeup as we speak. I completely agree and sympathize with how he feels.

India dominates Bhutan with a vice like grip and like all hypocrites speaks for them. I've met Bhutanese myself and shared a meal with a Bhutanese classmate and they don't have any real hatred of the Chinese as the media depicts. It's all just Indians. In fact, the Doklam issue is almost completely an Indian issue where they used the excuse of "protecting" the Bhutanese from Chinese domination (i.e. building roads on Chinese territory).

BTW thanks for your post on Sikkim. It's a very interesting one and I rarely ever get to see such an informative post on this matter. Learned a lot in those few words.

Taiji
11-22-2017, 05:51 AM
What do we have here? Taiji differentiating the different races of India. Not the same thing after all?Why? Is that really strange? Just because they have 'India' in their nationality and have "compatriots" that I consider garbage doesn't mean I don't relate to them. To me, we have a common ancestor united through blood and language families. The ones I know have accepted me so it's only right I do the same. They're part of my family too. Genetically we are also very similar you know.

You see, Whites aren't the only people with a One Drop Rule. Chinese have it as well. Only difference is as long as you have a drop of Chinese blood, you'll always be welcomed as one of us :laugh:

You're definitely like our ethnic minorities with the same admirable proud in your own culture. You're also very similar to our rural community :laugh:


What does the average Chinese think about Nepalese Mongols? It would be interesting to see some of their view points.Of course opinions are varied and to be brutally honest, Chinese see your people similar to how you see us. Many of us don't know each other well enough to make a judgment (I hope this changes though).

But those that do know have nothing but good things to say about Nepalese people. During the earthquake, the Chinese who knew about it felt great sympathy for the people and students rushed to give donations and support to the people of Nepal.

Here's one opinon from a Chinese student about Limbu people of Nepal: https://sites.google.com/site/suosoniashi/blog/limbuculturevschineseculture

Key points:

Through the story that the girl introduces Limbu culture to the boy, I could definitely see how broad and abundant Limbu culture is, and people love Limbuwan very much. They respect every creation in their land. So the whole land for them is divine.They are proud to introduce their culture to others.They have their unique traditional clothes and decorations. They even wear the clothes daily.In my country, we also have clothes which stand for our culture. But nobody wear those clothes daily. Only the minority area will treasure their costom clothes.In addition, Limbu people also enjoy traditional dancing and singing. They expressed their love to their homeland by songs and body languages.


More importantly:

I love how genuine Limbu people are, and the image in their eyes is really simple and filled with passion of life. That's the quality people live in modern city are missing.

Mingle
11-22-2017, 06:13 AM
Definitely a shame. I've heard that the Indian Army has a very difficult time fighting the Naga insurgents and the small group of rebels practically received no aid from the rest of the world. I would say you are right about how many don't want to be Indian. I have a friend from Mizoram and she told me that when the Indians took over the region, there were countless atrocities and war crimes in that region. In her village in particular, the Indian Army rounded up the Mizos, and began mass raping the women. She said this with a very defeated tone, I actually felt very sorry for her and her people. I later found out that her village's experiences wasn't unique, the same happened in Nagaland, Manipur, Tripura, etc. The UN also maintains its silence to this very day. It's sickening when I see how well the Chinese treated the Indians when we defeated them in 1962. Not only were the POWs nursed, fed and returned to India, the Chinese cleaned and returned their weapons later.

And you're right that many don't wish to be part of India and would fight for their independence if they had the remotest chance of winning. I've seen many posts suggesting this. Unfortunately such voices are harshly drowned out and severely repressed by "the world's biggest democracy" (what a joke). Atrocities are also committed against Kashmiris and Indian Muslims who should also get their independence IMO. Once again the global MSM is silent about this and that's why I can say the media is very hypocritical because they pick and choose the victims they support.

The OP is from Nepal and from his side of the story, Indians are very racist and mistreat both Northeasterners and Nepalese workers/students in India. His own country, the country of the Rai, the Limbu, Gurung, Sherpa, Bhutia (Tibetan) is a country where the mongoloid natives are losing their culture and genetic makeup as we speak. I completely agree and sympathize with how he feels.

India dominates Bhutan with a vice like grip and like all hypocrites speaks for them. I've met Bhutanese myself and shared a meal with a Bhutanese classmate and they don't have any real hatred of the Chinese as the media depicts. It's all just Indians. In fact, the Doklam issue is almost completely an Indian issue where they used the excuse of "protecting" the Bhutanese from Chinese domination (i.e. building roads on Chinese territory).

BTW thanks for your post on Sikkim. It's a very interesting one and I rarely ever get to see such an informative post on this matter. Learned a lot in those few words.

Nowadays, from my experience, many Nepalis also see India as a bully, especially after India put up a blockade on them in 2015 cause Nepal didn't kowtow to some of India's demands regarding what Nepal should put in their constitution when Nepal was writing their constitution, mainly regarding the rights of Madheshis (Nepalis of Indian descent who live in the Terai region of southern Nepal).

Also, in the Indian state of Tripura, the native Tripuri people are a minority in their own land. They're about 17% of the population whereas Bengalis (Indian migrants) are 70%. I recall reading they became a minority in their land in the 60's after India stole their land, but I can't find a source atm to confirm. If true, that's basically genocide.

Also, in Bangladesh, the Chittagong Hill Tracts were originally Sino-Tibetan majority, but then Bengali Muslims Indicized the area after independence from Pakistan via mass migration to the region while also supporting violence and intimidation against them. They are known as the "Jumma people" and should be seen as victims of genocide or at least ethnic cleansing.

In Burma, during the British occupation period, there were a lot of migrants from other parts of British India (Burma was considered part of British India back then). 1826 was the year that Chittagonian Bengalis were transplanted there. They later ended up being trouble makers (the Rohingya genocide stuff the media promotes has a second side to the story). For one, they aren't descended from the original Rohingya people but stole that name for themselves. "Rohang" was actually the old Bengali word for Rakhine (region in Burma). If it weren't for the anti-Indian riots (there were three of them), then Burma may not have separated from India. I can tell you about the details that led up to the riots if you'd like. The reason that modern day NE India didn't stay with Burma after Burma separated was because it was annexed to India and cemented as part of India before the British annexed the rest of Burma.

StonyArabia
11-22-2017, 06:18 AM
I looked at the Nepalese royal family they look very different and seem to be from Indo-Aryan stock rather than Sino-Tibetans, and they seem to intermarry with other Indo-Aryans yet the masses are Sino-Tibetan.

Taiji
11-24-2017, 03:29 AM
Nowadays, from my experience, many Nepalis also see India as a bully, especially after India put up a blockade on them in 2015 cause Nepal didn't kowtow to some of India's demands regarding what Nepal should put in their constitution when Nepal was writing their constitution, mainly regarding the rights of Madheshis (Nepalis of Indian descent who live in the Terai region of southern Nepal).Definitely. Most South Indians, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka ALL have problems with India. In fact, during the Doklam standoff Bhutanese didn't say much but the little they did say seemed to indicate that they felt it was the Indians who were causing trouble. What the Indians don't realize in their overzealous hypocritical "Bhutanese need our protection" bullshit is that Bhutanese would be the biggest losers if India and China battled it out there.

Here are two interesting articles that show that India is the main obstacle between peace between China and the Himalayan kingdoms:
https://thewire.in/156180/bhutan-doklam-border-china/
https://theconversation.com/lessons-from-the-doklam-pass-how-little-bhutan-faced-down-china-over-a-border-dispute-84158

I've heard about the Madhesi issue too and that does highlight the hypocrisy of India messing in the foreign affairs of other sovereign states. As far as I'm concerned, Indians are the last people to talk about other immigrants. India should take back ALL these Madhesis, they should take back all the Rohingya, and so forth.

Earlier this year, a Nepali was killed when Indian border forces opened fire: https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/nepali-killed-indian-border-security-personnel-open-fire-kanchanpur/

Imagine that. Indians killing Nepalis in a border that's closer to Nepal. And they have the nerve to demonize China. In all China's recent border conflicts (in the Himalayan regions particularly), Chinese forces have yet to kill anyone. Of course the MSM and fake Human Rights advocate groups like HRW keep mom on this.

BTW, it's a universal taboo in India to not "support Tibet and Bhutan" and even those that blame India for the 1962 war are adamant that India fought China because of China's occupation of Tibet. The truth is Tibet had very little to do with it, and all the blame could be attributed to Nehru's Forward Policy i.e. India's idiotic belief of a right to rule the region.


Also, in the Indian state of Tripura, the native Tripuri people are a minority in their own land. They're about 17% of the population whereas Bengalis (Indian migrants) are 70%. I recall reading they became a minority in their land in the 60's after India stole their land, but I can't find a source atm to confirm. If true, that's basically genocide.Agreed. A genocide definitely occurred there and in other Northeastern states as well. If not with Bengalis, Indians flood the areas with Bangladeshis, etc. while pretending to side with the native Northeasterners. Manipur is essentially conquered land. Most Northeasterners I know complain that their culture, identities and even race are slowly being eroded, both direct and subtle.

Bollywood is basically forced on them, essentially excluding Northeasterners yet Indians somehow feel threatened when some Northeasterners prefer Korean pop culture.

Ironically, the same thing is happening in the West. Indians take one industry, say gas stations/retail chains, and the next thing you know all the workers are Indian.

BTW, did you know that the Northeast area was intentionally neglected and left undeveloped? And while being bullied, discriminated and heavily outnumbered by scum (almost all Hindus), Northeasterners are over represented in the athletics field. Take the Northeasterners out of the equation and India's Olympics record is even more pathetic.
Also, in Bangladesh, the Chittagong Hill Tracts were originally Sino-Tibetan majority, but then Bengali Muslims Indicized the area after independence from Pakistan via mass migration to the region while also supporting violence and intimidation against them. They are known as the "Jumma people" and should be seen as victims of genocide or at least ethnic cleansing.Yes, I've heard of that too. This is what would happen if the Chinese ever become a minority/lose our power in that area. We'd follow the same fate as our Sino-Tibetan/Burman brothers and sisters: http://unpo.org/article/20271 (rest of the world wouldn't really give a damn either)

When I was young and naive, I actually thought Tibet would have been better off independent and if the reclamation never happened. Now I know there are many sides to this story and an independent Tibet isn't really better off. Too many predatory neighbors in the region.


In Burma, during the British occupation period, there were a lot of migrants from other parts of British India (Burma was considered part of British India back then). 1826 was the year that Chittagonian Bengalis were transplanted there. They later ended up being trouble makers (the Rohingya genocide stuff the media promotes has a second side to the story). For one, they aren't descended from the original Rohingya people but stole that name for themselves. "Rohang" was actually the old Bengali word for Rakhine (region in Burma). If it weren't for the anti-Indian riots (there were three of them), then Burma may not have separated from India. I can tell you about the details that led up to the riots if you'd like. The reason that modern day NE India didn't stay with Burma after Burma separated was because it was annexed to India and cemented as part of India before the British annexed the rest of Burma.This is where my opinions really differ from Zhaoyun. I never really viewed the Rohingyas as legal residents of Myanmar. If you search on the internet, articles are incredibly one sided and detail only "Buddhist atrocities" against Muslims. From memory, buried in all this is the one event that lead to the "genocides" in the first place: http://lamadawphotoat.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/rape-and-murder-victim-thida-htwe.html

I think you're perspective is far more interesting and closer to the truth. The Rohingyas that we're supposed to feel sorry for aren't innocent victims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Rakhine_State_riots#cite_note-30

When Myanmar Buddhists don't want Rohingya Muslims as their neighbors, it's for a very good reason. Conflicts and ethnic cleansings go way back and Rohingyas have committed the bulk of it. During WWII, the British armed the Rohingyas for the purpose of fighting the Japanese. Instead of resisting the Japanese, the Rohingyas used these weapons to terrorize Arakanese villagers.

P.S. I don't deny that the Myanmar (Bamar) army is brutal. In fact, I am not very fond of them, fully aware of the atrocities they commit against groups like the Karen, Kachin, Shan, Chin, Kokang, AKA real victims that the MSM seems to ignore. However, Rohingyas are constantly rioting, very murderous and heavily secessionist.
And that's not even taking racial differences into account. Of course Burmese people would eventually decide to put a stop to this.

Taiji
11-24-2017, 03:41 AM
Two sides to every story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=onK9GAnWXUg
These "victims" are even worse than the Muslim rapists in Europe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4dlHPym9LY

Another case. The man who committed the act:
http://barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/227399_188275374662290_411352607_n.jpg

zhaoyun
11-24-2017, 04:01 AM
They wouldn't be out of place in China. I consider them family :thumb001:

I mean what's the difference? :wink

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2483/3641535506_b33650bd55.jpg?v=0
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/online/2014/10/25/10/00/str2_tapestry2610_onlineonly_xs1.ashx/?w=620&h=413&crop=1&hash=98532E924FA85CE0FEE991429A524E069BB8DCDB
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http://www.virtourist.com/asia/china/lijiang/imatges/03.jpg
http://www.ehabweb.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/080328-167-640x427.jpg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BWW87X/mosuo-girl-wearing-a-colourful-costume-lijiang-yunnan-province-china-BWW87X.jpg
http://www.absolutechinatours.com/UploadFiles/ImageBase/naxi-beauty(2).jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-G1nbCRS6B2s/TtVimAxJr4I/AAAAAAAAErw/cPW_B3BFYB8/s640/FolioMagazineLexLimbu.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Xv1vZxECsmc/UETjWmSvVYI/AAAAAAAAACU/bh-3HJIjGj0/s1600/chabrung.jpg
http://test.sajha.com/sajha/html/images/humor/ACF1E06.jpg
http://www.filmykhabar.com/data/picture/06000600/[email protected] lmykhabar.com.jpg
http://ivisitnepal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/limbu-people-of-nepal.jpg

Absolutely nothing. Besides flags and borders :icon_yes:

Not to mention if they were a part of China, they'd be enjoying far higher living standards now. Probably have massive advanced infrastructure like high speed rail, modern expressways and subways crisscross the region, and the cities filled with gleaming skyscrapers. As minorities, they'd have access to affirmative action type programs too.

Instead now they just get mocked for their features from assholes like Fractal.

zhaoyun
11-24-2017, 04:12 AM
Nowadays, from my experience, many Nepalis also see India as a bully, especially after India put up a blockade on them in 2015 cause Nepal didn't kowtow to some of India's demands regarding what Nepal should put in their constitution when Nepal was writing their constitution, mainly regarding the rights of Madheshis (Nepalis of Indian descent who live in the Terai region of southern Nepal).

Also, in the Indian state of Tripura, the native Tripuri people are a minority in their own land. They're about 17% of the population whereas Bengalis (Indian migrants) are 70%. I recall reading they became a minority in their land in the 60's after India stole their land, but I can't find a source atm to confirm. If true, that's basically genocide.

Also, in Bangladesh, the Chittagong Hill Tracts were originally Sino-Tibetan majority, but then Bengali Muslims Indicized the area after independence from Pakistan via mass migration to the region while also supporting violence and intimidation against them. They are known as the "Jumma people" and should be seen as victims of genocide or at least ethnic cleansing.

In Burma, during the British occupation period, there were a lot of migrants from other parts of British India (Burma was considered part of British India back then). 1826 was the year that Chittagonian Bengalis were transplanted there. They later ended up being trouble makers (the Rohingya genocide stuff the media promotes has a second side to the story). For one, they aren't descended from the original Rohingya people but stole that name for themselves. "Rohang" was actually the old Bengali word for Rakhine (region in Burma). If it weren't for the anti-Indian riots (there were three of them), then Burma may not have separated from India. I can tell you about the details that led up to the riots if you'd like. The reason that modern day NE India didn't stay with Burma after Burma separated was because it was annexed to India and cemented as part of India before the British annexed the rest of Burma.

How the fuck are you so knowledgeable? I swear to god you're like a human encyclopedia.

Taiji
11-24-2017, 04:16 AM
Yeah, I really wished China stepped in and pressured India to stop mistreating them. Some of my friends suggested threatening India through military force.

Evil China mistreating the ethnic minorities! Han Chinese take all the jobs and opportunities! Ethnic minorities have no important posts in government and military! All extremely one-sided and overused catch phrases we hear ad nauseam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6i3SFOcZP0&t=2s
In the video above, the government official is an ethnic Tibetan and she clearly cares about Tibetans far more than all the rights activists (who can't even be bothered to leave the internet). Thus all those myths from China Uncensored are confirmed fake news :thumb001:

Honestly, I sometimes feel that China is the only country where the majority sees the minority as their equals or even better than themselves, never ever focuses on their racial differences, where there is none of the "us vs them" mindset like everywhere else in the world.

Now compare to India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJHVP0diQw0&t=1s

The words Indians and civilized couldn't be further a part.

zhaoyun
11-24-2017, 04:21 AM
Yeah, I really wished China stepped in and pressured India to stop mistreating them. Some of my friends suggested threatening India through military force.

Evil China mistreating the ethnic minorities! Han Chinese take all the jobs and opportunities! Ethnic minorities have no important posts in government and military! All extremely one-sided and overused catch phrases we hear ad nauseam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6i3SFOcZP0&t=2s
In the video above, the government official is an ethnic Tibetan and she clearly cares about Tibetans far more than all the rights activists (who can't even be bothered to leave the internet). Thus all those myths from China Uncensored are confirmed fake news :thumb001:

Honestly, I sometimes feel that China is the only country where the majority sees the minority as their equals or even better than themselves, never ever focuses on their racial differences, where there is none of the "us vs them" mindset like everywhere else in the world.

Now compare to India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJHVP0diQw0&t=1s

The words Indians and civilized couldn't be further a part.

China has some issues with the treatment of minorities too, the worst is probably Xinjiang which has a very heavy security presence, of course, this is also because of terrorism and the fact that Uighurs do commit higher crime than other ethnic groups. Contrary to the Western media, there are not close to the amount of tensions with Tibetans. China has spent massive amounts of money in developing these regions however and improving the infrastructure and standard of living.

As for the other ethnic minorities, they are pretty much assimilated more or less. I think the main reason why China has been very successful in assimilating different groups is because Han Chinese themselves are very diverse, so they are accustomed to cultural differences within the Chinese identity. Take for example the ethnic Koreans in NE China, they pretty much consider themselves Chinese first, as opposed to the ones in Japan who have been heavily discriminated for generations.

Taiji
11-24-2017, 04:27 AM
How the fuck are you so knowledgeable? I swear to god you're like a human encyclopedia.Iknorite? I'm actually super impressed. Definitely one of the most informative posters here or anywhere else.

Taiji
11-24-2017, 04:54 AM
China has some issues with the treatment of minorities too, the worst is probably Xinjiang which has a very heavy security presence, of course, this is also because of terrorism and the fact that Uighurs do commit higher crime than other ethnic groups. Contrary to the Western media, there are not close to the amount of tensions with Tibetans. China has spent massive amounts of money in developing these regions however and improving the infrastructure and standard of living.

As for the other ethnic minorities, they are pretty much assimilated more or less. I think the main reason why China has been very successful in assimilating different groups is because Han Chinese themselves are very diverse, so they are accustomed to cultural differences within the Chinese identity. Take for example the ethnic Koreans in NE China, they pretty much consider themselves Chinese first, as opposed to the ones in Japan who have been heavily discriminated for generations.I can agree with you that there are segments of ethnic minorities (perhaps even large segments) that are unhappy and that Xinjiang is far less integrated than Tibet. And there are some Chinese who can be very bigoted, especially towards Muslim minorities and migrants workers from Henan and Hebei for instance. I also know that there are Tibetans and Uighurs who do feel grievances with the Chinese government. I think it's important to listen to their side of the story and not snub them off.

But sometimes I do feel that the over emphasis on these differences as reported by certain interest groups is far from constructive and comes with their own hidden agendas. They never ever focus on the positives, nor suggest any solutions. They also seem to very happily tolerate the plight of minorities in other countries where the oppression is of magnitudes worse. We've heard of the "Rohingya genocide" constantly but when was the last time you heard of the plight of the Karen for instance? And could you remember how the Kokang were treated by the media?

Of course China is a civilization state and the concept of races and ethnic purity never existed in China until the 1911 revolution. I can guarantee you that while China took in Korean and Vietnamese refugees and they became Chinese eventually while being allowed to keep their culture and open vernacular schools with no objection. Chinese would never be treated the same way in Korea or Vietnam.

Indians on the other hand are a joke. The racism in India is very real and intense. Notice how Starshitizen and Fractal are constantly making disparaging, offensive statements about other ethnics yet are quickest to play the role of victim? They act like defenders of some sacred culture that was wronged by others :laugh:

Mingle
11-24-2017, 11:02 PM
But sometimes I do feel that the over emphasis on these differences as reported by certain interest groups is far from constructive and comes with their own hidden agendas. They never ever focus on the positives, nor suggest any solutions. They also seem to very happily tolerate the plight of minorities in other countries where the oppression is of magnitudes worse. We've heard of the "Rohingya genocide" constantly but when was the last time you heard of the plight of the Karen for instance? And could you remember how the Kokang were treated by the media?

Yep. The Rohingya violence was started after a Rakhine woman was raped. There is so much misinformation in the media, it's ridiculous. In addition to using British weapons on the Rakhines, the illegal Rohingya migrants tried to divide Burma and give northwest Rakhine to East Pakistan when Pakistan was being created in 1947.

In May 1946, Muslim leaders from Arakan, Burma (present-day Rakhine State, Myanmar) met with Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and asked for the formal annexation of two townships in the Mayu region, Buthidaung and Maungdaw, by East Pakistan (present-day Bangladesh). Two months later, the North Arakan Muslim League was founded in Akyab (present-day Sittwe, capital of Rakhine State), which also asked Jinnah to annex the region.[63] Jinnah refused, saying he could not interfere with Burma's internal matters. After Jinnah's refusal, proposals were made by Muslims in Arakan to the newly formed post-independence government of Burma, asking for the concession of the two townships to Pakistan. The proposals were rejected by the Burmese parliament.[64]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Western_Myanmar

They have been at the necks of Rakhine Buddhists for ages. It isn't part of some Muslim persecution. Also, the conflict isn't even religious in nature. The Panthay (Hui) Muslims and Kamein Muslims and Myedu Muslims of Myanmar are nicely assimilated and never cause problems. It's only one specific separatist sectarian migrant community that does. The Kamein Muslims are also of Bengali descent and were invited by the Kingdom of Mrauk U. Mrauk U was the name of the Rakhine Kingdom in the past and is responsible for why Rakhine people have a somewhat distinguished identity and aren't considered ethnic Burmese, it's similar to Laos people who don't consider themselves Thais even though they speak the same dialect as people from Isan. Mrauk U was called "Mrohaung" and is where the name Rohingya comes from. Sometimes, dishonest people use them as an example to say that the modern day "Rohingyas" have been there since ancient times. Myedu Muslims are descended from Muslim POWs and Panthay Muslims are descended from Hui Chinese migrants. None of these communities cause any problem. Unfortunately, the Rohingya vs Rakhine conflict got turned into a Muslim vs Buddhist issue so some of those other Muslim ethnic groups got caught in the crossfire, but they are otherwise pretty safe, have citizenship, and don't face persecution.

The conflict could be solved if there is a strong effort in the Rohingya community to assimilate or if Bangladesh takes back their people.

Tbf, the Karen situation is a bit different.

Also, it's interesting how the Western media brings Muslim conflicts in China (Uyghurs) and Myanmar (Rohingyas) constantly trying to portray them as victims, but does the opposite in the Philippines where they are portrayed as terrorists. The whole conflict in the Philippines happened because Mindanao was illegally annexed (in violation of the Bates Treaty signed by the US) and then swarmed with [mostly Visayan and some Luzonian] Catholic colonialists and their terrorist Catholic hit squads known as "ilagas".

Also, regarding the Uyghurs, they are somewhat similar to the Rohingyas in using a false name. That name was given to the Turks of Xinjiang by the Soviets in a conference in Tashkent in 1921 and before that they were called generic "Turki" (Turk) or sometimes "Taranchi" (Tarimian) or "Musulman" (Muslim). It was given by the Soviets to legitimize Turkic separatists so that they could divide China and is still in use to this day. The real Uyghurs still exist though and are called Yugur and still practice Buddhism. They live in Gansu and speak a Siberian Turkic language.

Mingle
11-24-2017, 11:13 PM
How the fuck are you so knowledgeable? I swear to god you're like a human encyclopedia.

I wish I'd spend as much time on my college studies as I do reading random history/trivia xD

Taiji
11-26-2017, 09:01 AM
Yep. The Rohingya violence was started after a Rakhine woman was raped. There is so much misinformation in the media, it's ridiculous. In addition to using British weapons on the Rakhines, the illegal Rohingya migrants tried to divide Burma and give northwest Rakhine to East Pakistan when Pakistan was being created in 1947.

In May 1946, Muslim leaders from Arakan, Burma (present-day Rakhine State, Myanmar) met with Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and asked for the formal annexation of two townships in the Mayu region, Buthidaung and Maungdaw, by East Pakistan (present-day Bangladesh). Two months later, the North Arakan Muslim League was founded in Akyab (present-day Sittwe, capital of Rakhine State), which also asked Jinnah to annex the region.[63] Jinnah refused, saying he could not interfere with Burma's internal matters. After Jinnah's refusal, proposals were made by Muslims in Arakan to the newly formed post-independence government of Burma, asking for the concession of the two townships to Pakistan. The proposals were rejected by the Burmese parliament.[64]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Western_MyanmarCorrect. Plenty of the photographic evidence of "Buddhists burning and killing Rohingyas" are photos of events in other countries. It's sensationalism usually started by someone misrepresenting information and becoming viral. There's one Chinese equivalent to it, the photo of a Chinese woman being beheaded by a Japanese sword while carrying a child (the photo is a fake but of course it's enough to outrage many due to the historical reasons behind it). However, in the case of the Japanese invasion of China, the Japanese were killing Chinese on Chinese soil. In the case of the Rohingyas, the Buddhists are actually expelling the invaders from their soil. So any Chinese who knows the full story shouldn't be so quick to support the Rohingyas.

Also that case where the Buddhist woman was raped and murdered by Muslims has become lost on the internet. if I tried to look for that information today I wouldn't find it. Instead a google search only yields results of Buddhists raping and killing Rohingya Muslims. But looking at the refugees, many look quite fit and healthy. I've seen the images of the Kachin, Kokang, Chin refugees and IDPs and many actually sustain injuries including bruisings and fractures from beatings, bullet injuries, missing limbs from landmines planted by the Burmese army. Brutalized Rohingya refugees sustain no such injuries. To me the Rohingya are clearly lying and exaggerating their ordeals.


They have been at the necks of Rakhine Buddhists for ages. It isn't part of some Muslim persecution. Also, the conflict isn't even religious in nature. The Panthay (Hui) Muslims and Kamein Muslims and Myedu Muslims of Myanmar are nicely assimilated and never cause problems. It's only one specific separatist sectarian migrant community that does. The Kamein Muslims are also of Bengali descent and were invited by the Kingdom of Mrauk U. Mrauk U was the name of the Rakhine Kingdom in the past and is responsible for why Rakhine people have a somewhat distinguished identity and aren't considered ethnic Burmese, it's similar to Laos people who don't consider themselves Thais even though they speak the same dialect as people from Isan. Mrauk U was called "Mrohaung" and is where the name Rohingya comes from. Sometimes, dishonest people use them as an example to say that the modern day "Rohingyas" have been there since ancient times. Myedu Muslims are descended from Muslim POWs and Panthay Muslims are descended from Hui Chinese migrants. None of these communities cause any problem. Unfortunately, the Rohingya vs Rakhine conflict got turned into a Muslim vs Buddhist issue so some of those other Muslim ethnic groups got caught in the crossfire, but they are otherwise pretty safe, have citizenship, and don't face persecution.Wow, this is quite an enlightening read. Never knew of that before.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/67354000/jpg/_67354744_154146214(1).jpg
It makes this monk’s protest much more understandable and provides the historical context to it. So it would seem that the Rohingyas have always been trouble makers and separatists (quite similar to the ETIM in China) while being agents of a foreign country/entity. Literal fifth columns. In the old days, this would be considered treason and it would be reasonable to extinguish the whole group who did this. That's what happened to the Dzungars who were the residents of Xinjiang before the Uighurs moved in.

I've noticed that in many countries, it's usually a Muslim group pushing for secession, often using a form of populism (victimhood status) to enrage the masses.


The conflict could be solved if there is a strong effort in the Rohingya community to assimilate or if Bangladesh takes back their people.Agreed. Although I feel that the Rohingyas have too often acted against the interest of Myanmar to ever truly be accepted. Unless they acknowledge their own history of persecuting the native Arakanese and Rakhine and make amends, I feel such assimilations aren't going to be genuine. I'm in favor of the latter solution, and if there are too many, India has an obligation to take the rest back. Too much sh*t literally flows out from India.


Tbf, the Karen situation is a bit different.Indeed. Starting with the fact the Karen are natives of the region, much more so than the Bamar.


Also, it's interesting how the Western media brings Muslim conflicts in China (Uyghurs) and Myanmar (Rohingyas) constantly trying to portray them as victims, but does the opposite in the Philippines where they are portrayed as terrorists. The whole conflict in the Philippines happened because Mindanao was illegally annexed (in violation of the Bates Treaty signed by the US) and then swarmed with [mostly Visayan and some Luzonian] Catholic colonialists and their terrorist Catholic hit squads known as "ilagas".It's hypocrisy and the support of Uighurs and Rohingyas comes with the agenda of weakening both China and Myanmar. That's why the Western media hardly ever brings up the genocides and ethnic abuse in India and Kachin State in Myanmar. The latter could provide a future flashpoint for conflict between China and Myanmar, so the Neocon agenda is to let the tensions fester.

The Philippines is a very good example since we only know it as a peaceful country, and not for the ethnic and religious violence raging inside. It’s in their interest to keep China’s neighbors as hostile against China as possible while attacking friendly states like Thailand and Cambodia.

Thediplomat (just another RadiofreeAsia, a very pretentious medium) is one of the best sources when it comes to uncovering this geopolitical strategy. Their disappointment when most of the ASEAN countries decided against a confrontational stance on China in the SCS was palpable. I’d say Duterte was a turning point for the Philippines and thank goodness for that. A similar tactic was used against Russia, we all know the reasons behind conflict in the Balkans.


Also, regarding the Uyghurs, they are somewhat similar to the Rohingyas in using a false name. That name was given to the Turks of Xinjiang by the Soviets in a conference in Tashkent in 1921 and before that they were called generic "Turki" (Turk) or sometimes "Taranchi" (Tarimian) or "Musulman" (Muslim). It was given by the Soviets to legitimize Turkic separatists so that they could divide China and is still in use to this day. The real Uyghurs still exist though and are called Yugur and still practice Buddhism. They live in Gansu and speak a Siberian Turkic language.Very good facts and historical background. That there are more than 20 ethnic minorities there proves that this area changed hands so often, that most groups living there can consider themselves “native”. Modern day Uighurs themselves only came to the area in the 9th century. And only in the Southern part. They moved to the North after the previous occupants, the Oirat Mongols, Dzungar were wiped out of the area.

The name Xinjiang is also misleading. It was originally called Xiyu and was controlled by Han dynasty more than 2000 years ago. The original inhabitants were probably an Iranic type people known as Yuezhi who were later conquered by the Xiongnu.

Of course, the mainstream “non-chinese” view is that the modern day Uighurs are the original owners of the land even if many of them might not even be from that region. It’s quite baffling because it seems to suggest that only Uighurs have a right to be there, while ignoring all other ethnic groups there.
Uighurs and the ETIM are grouped as one; and all Uighurs are portrayed as noble freedom fighters disregarding those that are in fact happy to be in the PRC. Also, they go to great lengths to justify and rebrand acts of terrorism committed by this group. In the 2009 Riots, the Han are the racist villains yet most of the killings were committed by the rioters who uttered genocidal slogans attempting to purge Xinjiang of ALL non Uighurs. Also during tensions in 2008 and beyond, majority of the police officers and civil servants killed are in fact ethnic Uighurs.

Much is said about democracy and universal suffrage, yet why is it that only the side of the separatists are portrayed? Why are the positive developments of the central government to this area ignored? Why are the Uighurs who are actually happy Chinese citizens left out? And what about the other ethnic minorities there?

Taiji
11-26-2017, 09:37 AM
I wish I'd spend as much time on my college studies as I do reading random history/trivia xDThat's good for us to have a walking encyclopedia among us, not so good for you :p

Anyways, here are the latest developments: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-rohingya/myanmar-bangladesh-ink-rohingya-return-deal-amid-concern-over-armys-role-idUSKBN1DN0HA

Myanmar finally succumbs to international pressure. Apparently, everyone but Trans Himalayans have a right to deport invaders, terrorists and foreign separatists from their countries. The world only cares when it is China "oppressing" Tibetans, doesn't give a hoot when Trans Himalayans are being massacred and displaced by non Mongoloids. In fact, they even assist in the slaughter. The UN, UNHCR and HRW are just anti Mongoloid, more so than anyone else.

Many Trans Himalayan speakers exist as marginalized, isolated groups and are quickly disappearing as we speak, many being replaced by Indics. Currently there are 400 Trans Himalayan speakers but many are disappearing fast. Favoritism always works against us because we probably look like aliens and speak an otherworldly language :laugh:

The world has chosen this:
https://www.sarisafari.com/images/sisters/sarigirls.jpg

Over this:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-07b878bd5debdd501d9ec04e5157b6d4

solaris
11-26-2017, 09:55 AM
Depends, they have a wide variance. Most would pass more easily in Mainland SE Asia, Myanmar or so. But some can pass in East Asia and some even in Central Asia.

+ latin america.

simple matter
12-06-2017, 06:40 AM
Yeah, I really wished China stepped in and pressured India to stop mistreating them. Some of my friends suggested threatening India through military force.

Honestly, I sometimes feel that China is the only country where the majority sees the minority as their equals or even better than themselves, never ever focuses on their racial differences, where there is none of the "us vs them" mindset like everywhere else in the world.

Now compare to India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJHVP0diQw0&t=1s

The words Indians and civilized couldn't be further a part.Northeasterners cannot even enjoy a friendly soccer match without disturbances from these uncivilised idiots. NorthEastUnited Fans suffering the Chennaiyin FC fools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1KXuU7MeOE


Why? Is that really strange? Just because they have 'India' in their nationality and have "compatriots" that I consider garbage doesn't mean I don't relate to them. To me, we have a common ancestor united through blood and language families. The ones I know have accepted me so it's only right I do the same. They're part of my family too. Genetically we are also very similar you know.

You see, Whites aren't the only people with a One Drop Rule. Chinese have it as well. Only difference is as long as you have a drop of Chinese blood, you'll always be welcomed as one of us :laugh:

You're definitely like our ethnic minorities with the same admirable proud in your own culture. You're also very similar to our rural community :laugh:

Of course opinions are varied and to be brutally honest, Chinese see your people similar to how you see us. Many of us don't know each other well enough to make a judgment (I hope this changes though).

But those that do know have nothing but good things to say about Nepalese people. During the earthquake, the Chinese who knew about it felt great sympathy for the people and students rushed to give donations and support to the people of Nepal.Thank you. That is heartening to hear. I have always wondered how is the rural Chinese community like. I have also wondered when are you going to visit Nepal.

On a lighter side of things, here is a beautiful performance by a Naga girl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5by-WqxIOXE

Now I am not sure what your taste in music is. Just that you enjoy music. Hope it brightened your day, Mr. Taiji.

wvwvw
12-06-2017, 06:47 AM
How the fuck are you so knowledgeable? I swear to god you're like a human encyclopedia.

He has been re-incarnated many times throughout the ages.

Вavhat
12-07-2017, 02:19 PM
This thread filled with anti-India comments and bias. Here is what actual Northeast Indians think about India:


We northeast people are Indian souls. We love our country and countrymen. We equally respect our national flag and national anthem. Everyone memorize and sing our national anthem and fly flags. We attend our national festivals, participate and march in parade with pride.

Our northeast is a meeting place of various religions each having different opinions and beliefs. We have customs and traditions unique and they are widely accepted and passed down from generation to generation. We celebrate religious festivals Diwali, Holi, Christmas, Eid etc together. We enjoy watching cricket, football match and support our Indian team and celebrate victory. We also maintain unity in diversity.

Languages used by us are equally sweet, impressive and expressive. Our rich culture and literary works have reached national levels. We have dedicated and committed approach .We try to be environment friendly and we learned from Swach Bharat campaign. People donate blood to hospitals but still there is blood shortage. We also aim global brotherhood. People participate in voting and I voted for the first time this year and believe that it has impact on making our country better. We have outstanding zeal to bring out the best and take part in Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam’s vision and mission of Developed India and support Modi Ji’s idea of changing our mindset to bring Acche Din. From mythological days and freedom movement we have been a part of national mainstream.

There are many false beliefs about North East. Do you know Hindi? People will always ask us. We know Hindi and English.Yes there are tribal communities, everyone is not. Our food habits may be different, not a denying fact. Every state has its own special cuisine. But we don’t live in forest and we don’t like being called backwards, chinki and other terms. We have institutes of national importance and good colleges and it should be increased to good number. Here students are talented and hardworking and many students from different parts of the country come to study. They like to talk and share ideas with us and like our simplicity.

Reality picture of equality is different. People don’t get equal opportunities. It depends on economic, social, decision making of government and its integration in development. People have diverse interest and we are all unique. At first I am Indian, Assamese because I am born and brought up in Assam, Bodo girl speaking Bodo and Assamese from my early childhood. And I am proud of my identity. Assam is the main economic power of Northeast. If you are Indian you should know about Northeast. It is a ‘Little Paradise on Earth’.

The Iron man of India (Sardar Vallabhai Patel) was so touched by the beauty of Meghalaya said “Your land is a land for gods to live in. Its air, its natural scenery, its pure atmosphere, its sweet water would attract even god”.

The National Flag was first unfurled on Indian soil at Moirang in Manipur in April 1944 by the Indian National Army led by Subhash Chandra Bose. This is a moment of pride for us.


I think real India lives in the places where we have preserved the our local culture and our way of life not the cities where life is westernized. Real India is North East ( or any distant part of our country) where nature is still preserved, we respect our elders and live a life in community supporting each other.

We all are tribes of this beautiful land. Of course we have forgotten who we are and how our old generation lived with nature. This is greed which is converting us all, making us fight each other and causing pain to ourselves.

https://www.quora.com/What-do-Northeast-Indians-think-about-rest-of-the-country

Taiji
12-09-2017, 12:26 PM
This thread filled with anti-India comments and bias. Here is what actual Northeast Indians think about India:
https://www.quora.com/What-do-Northeast-Indians-think-about-rest-of-the-countryQuora? You mean that bastion of Indian nationalists where any opinion that's not of the preference of Indians gets thumbed down and moderated to oblivion? :laugh:

Even on a site where people who aren't at all supportive of India are attacked non-stop has opinions such as this: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-North-East-people-want-to-seperate-from-India


If you ask me, yes, I want to be independent from India.

I am from Tripura, Northeast India. As you see, we native people in northeast India have nothing in common with Indians from other places. My skin is lighter than them, I have slanted eyes, my language is Bodo which is a Sino-Tibetan language and it’s nothing similar to Hindi, an Indo-European language. I have far more in common with the Chinese if you ask me.

This is what we look like,
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ce25ac962d100cdcfc8b2de212f8d323.webp
What happened is, the government of India sent many immigrants from other provinces to Northeast India. Most people here are not natives anymore. As a result, if you do an election in Northeast India whether we want to be independent or not, the result would be to stay with India. But if you ask me and people from my ethnicity, we all want to separate and build our own country.

Growing up, I have been discriminated by Indians. People called me chinky, make fun of my facial features. I am treated as a second class citizen in my own country. Someone also wanted to fight me out of nowhere when I was in Delhi, and he told me to go back to China when I was walking with my girlfriend because he was jealous, he thought I was a foreigner.

I am certain that if you ask any Northeast Indian who are natives, meaning that they speak a Sino-Tibetan language, have slanted eyes and lighter skin color, they would want to be independent. We all have been a victim of racism at some point in India.



Downvoted answer here: https://www.quora.com/Does-India-deserve-Northeast


Calling the NE people as "Chinky" (i.e. foreigner) says it all. Imposing AFSPA and curtailing the right to life in NE says it all. Divide-and-rule policy of the Government of India says it all.

India does not deserve the Northeast at all.

India used the military hardwire left behind by the outgoing British to invade and colonize the NE. This NE colony of India is maintained till today through an army of AFSPA-empowered rapists.

This says it all.

Oh and finally, here's a Naga girl's message entitled "Dear India". BTW, this is what's really in their hearts. Don't think for one minute Northeasterners wouldn't fight for their independence and suceed the minute they get their chance. With the help of a stronger power of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44bRDSWLjs

EDIT: The anonymous poster basically confirms what Mingle was saying about Tripura earlier. Some actual cultural and ethnic genocide going on there.

Taiji
12-09-2017, 12:37 PM
Northeasterners cannot even enjoy a friendly soccer match without disturbances from these uncivilised idiots. NorthEastUnited Fans suffering the Chennaiyin FC fools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1KXuU7MeOEJust what is it with insecure Indian males and the need to gang up while hitting on girls? Is this their mating strategy or what? That cowardly curry animal truly knows how to pick his victims choosing a few random girls where he knows he's safe to flap his arms like a chicken with the backing of Indians all over the place.

Luckily for him I wasn't there. I'd kick him off the stage. The Hindu Dindu will quickly go from doing the monkey dance to doing the falling dance :laugh:

Taiji
12-09-2017, 05:20 PM
Thank you. That is heartening to hear. I have always wondered how is the rural Chinese community like. I have also wondered when are you going to visit Nepal.Some day. Not this trip but definitely some day. The Chinese rural community? Do you mean the absolute poorest in the rural regions?

For some, it's like this (Yi children harvesting kelp):http://gongyi.qq.com/original/exist/lostincoast.html

Looking like home yet? :laugh:

https://www.iamo.de/fileadmin/_processed_/0/5/csm_DSC_0398_342__Large__China_Jerry_87fc2bfba0.jp g


On a lighter side of things, here is a beautiful performance by a Naga girl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5by-WqxIOXE

Now I am not sure what your taste in music is. Just that you enjoy music. Hope it brightened your day, Mr. Taiji.Wow, that was mesmerizing. I've noticed something about Sino-Tibetan/Burman people, singing comes naturally to our race more than other populations except perhaps Italians and Slavics. My guess is it's because we have ancestry from the high mountains so our lungs are especially adapted to sing. And it helps that many actually enjoy it, even among the old uncles and aunties, singing is a very popular tradition among Chinese (including all the minorities).

Either way I'm sure she made her fellow Nagas very proud.

BTW, that sort of music is one of my favorites and coincidentally this is one of my favorite songs. Very meaningful lyrics about poverty every one of us can relate to. Makes me appreciate mom more (used to be a snotty, ungrateful kid but matured to see the bigger picture).

Taiji = very happy man today.

Taiji
05-24-2018, 06:58 AM
Not northeast indian, native bangladeshi or nepalese but still a sino-tibeto-burman sibling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsN3E6Z8b0

It's mesmerizing, her voice only makes the message even clearer. I don't understand it, but it truly is one of the most beautiful languages I heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onsm9hk7H6c

Yaglakar
05-24-2018, 01:15 PM
It makes this monk’s protest much more understandable and provides the historical context to it. So it would seem that the Rohingyas have always been trouble makers and separatists (quite similar to the ETIM in China) while being agents of a foreign country/entity. Literal fifth columns. In the old days, this would be considered treason and it would be reasonable to extinguish the whole group who did this. That's what happened to the Dzungars who were the residents of Xinjiang before the Uighurs moved in.

What is this mysterious ETIM that comprises of several hundred members at most. A few hundred men pose any sort of threat to China?


Very good facts and historical background. That there are more than 20 ethnic minorities there proves that this area changed hands so often, that most groups living there can consider themselves “native”. Modern day Uighurs themselves only came to the area in the 9th century. And only in the Southern part. They moved to the North after the previous occupants, the Oirat Mongols, Dzungar were wiped out of the area.

The name Xinjiang is also misleading. It was originally called Xiyu and was controlled by Han dynasty more than 2000 years ago. The original inhabitants were probably an Iranic type people known as Yuezhi who were later conquered by the Xiongnu.

Of course, the mainstream “non-chinese” view is that the modern day Uighurs are the original owners of the land even if many of them might not even be from that region. It’s quite baffling because it seems to suggest that only Uighurs have a right to be there, while ignoring all other ethnic groups there.
Uighurs and the ETIM are grouped as one; and all Uighurs are portrayed as noble freedom fighters disregarding those that are in fact happy to be in the PRC. Also, they go to great lengths to justify and rebrand acts of terrorism committed by this group. In the 2009 Riots, the Han are the racist villains yet most of the killings were committed by the rioters who uttered genocidal slogans attempting to purge Xinjiang of ALL non Uighurs. Also during tensions in 2008 and beyond, majority of the police officers and civil servants killed are in fact ethnic Uighurs.

It seems you take delight in some Pashtun guy flattering and nodding to everything you say. But folk-history on your and his part needs to addressed, nevertheless.

1. Uyghurs were not given a "false" aka misnomer name. Ethnic consciousness (European concept) began to grow around late 19th century and by early 20th century under the influence of northern Uyghurs, and the old ethnonym was restored. Everything else is speculation and Mingle must provide us an actual order by Soviet Union to start calling inhabitants of Xinjiang as "Uyghurs".

2. Fact number 1, we descend largely from Toquz Oghuz/Old Uighur tribes who lived in Mongolia and NORTHERN XINJIANG/DZUNGARIA. Northern Xinjiang steppe zone has been home various ancient Turkic groups, including the Xiongnu, and probably old Türks who were forcibly moved from Qocho (Gaochang) area to Altai mountains to work as iron smiths. But more importantly northern Xinjiang is home to Toquz Oghuz/Old Uighurs in the later periods. When Uighur Khaganate (by the way those guys were allies of Tang China) collapsed a large portion of tribes migrated to what was in fact was their own land aka Northern Xinjiang. After defeating Tibetans who administered south Tarim Basin, they moved to southern portions as well intermixing with local settled Sakas, Sogdians, Karluks and Yaghma (another Toquz Oghuz tribe).

2. Han Chinese control of Tarim Basin/Xinjiang was always nominal. Xinjiang comprised of semi-independent vassal states/city-states of Indo-Europeans or independent Turkic tribes in Dzungaria. Following the collapse of Uighur Khaganate, old Uighurs established Qocho Kingdom. "Uyghur" started bearing a mark of citizenship and belonging to the state rather than ethnic composition. Qocho Uyghurs did not have to "Turkify" anything because Indo-European languages disappeared 2 centuries prior. People like Tocharians switched to Turkic long ago, but were absorbed into Qocho Uighurs. The same thing happened to Chinese settlers in northern Xinjiang who were there since Han times. They all became Uyghurs. How can Chinese folk-history lay claim to Xinjiang, if those Chinese became Uighurs and identified so. All of the above is recorded. Fortunately our history is rich in documentation and records of our own making.

3. Oirats displaced descendants of Qocho Uighurs around 16th century in Dzungaria, in mid 18th century they were slaughtered by Qing dynasty and northern Uyghurs who were their allies at the time. Following the genocide, Han Chinese began to mass migrate to Dzungaria and its vicinities. The area however has long history of Uighur settlement and city building. Beshbaliq (close to Urumchi) was the summer capital of Qocho Uighurs.

4. Germany has several tens of large various "minorities" from EU and elsewhere. Is it not Germany now? According to you it is not German land because various "minorities" reside within. Very weak argument if you ask me.

Late Uighur Khaganate:

https://i.imgur.com/u75EXZi.png

Early Qocho (Gaochang) Uighurs:

https://i.imgur.com/rpLjfu1.png

Stable borders right up to allying with Genghis Khan:

https://i.imgur.com/A9cvFmq.png

Taiji
05-25-2018, 08:55 AM
What is this mysterious ETIM that comprises of several hundred members at most. A few hundred men pose any sort of threat to China? They're a terrorist organization. They threaten the lives of chinese citizens of all ethnic backgrounds.


1. Uyghurs were not given a "false" aka misnomer name. Ethnic consciousness (European concept) began to grow around late 19th century and by early 20th century under the influence of northern Uyghurs, and the old ethnonym was restored. Everything else is speculation and Mingle must provide us an actual order by Soviet Union to start calling inhabitants of Xinjiang as "Uyghurs". Well, apparently the descendents of the original Uyghur Khaganate are called yugur now. Actually I learned that from Mingle. It was interesting to me that modern day uighurs are like rohingyas today and something I didn't know about this. I did hear that some of today's uighurs settled in today's Xinjiang as their ancestors tried to flee purges and persecutions from other turkic and mongolic groups.

When the Han Dynasty established the region as Xiyu, they noted that the 'native' inhabitants were the yuezhi, who were being attacked by the xiongnu in the northeast. This site was a later battleground between the Han Dynasty and xiongnu. All this predates the Uyghur Khaganate to my knowledge.


Germany has several tens of large various "minorities" from EU and elsewhere. Is it not Germany now? According to you it is not German land because various "minorities" reside within. Very weak argument if you ask me. The difference is that those minorities do not hold any ancestral heritage to those lands and are mostly recent immigrants. The minorities in Xinjiang (uighurs, kazaks, tajiks, hui, han, mongols, manchus, xibe, tatar, daur) all had ancestors who either controlled/formed the majority in the region at some period of time.

A more comparable analogy would be the descendants of swabians, visigoths, franks and vandals all natives to Germany.

BTW, this is the map of the Eastern Han Dynasty. As you can see, it overlapped with the xiongnu territory
https://i.imgur.com/8XDrYBx.jpg

You can disregard some of my more condescending posts. In hindsight, it was quite moronic of me.

Now I'm not challenging your right to call yourselves native to Xinjiang or East Turkestan (if that is how you feel about the region). I just don't like how all uighurs are labeled under the ETIM label according to most foreign media I read. Somehow all uighurs are ETIM members/terrorists (sympathizers) according to the media yet my friends from Xinjiang tell me that in reality most uighurs are peaceful people and have a very positive opinion of them (they're han). To be honest, I've met a few now and they're nothing like the knife wielding thug stereotypes that I've now commonly come across on the chinese internet (yeah sucks, really come to hate it).

To be honest, I don't blame you if you hate the han and China these days since I now know that there is some truth (much truth even) to the struggles that uighurs face. If you feel an independent country is what you're after, I won't stop you from feeling that way.

Yaglakar
05-25-2018, 08:00 PM
They're a terrorist organization. They threaten the lives of chinese citizens of all ethnic backgrounds.

This was a rhetorical question. Their power and influence is blown out of proportions. They comprise max few hundred men. But your mind has been poisoned by Chinese state propaganda, so you fail to see that few hundred men out of 11 million pose no threat whatsoever.


Well, apparently the descendents of the original Uyghur Khaganate are called yugur now. Actually I learned that from Mingle. It was interesting to me that modern day uighurs are like rohingyas today and something I didn't know about this. I did hear that some of today's uighurs settled in today's Xinjiang as their ancestors tried to flee purges and persecutions from other turkic and mongolic groups. When the Han Dynasty established the region as Xiyu, they noted that the 'native' inhabitants were the yuezhi, who were being attacked by the xiongnu in the northeast. This site was a later battleground between the Han Dynasty and xiongnu. All this predates the Uyghur Khaganate to my knowledge.

Mingle is not a historian or an authority on the matter. Term Uighur did not refer to a particular ethnic group. They were subgrouping of Toquz Oghuz which they in turn led. It was large political alliance of various Oghuz peoples of Mongolia and northern Xinjiang. Numerous modern ethnicities are partly descended from old Uighurs including Tuvans, Yugurs and modern Uyghurs. Partial ancestors of Yugurs established Gansu Kingdom, and partial ancestors Uyghurs established Qocho kingdom. Neither Tuvans, nor Uyghurs or Yugurs constitute and same people of Uighur Khaganate. Gansu kingdom was conquered by Tibeto-Burmese speaking Tanguts and hence assimilated in 11th century. When Qocho Uighurs allied with Genghis Khan, they purged/cleansed Gansu of Tanguts in revenge to what happened to Gansu Kingdom a hundred years earlier and many Mongols settled there, the same way Mongols settled in Xinjiang but in a somewhat less forceful manner. Today, Yugurs don't possess a written language and they just as well lost the old Uighur script, though retained aspects of language. To me it seems bizarre and strange, because medieval Buddhist Uighurs are primarily associated with literacy, documentation, and administrative capabilities. According to scholars at least 1/3 of the population was literate which likely constituted highest literacy rate in the world. But these Buddhist Uighurs are primarily associated with Qocho kingdom who were later Islamicized during Chagataid Khans and became part of the modern Uyghur ethnicity. Nevertheless, I consider Yugurs our brothers.

You seem in kind of cognitive dissonance though not in line with the official PRC historical narrative. "Han China was in Xinjiang before the Uyghurs, and Uyghurs are migrants from Mongolia." If this is not true, than Uyghurs are simply natives of the land who were simply Turkified, which is in fact partly true. The thinking held by majority of Chinese is not in line with historical facts. Chinese control beyond the Gansu corridor was "nominal", Chinese dynasties did not directly administer those areas. Indo-Europeans were there much earlier than any Chinese dynasty, and this local indo-European blood runs through our veins, the same way Chinese blood is in us from the times of Han China. Do you understand that those Chinese settlers who lived in places like Gaochang, mixed with Sogdians, old Uighurs, became medieval Uyghurs and spoke Uyghur and identified so?


The difference is that those minorities do not hold any ancestral heritage to those lands and are mostly recent immigrants. The minorities in Xinjiang (uighurs, kazaks, tajiks, hui, han, mongols, manchus, xibe, tatar, daur) all had ancestors who either controlled/formed the majority in the region at some period of time. A more comparable analogy would be the descendants of swabians, visigoths, franks and vandals all natives to Germany. BTW, this is the map of the Eastern Han Dynasty. As you can see, it overlapped with the xiongnu territory

Again with your folk history. All of aforementioned peoples except Pamiri Tajiks are recent migrants either escaping purges of Russian Empire/Soviet Union (Tatars, Kazakhs) or came with Qing dynasty following Dzungar genocide. You are not being reasonable connecting modern Han who migrated from central China with Han dynasty 2000 years ago. They are not connected or descended from Han dynasty settlers. Can Mongols lay claim to Eurasia because they conquered and administered these vast territories? Those Chinese settlers of ancient world are not connected to proper Han Chinese from the mainland. They mixed with old Uighurs and Sogdians forming a new ethnicity, state linked identity aka medieval Idiqut/Qocho/Gaochang Uighurs.


You can disregard some of my more condescending posts. In hindsight, it was quite moronic of me. Now I'm not challenging your right to call yourselves native to Xinjiang or East Turkestan (if that is how you feel about the region). I just don't like how all uighurs are labeled under the ETIM label according to most foreign media I read. Somehow all uighurs are ETIM members/terrorists (sympathizers) according to the media yet my friends from Xinjiang tell me that in reality most uighurs are peaceful people and have a very positive opinion of them (they're han). To be honest, I've met a few now and they're nothing like the knife wielding thug stereotypes that I've now commonly come across on the chinese internet (yeah sucks, really come to hate it). To be honest, I don't blame you if you hate the han and China these days since I now know that there is some truth (much truth even) to the struggles that uighurs face. If you feel an independent country is what you're after, I won't stop you from feeling that way.

East Turkistan is an artificial term coined by Russian turcologist Bartold, if I recall. Actually I prefer term Xinjiang rather than East Turkistan. Northern Xinjiang was historically refered to as Qocho, Id or Uighuristan and southern Xinjiang as Kashgar or Moghulistan. Why would I hate Han Chinese. Our histories are closely interlinked through trade and cultural interactions. Uyghur culture from music to state traditions is much more East Asian (Chinese) shifted than any of Turkic groups. The meritocratic principles of Qocho Uighurs were likely adopted from Chinese, Uighurs even modified their script (vertical alignment) so it looks more prestigious, but neither Uyghurs nor Tibetans are Chinese in the end.

Taiji
05-30-2018, 04:34 PM
This was a rhetorical question. Their power and influence is blown out of proportions. They comprise max few hundred men. But your mind has been poisoned by Chinese state propaganda, so you fail to see that few hundred men out of 11 million pose no threat whatsoever. You have a good point and I was being ridiculous. Yes, I know that the ETIM doesn't represent uighurs in any way and it was quite silly of me to bring them up. In the end, uighurs aren't so different from any other ethnic group.


Mingle is not a historian or an authority on the matter. Term Uighur did not refer to a particular ethnic group. They were subgrouping of Toquz Oghuz which they in turn led. It was large political alliance of various Oghuz peoples of Mongolia and northern Xinjiang. Numerous modern ethnicities are partly descended from old Uighurs including Tuvans, Yugurs and modern Uyghurs. Partial ancestors of Yugurs established Gansu Kingdom, and partial ancestors Uyghurs established Qocho kingdom. Neither Tuvans, nor Uyghurs or Yugurs constitute and same people of Uighur Khaganate. Gansu kingdom was conquered by Tibeto-Burmese speaking Tanguts and hence assimilated in 11th century. When Qocho Uighurs allied with Genghis Khan, they purged/cleansed Gansu of Tanguts in revenge to what happened to Gansu Kingdom a hundred years earlier and many Mongols settled there, the same way Mongols settled in Xinjiang but in a somewhat less forceful manner. Today, Yugurs don't possess a written language and they just as well lost the old Uighur script, though retained aspects of language. To me it seems bizarre and strange, because medieval Buddhist Uighurs are primarily associated with literacy, documentation, and administrative capabilities. According to scholars at least 1/3 of the population was literate which likely constituted highest literacy rate in the world. But these Buddhist Uighurs are primarily associated with Qocho kingdom who were later Islamicized during Chagataid Khans and became part of the modern Uyghur ethnicity. Nevertheless, I consider Yugurs our brothers.

You seem in kind of cognitive dissonance though not in line with the official PRC historical narrative. "Han China was in Xinjiang before the Uyghurs, and Uyghurs are migrants from Mongolia." If this is not true, than Uyghurs are simply natives of the land who were simply Turkified, which is in fact partly true. The thinking held by majority of Chinese is not in line with historical facts. Chinese control beyond the Gansu corridor was "nominal", Chinese dynasties did not directly administer those areas. Indo-Europeans were there much earlier than any Chinese dynasty, and this local indo-European blood runs through our veins, the same way Chinese blood is in us from the times of Han China. Do you understand that those Chinese settlers who lived in places like Gaochang, mixed with Sogdians, old Uighurs, became medieval Uyghurs and spoke Uyghur and identified so?

Again with your folk history. All of aforementioned peoples except Pamiri Tajiks are recent migrants either escaping purges of Russian Empire/Soviet Union (Tatars, Kazakhs) or came with Qing dynasty following Dzungar genocide. You are not being reasonable connecting modern Han who migrated from central China with Han dynasty 2000 years ago. They are not connected or descended from Han dynasty settlers. Can Mongols lay claim to Eurasia because they conquered and administered these vast territories? Those Chinese settlers of ancient world are not connected to proper Han Chinese from the mainland. They mixed with old Uighurs and Sogdians forming a new ethnicity, state linked identity aka medieval Idiqut/Qocho/Gaochang Uighurs.Thanks. This was actually very informative and makes a lot of sense, if we look at the present situation in each of these provinces/areas (it matches with the history you have just explained).


East Turkistan is an artificial term coined by Russian turcologist Bartold, if I recall. Actually I prefer term Xinjiang rather than East Turkistan. Northern Xinjiang was historically refered to as Qocho, Id or Uighuristan and southern Xinjiang as Kashgar or Moghulistan. Why would I hate Han Chinese. Our histories are closely interlinked through trade and cultural interactions. Uyghur culture from music to state traditions is much more East Asian (Chinese) shifted than any of Turkic groups. You're more reasonable than most people. I believe we shared a lot of culture and contributions flowed both ways. Some of our most famous chinese classical instruments such as the pipa, xiqin, erhu came from Central Asia, and others like the yangqin came from Persia.


neither Uyghurs nor Tibetans are Chinese in the end.You're right. In the end, uighur and tibetan identities are to be decided by uighurs/tibetans and I should respect that. However, the door will always be opened to you since all minorities have some heritage in what is now China. Our histories are intertwined, there were good times and bad times. Unfortunately, in recent times, it has not been for the best.

I really don't know what to say. For the longest time ever, this is the one moment I've always been waiting for. I've never been silenced, and never been schooled till now. I never knew it was such an enlightening experience. Thank you for that.

zhaoyun
05-31-2018, 04:04 PM
This was a rhetorical question. Their power and influence is blown out of proportions. They comprise max few hundred men. But your mind has been poisoned by Chinese state propaganda, so you fail to see that few hundred men out of 11 million pose no threat whatsoever.



Mingle is not a historian or an authority on the matter. Term Uighur did not refer to a particular ethnic group. They were subgrouping of Toquz Oghuz which they in turn led. It was large political alliance of various Oghuz peoples of Mongolia and northern Xinjiang. Numerous modern ethnicities are partly descended from old Uighurs including Tuvans, Yugurs and modern Uyghurs. Partial ancestors of Yugurs established Gansu Kingdom, and partial ancestors Uyghurs established Qocho kingdom. Neither Tuvans, nor Uyghurs or Yugurs constitute and same people of Uighur Khaganate. Gansu kingdom was conquered by Tibeto-Burmese speaking Tanguts and hence assimilated in 11th century. When Qocho Uighurs allied with Genghis Khan, they purged/cleansed Gansu of Tanguts in revenge to what happened to Gansu Kingdom a hundred years earlier and many Mongols settled there, the same way Mongols settled in Xinjiang but in a somewhat less forceful manner. Today, Yugurs don't possess a written language and they just as well lost the old Uighur script, though retained aspects of language. To me it seems bizarre and strange, because medieval Buddhist Uighurs are primarily associated with literacy, documentation, and administrative capabilities. According to scholars at least 1/3 of the population was literate which likely constituted highest literacy rate in the world. But these Buddhist Uighurs are primarily associated with Qocho kingdom who were later Islamicized during Chagataid Khans and became part of the modern Uyghur ethnicity. Nevertheless, I consider Yugurs our brothers.

You seem in kind of cognitive dissonance though not in line with the official PRC historical narrative. "Han China was in Xinjiang before the Uyghurs, and Uyghurs are migrants from Mongolia." If this is not true, than Uyghurs are simply natives of the land who were simply Turkified, which is in fact partly true. The thinking held by majority of Chinese is not in line with historical facts. Chinese control beyond the Gansu corridor was "nominal", Chinese dynasties did not directly administer those areas. Indo-Europeans were there much earlier than any Chinese dynasty, and this local indo-European blood runs through our veins, the same way Chinese blood is in us from the times of Han China. Do you understand that those Chinese settlers who lived in places like Gaochang, mixed with Sogdians, old Uighurs, became medieval Uyghurs and spoke Uyghur and identified so?



Again with your folk history. All of aforementioned peoples except Pamiri Tajiks are recent migrants either escaping purges of Russian Empire/Soviet Union (Tatars, Kazakhs) or came with Qing dynasty following Dzungar genocide. You are not being reasonable connecting modern Han who migrated from central China with Han dynasty 2000 years ago. They are not connected or descended from Han dynasty settlers. Can Mongols lay claim to Eurasia because they conquered and administered these vast territories? Those Chinese settlers of ancient world are not connected to proper Han Chinese from the mainland. They mixed with old Uighurs and Sogdians forming a new ethnicity, state linked identity aka medieval Idiqut/Qocho/Gaochang Uighurs.



East Turkistan is an artificial term coined by Russian turcologist Bartold, if I recall. Actually I prefer term Xinjiang rather than East Turkistan. Northern Xinjiang was historically refered to as Qocho, Id or Uighuristan and southern Xinjiang as Kashgar or Moghulistan. Why would I hate Han Chinese. Our histories are closely interlinked through trade and cultural interactions. Uyghur culture from music to state traditions is much more East Asian (Chinese) shifted than any of Turkic groups. The meritocratic principles of Qocho Uighurs were likely adopted from Chinese, Uighurs even modified their script (vertical alignment) so it looks more prestigious, but neither Uyghurs nor Tibetans are Chinese in the end.

Your information is basically correct. I have traveled to Xinjiang before, a long time ago, before things got really bad. When I read news of what is happening there now, it makes me feel depressed. Most Uighurs are good people, even though some of the terrorists did commit evil, however, considering how hard the Chinese govt. is clamping down now will only create blowback in the future.

You are right that the Uighurs and Tibetans are not Chinese. But the Chinese government is intent on making them Chinese.

Xinjiang is also a very vast region, it was not controlled by a single one group in its entirety for much of its history. The Uighurs are native to the region, but the Han Chinese have also been there since over two thousand years ago. In the past, the Hans and the native Indo European peoples mixed freely as they were more united in both culture and a Buddhist religion. But now there are steep ethnic and religious divisions.

Taiji
06-03-2018, 08:06 PM
I thought this was very moving. It's about a teacher in Tibet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQv0s0qIDk

What this teacher said about tibetan parents really brings to light the question of tibetan IQ. No, I don't think they have low IQs actually (certainly not less than filipinos, indians and indonesians). That's because tibetans didn't have a culture of learning and many never finished/went to school, unlike indians, indos and filipinos who still happen to have rather low IQs despite full opportunities given to them. The fact that many of her students did not want to leave classes shows a thirst for knowledge and curiosity present in all high IQ populations.

What I found amazing is that her past life is very similar to how yi ethnic currently live in China. The yi are considered the poorest ethnic minority in all of China and in some cases have to climb cliffs and make perilous journeys just to go to school. But change happened with tibetans and they're starting to catch up with the eastern states and live better than ever. My one wish is for all chinese, han and minorities alike to live up to their dreams and no longer have to worry about an empty stomach.

Alvorada Potente
06-03-2018, 08:08 PM
they look more central asian

Taiji
06-08-2018, 03:58 PM
Another good video about life for ethnic tibetans. This one is about tibetans in Gansu. Very good uploader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey9l74yj92Q&t=144s

Daily life of tibetan students. Of course, you'll never hear such a report from CNN and BBC. All they do is report negative/fake news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQE-xpQsoZ4

But it doesn't matter in the end. The important thing is tibetans have a much better tomorrow than their yesterdays and todays and from what I can see, it's slowly getting there.